1D Mark II versus 1Ds

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I tried but could not get info. on comparative analysis between the two in this forum. Perfhaps I may not have searched enough. I need to know that other than more pixels for the 1Ds, are there any other advantages to buy the 1Ds over the 1D Mark II. Thanks. Pui.
 
higher frame rate

cost

lower noise

larger range of iso
I tried but could not get info. on comparative analysis between the
two in this forum. Perfhaps I may not have searched enough. I need
to know that other than more pixels for the 1Ds, are there any
other advantages to buy the 1Ds over the 1D Mark II. Thanks. Pui.
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improved flash

faster af
I tried but could not get info. on comparative analysis between the
two in this forum. Perfhaps I may not have searched enough. I need
to know that other than more pixels for the 1Ds, are there any
other advantages to buy the 1Ds over the 1D Mark II. Thanks. Pui.
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Mark, improved flash and better AF, I thought this would be the reasons to go with the 1D Mark II. But I may be wrong. Pui.
faster af
I tried but could not get info. on comparative analysis between the
two in this forum. Perfhaps I may not have searched enough. I need
to know that other than more pixels for the 1Ds, are there any
other advantages to buy the 1Ds over the 1D Mark II. Thanks. Pui.
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Mark, improved flash and better AF, I thought this would be the
reasons to go with the 1D Mark II. But I may be wrong. Pui.
You are right. What Mark meant was that his list of items were all specs that are better on the 1DMkII than the 1Ds. The primary improvements on the 1Ds seem to be the full frame sensor and pixel count. Some on this forum feel the 1DMkII may have sub-par sharpness also, but I think it remains to be seen. There are a few sharp 1DMkII pictures out there. Give it a week and we will probably all know.

-John
 
Mark, improved flash and better AF, I thought this would be the
reasons to go with the 1D Mark II. But I may be wrong. Pui.
You are right. What Mark meant was that his list of items were all
specs that are better on the 1DMkII than the 1Ds. The primary
improvements on the 1Ds seem to be the full frame sensor and pixel
count. Some on this forum feel the 1DMkII may have sub-par
sharpness also, but I think it remains to be seen. There are a few
sharp 1DMkII pictures out there. Give it a week and we will
probably all know.
yes apologies for any confusion.

I personally see the 1dmkII as a better all round camera than the 1ds - but seeing as I am yet to use a 1dmkII I am unable to qualify that opinion.
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The big thing about the pixel count in the 1ds is that it enables you to print a full size (A4) magazine page without any interpolation.

Plus that full sized sensor, no focal length conversions to deal with, and a brighter, bigger viewfinder.

I think the two cameras are very different and have a very different market place dependant on what you are doing with it.
 
Advantages to the Mk2

Lower noise levels
More intelligent AF processing
1.3X Crop allows the use of a wider range of lenses (no soft edges)
Faster Firewire
PictBridge (for Proofing on Granny's CP300)
8.5 FPS (though no use to me)
Longer battery life (even than the 1DS)
Up to date JPG algorithm and other processing such as card interface
Improved image zoom
Faster shutter speeds (I think, it's not as fast as the 1D though)
Vastly improved E-TTL
SD Slot for extra storage
about £1700 UK cheaper

Advantages to the 1DS

Full frame for real wide angle using less compromised lenses (like the 24-70L)
11Mp and with what seems like a less aggressive AA filter

Yer Pays yer money anf takes yer choice..

As for sharpness issues, I seem to remember lots of cries of "Soft" when the 1DS was released, have a look at Michael Reichmann's 100-400L Versus 400 F4.6L review to see how soft the 1DS is at 100% with less than totally stellar glass (the 100-400L crops look terrible - and that's a sharper lens than the 16-35 used in many Mk2 example pics)

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Here's Michael's review of the 400 F5.6 with crops from the 1DS which have been post processed - he says that he doesn't have a Duff 100-400L and we all know the 400 F5.6 to be a Stellar lens wide open so it may give an idea as to the sort of glass needed to make the most of these big CMOS Cameras..

