I'm jumpin ship goodbye canon hello D3

[rwbaron]

Canon 20D with crappy kit lens, 50mm 1.4, 580 flash (the old one)
remote shutter release and even the Canon camera bag

So this is your current Canon kit and now you're going to buy a D3?
No offense but what you've got is not worth $1000 on E-Bay and now
you want to spend $5000 on one of the most sophisticated camera (plus
lenses) on the market? At least you won't have lost too much money
if you decide to switch back in a year.

Sorry but this doesn't pass the smell test.

Good luck!

Bob
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how does the realtively valueless gear I have now make me unable to
afford the D3? mines on order, do you wnat a picture when I get it?

It was not about what you're able to afford. It was about motive and purpose of your thread. May I ask what you plan to use the camera for? Are you a professional that makes a substantial part of your living from photography? Do you realize how large and heavy the D3 is and what that weight might be like to hold and carry for extended periods?

People can and will spend their money on whatever they want as that is their right but I find amusing all the debate and hand-wringing on these forums over expensive and exotic cameras to shoot pictures of their kids, cats and dogs. If that's your perogative so be it and knock yourself out but even a D300 or 40D are overkill for the vast majority of amateurs but then who am I to tell you what to spend your money on. I don't know what you shoot or your skill level but If you're an amateur wouldn't you rather have a great mid-range camera with better glass? I think it would be a more useful photographic tool.

Enjoy your D3 but I hope you're willing to wait for quite a while because if you don't have pro credentials and were not early on any lists you may be without a camera for quite a while.

Good luck!

Bob
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[rwbaron]

I think you're finding people here who can't afford the D3 and are
looking for reasons to tell you not to get it. You know what you're
getting into. Good luck learning and enjoy your new camera!

It has nothing to do with what someone can afford but everything to do with purpose and function.

Bob

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[akula34]

Who are you to tell someone what their purpose is? Are you kidding? Maybe he's taking snapshots of his family. Who cares... it's his camera. Let him be.

I think you're finding people here who can't afford the D3 and are
looking for reasons to tell you not to get it. You know what you're
getting into. Good luck learning and enjoy your new camera!

It has nothing to do with what someone can afford but everything to
do with purpose and function.

Bob

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[Newguy703]

how does the realtively valueless gear I have now make me unable to
afford the D3? mines on order, do you wnat a picture when I get it?

It was not about what you're able to afford. It was about motive and
purpose of your thread. May I ask what you plan to use the camera
for? Are you a professional that makes a substantial part of your
living from photography? Do you realize how large and heavy the D3
is and what that weight might be like to hold and carry for extended
periods?

People can and will spend their money on whatever they want as that
is their right but I find amusing all the debate and hand-wringing on
these forums over expensive and exotic cameras to shoot pictures of
their kids, cats and dogs. If that's your perogative so be it and
knock yourself out but even a D300 or 40D are overkill for the vast
majority of amateurs but then who am I to tell you what to spend your
money on. I don't know what you shoot or your skill level but If
you're an amateur wouldn't you rather have a great mid-range camera
with better glass? I think it would be a more useful photographic
tool.

Enjoy your D3 but I hope you're willing to wait for quite a while
because if you don't have pro credentials and were not early on any
lists you may be without a camera for quite a while.

Good luck!

Bob

youre right I dont make my living with my camera, although I believe I could, I do use it for professional reasons, if I can buy the glass I want with the camera why shouldnt I, as for large and heavy, I carry a Zero Haliburton briefcase, my favorite gun is my Desert Eagle, both heavy, both exotic and both are absolutely overkill, I own a semi exotic car, I've driven it up to 149 mph, that doesnt make me a race driver, just like this camera wont get me a job with Playboy...well maybe met art.....hahahaha but seriously, I'm sorry to intrude into the ""professionals" lair, but this is just a tool, a .38 special can shoot as well as my eagle, but I can tell you I'm a much better shot when I use a better gun, and I hope this camera will help me do the same, use the best tool for the job, and right now this is it

 

[rwbaron]

youre right I dont make my living with my camera, although I believe
I could, I do use it for professional reasons, if I can buy the glass
I want with the camera why shouldnt I, as for large and heavy, I
carry a Zero Haliburton briefcase, my favorite gun is my Desert
Eagle, both heavy, both exotic and both are absolutely overkill, I
own a semi exotic car, I've driven it up to 149 mph, that doesnt make
me a race driver, just like this camera wont get me a job with
Playboy...well maybe met art.....hahahaha but seriously, I'm sorry to
intrude into the ""professionals" lair, but this is just a tool, a
.38 special can shoot as well as my eagle, but I can tell you I'm a
much better shot when I use a better gun, and I hope this camera will
help me do the same, use the best tool for the job, and right now
this is it

BTW I'm no pro either but thanks for the reply and explanation. It helps put this thread and your motives into perspective.

