>>> Challenge 12: Light - Voting Thread <<<

The numbers above the radio buttons are actually a weighting, and not the actual points. The points are displayed after the radio buttons and cannot be edited directly. The votes for all 5 images add up to 5 points regardless of the weighting you chose. If you gave each image a 5, they each got 1 point.

--Garrett
Ok, I accept the blame for my stupidity on this but.........

NOWHERE in this voting thread are there voting rules / parameters
listed!!

SOOOOO, what did I do????

I followed your link to the 'voting booth" again, no voting rules /
parameters listed.

I picked out 5 choices (that's how many options were shown)

I voted up to 5 (!) points for each image....'cause that's how many
options were shown)

So, I can assure you, I went OVER the 16 point limit per gallery.....
only reminded by Andy Williams, who was nice enough to let me know
through email).

Whatsup now? Can I "fix it" ? How do I fix it?

What a mess,
Markjay
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http://www.pbase.com/garrettlau
 
Gayle........

you TOTALLY misunderstood / misread what I was saying about no name on the image, etc.

Here's my point:

Voting is VERY time consuming. I happen not to have alot of this right now
(time)

I have spent a great deal of TIME, looking at all the images and their rep image thumbs for day, commenting on MANY of the images!

Now it was time for voting.... and I didn't have a lot of time on my hands....

so I focused my attention on the images that I liked that HAD the artist name readily handy / available / under the thumb image, where it SHOULD be.

This did NOT mean I didn't vote for someone I didn't "know". In fact I was making an effort to vote for someone NEW who's image I liked......

everybody deserves a chance

Ok? I hope I cleared THAT mistaken meaning up for everyone!

Markjay
The comment you left in the exhibition gallery voting booth has me
wondering. Why did photos without the photographers name on the
thumbnail NOT capture your attention? Are you casting a vote for
the photo or the photographer?

I never put my name on the thumbnail......I want my photos to stand
on their own merits. Does that mean that you never consider my
photos when you are voting? Do you even look at them?

I am interested to know....I am sure that the other photographers
who don't add their name to the thumbnail are also interested to
know why their photos didn't capture your attention too. Some of
them are superb.

Gayle

--
'We don't make a photograph with just a camera. We bring to the act
of photography all the books we have read, the movies we have seen,
the music we have heard and the people we have loved.' Ansel Adams



http://shot2shot.no-ip.com
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Photography allows me the opportunity to share what I see through my viewfinder, with those who can apprecaite the beauty of the world around us.
 
Read my message post: http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1019&message=8314954

I hope this clears up a few things :-)

Markjay
There was a time a few challenges ago where I believed some images
might have been getting votes based on who they were shot by.
Someone else suggested totally anonymous entries (with your details
logged with the host) but that was quickly rejected for many, many
reasons.

A compromise was sort of reached when someone suggested leaving the
name off the Thumbnail, just logging in the "Author's Name" field.
Personally, I believe this is a very good system and removes any
unintentional bias ("Ooh, that one's by John Smith, I'll have a
look at that") and hopefully gets everyone looking at all the
images.

I'd be saddened to think that any of my images weren't being voted
on because of this (as opposed to them not being good enough!).

Phil
I don't interpret the rules to mean that you have to have a name on
the thumbnail. Just as long as there is a name registered in the
picture details.

I have a feeling it's quite common in groups like this to be
influenced by who the photographer is when you comment and vote.
Which is exactly why I don't put my name on the thumbnail, but DO
attach it to the photo in the gallery. This does not make it a
blind voting system......all the names are there in the galleries,
but it makes it a little fairer, because then ALL the
interesting/good/dramatic/well composed photos get clicked on and
looked at...not just the ones taken by those who's work you already
know and admire.

I am just curious to know why Mark dismissed, out of hand, all the
photos that did not have the names on the thumbnails. Does having
the name there make it a better photo?

Gayle
The comment you left in the exhibition gallery voting booth has me
wondering. Why did photos without the photographers name on the
thumbnail NOT capture your attention? Are you casting a vote for
the photo or the photographer?

I never put my name on the thumbnail......I want my photos to stand
on their own merits. Does that mean that you never consider my
photos when you are voting? Do you even look at them?

I am interested to know....I am sure that the other photographers
who don't add their name to the thumbnail are also interested to
know why their photos didn't capture your attention too. Some of
them are superb.

