Hello 2408WFP Bye Bye LP2475W

[The Developer]

After returning the HP LP2475W to amazon because of green (left) to pink (right) hue, I ordered a Dell 2408WFP to pair with my existing Dell 2405FPW.

2408WFP is a gorgeous monitor and has all I ever want. It calibrated extremely well. It has a wide gamut (102% NTSC).

The HP had a wide gamut (92% NTSC) too but I think the gamut covered the red side more and it produced a bit overly saturated red in non color managed applications and it was frankliy a bit painful for the eyes. I do not see that problem with the Dell.

Just to make sure I calibrated the dell properly with Spyder3, I used a separate trial software to measure the calibration and gamut and it fared extremely well. You have to really see the Dell cie gamut measurements with a regular non wide gamut monitor to see how much really is the difference, wow.

I calibrated to D65 Gamma 2.2 and 120 candelas / sq. meter luminance. and the delta e tracking is below 1. Photographs looks gorgeous, matches my prints from HP B9180 perfectly. Absolutely no color bias.

It has all the input you could ever ask for.

There is luminance shift and color shift of you are not watching head on. So, this is not a monitor you would use with a client sitting by your side. This is a monitor you would use for retouching etc. Limited viewing angle is not a problem with the Dell but a property of any S-PVA panel.

I recommend this monitor without any reservation. However if you need better viewing angle, look for an IPS panel.
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-thedeveloper

 

[bfu]

Hi Developer,

Could you share with me what is the trial software you use to measure the calibration and gamut of your monitor? I have a HP 2474 and ColorMunki, it is sucked that ColorMunki does not have calibration verification function.

 

[The Developer]

I used Spyder3 Elite for actual calibration. Spyder3 also supports verification of profile and delta E trackiing.

I used Coloreyes Display Pro (that supports Spyder3 colorimeter) trial for verification (and pre-calibration)

I also used basICColor display 4.1.11 trial version to generate the cie color gamut and reverification of calibration. basiccolor supports Spyder3 as well.

Hi Developer,

Could you share with me what is the trial software you use to measure the calibration and gamut of your monitor? I have a HP 2474 and ColorMunki, it is sucked that ColorMunki does not have calibration verification function.

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-thedeveloper

 

[bfu]

Developer,

Thank you very much for your info. I'll try to see if they support ColorMunki colormeter.

 

[rsplatpc]

I know every monitor is different but can you post your monitor settings post calibration, I'm trying to nail down my 2406WFP with a i1 right now and it's giving me a bit of trouble

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[The Developer]

Brightness: 47
Contrast: 50
Custom RGB
Red: 66
Green:63
Blue:61

I am using the HDMI input in Graphics mode.

Since the monitor is new, I plan to recalibrate every week until it stabilizes.

I know every monitor is different but can you post your monitor settings post calibration, I'm trying to nail down my 2406WFP with a i1 right now and it's giving me a bit of trouble

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http://www.flickr.com/rsplatpc

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-thedeveloper

 

[SantaFeBill]

The HP had a wide gamut (92% NTSC) too but I think the gamut covered the red side more and it produced a bit overly saturated red in non color managed applications and it was frankly a bit painful for the eyes. I do not see that problem with the Dell.

Do you see less over-saturated reds with the 2408, or are you finding that it does not in general display over-saturated colors in non color managed apps? If the latter, that is indeed great and unusual for a WG monitor.

My reason for asking: I'm very interested in the 2408, but had backed off after reading posts about problems with WG monitors and non color managed apps.
Thanks for your time.

 

[The Developer]

I do see less over saturated color. I do not use any non color managed app, however.

The HP had a wide gamut (92% NTSC) too but I think the gamut covered the red side more and it produced a bit overly saturated red in non color managed applications and it was frankly a bit painful for the eyes. I do not see that problem with the Dell.

Do you see less over-saturated reds with the 2408, or are you finding that it does not in general display over-saturated colors in non color managed apps? If the latter, that is indeed great and unusual for a WG monitor.

My reason for asking: I'm very interested in the 2408, but had backed off after reading posts about problems with WG monitors and non color managed apps.
Thanks for your time.

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-thedeveloper

 

[The Developer]

I wanted to say I do not use many non color managed app.

I do see less over saturated color. I do not use any non color managed app, however.

The HP had a wide gamut (92% NTSC) too but I think the gamut covered the red side more and it produced a bit overly saturated red in non color managed applications and it was frankly a bit painful for the eyes. I do not see that problem with the Dell.

Do you see less over-saturated reds with the 2408, or are you finding that it does not in general display over-saturated colors in non color managed apps? If the latter, that is indeed great and unusual for a WG monitor.

My reason for asking: I'm very interested in the 2408, but had backed off after reading posts about problems with WG monitors and non color managed apps.
Thanks for your time.

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-thedeveloper

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-thedeveloper

 

[SantaFeBill]

I do see less over saturated color. I do not use any non color managed app, however.

The HP had a wide gamut (92% NTSC) too but I think the gamut covered the red side more and it produced a bit overly saturated red in non color managed applications and it was frankly a bit painful for the eyes. I do not see that problem with the Dell.

Do you see less over-saturated reds with the 2408, or are you finding that it does not in general display over-saturated colors in non color managed apps? If the latter, that is indeed great and unusual for a WG monitor.

My reason for asking: I'm very interested in the 2408, but had backed off after reading posts about problems with WG monitors and non color managed apps.
Thanks for your time.

Are you on a Windows system? if so, what about IE and the Desktop? And what happens when you view images here, which I assume are sRGB?