the 1D Mk1 of course gets pixel level sharper than even the 1DS + 400 F5.6 - even with a crappola plastic mount consumer 80-200 F4.5-5.6 let alone an L but then it's not 8.2 or 11Mp is it.. I very much doubt that there will EVER be an 8 + Mp camera with 1D Mk1 sharpness unless Foveon pull their fingers out :( and we'll just have to reside ourselves to that

http://www.luminous-landscape.com/reviews/lenses/forgotten-400.shtml

100% Crops from a 1D Mk1 using an old Sigma 170-500 (not exactly known for being the best lens on earth) WIDE OPEN



And for a REAL Laugh - Sigma 28-300 Compact 1D RAW 100% crops Wide open



I guess that I won't get the same performance from a Mk2 ;-)

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This post reminds me of when I first received my 1DS and, to my horror, realised all the images coming from it were distinctly soft at 100%, or in large print. Previously i had owned a D60, which reinvigorated my passion in photography (although the plastic build and AF left much to be desired), and I generally used the Canon 50mm 1.4 and 28-135mm non-L zoom with it.

When I received the 1DS (I received it before many of the reviews were published so was unaware of how harsh it was on poorer glass) I put these lenses straight to use with it and started shooting using a similar workflow to before...hence my disappointment. Cheaper lenses cannot maintain quality across the film plane and at various apertures, when using such a high resolving sensor.

As you can imagine I switched most of my lenses to better quality L glass (although I love the 50mm 1.4), and found that the 1DS was really quite incredibly sharp. I am still in awe of how 3-dimensional some images can look from that camera.

I have owned the 1D MkII for nearly a week now and must say that it IS natively sharp. The 16-35mm L lens does not do it justice (that lens never did on the 1DS!), and although at present I think the images require a little more USM, they appear as good as those from the 1DS (up to A3), and indeed better, in terms of noise and dynamic range, IMO.

I think that there will be much comment of the 1D MkII having issues with softness in these forums, when it is widely available, because of it's cheaper price and wider usage with photographers that tend not to use L glass.

Do you remember the sudden increase in signal-to-noise ratio on these forums when the 10D was released? :)
Here's Michael's review of the 400 F5.6 with crops from the 1DS
which have been post processed - he says that he doesn't have a
Duff 100-400L and we all know the 400 F5.6 to be a Stellar lens
wide open so it may give an idea as to the sort of glass needed to
make the most of these big CMOS Cameras..

the 1D Mk1 of course gets pixel level sharper than even the 1DS +
400 F5.6 - even with a crappola plastic mount consumer 80-200
F4.5-5.6 let alone an L but then it's not 8.2 or 11Mp is it.. I
very much doubt that there will EVER be an 8 + Mp camera with 1D
Mk1 sharpness unless Foveon pull their fingers out :( and we'll
just have to reside ourselves to that

http://www.luminous-landscape.com/reviews/lenses/forgotten-400.shtml

100% Crops from a 1D Mk1 using an old Sigma 170-500 (not exactly
known for being the best lens on earth) WIDE OPEN



And for a REAL Laugh - Sigma 28-300 Compact 1D RAW 100% crops Wide
open



I guess that I won't get the same performance from a Mk2 ;-)

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Can you post some unsharpened shots made with L glass?
And maybe a comparison shot with your Ds?

Stefan
When I received the 1DS (I received it before many of the reviews
were published so was unaware of how harsh it was on poorer glass)
I put these lenses straight to use with it and started shooting
using a similar workflow to before...hence my disappointment.
Cheaper lenses cannot maintain quality across the film plane and at
various apertures, when using such a high resolving sensor.

As you can imagine I switched most of my lenses to better quality L
glass (although I love the 50mm 1.4), and found that the 1DS was
really quite incredibly sharp. I am still in awe of how
3-dimensional some images can look from that camera.

I have owned the 1D MkII for nearly a week now and must say that it
IS natively sharp. The 16-35mm L lens does not do it justice
(that lens never did on the 1DS!), and although at present I think
the images require a little more USM, they appear as good as those
from the 1DS (up to A3), and indeed better, in terms of noise and
dynamic range, IMO.