Gayle

--
'We don't make a photograph with just a camera. We bring to the act
of photography all the books we have read, the movies we have seen,
the music we have heard and the people we have loved.' Ansel Adams



http://shot2shot.no-ip.com
--
'We don't make a photograph with just a camera. We bring to the act
of photography all the books we have read, the movies we have seen,
the music we have heard and the people we have loved.' Ansel Adams



http://shot2shot.no-ip.com
--
http://www.pbase.com/whqttt/
--

Photography allows me the opportunity to share what I see through my viewfinder, with those who can apprecaite the beauty of the world around us.
 
You didn't exceed the limit - the booth won't let you!

Assuming you awared the points in order 5,4,3,2,1, the votes that actually get cast for you are:
1.7, 1.3, 1, 0.7, 0.3

You actually only have 5 points to award, and the system then works out the points based on the "weighting" you give. (Confused me the first time, too)

Phil
Ok, I accept the blame for my stupidity on this but.........

NOWHERE in this voting thread are there voting rules / parameters
listed!!

SOOOOO, what did I do????

I followed your link to the 'voting booth" again, no voting rules /
parameters listed.

I picked out 5 choices (that's how many options were shown)

I voted up to 5 (!) points for each image....'cause that's how many
options were shown)

So, I can assure you, I went OVER the 16 point limit per gallery.....
only reminded by Andy Williams, who was nice enough to let me know
through email).

Whatsup now? Can I "fix it" ? How do I fix it?

What a mess,
Markjay
--
http://www.pbase.com/whqttt/
 
Gayle, Gayle, Gayle........

whatever am I going to do with you!!! :-)

Let me clear this up for you..... again, please.

When I went to the voting booth I did NOT know / see right away,that you could SHOW the thumbnails next to the "I.D" numbers. I was short on time..... big time!! I did not have time to click on every single image that did not have a name on the thumb. Remember, my time was short and I really wanted to vote! There were SOOO many great images both with and without thumb artist name listed...... I just picked from the ones that HAD the artist listed with the thumb.

Again, NO other meaning behind my thought process. If anyone here at this forum is blindfolded when they vote (NOT influenced by the artist)...

it's me!!!

Every voting challenge, I try very hard to give a newbie a chance. I group all the images I like together, then I'll sometimes pick a "newbie" to vote for..... so everyone has a chance, regardless of who they are or how long they've been a member.

Ok, I'm DONE with this subject.

Have a nice day,
Markjay
I don't interpret the rules to mean that you have to have a name on
the thumbnail. Just as long as there is a name registered in the
picture details.

I have a feeling it's quite common in groups like this to be
influenced by who the photographer is when you comment and vote.
Which is exactly why I don't put my name on the thumbnail, but DO
attach it to the photo in the gallery. This does not make it a
blind voting system......all the names are there in the galleries,
but it makes it a little fairer, because then ALL the
interesting/good/dramatic/well composed photos get clicked on and
looked at...not just the ones taken by those who's work you already
know and admire.

I am just curious to know why Mark dismissed, out of hand, all the
photos that did not have the names on the thumbnails. Does having
the name there make it a better photo?

Gayle
The comment you left in the exhibition gallery voting booth has me
wondering. Why did photos without the photographers name on the
thumbnail NOT capture your attention? Are you casting a vote for
the photo or the photographer?

I never put my name on the thumbnail......I want my photos to stand
on their own merits. Does that mean that you never consider my
photos when you are voting? Do you even look at them?

I am interested to know....I am sure that the other photographers
who don't add their name to the thumbnail are also interested to
know why their photos didn't capture your attention too. Some of
them are superb.

Gayle

--
'We don't make a photograph with just a camera. We bring to the act
of photography all the books we have read, the movies we have seen,
the music we have heard and the people we have loved.' Ansel Adams



http://shot2shot.no-ip.com
--
'We don't make a photograph with just a camera. We bring to the act
of photography all the books we have read, the movies we have seen,
the music we have heard and the people we have loved.' Ansel Adams



http://shot2shot.no-ip.com
--

Photography allows me the opportunity to share what I see through my viewfinder, with those who can apprecaite the beauty of the world around us.
 
that name on the thumbnail syndrome was exactly why I tried that stupid trick with the anonymous picture last time.
 
Are you sure your vote was recorded?

