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Hi all

I need to take pictures by remote control on a F828, however I do not want to have a cable due to the pictures being at night and me moving around with the cahnce of falling over.

I have done a search on this forum and the only one i can come up with is no where near marketing yet. Anyone know any do it yourself ways or tips? Please.
 
I use the RM-DR1. Never had a problem with it. What I do on occasion where the tripod must not be disturbed is place a 10 pound weight on the center column of the tripod. Even strong wind does not affect the outcome.
Hi all
I need to take pictures by remote control on a F828, however I do
not want to have a cable due to the pictures being at night and me
moving around with the cahnce of falling over.
I have done a search on this forum and the only one i can come up
with is no where near marketing yet. Anyone know any do it yourself
ways or tips? Please.
--
Portfolio: http://www.shaystephens.com/portfolio.asp
 
Hi Barney,

Isn't the JG remote currently available in a UHF radio version which is legal to use in the UK (that's where your profile puts you)? Or are you dwelling on the IR version?

I've not heard of anything else coming on to the market.

My solution would be to --

1. Start with an RM-DR1 or RM-VD1 sony wired remote.

2. Obtain an encoded UHF or IR general purpose remote switch from an electronic hobbyist supplies store. These are commonly used to interface with existing car or home security systems, etc. and should have isolated outputs.

3. Use the remote device to mimic the shutter button contact closure in the Sony remote. It would take only a bit of minor surgery, and I would suggest installing something like a 2.5 mm audio jack in the remote housing to provide disconnectable access to the relevant contact(s).

Mike
Hi all
I need to take pictures by remote control on a F828, however I do
not want to have a cable due to the pictures being at night and me
moving around with the cahnce of falling over.
I have done a search on this forum and the only one i can come up
with is no where near marketing yet. Anyone know any do it yourself
ways or tips? Please.
 
Mike

thank you very much for your answer, however i am a bit of a neanderthal when it comes to DIY. If it can't be done with a big hammer I can't do it, any chance of an idiots guide please.

Barney
Isn't the JG remote currently available in a UHF radio version
which is legal to use in the UK (that's where your profile puts
you)? Or are you dwelling on the IR version?

I've not heard of anything else coming on to the market.

My solution would be to --

1. Start with an RM-DR1 or RM-VD1 sony wired remote.

2. Obtain an encoded UHF or IR general purpose remote switch from
an electronic hobbyist supplies store. These are commonly used to
interface with existing car or home security systems, etc. and
should have isolated outputs.

3. Use the remote device to mimic the shutter button contact
closure in the Sony remote. It would take only a bit of minor
surgery, and I would suggest installing something like a 2.5 mm
audio jack in the remote housing to provide disconnectable access
to the relevant contact(s).

Mike
Hi all
I need to take pictures by remote control on a F828, however I do
not want to have a cable due to the pictures being at night and me
moving around with the cahnce of falling over.
I have done a search on this forum and the only one i can come up
with is no where near marketing yet. Anyone know any do it yourself
ways or tips? Please.
 
Hi Barney,

Isn't the JG remote currently available in a UHF radio version
which is legal to use in the UK (that's where your profile puts
you)? Or are you dwelling on the IR version?

I've not heard of anything else coming on to the market.

My solution would be to --

1. Start with an RM-DR1 or RM-VD1 sony wired remote.

2. Obtain an encoded UHF or IR general purpose remote switch from
an electronic hobbyist supplies store. These are commonly used to
interface with existing car or home security systems, etc. and
should have isolated outputs.

3. Use the remote device to mimic the shutter button contact
closure in the Sony remote. It would take only a bit of minor
surgery, and I would suggest installing something like a 2.5 mm
audio jack in the remote housing to provide disconnectable access
to the relevant contact(s).
Wrong. there is more involved here then what meets the eye, its not that simple. The camera "ONLY" responds to the Sony LANC protocall which is generated by the RM-DR1 or RM-VD1 units.

Dietmar
Mike
Hi all
I need to take pictures by remote control on a F828, however I do
not want to have a cable due to the pictures being at night and me
moving around with the cahnce of falling over.
I have done a search on this forum and the only one i can come up
with is no where near marketing yet. Anyone know any do it yourself
ways or tips? Please.
 
Gee Dietmar, I really appreciate these loud declamatory rebuttals.

