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Cool oh well at least I have found something interesting in this post.

Look I am sure it has been done before but I couldn't help myself.

Ian
 
I read the first reply with the idiotic comments about burned out highlights.

Any shot under those circumstances made using any camera on earth will have burned-out highlights because the camera is inside at a ^0th at f2 or somesuch and outside its a 250th at f11 (or somesuch) so would advise you to ignore such daft remarks (or somesuch!)
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narayana
 
narayana said:
I read the first reply with the idiotic comments about burned out
highlights.
Any shot under those circumstances made using any camera on earth
will have burned-out highlights because the camera is inside at a
^0th at f2 or somesuch and outside its a 250th at f11 (or somesuch)
so would advise you to ignore such daft remarks (or somesuch!)
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There's an awful lot of drinking going on in here lately - it must be Christmas......;)

The consensus appears to be that Pentax get their metering right, but many of the images are wrong - and that lesser camera makers get their metering wrong, but most of their images are (inexplicably) right.
 
Quietly Confident said:
To me, the disturbing aspect is the apparent infiltration of DPR by
Pentax. When any camera maker begins to participate in a forum -
either through the direct involvement of its senior management, or
less obviously by the use of selected Placemen, then debates become
unhealthily skewed.
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I really don't care to throw my stones in on this debate. I do, however, want to say that I completely disagree with what's quoted above. My personal take on the situation that you refer to is that I actually like seeing people like Ned and Steve here on the forum. To me, it's actually quite nice to be able to listen and talk personally (or as personally as a web forum can get anyhow) with some people who have intimate knowledge of what's going on with my camera maker. That, honestly, makes me feel a lot better about Pentax than it does about a big company that you never hear anything personal from such as Canon or Nikon.

I understand what you're saying about objectivity in reviews, etc etc etc. But if you really think about it, maybe Pentax should be 'padding' the review stats a little anyway... Lord knows that the big names do it! Just go to consumer reports and read their writeup on 10mp DSLR's... They reccomend the D80, then the xTi, then the A100... they make no mention of the K10D at all.... buuuuuuut, in their overview they throw in a completely shameless plug for the Nikon D40, saying that people who don't need the extra cropping space should wait for the D40..... Now, tell me that CR isn't just a tiny little bit bias there... telling consumers to buy a camera that isn't even available yet and not even mentioning cameras that are available (the K10D) (this report was released in November). Now, I'm not 'bashing' Consumer Reports here, but rather I'm trying to show you that the playing field is already not fair... it's not a fair fight and it hasn't been for a while now. So, to expect Pentax to step into this market and to keep the gloves above the waist themselves is asking them to commit economic suicide.

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Matt Paden
http://mpaden.zoto.com/

 
I have posted plenty of pictures. However, since I take pictures for myself and no one else I don't give a rats hoola-hoop swinger what other think of them.

I still think saying that I blew the background out because I didn't want it anyways is just a cop out for not being more creative and estitically pleasing with thy images. However, one has to shoot for what one likes. But, then one shouldn't get offended when one posts images and others have dislikes about them either.

Robert
 
Matthew Paden said:
Quietly Confident said:
To me, the disturbing aspect is the apparent infiltration of DPR by
Pentax. When any camera maker begins to participate in a forum -
either through the direct involvement of its senior management, or
less obviously by the use of selected Placemen, then debates become
unhealthily skewed.
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I really don't care to throw my stones in on this debate. I do,
however, want to say that I completely disagree with what's quoted
above. My personal take on the situation that you refer to is that
I actually like seeing people like Ned and Steve here on the forum.
To me, it's actually quite nice to be able to listen and talk
personally (or as personally as a web forum can get anyhow) with
some people who have intimate knowledge of what's going on with my
camera maker. That, honestly, makes me feel a lot better about
Pentax than it does about a big company that you never hear
anything personal from such as Canon or Nikon.
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I don't want to discuss individuals - I mentioned *isteve because he deliberately tand urned this thread into a brawl. Others have not, so that's it as far as I'm concerned.

On the general issue of any camera manufacturer participating in photography forums, it should never be forgotten that they are not there to be sociable, or even to be helpful, but to sell cameras.

They might well wish you to believe that they are your brand new best buddy, but what they actually want is your cash, and what they don't want are any complaints.

As far as they are concerned, their camera is wonderful. Period.

If you agree with them, then you're wonderful too. So most people do agree,, and everyone is wonderful and has a wonderful time, and the camera company makes wonderful profits that fund wonderful salaries.

The only people who don't share in all this wonderment are those who find their new camera has faults - faults which the others don't want to talk about because things would suddenly stop being so wonderful.

