Shutter speed locked at 200 with flash

Actually, you can do that with the 50mm. There is a nice button on the back to change it to 105mm.

Anyway, as I said Canon specs state a GUIDE NUMBER of 46 feet. To get the flash range you divide the f/stop into the guide number.

46/5.6 = 8.2 feet

Jason
 
so at F5.6 you only get light at 8 feet and then what? nothing? I am guessing it fall but slowly?

also where do you see that canon test were done at F 1.0? all I could see is 105mm 1/1000s 46ft.

is there such thing as a 105mm F1.0 lens?
Actually, you can do that with the 50mm. There is a nice button on
the back to change it to 105mm.

Anyway, as I said Canon specs state a GUIDE NUMBER of 46
feet. To get the flash range you divide the f/stop into the guide
number.

46/5.6 = 8.2 feet

Jason
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Saurulmaiel
 
so at F5.6 you only get light at 8 feet and then what? nothing? I
am guessing it fall but slowly?
It will fall according to the square law. At twice the distance it will be 1/4th the light. 3x the distance is 1/9th the light (3 stops).
also where do you see that canon test were done at F 1.0?
There were no "tests" done, it was stated clearly at the top of the table GUIDE NUMBER which is normalized to f/1.0 at ISO 100. How in the world would you otherwise rate flash distance if every lens has a different f/stop????
is there such thing as a 105mm F1.0 lens?
What does that matter? It's a standard rating. An engine is rated in horsepower but that doesn't mean you have to be able to put 340 horses in your engine bay????

All that being said, a member of this forum was selling a lens that would be equivalent to a 123f/.75 the other day, as well as a 144f/1.0.

Jason
 
Guide No. (At ISO 100 in meters and feet)

where do you see that the chart is at F 1.0?
Listen up. I am not going to repeat myself. You're posting a rediculous amount of times to repeat the same question without even reading the post you're responding to.

Guide number is DEFINED as the number than when divided by your aperture gives you your flash range for that particular ISO. Canon doesn't need to say f/1.0 because they have cleary labeled those as guide numbers .

If you are too lazy to look up the definition of a guide number, see here:

http://www.mich.com/~fandreae/Glossary_f.html
or here:
http://www.martysnyderman.com/glossary1.html
or here:
http://www.daveread.com/uw-photo/glossary.html
or here:
http://www.bestcameraprices.com/glossary.htm
or here:
http://www.ephotozine.com/glossary/index.cfm?letter=g
or here:
http://www.photomentor.co.uk/glossary.html
or here:
http://www.bookhamcc.org.uk/glossary.htm
or here:
http://mywebpages.comcast.net/lawrencephotography/glossary.htm

If Canon didn't use guide numbers they would have to post flash ranges for every f/stop from f/1.0 to f/45 and there would be 20 pages of tables.
Read it again, slowly. If you don't understand, read it again.

Jason
 
It really makes me lough when someone (a J* ) is replying to a post as if he was forced too...only to be able to complain and insult...

if you don't want to provide help, or if you feel that you can't do it without resorting to insult and total lack of manner...then skip it.

I know what is a guide I knwo what are horses but this I don't understand is why you are using figure of speech as exemple...no relation to F number or guide line.

I am not lazy, and yes I did a lot of search in that forum, the 1d forum and the 10d forum.

If you don't understand the difference between a guide line and a figure of speech..here is something easy to understand for you.

http://dict.die.net/figure%20of%20speech/
Guide No. (At ISO 100 in meters and feet)

where do you see that the chart is at F 1.0?
Listen up. I am not going to repeat myself. You're posting a
rediculous amount of times to repeat the same question without even
reading the post you're responding to.

Guide number is DEFINED as the number than when divided by your
aperture gives you your flash range for that particular ISO. Canon
doesn't need to say f/1.0 because they have cleary labeled those as
guide numbers .