Please read the following carefully:
1. Start with an RM-DR1 or RM-VD1 sony wired remote.
Note: "Start with..."

and:
3. Use the remote device to mimic the shutter button contact
closure in the Sony remote.
Note: "in the Sony remote"

Think about that...
there is more involved here then what meets the eye, its not
that simple. The camera "ONLY" responds to the Sony LANC protocall
which is generated by the RM-DR1 or RM-VD1 units.
Yes, and I've made that very point in this forum on more occasions than I care to remember x10^3.

But thanks for your input.

Mike
 
Hi Mike,

I've seen you post on this topic before, so I was just wondering.

Do you know if Sony publish any offical information on the specification for LANC? Timing diagrams, tolerance bands, command codes etc.

I'm guess as it's all propietary the only information we have is the web reverse engineering stuff? :-(

Also, is there any chance you could help me out on this:

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1009&message=8897068

Cheers,

Luke
Gee Dietmar, I really appreciate these loud declamatory rebuttals.

Please read the following carefully:
1. Start with an RM-DR1 or RM-VD1 sony wired remote.
Note: "Start with..."

and:
3. Use the remote device to mimic the shutter button contact
closure in the Sony remote.
Note: "in the Sony remote"

Think about that...
there is more involved here then what meets the eye, its not
that simple. The camera "ONLY" responds to the Sony LANC protocall
which is generated by the RM-DR1 or RM-VD1 units.
Yes, and I've made that very point in this forum on more occasions
than I care to remember x10^3.

But thanks for your input.

Mike
 
luke_church wrote:
Hi Mike,
I've seen you post on this topic before, so I was just wondering.
Do you know if Sony publish any offical information on the
specification for LANC? Timing diagrams, tolerance bands, command
codes etc.
I'm guess as it's all propietary the only information we have is
the web reverse engineering stuff? :-(
Also, is there any chance you could help me out on this:
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1009&message=8897068
Cheers,
Luke
Sony's LANC Protocol:
http://www.boehmel.de/lanc.htm

LANC Projects:
http://www.area69.com/lanc
http://www.bealecorner.com/trv900/EdGrip/
http://xoomer.virgilio.it/carlopra/lanc/
http://personal.nbnet.nb.ca/dmeed/sony_lan.html
http://www.coastweb.de/dv/
http://this.is/tpg/products/unwinder/tech/control_l/
http://pages.sbcglobal.net/rcrock/lancshep/
  • David
 
Cheers David,

I'd only come across a couple of those...

Thanks again,

Luke
luke_church wrote:
Hi Mike,
I've seen you post on this topic before, so I was just wondering.
Do you know if Sony publish any offical information on the
specification for LANC? Timing diagrams, tolerance bands, command
codes etc.
I'm guess as it's all propietary the only information we have is
the web reverse engineering stuff? :-(
Also, is there any chance you could help me out on this:
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1009&message=8897068
Cheers,
Luke
Sony's LANC Protocol:
http://www.boehmel.de/lanc.htm

LANC Projects:
http://www.area69.com/lanc
http://www.bealecorner.com/trv900/EdGrip/
http://xoomer.virgilio.it/carlopra/lanc/
http://personal.nbnet.nb.ca/dmeed/sony_lan.html
http://www.coastweb.de/dv/
http://this.is/tpg/products/unwinder/tech/control_l/
http://pages.sbcglobal.net/rcrock/lancshep/
  • David
 
Gee Dietmar, I really appreciate these loud declamatory rebuttals.
Please read the following carefully:
Yes Mike I do appologize for not reading more carefully.

Dietmar
1. Start with an RM-DR1 or RM-VD1 sony wired remote.
Note: "Start with..."

and:
3. Use the remote device to mimic the shutter button contact
closure in the Sony remote.
Note: "in the Sony remote"

Think about that...
there is more involved here then what meets the eye, its not
that simple. The camera "ONLY" responds to the Sony LANC protocall
which is generated by the RM-DR1 or RM-VD1 units.
Yes, and I've made that very point in this forum on more occasions
than I care to remember x10^3.

But thanks for your input.

Mike
 
Hi Luke --

Sony has been playing its tech cards very close to its chest (with consumer gear, at any rate) more and more in recent years and I'm not aware of any official resource. Not that I've looked in depth, since I ended up going non-Sony with camera gear as it turned out. All those bookmarks and nowhere to go...

