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G6 Initial Annoyances...
- Thread starter Mike Hunt
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If that's the case, then why have they used the black color to promote otherwise unappealing models like the G5 and the G3 Special edition?That's sort of my pointI don't conduct formal, large-scale,
scientific market surveys. However, I'm sure Canon dedicates a
department of resources to do it - and maybe, just maybe, they know
that more people want silver than black.
Depends on your point of view. Your scale would certainly apply to a stockholder in that company, or to someone' who's very pro-business in general and has little concern for consumers.
From a consumer's point of view, items 2 and 3 should be reversed.
For those with vested interests in Microsft it's not bad. For those who are forced to deal with their market dominance and the resulting poor quality, stagnant development, and limited choices as consumers, or for those whose great companies and products have been unfarily annihialted by Microsft, ... I think that might be just a little bad...
And that's where political and economic theory come in. Without government and social pressures for companies to act it ways that are ethical and socially responsible, the free market would result in a mind bogling disaster.
I belong to the school of thought that feels the corporate community needs more pressure, regulatory and otherwise, to behave responsibly. Not less.
If everyone's following the rules and everything's a big mess... Maybe it's time to change the rules.
You mean the way our market economy lets me vote with my wallet and choose any computer operating system I want without fear of being locked out of businesss and technology as a whole? The market economy that decided that Windows is the superior OS?
Profitability does not equal superiority.
Excuse me? Sony, Olympus, and others have received brilliant reviews on many of their products. I'm not saying they're any better than Canon. I'm just saying I no longer hold Canon is such high esteem as I used to, and that some of their latest products stink.
if I wanted weight and bulk I'd get an SLR. These are not the design goals of this product.
True. And for me, the Pro1 is way out of balance. It's few advantages have been overshadowed by its many flaws. In my opinion, this model seems to adrress a relatively narrow set of requirements - and I discovered much too late, what those areas are...
I've long rallied against what I consider to be niche products that seem to be promoted as great all-around products. Case in point: Nikon digicams, with their awkward interfaces, poor battery life, slow lenses, etc., which do really well with macros and landscapes. Canon always seemed better designed and far more versatile. I see the Pro1 as a huge step towards everything I once criticized about the Nikon cameras.
I've been wirting it down for the last 3 years.
Did you see a 7mp sensor in my list?
Hi there,
Personally, I wouldn't care if the thing was pink and purple polka-dotted, as long as does the job as well as black, but the reality is, black is best for these reasons.
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I think many people miss the point regarding black cameras versus other colors. There is a reason most professional cameras are black, and it has nothing to do with looks. Given a constant amount of incident light and identical surface finishes, black simply absorbes more and reflects less light then other possible choices. This has obvious benefits- the primary one is that less light will be reflected into the lens and cause problems like ghosting and flare, for example. Another benefit is that this makes the camera a bit less noticable, which can come in handy in a variety of situations- street shooting, candids, wildlife, etc.
Personally, I wouldn't care if the thing was pink and purple polka-dotted, as long as does the job as well as black, but the reality is, black is best for these reasons.
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Jake163431
Member
How did they mislead the people? Wasn't it the forum folks who were speculating about the G series and the Pro1?
Was there an official statement from Canon? If so, I'd like to know what it was. Otherwise I think people misled themselves.
A to the V
Leading Member
See my other post. Even if we assume that black is more appealing, there is NOTHING wrong to assign a monetary value to it. THINK about it.
Maybe I'm not a consumer. An admirable company without profit soon ceases to exist. All products lose support. I rest my case.
Wow, you're confused who's at fault here. I'm not saying MS is not an evil company, but these people, not MS, forced it upon themselves by not doing enough research and not voting wisely with their wallet. I use Linux. Let's not stray too off topic here.
I belong to another school of thought. The pressure you talk about should be "market pressure". Nothing else. Not that I'm right, but neither are you. That's why we have different schools of thoughts.
You're right. However what's wrong nowadays is not inherent in market economy.
You are confused. Windows is an inferior OS and it has nothing to do with the market economy. It is just a product of MS breaking the rules of the game. The rules are not bad themselves. All criminals are bound to enjoy a brief advantage over the rest of the world when they break the rules.
In short, the "success" of Windows is due to the breaking of rules, not the following.
Key word: Consistently. Do MORE research and at least visit all the review sites and we can talk. Canon is getting more % of their cams in good reviews (If possible do not just visit the ones in English. If you can read, go to Japanese, Chinese, Spanish and German sites as well)
You begin to sound like you're the engineer of this product. Did any designer tell you the design goals?
Maybe, just maybe there exist some people who want a bit weight without having to clean the sensors every year, and it only happens that you don't belong to that group?