If you are too lazy to look up the definition of a guide number,
see here:

http://www.mich.com/~fandreae/Glossary_f.html
or here:
http://www.martysnyderman.com/glossary1.html
or here:
http://www.daveread.com/uw-photo/glossary.html
or here:
http://www.bestcameraprices.com/glossary.htm
or here:
http://www.ephotozine.com/glossary/index.cfm?letter=g
or here:
http://www.photomentor.co.uk/glossary.html
or here:
http://www.bookhamcc.org.uk/glossary.htm
or here:
http://mywebpages.comcast.net/lawrencephotography/glossary.htm

If Canon didn't use guide numbers they would have to post flash
ranges for every f/stop from f/1.0 to f/45 and there would be 20
pages of tables.
Read it again, slowly. If you don't understand, read it again.

Jason
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Mornórëo Nóressë yassë i Fuini caitar.
Un thoron arart’a s’un hith mal’kemen ioke.
Saurulmaiel
 
Daniella,

I already have a Better Beamer and have been using it quite a bit. My biggest goal right now is learning how to use it better and to get the inflight shots going. Getting to know the flash should improve my over all images as I am around quite a lot of flying birds and ones that have shadows. I will have to look to see if there is a chart like that for the sigma (probabloy is). Here is a recent shot I took in a shaded area using the Beater Beamer. Rod


take a look at this..there is a chart at the bottom that show the
distance reach according to the different shutter speeds.

http://www.usa.canon.com/html/cameras_speedlite/550exspec.html

is there such chart for the Sigma?
I was able to get a flash at 1/1000sec in Manual mode and the flash
in FP. In the 300D view finder an H appears next to the flash
symble. Looks like this can be done in Tv mode as well but if you
are practicing and it's not bright your aperture will fall to it's
largest setting (widest) and you may not even be able to fire off a
shot. I will be trying this out to flash fill with in-flight birds
and the better beamer.
Here is a picture I took this last weekend of Arthur Morris with
this setup. They were standing there waiting for birds to fly into
the rookery. Only difference is a better camera/flash and a custom
flash mount that attaches from the lens (100-400L).



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Rod
http://www.pbase.com/rod_ostoski
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Rod
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wow, great photo. what distance and mm was it taken? what F number?

was it taken in high speed sync mode or 1/200s?

take a look at this..there is a chart at the bottom that show the
distance reach according to the different shutter speeds.

http://www.usa.canon.com/html/cameras_speedlite/550exspec.html

is there such chart for the Sigma?
I was able to get a flash at 1/1000sec in Manual mode and the flash
in FP. In the 300D view finder an H appears next to the flash
symble. Looks like this can be done in Tv mode as well but if you
are practicing and it's not bright your aperture will fall to it's
largest setting (widest) and you may not even be able to fire off a
shot. I will be trying this out to flash fill with in-flight birds
and the better beamer.
Here is a picture I took this last weekend of Arthur Morris with
this setup. They were standing there waiting for birds to fly into
the rookery. Only difference is a better camera/flash and a custom
flash mount that attaches from the lens (100-400L).



-------
Rod
http://www.pbase.com/rod_ostoski
--
Minë Corma hostië të ilyë ar mordossë nutië të
Mornórëo Nóressë yassë i Fuini caitar.
Un thoron arart’a s’un hith mal’kemen ioke.
Saurulmaiel
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Rod
http://www.pbase.com/rod_ostoski
--
Minë Corma hostië të ilyë ar mordossë nutië të
Mornórëo Nóressë yassë i Fuini caitar.
Un thoron arart’a s’un hith mal’kemen ioke.
Saurulmaiel
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Rod
http://www.pbase.com/rod_ostoski
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Mornórëo Nóressë yassë i Fuini caitar.
Un thoron arart’a s’un hith mal’kemen ioke.
Saurulmaiel
 
Here are the specs...
1/160s f/5.0 at 210.0mm iso200 with Better Beamer

I didn't know how to get the shutter speed up at that point so I was shooting in Av mode and TTL. Good thing the Egret was standing still! I slid my aperture as wide as it would go trying to blurr the background as much as possible. I didn't get it as blurred as I liked but as you know, the distances have lot's to do with it. I was about 25 feet from this bird, hard to remember the exact distance. I liked the composition of the picture and didn't want to zoom in too close.
wow, great photo. what distance and mm was it taken? what F number?
was it taken in high speed sync mode or 1/200s?
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Rod
http://www.pbase.com/rod_ostoski
 
do you think you still can get that much flash power at 25 feet with high speed sync? have your tried it? seems the range is decreasing a lot in high sync mode.

