C2100 UZi compatible Oly Flash other than FL20&40

[Adam-T]

True ... Does any one remember how many GN its the C2100 flash ?

No but thesedays, they seem to measure flash at Auto ISO (which is cheating big time) whereas they didn't back then - all I know is that you can run the UZI at full zoom at base ISO and get good candids across a room with the flash..

You chose well with the FL40 , the FL36 drove me NUTS with the horribly slow recycle time .. the FL50 is fast and I remember the FL40 to be pretty quick also .. the FL50 is only necessary if you need the flash to be usable with Oly/Pan DSLRs or the EP1 or Panny FZ50 which the FL40 doesn't work with (the E1 is the only Oly DSLR the FL40 TTLs with)

Funny enough , the Chinese even today , they do not even think of making an replication of it .

I was hoping they did or at least had done .

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[Michael Meissner]

You are right, Michael, no TTL with the FL-CB04.

Good to have you here on the forum, I think you know more about flash and UZI than most of us!

Its funny, I spent most of 2002-2005 becoming a flash expert, and when I started shooting more with the E-1 and later DSLRs, I try to avoid shooting with flash as much as possible.

It all started with this picture taken with my first digital camera (Olympus D-510Z), and my annoyance that I was seeing green eyed monster cats (the cat's eyes are brown in real life) and red-eye in humans.



So when I felt constrained by the D-510Z, having an external flash was a requirement in my next camera (along with a higher zoom and being able to set controls manually led me to the C-2100UZ).

 

[0lyboy]

The Olympus Japanese site , reports flash usability of the C2100 from 30cm to 4 meters ..

The FL40 can do 14 meters max .. at 40GN ISO 100

With the use of very simplify maths ... the 20 GN ones , approximately can do half distance as 7m,
and that makes the C2100 to measure about 10 - 12 GN flash power.

About my FL-40 , I am extremely happy , it comes shiny as new,

and haves also and the Add on crystal clear plastic, that works for wide shooting.

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[René Schuster]

...and when I started shooting more with the E-1 and later DSLRs, I try to avoid shooting with flash as much as possible.

exactly my approach, too, I try to avoid flash whenever possible. Out of 1000 shots maybe 5 or 10 are done using flash.

It all started with this picture taken with my first digital camera (Olympus D-510Z), and my annoyance that I was seeing green eyed monster cats (the cat's eyes are brown in real life) and red-eye in humans.

Hmm, green eyed flash cats, then you need some younger ones, lol, their eyes will be a nice blue instead of green! An UZI flash shot from 2 or 3 years ago:



René

 

[Adam-T]

and that makes the C2100 to measure about 10 - 12 GN flash power.

that's pretty superb for a Digicam - about the same as a DSLR .. the Fuji S100 & S200 have about 3 or 4GN - even the FZ50 etc are only about 6

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[0lyboy]

Animals could be another story , their eye contraction are deferent from the human eye.

One of the things that i feel proud about the C2100 ,
are that in humans , its almost impossible to cause the Red eye effect.
The chances to happen are about 2 to 1000 pictures count.

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[0lyboy]

My flash unit comes with out leather bag !!

Well it was not pictured from the eBay seller , and thought that he did that , because he considered as most important, to show just the flash unit.

The long story in sort .... I found that the only equally sized flash unit with the FL-40, its the old Olympus G40 .

I believe that God loves me .... there was a eBay shop that had for sale,
an empty G40 carton box and the leather bag ..

I go it for 22$ shipped , but its a crazy story all together, at list now i got a top shape FL-40 with a truly new leather case .. :-D

Some times in order to archive the same goal that other people do , I end up to get in double trouble, until to succeed .
This one , is one of them.





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[Michael Meissner]

My flash unit comes with out leather bag !!

Well it was not pictured from the eBay seller , and thought that he did that , because he considered as most important, to show just the flash unit.

The long story in sort .... I found that the only equally sized flash unit with the FL-40, its the old Olympus G40 .

