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Yes, but do you post pictures of yourself on baseball websites, bat on your shoulder ready to swing, with a giants uniform on? The intent (and pose) is patently obvious. I applaud you're ability to overlook the obvious. I will not.

Off-topic? Yes, perhaps. Unrelated? Absolutely not. Ethics are ethics, and so too is hypocrisy.

Should I care? Here you are absolutely correct. I should not.
photodood said:
He shoots wildlife and is a fan of National Geographic. THAT is
what I take from the photo.

I have a San Francisco Giants hat (ok...several) and guess
what....I don't play for the team. Oh and guess what else (this
will blow your mind)...I have a photo of myself in said hat at the
ballpark! The nerve of me!

Siiiiggggghhhhhh....Since you have nothing better to do, please go
answer my flash question.

Thanks in advance for your patronage....

(geeez, at least my rant was on-topic)

This guy has been nothing less then courteous and you people start
attacking his HAT?

Sad
Madmardigan said:
I just can't take this guy's complaint seriously, when he's so
patently guilty of essentially the same ethical transgression that
he waxes wounded about.

Pretense is pathetic....whether it's stealing photographs, or posing.
Mike Cartwright said:
Madmardigan said:
Ron,

Not to be controversial here....

do you shoot for Nat'l Geographic?

Presenting another persons work as your own is indeed wrong.
Presenting yourself as something you're not, is also wrong.
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The answer is on his webpage....very nice photos , especially the
flight shots....also nice hat...
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'Every gun that is made, every warship launched,
every rocket fired, signifies in the final sense
a theft from those who hunger and are not fed,
those who are cold and are not clothed.'

-- President Dwight D. Eisenhower
April 16, 1953
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http://www.dphoto.us/forumphotos/showgallery.php/cat/500/ppuser/511
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'Every gun that is made, every warship launched,
every rocket fired, signifies in the final sense
a theft from those who hunger and are not fed,
those who are cold and are not clothed.'

-- President Dwight D. Eisenhower
April 16, 1953
 
So, the guy is a fan of National Geographic and has a hat indicating that. There was nothing in his post here indicating that he shot photos for the magazine. To follow up on the other thread from your comment. MANY people play baseball/basketball/football wearing hats/shirts from a professional team, but no one thinks that they're trying to pass themselves off as member of that team.

Do you own any clothing with a logo? Do you make sure never to wear it when anyone without a brain might think that this logo applies to you?

Anyway, time to get back to something that matters.

--
Jeff Peterman

Any insults, implied anger, bad grammar and bad spelling, are entirely unintentionalal. Sorry.

 
either way you take it, it's not a good thing when folks steal images, period.
 
that's just rediculous. his photo was stolen, he didn't steal the hat.
 
Madmardigan said:
I just can't take this guy's complaint seriously, when he's so
patently guilty of essentially the same ethical transgression that
he waxes wounded about.
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Huh? First, not even the same thing at all. For it to be the same, he would have to have stolen the design for it (cut the logo off one hat) then badly attached it to another hat (with glue).

Second, I see that hat and I think he subscribes to NG. I'm pretty sure a NG photographer would not wear such a hat for work. I'm thinking one that more effectively covers the neck as well would make more sense.

Brett
 
Richard Katris said:
starters....what is the image worth? Could it have been sold
multiple times for $000s of $?
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First of all, it's irrelevent what the image is worth. All photographs are copyrighted at the point of creation. Including all the crappy ones.
Richard Katris said:
.....PUBLISHED WITHOUT COPYRIGHT
claim makes it public domain....
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Stop living in 1989. The laws have changed. This was once true but is no longer valid. For works first published before March 1, 1989, a copyright notice was necessary to prevent the work from falling into the public domain. For works published on or after that date, use of a copyright is optional. The use of the © symbol strengthens protection and allows for collection of more damages but using it is not required. You should always assume a photo is copyrighted unless specifically informed otherwise. The proper form of notice is '©" or "Copyright" or "Copr." followed by the year of first creation, followed by the name owner. Furthermore, 17 U.S.C. § 401 (d) states: "If a notice of copyright in the form and position specified by this section appears on the published copy or copies to which a defendant in a copyright infringement suit had access, then no weight shall be given to such a defendant's interposition of a defense based on innocent infringement in mitigation of actual or statutory damages, except as provided in the last sentence of section 504(c)(2)." In short, it means you can't play dumb and try to limited damages based on innocent infringement if the © symbol is in place.
Richard Katris said:
Calendar company comes out with it (if it was high enough res to
publish) and what you going to do sue?
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Simple. You sue the calendar company.
Richard Katris said:
They will claim quite
correctly that they got it off the internet and that there was NO
claimed copyright...or that they got the permission from the
claimant to copyright...the guy who posted it did claim
copyright.....so you going to sue him and make lots? He will got
bankrupt the day after you win in court,and you will be out $10,000
in legal fees, and get no compensation, and the calendar company
will walk......At the most you would get "fair market" for use of
the image, which would probably be less than $2000 in that type of
usage....
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Actually, the fine is up to $150,000 in statutory damage and 3 times the market value. Hope they sold a lot of calendars.