As Don & Phil Everley once warbled,

"I was lost (good & lost) in a Fool's Paradise"
 
See now I do agree with you there... obviously any representative from any company is going to promote his or her product. And I also see your point of view in being concerned about the affect that their shameless self-promotion has on a web forum. However, knowing all of that going into things, I don't have a problem with them being here and in fact I rather enjoy their input... not to say that I take everything that they say as gospel (that would be foolish) but it's nice to hear the manufacturer's point of view as well as that of the user...

My other point is that you (or anyone) shouldn't blame Pentax for doing this, as it's obviously a business practice that preceeds Pentax's enterance into this DSLR market (as I tried to show with my consumer reports illustration).
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Matt Paden
http://mpaden.zoto.com/

 
As the ostensible agents for pentax it does not matter who they cry off as being responsible they are responsible to their buying public.

And quite frankly they should be ashamed of themselves no excuses its cxxp service you cant even find out delivery dates quantities being supplied.

I having ordered a k10d 3 months ago do not know whether I will get it this year unbelievable incompetence.

I will probably give them till the 18th then if there is still this wall of silence I will be canceling my order and will probably wait for the Samsung in Jan.

This is my first experience of Pentax and will probably be my last.

Its not the delay, sxxt happens its the silence and treating me like a fool I dislike.
 
Well did you order it directly from Pentax or through a 3rd party distributor? If its through a distributor (bhphoto, ritz, etc) then I'd be calling up said distributor if I were you because who knows if (or when) they even put their order in with Pentax... you may have went straight to the end of the waiting list if your distributor waited too long in submitting an order. Start the witch hunt there.

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Matt Paden
http://mpaden.zoto.com/

 
Matthew Paden said:
Well did you order it directly from Pentax or through a 3rd party
distributor? If its through a distributor (bhphoto, ritz, etc)
then I'd be calling up said distributor if I were you because who
knows if (or when) they even put their order in with Pentax... you
may have went straight to the end of the waiting list if your
distributor waited too long in submitting an order. Start the
witch hunt there.
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He was referring to the shameful fact that the greatest nation ever to exist on this earth has been made to wait for the K10 like tramps at a soup kitchen, while Yak herders on the Mongolian steppes are even now snapping merrily away and wondering why there are so many blown highlights in their images.

Part of the problem is the fact that staff at Pentax UK appear to spend their entire working week soundly asleep - and even during the brief periods when they emerge from hibernation, are so disorientated by daylight and commerce in general that they don't seem to know what they are selling, why they are there, or even who they are!

It's fairly safe to say that the ruthlessly efficient Germans, who control distribution in Europe, have long ago given up on Pentax UK - and regard them as less important than the Pentax importer for Tonga.
 
Quietly Confident said:
He was referring to the shameful fact that the greatest nation ever
to exist on this earth has been made to wait for the K10 like
tramps at a soup kitchen, while Yak herders on the Mongolian
steppes are even now snapping merrily away and wondering why there
are so many blown highlights in their images.
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Thanks for making me spit coffee all over my keyboard - now I can look forward to banding complaints from Mongolian Yak herders ;)

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http://www.pixelstatic.com
 
it appears that the PRIME engine is truly impressive.

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Xmas imbibing is it. I'll have you know that I'm into the Jack tonight and enough is enough. Now, I may be from the land of magnolias and fatback, and where a man is a man and a woman is a woman and anything in between is a hairdresser; but I'll have you know ,George, that I've lost my train of thought here, and...ah...hell...post a few more photos will ya. Cheers. Don A.
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'Nothing could-be-finah-than-to-be-in-Carolina-in-the-morninnnnnn...'
 
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360 minutes from the prime meridian. (-5375min, 3.55sec) 1093' above sea level.

'The exposure meter is calibrated to some clearly defined standards and the user needs to adjust his working method and his subject matter to these values. It does not help to suppose all kinds of assumptions that do not exist.'
Erwin Puts
 
Quietly Confident said:
He was referring to the shameful fact that the greatest nation ever
to exist on this earth has been made to wait for the K10 like
tramps at a soup kitchen, while Yak herders on the Mongolian
steppes are even now snapping merrily away and wondering why there
are so many blown highlights in their images.
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... wait, I thought there were already shipments to the US?

No all joking aside, i failed to read his subject header, so I didnt realize that he was complaining about the UK shipments (i guess I assumed he was a US buyer). Knowing now that he's from UK, by all means, complain away.

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Matt Paden
http://mpaden.zoto.com/

 
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