Enjoy your new toy!

Bob

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[rwbaron]

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[spt_gb]

akula34 wrote:
...

Don't you think that you should let him make his own decision on what
camera he wants to buy? I think so. Lots of people buy a Porsche or
a Ferrari and never drive over 100mph. Did they waste their money?
Not if they're happy with their decision. Here's a scenario:

In what way was I stopping him? A fool and his money are soon parted. To use your own analogy, I was suggesting that he learn to drive first and invest in a good set of tyres. At that point he may have some slight entitlement to tell others what constitutes a good car and why his SUV is better than their two seater sports car.

As it is, and from his postings to date, he seem to treat the D3 as a badge of membership to the Nikon fanboys club and as an extension to his manhood, not as a tool for taking photographs. I find this at least as objectionable as him slagging of a D200 owner based on owning a 20D.

Anyway, as any fool knows, REAL men buy the Hastleblad H3D (its the biggest, highest resolution and most expensive)

 

[Torch]

Seems most sensible. A good time to jump and no major lens investment and if there were good lenses they can be sold so who cares.

A ship jump only confuses those who are not using Canon and did not follow the 1DMkIII issues.

I know people who learn through compact, bridge, 20D, then 5D and they are not pros or crows. So what? Strip of skin missing off somebody? Tooth loose? Arm broken? Head on backwards?

Once you own a DSLR they all have the same issues and purposes.
Nothing new except menu arrangement, button locations, and build quality.

Nikon is not selling to a select few based on expression of need or level of ability. Select selling is no way to stay in business.

The only people bothered by new potential D3 owners are former kings of stock photography and the can't affords.

Canon users (or former Nikon users returning) helps Nikon and forces Canon to realize the foolish mistake they made and must live with.

Now any Canon softness with any Canon lens is considered either a lens quality or body focus problem and nobody wants both or either. This is normal.

Looks like the D3 will be producing the best images of 2008. If Nikon stays clean then everything will be fine.
--
Torch

 

[Newguy703]

Don't you think that you should let him make his own decision on what
camera he wants to buy? I think so. Lots of people buy a Porsche or
a Ferrari and never drive over 100mph. Did they waste their money?
Not if they're happy with their decision. Here's a scenario:

In what way was I stopping him? A fool and his money are soon parted.
To use your own analogy, I was suggesting that he learn to drive
first and invest in a good set of tyres. At that point he may have
some slight entitlement to tell others what constitutes a good car
and why his SUV is better than their two seater sports car.
As it is, and from his postings to date, he seem to treat the D3 as a
badge of membership to the Nikon fanboys club and as an extension to
his manhood, not as a tool for taking photographs. I find this at
least as objectionable as him slagging of a D200 owner based on
owning a 20D.
Anyway, as any fool knows, REAL men buy the Hastleblad H3D (its the
biggest, highest resolution and most expensive)

I should get a Hasselbad huh, thats just being plain mean,

actaully my comments to my friend were based on his not keeping updated or researching cameras, we discussed image quality, we discussed cost and megapixels, the feeling most had at that time that Canons image quality was superior to that of Nikon. He had just called around from the back of a photo magazine one day and bought a Nikon, for no other reason thatn it was a nikon, To keep this into persprective my friend was a photojournalist in college, he had 2 Nikon F-bodies, a Hasselbad, did his own developing and was considering this as a career, I had an Olympus OM-1.... anyway I asked him why he hadnt done some reaearch as to whether or not the D200 was the best out there for him, he said "who cares about what other people say Nikon is the best" I said you cant make that statement without comparing cameras and researching this, he said "who cares, and what difference does it make, I'm just going to use this to take naked pictures of my grilfriend, does it really matter" so now you know the rest of the story

 

[Newguy703]