I believe that God loves me .... there was a eBay shop that had for sale,
an empty G40 carton box and the leather bag ..

I go it for 22$ shipped , but its a crazy story all together, at list now i got a top shape FL-40 with a truly new leather case .. :-D

Some times in order to archive the same goal that other people do , I end up to get in double trouble, until to succeed .
This one , is one of them.

I was going to mention in the other thread, I found the leather -like bags that came with the FL-36 nd FL-50 to be pretty useless. I just tend to put the flash in my camera bag. If the bags had straps that you could attach the bag to a belt or your camera strap, it would have been better. Also, I recall the bag didn't close tightly unless you knotted the cord. When I do want to carry the flash in a bag, I go for a Lowepro padded bag that is big enough to hold the flash.

Of course, since I've dropped my FL-50 flash twice over the years and had them stop working, and burned out a Promaster flash from overuse, I may not be the person to talk about best practice in using flashes.

In case you are wondering, the first time I dropped my FL-50, I sent it in for repairs. I keep meaning to send it in again, but other things have been more important for the money.

 

[Michael Meissner]

Animals could be another story , their eye contraction are deferent from the human eye.

One of the things that i feel proud about the C2100 ,
are that in humans , its almost impossible to cause the Red eye effect.
The chances to happen are about 2 to 1000 pictures count.

I dunno, I believe I've seen red-eye in the UZI (certainly, I've seen pet green-eye) the few times I used the pop-up flash rather than the external flash. Of course, I've also seen red-eye when using the external flash to shoot people at a long distance (for instance 15m at my daughter's high shool graduation, where you would have to move the flash 1-2 meters away from the camera to avoid the red-eye effect). It depends on the distance from the flash to the subject, how far the flash is from the camera lens, the person involved, and the angle that people are looking at the camera.

 

[0lyboy]

About bags .. I am loaded and soon with even holster type ones.

I use to keep things in bags too , but the flash would stay at the wooden safe home, most of the time , as 90% of it usage would be in door .
In the leather case, and boxed on the carton.

My Olympus flash bracket , comes too with out bag or box , but i will find the solution as soon I got it.

Here is my cameras nest .. Picture count 7947 with 53 more i get the round 8000.



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[0lyboy]

What batteries are you using ?

With all those flashes at your hands , you should have a secret to share about batteries.

You chose well with the FL40 , the FL36 drove me NUTS with the horribly slow recycle time .. the FL50 is fast and I remember the FL40 to be pretty quick also ..

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[Adam-T]

What batteries are you using ?

I've always used Hahnel 2350ma AAs in flashes, Had them since the original UZI days amd they still keep on going - as for the UZI itself, it lives on Eneloops thesedays becausethey stay charged without use for long periods which nornal NiMhs don't and as you probably know, it's best to keep a set of batteries in the UZI even if its Duracells to keep the little clock battery alive (it's buried deep in the camera and I don't like the idea of having to change it) ..

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[0lyboy]

I got my new batteries , I got a set of Sanyo Eneloop 2000mA , just for 9 EUR.

And as main battery for the FL-40 I got ANSMANN digital 2850mA , written warranty 2 years ( the only brand that does that, world wide) , made in Germany.
And 16.40 EUR .

In few days I will have a personal opinion about the Eneloop.

About the ANSMANN digital , Its a product that many Greek friends had test and suggest , as the most rock solid solution for demanding tasks.

Soon I will find it out too.

What batteries are you using ?

I've always used Hahnel 2350ma AAs in flashes, Had them since the original UZI days amd they still keep on going - as for the UZI itself, it lives on Eneloops thesedays becausethey stay charged without use for long periods which nornal NiMhs don't and as you probably know, it's best to keep a set of batteries in the UZI even if its Duracells to keep the little clock battery alive (it's buried deep in the camera and I don't like the idea of having to change it) ..

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[wilson]

I got my new batteries , I got a set of Sanyo Eneloop 2000mA , just for 9 EUR.