--
http://www.PatYuen.com
 
Heed,

There's a reason this guy has to answer this question all the time....

Whatever. I'm done.
Jeff Peterman said:
So, the guy is a fan of National Geographic and has a hat
indicating that. There was nothing in his post here indicating that
he shot photos for the magazine. To follow up on the other thread
from your comment. MANY people play baseball/basketball/football
wearing hats/shirts from a professional team, but no one thinks
that they're trying to pass themselves off as member of that team.

Do you own any clothing with a logo? Do you make sure never to wear
it when anyone without a brain might think that this logo applies
to you?

Anyway, time to get back to something that matters.

--
Jeff Peterman
Any insults, implied anger, bad grammar and bad spelling, are
entirely unintentionalal. Sorry.

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'Every gun that is made, every warship launched,
every rocket fired, signifies in the final sense
a theft from those who hunger and are not fed,
those who are cold and are not clothed.'

-- President Dwight D. Eisenhower
April 16, 1953
 
This guy does need to get a life and you hit the nail on the head. I'm sure the fellow got the cap with his subcription to NG, besides like another poster said " a real NG photographer would never wear a NG ball cap"

Jack

--
http://www.pbase.com/joneill
 
What I find interesting in all this, is that out of all the pictures of wild life that are on the internet, what are the odds of a person finding a stolen picture of their's on a site so conveniently.
 
I take strong issue with what you have said. As a dedicated cap wearer for at least the last 35 years of my life I find your position to be laughable at best. Over the years I've worn hundreds of caps with various logos and never did I once try to pass myself off as being whatever the logo said. I wore caps with my local fire department logo on them because I was on that "team". I also many times wore a cap with the Washington Redskins logo on it. I certainly didn't fool myself into believing I was a pro football player and wearing that cap didn't make anyone else think I was on the Skins team. I've never owned a National Geographic cap but I would wear one with pride and without selfish intent even while shooting. I'm sure the author of this thread didn't mean to pass himself off as a NG photographer and it takes a big stretch on your part to think he did. I think you owe him an apology for your absurd post.
Madmardigan said:
I just can't take this guy's complaint seriously, when he's so
patently guilty of essentially the same ethical transgression that
he waxes wounded about.

Pretense is pathetic....whether it's stealing photographs, or posing.
Mike Cartwright said:
Madmardigan said:
Ron,

Not to be controversial here....

do you shoot for Nat'l Geographic?

Presenting another persons work as your own is indeed wrong.
Presenting yourself as something you're not, is also wrong.
Click to expand...
The answer is on his webpage....very nice photos , especially the
flight shots....also nice hat...
Click to expand...
'Every gun that is made, every warship launched,
every rocket fired, signifies in the final sense
a theft from those who hunger and are not fed,
those who are cold and are not clothed.'

-- President Dwight D. Eisenhower
April 16, 1953
Click to expand...
 
Madmardigan said:
Ron,

Not to be controversial here....

do you shoot for Nat'l Geographic?

Presenting another persons work as your own is indeed wrong.
Presenting yourself as something you're not, is also wrong.

If you do shoot for NG....thanks! That's a job I would kill (but
not copy) for.

Just a thought.
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Following your own logic (and it's a stretch describing your line of thinking as logic!) he'd better shoot for Canon as well, because that logo is also clearly visible in his signature thumbnail!

You're clearly way out of line on this...

--
Regards,

Rudi
http://www.rudiphoto.net/
 
Mr. Hodgson,

You may have seen that I had some questions regarding your motivations for wearing a Nat'l Geographic hat in your sig photo.

Having now seen various people taking strong offense to my question(s), I have decided that perhaps I was being unduly critical and judgemental. As is the case for each of us at one time or another, it helps to hear other people's perspective.

At any rate...I have been rightfully chastised, and hope you'll allow me to fully retract my comments.

Whatever. It still sucks that that guy was poaching your pictures.

'Every gun that is made, every warship launched,
every rocket fired, signifies in the final sense
a theft from those who hunger and are not fed,
those who are cold and are not clothed.'

-- President Dwight D. Eisenhower
April 16, 1953
 
Bravo! It takes a big man to admit a mistake! We've all been guilty of overreacting on these forums at some time, and it's good to see someone take a step back and keep an open mind - not all do!

Good on yer, Madmardigan! :-)

Rudi
Madmardigan said:
Mr. Hodgson,

You may have seen that I had some questions regarding your
motivations for wearing a Nat'l Geographic hat in your sig photo.

Having now seen various people taking strong offense to my
question(s), I have decided that perhaps I was being unduly
critical and judgemental. As is the case for each of us at one time
or another, it helps to hear other people's perspective.