I think that there will be much comment of the 1D MkII having
issues with softness in these forums, when it is widely available,
because of it's cheaper price and wider usage with photographers
that tend not to use L glass.

Do you remember the sudden increase in signal-to-noise ratio on
these forums when the 10D was released? :)
Here's Michael's review of the 400 F5.6 with crops from the 1DS
which have been post processed - he says that he doesn't have a
Duff 100-400L and we all know the 400 F5.6 to be a Stellar lens
wide open so it may give an idea as to the sort of glass needed to
make the most of these big CMOS Cameras..

the 1D Mk1 of course gets pixel level sharper than even the 1DS +
400 F5.6 - even with a crappola plastic mount consumer 80-200
F4.5-5.6 let alone an L but then it's not 8.2 or 11Mp is it.. I
very much doubt that there will EVER be an 8 + Mp camera with 1D
Mk1 sharpness unless Foveon pull their fingers out :( and we'll
just have to reside ourselves to that

http://www.luminous-landscape.com/reviews/lenses/forgotten-400.shtml

100% Crops from a 1D Mk1 using an old Sigma 170-500 (not exactly
known for being the best lens on earth) WIDE OPEN



And for a REAL Laugh - Sigma 28-300 Compact 1D RAW 100% crops Wide
open



I guess that I won't get the same performance from a Mk2 ;-)

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What you've said below, especially about certain lenses, sums up a great deal of my own thoughts about why they images we have seen, to a great deal, are disappointing to many...
Thank you, thank you !!
This post reminds me of when I first received my 1DS and, to my
horror, realised all the images coming from it were distinctly soft
at 100%, or in large print. Previously i had owned a D60, which
reinvigorated my passion in photography (although the plastic
build and AF left much to be desired), and I generally used the
Canon 50mm 1.4 and 28-135mm non-L zoom with it.

When I received the 1DS (I received it before many of the reviews
were published so was unaware of how harsh it was on poorer glass)
I put these lenses straight to use with it and started shooting
using a similar workflow to before...hence my disappointment.
Cheaper lenses cannot maintain quality across the film plane and at
various apertures, when using such a high resolving sensor.

As you can imagine I switched most of my lenses to better quality L
glass (although I love the 50mm 1.4), and found that the 1DS was
really quite incredibly sharp. I am still in awe of how
3-dimensional some images can look from that camera.

I have owned the 1D MkII for nearly a week now and must say that it
IS natively sharp. The 16-35mm L lens does not do it justice
(that lens never did on the 1DS!), and although at present I think
the images require a little more USM, they appear as good as those
from the 1DS (up to A3), and indeed better, in terms of noise and
dynamic range, IMO.

I think that there will be much comment of the 1D MkII having
issues with softness in these forums, when it is widely available,
because of it's cheaper price and wider usage with photographers
that tend not to use L glass.

Do you remember the sudden increase in signal-to-noise ratio on
these forums when the 10D was released? :)
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What you've said below, especially about certain lenses, sums up a
great deal of my own thoughts about why they images we have seen,
to a great deal, are disappointing to many...
I think MR's lens review summed it up even though it was the 1DS - the 100-400L maybe great on a D30 or D60 but doesn't cut it on a 1DS was his summary somewhere, same for the 28-135IS and It's not just about soft corners..

I've never thought that the 16-35L was worth anywhere near the price (after having a lemon and trying four others), it just looked good on release because it looked great after the awful 17-35L - the 17-40 may not be overall any sharper but it's HALF the price, has the same build and at least manages to keep a frame looking sharpness linear (the 16-35 soft corners on a D60/10D!) - whatever, it was stupid of canon to put a camera out to reviewers with a compromised WA Zoom, even more stupid to put it out with a damn F2.8 one !.. that camera should have reached them with a 135F2 and a 24-70L , if it had, Dave Etchells wouldn't have had to go borrowing a 50mm F1.8 to see what the camera did with decent glass!..