I wonder if the better beamer woudl compensate for this? have you done tests with and without the beamer? does it really make a big difference?
I didn't know how to get the shutter speed up at that point so I
was shooting in Av mode and TTL. Good thing the Egret was standing
still! I slid my aperture as wide as it would go trying to blurr
the background as much as possible. I didn't get it as blurred as I
liked but as you know, the distances have lot's to do with it. I
was about 25 feet from this bird, hard to remember the exact
distance. I liked the composition of the picture and didn't want to
zoom in too close.
wow, great photo. what distance and mm was it taken? what F number?
was it taken in high speed sync mode or 1/200s?
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Rod
http://www.pbase.com/rod_ostoski
--
Minë Corma hostië të ilyë ar mordossë nutië të
Mornórëo Nóressë yassë i Fuini caitar.
Un thoron arart’a s’un hith mal’kemen ioke.
Saurulmaiel
 
I have been testing and just recently really started digging into how my flash works. I have seen lots of successful pictures taken using this technique. Most people that are doing this really know their flashes. Adjusting the strength of flash to full power is necessary (not sure how to do that yet...lol). I have to admit, I'm pretty flash dumb, but hey, how hard can it be? All we're really trying to do here is cut through some shadows on flying birds and illuminate some still subjects, no? Rod
do you think you still can get that much flash power at 25 feet
with high speed sync? have your tried it? seems the range is
decreasing a lot in high sync mode.

I wonder if the better beamer woudl compensate for this? have you
done tests with and without the beamer? does it really make a big
difference?
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Rod
http://www.pbase.com/rod_ostoski
 
who do you know that use this setup? the people on your photo uses Canon flash I think? can you give me a link to someone who take photograhs of flying birds with high speed flash sync?
I have been testing and just recently really started digging into
how my flash works. I have seen lots of successful pictures taken
using this technique. Most people that are doing this really know
their flashes. Adjusting the strength of flash to full power is
necessary (not sure how to do that yet...lol). I have to admit, I'm
pretty flash dumb, but hey, how hard can it be?
I don't know..I am more than flash dumb, I am totaly clueless as to how they work..never used one. I download the manual and reading through it. seems easy enough but I am still puzzle as to how the ISO and F number will affect the flash range with high speed sync.

for the power, I am guessing that if you use it at more than 105mm, the flash will be at its maximum output, at least taht is what I understand for the 420ex.

All we're really
trying to do here is cut through some shadows on flying birds and
illuminate some still subjects, no? Rod
yes that is what I want to do..so the range for a flash like the 420ex at ISO 100, 1/1000s is only 10 feet, but that is of full flash exposure. That mean that it is strong enough to provide a correct exposure if there is no ambiant light..I am guessing that what is needed for fill in is much less strong, so it might work, should work.
do you think you still can get that much flash power at 25 feet
with high speed sync? have your tried it? seems the range is
decreasing a lot in high sync mode.

I wonder if the better beamer woudl compensate for this? have you
done tests with and without the beamer? does it really make a big
difference?
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Rod
http://www.pbase.com/rod_ostoski
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Mornórëo Nóressë yassë i Fuini caitar.
Un thoron arart’a s’un hith mal’kemen ioke.
Saurulmaiel
 
hmm I did not see any mention of a flash there? or did I miss somethign?
Here is a really good article on Arthur Morris's tips on shooting
birds.

http://www.takegreatpictures.com/articles/default.asp?aid=1337

1/160s f/5.0 at 210.0mm iso200 with Better Beamer



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Rod
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Saurulmaiel
 
That was just a good article on shooting birds in general. Sandy Mossberg of South Florida is quite good with the BB. Here is an E-mail he sent me and his web site. He is good at posting all his picture info. Sorry I don't have all of your answers for you. I will be more helpful soon...

http://www.sandymossberg.com
Here are a few tips about the Better Beamer:

(1) Instead of attaching it to your flash with the bandlike item that comes with the package, apply small Velcro to the sides of your flash and to the corresponding areas on the BB. That will keep the BB fixed in a tight fashion. I also wrap a strip of Velcro around that setup to make everything even more secure.