 

[dr1venuts]

Ever considered using Mozilla Firefox? It is color managed. With the correct settings that is... More on this topic can be found here:
https://developer.mozilla.org/En/ICC_color_correction_in_Firefox

 

[dr1venuts]

To get to this settings type "about:config" in the location bar (AKA address bar ) of your mozilla firefox browser.

 

[SantaFeBill]

Ever considered using Mozilla FireFox? It is color managed. With the correct settings that is... More on this topic can be found here:
https://developer.mozilla.org/En/ICC_color_correction_in_Firefox

Is this still true in 3.5? I seem to remember posts on DPR that said CM had been changed or removed in 3.5, so that it didn't work so well (or at all?)

 

[chevysales]

Hi Developer,

Could you share with me what is the trial software you use to measure the calibration and gamut of your monitor? I have a HP 2474 and ColorMunki, it is sucked that ColorMunki does not have calibration verification function.

really?

as the i1display2 has tracking function for calibration.

and with regards to the post stating the delta e is below 1 (not sure if it was from you or developer) i should surely hope so if you plan on using it for photo work... my 2475 tracks through i1 software version 3.62 at a delta e of .31 to .43 over past 6 months.
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D-Seven Double 0's paired with 24-70 f2.8 and 70-200vr f2.8 an excellent combination for me.

 

[chevysales]

Hi Developer,

Could you share with me what is the trial software you use to measure the calibration and gamut of your monitor? I have a HP 2474 and ColorMunki, it is sucked that ColorMunki does not have calibration verification function.

really?

as the i1display2 has tracking function for calibration.

and with regards to the post stating the delta e is below 1 (not sure if it was from you or developer) i should surely hope so if you plan on using it for photo work... my 2475 tracks through i1 software version 3.62 at a delta e of .31 to .43 over past 6 months.
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D-Seven Double 0's paired with 24-70 f2.8 and 70-200vr f2.8 an excellent combination for me.

the software i am referring to links off i1Match software version 3.62 and allows one to read all delta E's and plot on graph by day-week-month-year. also showing colors expected and actually displayed. showing the differences numbers wise so one can compare it is a nice piece of software. i wish like nec xrite would update for wide gamut displays.

that said it does need tuning from default of matrix to "LUT" and icc "V4" as opposed to "V2". after that once your profile is made and set you can compare plots to previous ones.

regarding the 2475's i guess it's hit or miss with some as mine has been outstanding while others have gotten the green pink thing going on which as i pointed out somewhere a while back has also been seen on some NEC's which users more knowledgable than I blamed on lack of TW polarizer?

who knows we have so much to deal with it's not funny i mean i got into photography as a hobby not a religon yet if one wants cutting edge one has computer choices,software choices, brands.... nikon versus canon, and color management, which encompasses such a wide range it self it gets old, with montor choices..... in the end many are just plain money choices that many won't admit too.

all the while we learn more and more about this "hobby".
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D-Seven Double 0's paired with 24-70 f2.8 and 70-200vr f2.8 an excellent combination for me.

 

[The Developer]

Yes, I am in windows. I use firefox. Firefox can be made color managed by using about:config.

Also, I do not use windows photo viewer and other things.

Things do look more saturated than my other monitor (2405FPW - which is hooked to the same PC). I use that for all my word processing internet etc. I use the 2408WFP only for photo editing.

I do see less over saturated color. I do not use any non color managed app, however.

The HP had a wide gamut (92% NTSC) too but I think the gamut covered the red side more and it produced a bit overly saturated red in non color managed applications and it was frankly a bit painful for the eyes. I do not see that problem with the Dell.

Do you see less over-saturated reds with the 2408, or are you finding that it does not in general display over-saturated colors in non color managed apps? If the latter, that is indeed great and unusual for a WG monitor.

My reason for asking: I'm very interested in the 2408, but had backed off after reading posts about problems with WG monitors and non color managed apps.
Thanks for your time.

Are you on a Windows system? if so, what about IE and the Desktop? And what happens when you view images here, which I assume are sRGB?

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-thedeveloper

 

[The Developer]

If you see overly saturated color as an issue in non color managed apps, you probably should get a standard gamut monitor. Saturated color pr not. Reading text (internet word processing etc.) is a bit of pain in an wide gamut monitor.

Ever considered using Mozilla FireFox? It is color managed. With the correct settings that is... More on this topic can be found here:
https://developer.mozilla.org/En/ICC_color_correction_in_Firefox

Is this still true in 3.5? I seem to remember posts on DPR that said CM had been changed or removed in 3.5, so that it didn't work so well (or at all?)

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-thedeveloper

 

[SantaFeBill]

Thanks for very useful info. Since I do need to do text, Internet, etc. and don't have the space or $$$ for dual monitors, looks as if I best stick to a non-WG one.

 

[dr1venuts]

According to webpage given in my previous post it cannot handle V4 icc profiles, but it will handle V2 profiles without problem. IVersion 3.5 has colour management set as a default for color managed pictures. It you want it fully color managed, you need to fiddle around with the configuration.

 

[chevysales]

Thanks for very useful info. Since I do need to do text, Internet, etc. and don't have the space or $$$ for dual monitors, looks as if I best stick to a non-WG one.

wide gamut at least the 2475 shoulld have no bearing on text...ie word files etc.

only complaint i have read our trhu web viewed pictures.... easily dealt with using a color aware browser.

me i make it the system default and have no problem viewing shots.

as i use viewNX fro my file browsing... as i see your tag on nikonians i would bet you also are using a nikon.

my question to the non wide gamut crowd is this: why limit yourself going thru the settings shooting adobe rgb editing in prophoto and then saving in whatever but all the while viewing via srg when wider gamuts are available?
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D-Seven Double 0's paired with 24-70 f2.8 and 70-200vr f2.8 an excellent combination for me.