Yeah, Canon will NEVER release a camera as good as the D3. Get rid of
all of the Canon lenses, bodies, and acessories you've invested
several thousands of dollars in and spend several more thousands of
dollars buying the Nikon equiv. Makes perfect sense to me. (sarcasm)

I'm sure the D3 is a wonderful camera, but guess what? Camera bodies
come and go, there will be a better camera from Canon (and Nikon) in
the future. Meanwhile, both Canon and Nikon users have glass that was
made in the early 90s or much older that are wonderful. So why not
stick with your current system instead of abandoning everything just
because the D3 has 1 stop better ISO performance than the 1d mkIII.

so I should buy a Mk3 with the risk of autofocus issues...but I want FF, so should I buy the the 5D even though its about to be replaced and isnt built ilke a pro camera?....on some levely youre right, if its just cost and photos maybe a 5D would have been better, but it was more than that I wanted a pro body, I wanted full frame and the lens and glass investment I have is minimal for me there was no other choice

 

[ewelch]

You would have a point, if it was true. But the D3 doesn't just catch it, it blows the doors off Canon. I've shot with a 1D Mark III, and the D3 eats its lunch. Can't wait to see how the D3X (or whatever it's called) compares with the 1Ds Mark III. The 1Ds Mark III has a gorgeous viewfinder. Easy on the eyes. Better than the 1Ds Mark II I use at work by a long shot. (I wasn't allowed to shoot photos with the 1Ds Mark III).

Now, the question is, can Canon catch up next year? Answer, clearly no. They have their current cameras out now, and they won't be replaced for several years. And so Nikon is in the catbird seat for a couple years.

Jump ship? Either way, that would be nuts. They're both great lines. But if one is to move up, it's clearly a smart move to move up to Nikon for NIkon owners and the same for Canon owners to move up to Canon. But not cross-grade unless their whole systems, lenses and all, are well-worn and mostly needs replacing.

Unless they want to. :-D Tha't what's happening to me. Long time Leica user, Canon user, and now for my personal system I'm moving to Nikon, because I won't lose a lot of money in switching.

I have used a MkIII, I like it but I much prefer the 1DsMkII and
waiting for the 1DsMkIII to hit the stores... I dont like the 1.3
chips, I am a FF shooter for weddings and the odd commercial work I
do. The D3 is a nice camera yes, but its silly to jump ship because
Nikon FINALLY caught up to Canon, only to be trumped sometimes next
year...

Thats all I am saying...
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--
Eric

All cats are mortal.
Socrates died.
Therefore, Socrates was a cat.

 

[Chubly]

I find both systems t be very nice to use. I think people spend way to much time justifying it to themselves. Shoot what works for you.

well as a 20D owner who was thinking about sticking with Canon, I'm
jumping ship, heres why,
1)theres no way I'd buy a 1D mk3 after the autofocus fiasco and its
not fullframe
2) with the D3 it appears Nikon has "caught up" to Canon
3) D3 looks more robust and serious, than the "rounded brick Canon"
4) It appears Nikon was letting everyone and ther brother try the D3
pre-release, that spells confidence in a product
5) there are more threads on DPreview in the D3 section thatn the eos
1d section, this suggests to me more of the serious shooters are here
6) even Canon fans admit that Nikon has better ergronomics
7) tons of great news about the D3
8)Canon hasnt even announced a 5D succesor
9) for me Nikon has won this battle of camera wars, I hope the
competition continues
10) my 20D was great, for years Canon was no.1 for me but I gotta
w/what meets my needs best and for now its Nikon

 

[ScottMorgan]

Is this your thought process?

Canon had a problem with a complete redesign that took them several months to fix ... but finally fixed.

Nikon has a totally brand new design with a brand new sensor.

They should have no problems at all whatsoever.

I think I'll sell ever piece of gear I own and put all my faith in a brand new system that nobody has tested.

Nothing can go wrong.

 

[abcmorgan]

A: Canon is the best...

B: No, Nikon is the best...

A: No, Canon is the best ...

B: No, Nikon is the best...

A: I've just realised that I'm a a pathetic sycophant compensating for the lack of human contact in my life by lauding a particular camera manufacturer while at the same time deprecating a different camera manufacturer...

B: Wow, the very same idea seems to be permeating my previously infantile thought processes!

A: What should we do now?

B: Maybe switch off our computers and try going outside?