At any rate...I have been rightfully chastised, and hope you'll
allow me to fully retract my comments.

Whatever. It still sucks that that guy was poaching your pictures.

'Every gun that is made, every warship launched,
every rocket fired, signifies in the final sense
a theft from those who hunger and are not fed,
those who are cold and are not clothed.'

-- President Dwight D. Eisenhower
April 16, 1953
Click to expand...
--
Regards,

Rudi
http://www.rudiphoto.net/
 
Madmardigan said:
Yes, but do you post pictures of yourself on baseball websites, bat
on your shoulder ready to swing, with a giants uniform on? The
intent (and pose) is patently obvious. I applaud you're ability to
overlook the obvious. I will not.
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The first thing I thought when I saw him in the hat with the 10D and the 100-400L is that he is a National Geographic photographer... He certainly has the equipment, but more importantly, perusing his photographs, I can tell he has the talent. It would be interesting if he actually does work for National Geopgraphic. My assumption is that he doesn't, but I would validate that assumption before calling him a hypocrite and claiming that he's using the hat for false advertisement of his skills.
-Mike
 
Do Anyboby know where to get that Cannon logo baseball cap?
Just curious, I've searched it from web ... but no hit.
-Ari-
Richard said:
From a stolen photo to a National Geographic hat. You gotta love
the diversity of these forums.

Hat is avalable here for $16.00

http://shop.nationalgeographic.com/shopping/product/detailmain.jsp?itemID=937&itemType=PRODUCT&iMainCat=215&iSubCat=336&iProductID=937
Richard
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  • Ari -


http://www.sci.fi/~ajr/ ; (16-35 L pictures)
http://koti.phnet.fi/arriutto/index.html ; (24-70 L pictures)
http://personal.fimnet.fi/koti/ari.riutto/ ; (100-400 L IS shots)
 
if i wore a canon or nikon hat the way he did would it mean that i am a canon or nikon employee ? or would it mean that i am a fan? hmmm? tell me!

by the way, they do sell those hats in case you aren't up to date with current times - and if he bought it or if it was given to him as a gift he can wear it however/whenever he wants - please do get over yourself.
Madmardigan said:
Off-topic? Yes, perhaps. Unrelated? Absolutely not. Ethics are
ethics, and so too is hypocrisy.

Should I care? Here you are absolutely correct. I should not.
photodood said:
He shoots wildlife and is a fan of National Geographic. THAT is
what I take from the photo.

I have a San Francisco Giants hat (ok...several) and guess
what....I don't play for the team. Oh and guess what else (this
will blow your mind)...I have a photo of myself in said hat at the
ballpark! The nerve of me!

Siiiiggggghhhhhh....Since you have nothing better to do, please go
answer my flash question.

Thanks in advance for your patronage....

(geeez, at least my rant was on-topic)

This guy has been nothing less then courteous and you people start
attacking his HAT?

Sad
Madmardigan said:
I just can't take this guy's complaint seriously, when he's so
patently guilty of essentially the same ethical transgression that
he waxes wounded about.

Pretense is pathetic....whether it's stealing photographs, or posing.
Mike Cartwright said:
Madmardigan said:
Ron,

Not to be controversial here....

do you shoot for Nat'l Geographic?

Presenting another persons work as your own is indeed wrong.
Presenting yourself as something you're not, is also wrong.
Click to expand...
The answer is on his webpage....very nice photos , especially the
flight shots....also nice hat...
Click to expand...
'Every gun that is made, every warship launched,
every rocket fired, signifies in the final sense
a theft from those who hunger and are not fed,
those who are cold and are not clothed.'

-- President Dwight D. Eisenhower
April 16, 1953
Click to expand...
--
http://www.dphoto.us/forumphotos/showgallery.php/cat/500/ppuser/511
Click to expand...
--
'Every gun that is made, every warship launched,
every rocket fired, signifies in the final sense
a theft from those who hunger and are not fed,
those who are cold and are not clothed.'

-- President Dwight D. Eisenhower
April 16, 1953
Click to expand...
--
GiGo
 
Madmardigan said:
Mr. Hodgson,

You may have seen that I had some questions regarding your
motivations for wearing a Nat'l Geographic hat in your sig photo.

Having now seen various people taking strong offense to my
question(s), I have decided that perhaps I was being unduly
critical and judgemental. As is the case for each of us at one time
or another, it helps to hear other people's perspective.

At any rate...I have been rightfully chastised, and hope you'll
allow me to fully retract my comments.

Whatever. It still sucks that that guy was poaching your pictures.
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Note to self: Apparently 30+ years of experience and a boatload of gear qualifies one to make shamefully idiotic statements and then offer a "retraction" in lieu of a well deserved apology. Realize that it's possible to become rich in experience but bankrupt in common sense. Understand that some people are just (expletives deleted). Consider investing in whoever makes Prozac. "whatever" LOL Signing off.
 
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