Rainer, Quentin, Jono-it's all your fault

[Peter69322]

You've all been convincing me about the sigma 12-24. One came up used, mint, from a pro, with good samples, (at least on a D70 1.5 crop) for $475 and went for it. I'm looking forward to a different view of the world, and getting into tripod shooting and iso6 stuff. Wish me luck and expect questions! best....Peter
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[Quentin (UK)]

We have ways of forcing you to spend your money

Peter, you'll have fun with it I am sure. It sounds like yours is a good sample. Post a few samples when you have got the hang of it - 12mm on full-frame is quite something...

Quentin

You've all been convincing me about the sigma 12-24. One came up
used, mint, from a pro, with good samples, (at least on a D70 1.5
crop) for $475 and went for it. I'm looking forward to a different
view of the world, and getting into tripod shooting and iso6 stuff.
Wish me luck and expect questions! best....Peter
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Quentin
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[Jono Slack]

Hi Peter

Hope it works out okay . . . . I have Quentin and Rainer to blame . . . . and I think Quentin blames Rainer.

But I must say, I have no regrets - one initial pleasure was that I hadn't realised that it had HSM, and was expecting it to graunch around when focusing.

Good Luck - look forward to seeing some samples.

Kind Regards
Jono Slack

You've all been convincing me about the sigma 12-24. One came up
used, mint, from a pro, with good samples, (at least on a D70 1.5
crop) for $475 and went for it. I'm looking forward to a different
view of the world, and getting into tripod shooting and iso6 stuff.
Wish me luck and expect questions! best....Peter
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http://www.innerimager.com

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Jono Slack
http://www.slack.co.uk

 

[DennisS213286]

What about the Sigma 15-30? I ended up buying that one based on the opinions of others' about supposedly much worse distortion in the 12-24? Can any of you guys comment on how much difference in distortion there is between the two lenses?

Dennis

You've all been convincing me about the sigma 12-24. One came up
used, mint, from a pro, with good samples, (at least on a D70 1.5
crop) for $475 and went for it. I'm looking forward to a different
view of the world, and getting into tripod shooting and iso6 stuff.
Wish me luck and expect questions! best....Peter
--
http://www.innerimager.com

 

[rainer viertlboeck]

i dont remember the distortion. just had it few hours to test and i gave it back cause the f length was to close to the 12-24, sharpness seemed to be similar.

Dennis

You've all been convincing me about the sigma 12-24. One came up
used, mint, from a pro, with good samples, (at least on a D70 1.5
crop) for $475 and went for it. I'm looking forward to a different
view of the world, and getting into tripod shooting and iso6 stuff.
Wish me luck and expect questions! best....Peter
--
http://www.innerimager.com

--
rainer viertlböck
http://www.tangential.de

 

[DennisS213286]

thanks rainer..

Dennis

You've all been convincing me about the sigma 12-24. One came up
used, mint, from a pro, with good samples, (at least on a D70 1.5
crop) for $475 and went for it. I'm looking forward to a different
view of the world, and getting into tripod shooting and iso6 stuff.
Wish me luck and expect questions! best....Peter
--
http://www.innerimager.com

--
rainer viertlböck
http://www.tangential.de

 

[Quentin (UK)]

Distortion is low in the 12-24mm. There is more distortion in the 17-35mm Nikkor at the wide end. what little there is can be removed care of PT lens from epaperpress and the measurements for it done by Rainer.

Quentin

Dennis

You've all been convincing me about the sigma 12-24. One came up
used, mint, from a pro, with good samples, (at least on a D70 1.5
crop) for $475 and went for it. I'm looking forward to a different
view of the world, and getting into tripod shooting and iso6 stuff.
Wish me luck and expect questions! best....Peter
--
http://www.innerimager.com

--
rainer viertlböck
http://www.tangential.de

--
Quentin
http://www.barleigh.com

 

[rainer viertlboeck]

in fact its the lowest distortion on a wide angle lense which is not symmetric i ever saw.......
no idea how they are able to make such a fantastic correction...

Quentin

Dennis

You've all been convincing me about the sigma 12-24. One came up
used, mint, from a pro, with good samples, (at least on a D70 1.5
crop) for $475 and went for it. I'm looking forward to a different
view of the world, and getting into tripod shooting and iso6 stuff.
Wish me luck and expect questions! best....Peter
--
http://www.innerimager.com

--
rainer viertlböck
http://www.tangential.de

--
Quentin
http://www.barleigh.com

--
rainer viertlböck
http://www.tangential.de

 

[Nirto Karsten Fischer]

in fact its the lowest distortion on a wide angle lense which is
not symmetric i ever saw.......

I really try to resist Sigma stuff and hesitate to have a look at this lens but I think with comments like this I have to have a closer look at it in the near future. Usually I don't like the build quality of Sigma lenses and think of them as cheap alternatives to Nikon. Furthermore I'm using wide angle lenses not so often and have already several. But this constant raving about this lens makes me thinking ...

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Nirto Karsten Fischer

 

[Peter69322]

Nirto- I'll post examples when I get it, but they won't ad anything to what's been put forward by the gang I've named.. But if you want to add me to your list of "it's all your fault," be my guest! ;> )....Peter

in fact its the lowest distortion on a wide angle lense which is
not symmetric i ever saw.......

I really try to resist Sigma stuff and hesitate to have a look at
this lens but I think with comments like this I have to have a
closer look at it in the near future. Usually I don't like the
build quality of Sigma lenses and think of them as cheap
alternatives to Nikon. Furthermore I'm using wide angle lenses not
so often and have already several. But this constant raving about
this lens makes me thinking ...