 

[Newguy703]

A: Canon is the best...

B: No, Nikon is the best...

A: No, Canon is the best ...

B: No, Nikon is the best...

A: I've just realised that I'm a a pathetic sycophant compensating
for the lack of human contact in my life by lauding a particular
camera manufacturer while at the same time deprecating a different
camera manufacturer...

B: Wow, the very same idea seems to be permeating my previously
infantile thought processes!

A: What should we do now?

B: Maybe switch off our computers and try going outside?

actually I'm not debating, Ive decided for myself which one I think is best for today, I'm not for or against any manufacturer, why are you so angry that some of us have opinions, I feel mine are based on good reasoning. you may disagree

 

[abcmorgan]

actually I'm not debating, Ive decided for myself which one I think
is best for today, I'm not for or against any manufacturer, why are
you so angry that some of us have opinions, I feel mine are based on
good reasoning. you may disagree

Comments not directed at you but at some earlier posts in thread.

 

[bogongbreeze]

I have to smile at this. I've been seeing threads on the Canon and Nikon forums, with all the new cams out recently, and the arguments raging over which brand is better (and occasionally over which camera is better, but mostly brands).

Most of the time people are slammed for choosing a particular camera if they post the view favouring one brand in the other brand's forum.

This time, someone is posting in the right forum that they are buying a new camera and still they get slammed for it.

You just can't win, can you.

Anyway, the D3 looks pretty darn good and I'm sure you'll just love using it

 

[Newguy703]

actually I'm not debating, Ive decided for myself which one I think
is best for today, I'm not for or against any manufacturer, why are
you so angry that some of us have opinions, I feel mine are based on
good reasoning. you may disagree

Comments not directed at you but at some earlier posts in thread.

sorry for misunderstanding peace bro, thanks

 

[pdog]

Is this your idea of sarcasm?

Is this your thought process?

Canon had a problem with a complete redesign that took them several
months to fix ... but finally fixed.

Who says it's fixed? I think you'll find the jury still out...

Nikon has a totally brand new design with a brand new sensor.

They should have no problems at all whatsoever.

I think I'll sell ever piece of gear I own and put all my faith in a
brand new system that nobody has tested.

The D3 HAS been tested. Pro photogs have been using them for months. And Nikon didn't have to qualify giving it to them with a warning about an AF problem, which STILL made it into the MKIII.

Nothing can go wrong.

You might want to adjust your sarcasm filter, it's a little off.

 

[Parry Johnson]

Some of us around here "jumped ship" many years ago...

I sold off (almost all of) my Canon FD film gear and bought several Nikon bodies.

In fact, at one time, I was so dedicated to Canon FD that I started the world's most popular Internet site to promote that series -- the Yahoogroups Canon FD page -- check it out for yourself and you'll find that there are still many dedicated users and collectors:

http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/CanonFD/

Well, to make a very long story short, both manufacturers make excellent equipment -- there's no denying that. Quality preferences can change for every user. For me, I was forced to buy new lenses when the Canon FD mount was no longer available -- I either had to switch to EOS or another company.

I chose Nikon for several reasons, the first simply because at the time Tamron Adaptall lenses allowed me to use both platforms. While migrating to Nikon, I continued to use the Tamron manual-focus lenses. Those lenses (of which I still have several) can still be used on my Nikon bodies. (Or Pentax, for that matter -- no other manufacturer had the forsight to keep their mount.)

So, all that said, everyone has their own reasons for keeping or switching companies -- BMW or Mecedes....? Who really cares? (I'll probably never own either -- I like Hondas and Hyundais!) They all run on gas, have steering wheels and the pedals are in the same spots -- learning to use another camera is just as easy as driving another car.

For the record, I love both Canons and Nikons, just not every camera, but I love taking pictures more, so whether I'm using my INCREDIBLY trusty "non-dark-side" Canon FT-Bn, my Nikon F2A, my D200 or my 1940's Busch Pressman 4x5 (um... with Nikkor lenses!) for my "best" photos, who the hell cares??? Every camera out there fills a purpose, and stirring the pot by trashing the companies that keep us happy doesn't solve anything.

I don't know about the rest of you, but I'm going to stop wasting precious time arguing about which camera is best and concentrate on having fun!

Phew! Enough said -- I'm off my soapbox now.
Parry