Are you sure everyone, not just you, would pick an SLR if they want weight? I'm not too sure. Are you?
Okay, it may sound a trivial question, but I have to ask: why did you buy the Pro1 if you hate it so much?? Why didn't you pick something else?
Point taken. You didn't seem to have done enough research before making a purchase decision.
Are you a Canon engineer? Why should anyone consider your list more important than any other list?
difficult to hold with left leg, right?
Bradley Grant93796
Forum Enthusiast
It is said that the Canon Engineers do read these threads, they must be in stiches laughing over this thread. They are probably thinking will just add a few minor tweeks, that will keep everyone exchanging their cameras for newer models just get a minor improvement with each successive model.
For me, I've had a G1, G3, and I may upgrade to the G6 for the 7 MP sensor just for printing larger prints, and for the few other minor improvements. Though they may laugh at me a little for buying every other model number. I would have like to see a 28mm to 140mm, but you can bet it'll be on the G7 due to be released in a year or so from now.
For me, I've had a G1, G3, and I may upgrade to the G6 for the 7 MP sensor just for printing larger prints, and for the few other minor improvements. Though they may laugh at me a little for buying every other model number. I would have like to see a 28mm to 140mm, but you can bet it'll be on the G7 due to be released in a year or so from now.
Medic Laviña
Veteran Member
No, I was being fascetious. But clearly they're substantially smaller and lighter than an SLR, making them much more pleasant to carry around more often.
Many of us are avoiding SLRs, not because of cost, but because of size and weight. These are higher priorities for me, though it's painful nonetheless to put of with subpar autofocus and other issues inherent in all non-SLRs.
John McCormack
Veteran Member
Based on initial previews it looks like the G6 AF Assist is no better than the one on the G5/G3. Unless the G6 allows use of the near IR AF assist of the EX flashes, the G6 is not much improved for low light focusing. Correct me if I'm wrong.
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Canon is (again) boasting great strides in autofocus performance for the G6. Where did you read that its AF is not much improved?
Incidentally, Don't hold your breath for a prosumer that can use the red AF assist lamp on an external flash. The AF systems on prosumer cameras is radicall different from that used on SLRs, and will not benefit from the red light.
Incidentally, Don't hold your breath for a prosumer that can use the red AF assist lamp on an external flash. The AF systems on prosumer cameras is radicall different from that used on SLRs, and will not benefit from the red light.
John McCormack
Veteran Member
I did not mean to imply that the AF on the G6 has not been improved; it may be better in general than previous G cameras. I'm more concerned with the AF ASSIST method when using flash, esp. the EX flashes. Time will tell...
Hi Mike,
As long as the camera is sensitive enough to the light of the external flash's AF beam, it will work.
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Prosumer cams that can use the AF assist light on external flashes are already available. I routinely use my Oly 8080, for example, with the excellent FL40 external flash. Using the FL40's AF assist (and without using the camera's own AF assist) one can lock focus in complete darkness in situations where focus lock cannot be obtained without it.
As long as the camera is sensitive enough to the light of the external flash's AF beam, it will work.
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thermal1
Leading Member
Thought I'd resurrect this thread for all the people upset with the G7 (in comparison with the G6).
It seems many cameras are villified upon introduction, and sainted when their replacement is introduced.
It seems many cameras are villified upon introduction, and sainted when their replacement is introduced.
Tony A201566
Well-known member
bumping 2+ year old threads. That said, the original topic seems to be complaining about what Canon didn't improve or didn't improve enough on the G6, not (like G7) about the 8 or so best features that were removed in the new model---big difference.---Your example strengthens the G7 "bashers" point.
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stephaneonline
Guest
8 or so features removed ?
Could you list them, I know of only 4.
Also I really like what Ralph M said, jsut replace G5 with G6 (except the part about the batteries) :
1. You got a lot more choices than you had yesterday
2. You can buy this at a price that appears to be quite reasonable. And after the discounters get them at maybe the same as a G5.
3. You can use all your batteries, chargers, external flashes, filters, close-up, tele and wide lenses from your G3 and G5,s
4. The G line is not dead... folks whined about that for about two years.
5. You don't have to buy one if you don't want to.
So.. all in all... I think today is a good day.
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1010&message=9959122
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Tony A201566
Well-known member
You asked.....
1. No status LCD
2. No RAW
3. Slower lens
4. Battery 1/2 the capacity of old one/much shorter batter life
5. Free remote (included in box) not available/free on G7
6. Lcd doesn't flip out/twist
7. On Board flash is weaker
8. Jog dial (by shutter) removed
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