(2) The Fresnel lens of the BB is like a magnifying glass. If the sun shines through it, you risk burning portions of your flash.

(3) The default flash compensation on the Canon 550EX in ETTL mode should be minus 1 2/3. Adding more (e.g., -1 or -2/3) or less (e.g., -2 or -2 1/3) power can be determined empirically - by trial and error.

(4) Use a flash zoom setting of 50.

(5) The BB offers you an additional 2-3 f-stops because it sends the light a distance of more than twice that of the flash alone.

If you wish to find out more about the BB, Google "Better Beamer" and read about the experience of others.
hmm I did not see any mention of a flash there? or did I miss
somethign?
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Rod
http://www.pbase.com/rod_ostoski
 
It really makes me lough when someone (a J* ) is replying to a
post as if he was forced too...only to be able to complain and
insult...
Actually, I posted so people don't see comments like this:
where do you see that the chart is at F 1.0?
and get mislead by that because they'd assume a person with 18 thousand posts under their belt must understand this basic concept by now and might take something incorrect away from your post.
I know what is a guide
No, not a "guide"... a "guide number." These are entirely different items.
I knwo what are horses but this I don't
understand is why you are using figure of speech as exemple...no
relation to F number or guide line.
Nowhere am I using a figure of speech as an example. Nowhere am I talking about a guideline. A "guide number" is a set in stone physical quantity.
I am not lazy, and yes I did a lot of search in that forum, the 1d
forum and the 10d forum.
That's great. The exact answer to your question below about the increase in effective range after adding the better beamer is contained there as well.
If you don't understand the difference between a guide line and a
figure of speech..here is something easy to understand for you.

http://dict.die.net/figure%20of%20speech/
I don't know why you're giving a link to a term that is irrelevant to this thread, but while you're perusing your site you may want to look up the term guideline that you keep trying to use.

Jason
 
(5) The BB offers you an additional 2-3 f-stops because it sends
the light a distance of more than twice that of the flash alone.
ok that does it! 2-3 stop, more than twice the distance of the flash alone...sounds really good :)))

I will ge getting one for sure.
If you wish to find out more about the BB, Google "Better Beamer"
and read about the experience of others.
hmm I did not see any mention of a flash there? or did I miss
somethign?
-------
Rod
http://www.pbase.com/rod_ostoski
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Mornórëo Nóressë yassë i Fuini caitar.
Un thoron arart’a s’un hith mal’kemen ioke.
Saurulmaiel
 
It really makes me lough when someone (a J* ) is replying to a
post as if he was forced too...only to be able to complain and
insult...
Actually, I posted so people don't see comments like this:
where do you see that the chart is at F 1.0?
and get mislead by that because they'd assume a person with 18
thousand posts under their belt must understand this basic concept
by now and might take something incorrect away from your post.
I know what is a guide
No, not a "guide"... a "guide number." These are entirely
different items.
I knwo what are horses but this I don't
understand is why you are using figure of speech as exemple...no
relation to F number or guide line.
Nowhere am I using a figure of speech as an example. Nowhere am I
talking about a guideline. A "guide number" is a set in stone
physical quantity.
I am not lazy, and yes I did a lot of search in that forum, the 1d
forum and the 10d forum.
That's great. The exact answer to your question below about the
increase in effective range after adding the better beamer is
contained there as well.
If you don't understand the difference between a guide line and a
figure of speech..here is something easy to understand for you.

http://dict.die.net/figure%20of%20speech/
I don't know why you're giving a link to a term that is irrelevant
to this thread, but while you're perusing your site you may want to
look up the term guideline that you keep trying to use.

Jason
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Mornórëo Nóressë yassë i Fuini caitar.
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Saurulmaiel
 
There has to be a way to get fill flash at a relatively close range
with high shutter speeds. Trying to figure out what setting on the
Sigma DG-500 super OR any other competent flash. I flip through the
modes on this flash and I see TTL, Zoom, multi Zoom, TTL Zoom. I
lost my DARN manual...
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Rod
http://www.pbase.com/rod_ostoski
You put the flash in ETTL mode, then it's either the + or - button (can't remember which right now), then you should see a little fast-forward looking symbol on the flash (this means HSS is active) and you should now be able to set a higher shutter speed.

cheers,

greg
 

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