But I doubt you'll find anything official anyway on this so that leaves the public Web stuff you mention. The only link that I have that I don't see in David's list is this one which does look sorta promising, targeting as it does this camera range specifically: http://home.tiscali.de/redmot/RCntrl.htm

Much of what I had bookmarked has come from David in the past in any case. He's obviously been wearing his bike shorts and has covered a lot of territory ;-)

On the burst mode matter, I see that Shay has covered it by now and I couldn't have given you an answer anyway. I like your thinking though -- one never knows what strange variations might occur with alternative control setups like that and it was certainly worth investigating.

BTW did you mean the older 'DR1' in that other post? If so then FWIW I'm not aware of any differences having been reported in terms of either functioinality or reliability. These things are very personal, of course, but from photos I've seen the new one looks a bit on the small side, to me, for easy use (and I don't have large hands).

Cheers,

Mike
I've seen you post on this topic before, so I was just wondering.

Do you know if Sony publish any offical information on the
specification for LANC? Timing diagrams, tolerance bands, command
codes etc.

I'm guess as it's all propietary the only information we have is
the web reverse engineering stuff? :-(

Also, is there any chance you could help me out on this:

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1009&message=8897068

Cheers,

Luke
Gee Dietmar, I really appreciate these loud declamatory rebuttals.

Please read the following carefully:
1. Start with an RM-DR1 or RM-VD1 sony wired remote.
Note: "Start with..."

and:
3. Use the remote device to mimic the shutter button contact
closure in the Sony remote.
Note: "in the Sony remote"

Think about that...
there is more involved here then what meets the eye, its not
that simple. The camera "ONLY" responds to the Sony LANC protocall
which is generated by the RM-DR1 or RM-VD1 units.
Yes, and I've made that very point in this forum on more occasions
than I care to remember x10^3.

But thanks for your input.

Mike
 
While the sony serial protocol is propriatary, the transfer of data begins with a simple switch closure. A wireless doorbell ($12.00 at wal mart) will work perfectly. The doorbells all use a holtek encoder/decoder pair, 64,000 differrent combinations. You won't ring your neighbors doorbell everytime you take a picture.

Interfacing the bell part of the pair to the remote is a piece of cake. A rectifier and small cap, then a small reed relay to trip the shutter. (If you want to get fancy you can use an FET bilateral switch instead of the relay, that's a bit trickier, but still easy enough)

The solution offered below is also very do-able, all that needs to take place is a switch closure. The serial stuff neednt be touched.

Take it from a electronics tech that has done things like this before.
Hi Barney,

Isn't the JG remote currently available in a UHF radio version
which is legal to use in the UK (that's where your profile puts
you)? Or are you dwelling on the IR version?

I've not heard of anything else coming on to the market.

My solution would be to --

1. Start with an RM-DR1 or RM-VD1 sony wired remote.

2. Obtain an encoded UHF or IR general purpose remote switch from
an electronic hobbyist supplies store. These are commonly used to
interface with existing car or home security systems, etc. and
should have isolated outputs.

3. Use the remote device to mimic the shutter button contact
closure in the Sony remote. It would take only a bit of minor
surgery, and I would suggest installing something like a 2.5 mm
audio jack in the remote housing to provide disconnectable access
to the relevant contact(s).
Wrong. there is more involved here then what meets the eye, its not
that simple. The camera "ONLY" responds to the Sony LANC protocall
which is generated by the RM-DR1 or RM-VD1 units.

Dietmar
Mike
Hi all
I need to take pictures by remote control on a F828, however I do
not want to have a cable due to the pictures being at night and me
moving around with the cahnce of falling over.
I have done a search on this forum and the only one i can come up
with is no where near marketing yet. Anyone know any do it yourself
ways or tips? Please.
--
rich
'beware the eggplant'
c-7oo, d-51O, DSC-F7O7, 3OOD

'Trying, the first step to failure'- Homer Simpson
http://www.iceninephotography.com
 
While the sony serial protocol is propriatary, the transfer of data
begins with a simple switch closure.
Exactly.
A wireless doorbell ($12.00 at
wal mart) will work perfectly. The doorbells all use a holtek
encoder/decoder pair, 64,000 differrent combinations. You won't
ring your neighbors doorbell everytime you take a picture.
Jeez, talk about the blindingly obvious! ;-) When I was thinking what was available off the shelf I completely forgot about these. You're right, they're everywhere now, and without doubt the cheapest front-end solution.