Looks like the days of "anything goes for sharp results" regarding lenses, started and ended with the 1D MK1 - time to move on and see what the Mk2 can really do , no more 35-80s for Adam-T, I'll have to use my work glass All the time for leisure with this beasite..

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Great post! If at all possible I would LOVE to see a sample or two that you consider to be sharp taken with your 50 1.4 or L prime if you have one! I would really like a good guage as to the sharpness of the images with heavy sharpening applied in-camera as this is how I may use the camera professionally with high-volume sports shooting. Any samples would be great, thanks!

-Ken

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LOL.

I wouldn't even think of using my 28-135 on my MK II when it arrives. I will use my primes and my one piece of L glass.
My 10D can have the 28-135 lens.
Grin
What you've said below, especially about certain lenses, sums up a
great deal of my own thoughts about why they images we have seen,
to a great deal, are disappointing to many...
I think MR's lens review summed it up even though it was the 1DS -
the 100-400L maybe great on a D30 or D60 but doesn't cut it on a
1DS was his summary somewhere, same for the 28-135IS and It's not
just about soft corners..

I've never thought that the 16-35L was worth anywhere near the
price (after having a lemon and trying four others), it just looked
good on release because it looked great after the awful 17-35L -
the 17-40 may not be overall any sharper but it's HALF the price,
has the same build and at least manages to keep a frame looking
sharpness linear (the 16-35 soft corners on a D60/10D!) - whatever,
it was stupid of canon to put a camera out to reviewers with a
compromised WA Zoom, even more stupid to put it out with a damn
F2.8 one !.. that camera should have reached them with a 135F2 and
a 24-70L , if it had, Dave Etchells wouldn't have had to go
borrowing a 50mm F1.8 to see what the camera did with decent
glass!..

Looks like the days of "anything goes for sharp results" regarding
lenses, started and ended with the 1D MK1 - time to move on and see
what the Mk2 can really do , no more 35-80s for Adam-T, I'll have
to use my work glass All the time for leisure with this beasite..

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I wouldn't even think of using my 28-135 on my MK II when it
arrives. I will use my primes and my one piece of L glass.
My 10D can have the 28-135 lens.
Well, you (may) have seen the crops from the Mk1 and Sigma 28-300 I posted above, as you can imagine, that lens won't be seeing the Mk2, It's now resting on an old D30 we picked up for Rach as a kickabout - works on that as well as it does on the 1D (Old AF system likes Sigma lenses I guess) .. I sold the 28-135IS as it's not as good as hers and knew it wouldn't cut muster on the Mk2 as it didn't on my mate's 1DS..

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I am trying out both the 16-35 and 17-40 over the next month to decide which one I will get, then I already have the 50mm 1.4, 100mm 2.8 macro, 70-200 2.8L and 1.4 converter II.
I will occasionally use other L lenses on it as assignments dictate.
I wouldn't even think of using my 28-135 on my MK II when it
arrives. I will use my primes and my one piece of L glass.
My 10D can have the 28-135 lens.
Well, you (may) have seen the crops from the Mk1 and Sigma 28-300 I
posted above, as you can imagine, that lens won't be seeing the
Mk2, It's now resting on an old D30 we picked up for Rach as a
kickabout - works on that as well as it does on the 1D (Old AF
system likes Sigma lenses I guess) .. I sold the 28-135IS as it's
not as good as hers and knew it wouldn't cut muster on the Mk2 as
it didn't on my mate's 1DS..

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Studio work / portraits - 1Ds (I have to have the FF for my wides)

Sports - 1D MKII (I need the speed for the NBA shots and the better ISO 800 that I'm forced to use in the lighting conditions)
 
I am trying out both the 16-35 and 17-40 over the next month to
decide which one I will get, then I already have the 50mm 1.4,
100mm 2.8 macro, 70-200 2.8L and 1.4 converter II.
I will occasionally use other L lenses on it as assignments dictate.
Well you've got a good lineup - you MAY find the far less compromised 24-70L a far better choice as on a 1.3X body you get about an effective 31-90mm which is excellent - It's a way better lens than ANY Ultra wide angle, prime, zoom or otherwise

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