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Nirto Karsten Fischer

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[Quentin (UK)]

Regarding Nirto's comment, I used to be of the same view about Sigma lenses, but in fact they now make some excellent optics. Their 180mm Macro is superb, for example, with rock solid build quality (I dropped mine in Jono's kitchen after a glass or three of wine, and it still works just fine ). The 70-200 HSM is excellent also, I used to own one. The build quality of the 12-24mm is very good, not quite Nikkor top range, but good nonetheless.

Quentin

in fact its the lowest distortion on a wide angle lense which is
not symmetric i ever saw.......

I really try to resist Sigma stuff and hesitate to have a look at
this lens but I think with comments like this I have to have a
closer look at it in the near future. Usually I don't like the
build quality of Sigma lenses and think of them as cheap
alternatives to Nikon. Furthermore I'm using wide angle lenses not
so often and have already several. But this constant raving about
this lens makes me thinking ...

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Nirto Karsten Fischer

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http://www.innerimager.com

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Quentin
http://www.barleigh.com

 

[Jono Slack]

HI Nirto

It seems to me to be pretty solid and well made - it also has HSM (which the 15-30 doesn't), which makes a lot of difference on the Kodak (no more slow and noisy focusing).

I've got no complaints.

kind regards
jono

in fact its the lowest distortion on a wide angle lense which is
not symmetric i ever saw.......

I really try to resist Sigma stuff and hesitate to have a look at
this lens but I think with comments like this I have to have a
closer look at it in the near future. Usually I don't like the
build quality of Sigma lenses and think of them as cheap
alternatives to Nikon. Furthermore I'm using wide angle lenses not
so often and have already several. But this constant raving about
this lens makes me thinking ...

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Nirto Karsten Fischer

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Jono Slack
http://www.slack.co.uk

 

[rainer viertlboeck]

hi nirto,
your opinion needs a revision......

the lense calculations of them are excellent if not the best of all i.m.o. - its not for nothing that long time leica cooperated with them and some of the leice lenses ( zoom 28/35 - 70, ) have exactly the same calculation than their sigma pendants. the difference was the quality check. leica used 1 out of 10 lenses and sigma- i suppose -all of them. therefore for a fraction of the price. here still is the problem with sigma. you cannt buy them in the internet cause you NEED to test them till you find a good one.

a.e. the 20/24/28 - 1,8 series is very good also. i dont know better lenses in this range. the 28 is nearly completely free from any distortion. the 20 shows distortion but its sharpness is i.m.o. comparable with the zeiss 21 lense. if you find a good one. with this lense the autofocus is the problem. very inaccurate mostly.

I've got no complaints.

kind regards
jono

in fact its the lowest distortion on a wide angle lense which is
not symmetric i ever saw.......

I really try to resist Sigma stuff and hesitate to have a look at
this lens but I think with comments like this I have to have a
closer look at it in the near future. Usually I don't like the
build quality of Sigma lenses and think of them as cheap
alternatives to Nikon. Furthermore I'm using wide angle lenses not
so often and have already several. But this constant raving about
this lens makes me thinking ...

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Nirto Karsten Fischer

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Jono Slack
http://www.slack.co.uk

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rainer viertlböck
http://www.tangential.de

 

[Peter69322]

I must say, technical issues aside, the experience of shooting 12mm full frame is truly unique, like entering a different world. It really puts flesh on the bones of the word perspective, a different way of seeing. Anyway, at the risk of offending anyone who enjoys order and organization in their living room, I'm curious how the 12-24 aficionados rate what they see in my sample. 12mm, 1/0, F8, bounce flash, hand held. thanks...Peter
http://www.pbase.com/image/38645883/original

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[Nirto Karsten Fischer]

Thanks Jono and Rainer - your informative notes slipped my attention the last days. I will check out the Sigma 12-24, I'm now really interested. My comments about build quality was based on the only Sigma lens I own, the 8mm fisheye. It is a bit flimsy build and only after a few weeks the AF broke and the manual focus was partly blocked. Based on this experience I got a prejudice maybe. Also I found the color rendition a bit yellowish in comparison to my Nikkors.
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Nirto Karsten Fischer

 

[Peter69322]

I really love how you can separate spaces at this view!...Peter



full res
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[rainer viertlboeck]

i cannt rate it without seeing a whole picture with 100%....

I really love how you can separate spaces at this view!...Peter



full res
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[Peter69322]

this is full res. I realize now that this shot is 22mm, thanks....Peter
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[Quentin (UK)]

You have a Kitchens and baths mag on your table? Peter, you can't buy new domestic fittings, there are LENSES to buy

Difficult to tell from this but it loks good to me.

Quentin

I must say, technical issues aside, the experience of shooting 12mm
full frame is truly unique, like entering a different world. It
really puts flesh on the bones of the word perspective, a different
way of seeing. Anyway, at the risk of offending anyone who enjoys
order and organization in their living room, I'm curious how the
12-24 aficionados rate what they see in my sample. 12mm, 1/0, F8,
bounce flash, hand held. thanks...Peter
http://www.pbase.com/image/38645883/original

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http://www.innerimager.com

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Quentin
http://www.barleigh.com

 

[Peter69322]

You have a Kitchens and baths mag on your table? Peter, you can't
buy new domestic fittings, there are LENSES to buy

not to worry , Quentin. It's really a B&H catalogue with a false cover. ;> ) ...Peter

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