Thanks for the heads up!

Cheers,

Mike
Interfacing the bell part of the pair to the remote is a piece of
cake. A rectifier and small cap, then a small reed relay to trip
the shutter. (If you want to get fancy you can use an FET bilateral
switch instead of the relay, that's a bit trickier, but still easy
enough)

The solution offered below is also very do-able, all that needs to
take place is a switch closure. The serial stuff neednt be touched.

Take it from a electronics tech that has done things like this before.
Hi Barney,

Isn't the JG remote currently available in a UHF radio version
which is legal to use in the UK (that's where your profile puts
you)? Or are you dwelling on the IR version?

I've not heard of anything else coming on to the market.

My solution would be to --

1. Start with an RM-DR1 or RM-VD1 sony wired remote.

2. Obtain an encoded UHF or IR general purpose remote switch from
an electronic hobbyist supplies store. These are commonly used to
interface with existing car or home security systems, etc. and
should have isolated outputs.

3. Use the remote device to mimic the shutter button contact
closure in the Sony remote. It would take only a bit of minor
surgery, and I would suggest installing something like a 2.5 mm
audio jack in the remote housing to provide disconnectable access
to the relevant contact(s).
 
Hi Mike,
Sony has been playing its tech cards very close to its chest (with
consumer gear, at any rate) more and more in recent years and I'm
not aware of any official resource. Not that I've looked in depth,
since I ended up going non-Sony with camera gear as it turned out.
All those bookmarks and nowhere to go...
Fair enough. I might call their technical people and see whether I can get any spec, though I admit I'm not hopeful.
But I doubt you'll find anything official anyway on this so that
leaves the public Web stuff you mention. The only link that I have
that I don't see in David's list is this one which does look sorta
promising, targeting as it does this camera range specifically:
http://home.tiscali.de/redmot/RCntrl.htm
Thank for that.
On the burst mode matter, I see that Shay has covered it by now and
I couldn't have given you an answer anyway.
Fair enough and thanks for looking anyhow.
I like your thinking
though -- one never knows what strange variations might occur with
alternative control setups like that and it was certainly worth
investigating.
No kidding... As you might have noticed looking at some of my other posts I have a fair amount of experience in software development, so I've come across quite a few of these 'wierd effects' and with alternative control setup, esp. when the control protocol seems to be a 'hack' from what was originally a video setup who knows what might happen....
BTW did you mean the older 'DR1' in that other post? If so then
FWIW I'm not aware of any differences having been reported in terms
of either functioinality or reliability. These things are very
personal, of course, but from photos I've seen the new one looks a
bit on the small side, to me, for easy use (and I don't have large
hands).
Thanks for that, yeah I was looking at the difference between the VD1 and the older DR1, I couldn't see anything significant in the manual. In the end I went for the VD1 (should be shipping tommorow) on the basis of the clip and what looked like clearer buttons, though I certainly hear the concerns on size. Should do the job at any rate, I guess I'll probably look at designing a full custom device at some point in the future when I have the time for such things (launghs....) :-)

Thanks for your input Mike,

Cheers,

Luke
 
While the sony serial protocol is propriatary, the transfer of data
begins with a simple switch closure.
Exactly.
A wireless doorbell ($12.00 at
wal mart) will work perfectly. The doorbells all use a holtek
encoder/decoder pair, 64,000 differrent combinations. You won't
ring your neighbors doorbell everytime you take a picture.
Jeez, talk about the blindingly obvious! ;-) When I was thinking
what was available off the shelf I completely forgot about these.
You're right, they're everywhere now, and without doubt the
cheapest front-end solution.

Thanks for the heads up!

Cheers,

Mike
Interfacing the bell part of the pair to the remote is a piece of
cake. A rectifier and small cap, then a small reed relay to trip
the shutter. (If you want to get fancy you can use an FET bilateral
switch instead of the relay, that's a bit trickier, but still easy
enough)

The solution offered below is also very do-able, all that needs to
take place is a switch closure. The serial stuff neednt be touched.