And as main battery for the FL-40 I got ANSMANN digital 2850mA , written warranty 2 years ( the only brand that does that, world wide) , made in Germany.
And 16.40 EUR .

In few days I will have a personal opinion about the Eneloop.

About the ANSMANN digital , Its a product that many Greek friends had test and suggest , as the most rock solid solution for demanding tasks.

Soon I will find it out too.

The eneloops are considered the best low-self-discharge batteries available. They're very consistently manufactured (capacity very similar) and have the lowest self discharge rates of all of the different OEM lsd NiMH batteries. approx 15% per YEAR.

However, if you have freshly charged normal NiMH batteries, they'll last longer than the eneloops in the flash. However, after about two to three months of storage, the eneloops will have more capacity left... so if you seldomly use the flash, the eneloops will be better, but if you charge your batteries often, the ANSMANN's will be better.

Check the candlepower forum's electronics/battery forum for lots of details about all sorts of rechargeable batteries. http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/forumdisplay.php?f=9

 

[0lyboy]

Thanks Wilson for the link , I did found an specific thread about them.

http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/showthread.php?t=243651

Their testing results , proved that Ansmann 2850 AA hype.
its an true one .

I will benchmark my Ansmann too , with the FL-40 , by measuring the time between firings . ( Test function )

I will report my findings too.

The eneloops are considered the best low-self-discharge batteries available. They're very consistently manufactured (capacity very similar) and have the lowest self discharge rates of all of the different OEM lsd NiMH batteries. approx 15% per YEAR.

However, if you have freshly charged normal NiMH batteries, they'll last longer than the eneloops in the flash. However, after about two to three months of storage, the eneloops will have more capacity left... so if you seldomly use the flash, the eneloops will be better, but if you charge your batteries often, the ANSMANN's will be better.

Check the candlepower forum's electronics/battery forum for lots of details about all sorts of rechargeable batteries. http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/forumdisplay.php?f=9

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[Adam-T]

Keep the eneloops for the UZI, they hold their voltage far better than the ansmanns or any standard NiMh will so you'll actually get better life despite the lower capacity because the camera isn't shutting down when they're still 1/4 or 1/2 charged .. Yep - the Fash will be better with the Ansmanns as it doesn't care about the voltage unless it gets really low

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[0lyboy]

Yes , thats the plan or so .

I all ready got the ansmanns .. its on the charger , they got full , and now keeping them at trickle charging .

Out of the box had 0.84V, after 24 hours at trickle charge , they got up to 1.41V

I will have the Eneloops in a week or so , got them from Germany for 8 EUR .

Currently I have Kodak 2100mA - Eneloops are 2000mA , so I will have the chance to do an direct comparison .

Thanks for the tip .

PS : If Eneloops turn out top dogs , in comparison with the Kodak ones , the EZI will get them .
Looks more hungry than the UZI , pre-capture and stuff. ;-)

Keep the eneloops for the UZI, they hold their voltage far better than the ansmanns or any standard NiMh will so you'll actually get better life despite the lower capacity because the camera isn't shutting down when they're still 1/4 or 1/2 charged .. Yep - the Fash will be better with the Ansmanns as it doesn't care about the voltage unless it gets really low

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[dave gaines]

The FL-40 works better with the Camedia cameras like the C-8080 because the big bright IR focus assist light stays on until the camera focuses, unlike the FL-36&50 which emit thin red lines only briefly.

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[Adam-T]

PS : If Eneloops turn out top dogs , in comparison with the Kodak ones , the EZI will get them .
Looks more hungry than the UZI , pre-capture and stuff. ;-)

They're about the same for power frmo what I remember .. I can't see you using the EZI much unless you need 15 FPS once you compare its very digital looking images with the more photographic ones from the UZI anyway .. Interesting camera but more for a specific purpose than anything else to someone who also has an UZI as well IMO..

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[0lyboy]

The link works , but no page to it ..
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