Take it from a electronics tech that has done things like this before.
Hi Barney,

Isn't the JG remote currently available in a UHF radio version
which is legal to use in the UK (that's where your profile puts
you)? Or are you dwelling on the IR version?

I've not heard of anything else coming on to the market.

My solution would be to --

1. Start with an RM-DR1 or RM-VD1 sony wired remote.

2. Obtain an encoded UHF or IR general purpose remote switch from
an electronic hobbyist supplies store. These are commonly used to
interface with existing car or home security systems, etc. and
should have isolated outputs.

3. Use the remote device to mimic the shutter button contact
closure in the Sony remote. It would take only a bit of minor
surgery, and I would suggest installing something like a 2.5 mm
audio jack in the remote housing to provide disconnectable access
to the relevant contact(s).
 
Mike Fitzgerald wrote:
Much of what I had bookmarked has come from David in the past in
any case. He's obviously been wearing his bike shorts and has
covered a lot of territory ;-)
;-)

Not nearly enough miles lately. If there were, would I have time to read enough posts to be compliling lists like these?

Not nearly enough shutter miles either - sadly. Back to the 50-hour workweeks for the boss. At least this time the boss is not me. if it were, I'd be working much more and making less $$$. Perhaps I can afford a new camera soon.
  • David
 
While the sony serial protocol is propriatary, the transfer of data
begins with a simple switch closure. A wireless doorbell ($12.00 at
wal mart) will work perfectly. The doorbells all use a holtek
encoder/decoder pair, 64,000 differrent combinations. You won't
ring your neighbors doorbell everytime you take a picture.

Interfacing the bell part of the pair to the remote is a piece of
cake. A rectifier and small cap, then a small reed relay to trip
the shutter.
From one electronics tech to another can you please show how you connected the simple relay switch closure to the RM-DR1 to trip the shutter via the Sony LANC signal. Here is how I did it.

http://www.inertia-llc.com/sandbox/rm-dr1-tl/source/dsc00316.html

Dietmar

(If you want to get fancy you can use an FET bilateral
switch instead of the relay, that's a bit trickier, but still easy
enough)>
The solution offered below is also very do-able, all that needs to
take place is a switch closure. The serial stuff neednt be touched.

Take it from a electronics tech that has done things like this before.
Hi Barney,

Isn't the JG remote currently available in a UHF radio version
which is legal to use in the UK (that's where your profile puts
you)? Or are you dwelling on the IR version?

I've not heard of anything else coming on to the market.

My solution would be to --

1. Start with an RM-DR1 or RM-VD1 sony wired remote.

2. Obtain an encoded UHF or IR general purpose remote switch from
an electronic hobbyist supplies store. These are commonly used to
interface with existing car or home security systems, etc. and
should have isolated outputs.

3. Use the remote device to mimic the shutter button contact
closure in the Sony remote. It would take only a bit of minor
surgery, and I would suggest installing something like a 2.5 mm
audio jack in the remote housing to provide disconnectable access
to the relevant contact(s).
Wrong. there is more involved here then what meets the eye, its not
that simple. The camera "ONLY" responds to the Sony LANC protocall
which is generated by the RM-DR1 or RM-VD1 units.

Dietmar
Mike
Hi all
I need to take pictures by remote control on a F828, however I do
not want to have a cable due to the pictures being at night and me
moving around with the cahnce of falling over.
I have done a search on this forum and the only one i can come up
with is no where near marketing yet. Anyone know any do it yourself
ways or tips? Please.
--
rich
'beware the eggplant'
c-7oo, d-51O, DSC-F7O7, 3OOD

'Trying, the first step to failure'- Homer Simpson
http://www.iceninephotography.com
 
Gee Dietmar, I really appreciate these loud declamatory rebuttals.
Please read the following carefully:
Yes Mike I do appologize for not reading more carefully.

Dietmar
1. Start with an RM-DR1 or RM-VD1 sony wired remote.
Note: "Start with..."

and:
3. Use the remote device to mimic the shutter button contact
closure in the Sony remote.
Note: "in the Sony remote"

Think about that...
there is more involved here then what meets the eye, its not
that simple. The camera "ONLY" responds to the Sony LANC protocall
which is generated by the RM-DR1 or RM-VD1 units.
Yes, and I've made that very point in this forum on more occasions
than I care to remember x10^3.

But thanks for your input.

Mike
 

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