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-Jack
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and offer your comments. The fastest way for me to learn is when you tell me what I'm doing right and what I'm doing wrong, what you like and what you don't. I welcome all opinions. :)



WARNING: 10D-itis is contagious!!!!!!!
 
OK, that must have come across wrong...I was simply pointing out that I appreciated seeing the different interpretations. Not at all trying to say that your way was 'wrong'. No harm, no foul...just saying that I liked the effects.

You've been a valuable contributor to this forum and the challenges, so I was not trying to belittle your opinion, just stating my own.

Good luck in the competition!!!
CT
In choosing, I looked for photos where the lighting was what made the
shot. I seemed to steer away from "special-effects" and pictures of
lights - that's not what the challenge was about to me.
I guess this really exemplifies the saying 'to each his own'.
Seems many of the entries look liberty in defining light, and many
also took the opportunity to use their imagination in the
shots...that is what I really liked about this competition (and all
the competitions), I get so many good ideas and effects I want to
try after seeing all the great entries.
Let me clarify: I didn't say it was WRONG to try "special effects"
or shooting lights, I just wanted to explain why I chose like I
did. My personal preferences are just such that I am much more
impressed with a simple shot supported by good lighting, than I am
with an advanced shot of some unusual light source or phenomenon.
That's why I specifically wrote "to me".

Yes, you are so right in "to each his own"! In voting in these
challenges, I would hope and expect all to vote strictly according
to their own tastes and preferences - and no doubt, the votes will
spread on many different images. Thank goodness for that!

To sum it up: I wrote what I wrote to share the thoughts I had
during voting - not to say that other interpretations were inferior
in any way...

--
Olaf

I come from a flat land of horizontal sunlight and horizontal rains...

--
http://www.CraftyAg.com
 
I just tried to vote again in the exhibition gallery and I am still getting the "Error on Page" error!

Please help.

It is gonna be a big drag if I can't vote in these compititions!

Patt.

i
Time to start voting, and as already mentioned this time we'll try
online automated voting in the new "CSLR Challenge Voting Booth" at

http://www.liteserv.com/cslrvotebooth/index.php

Please go on over there and start putting down your votes! (Note:
There seems to be a one hour time difference for some reason so the
voting booth may not be open for another hour). The booth will stay
open for two days, after its closing I'll update the galleries to
reflect the final standings.

This is new to me as well so I hope those of you who have used this
system before can help with any questions.

Please also use this thread to discuss if you like this system of
voting and if it should be used for future challenges.

Thanks!
Anders
--
http://www.pbase.com/dptin
 
OK, that must have come across wrong...I was simply pointing out
that I appreciated seeing the different interpretations. Not at
all trying to say that your way was 'wrong'. No harm, no
foul...just saying that I liked the effects.
I didn't think that was what you were saying, but wasn't quite sure how to interpret your reply. I chose to clarify myself - to make sure I wasn't misunderstood...
You've been a valuable contributor to this forum and the
challenges, so I was not trying to belittle your opinion, just
stating my own.
Good luck in the competition!!!
Thanks and likewise!

--
Olaf

PS. Looking at your votes, I notice that, after all, we agree on which photos really stood out in this challenge. I think most - if not all - of your votes are among my votes or honorable mentions. Yes, I even have Electric Jellyfish* by Jon Stern on my list of honorable mentions, in spite of what I said about special effects and such... Thanks for your vote on my shot (On the Path of Light*) by the way!
 
The artists name does not have to be on the thumbnail.....that was established a few challenges ago. And I still don't understand why it needs to be there for voting. But each to their own, I will continue to leave my name off the thumbnail, as I prefer my photo to be looked at because people like what they see in the thumbnail.....or not bother cos they don't like what they see. I don't want anyone to be influenced by whether I took the photo by seeing my name first.

Everyone has their own agenda when voting, and you are not alone in having little time.

My votes are cast for the 5 photographs I like the best, and that best fit the theme. I don't vote for obvious Photoshop composites....others seem to love them. I also don't cast my votes based on who's been around for a while/won a previous challenge vs new entrants. It's the photo that counts. For me, it will always be about the photo and not the photographer (or the camera, for that matter).

Gayle :-)
you TOTALLY misunderstood / misread what I was saying about no name
on the image, etc.

Here's my point:

Voting is VERY time consuming. I happen not to have alot of this
right now
(time)

I have spent a great deal of TIME, looking at all the images and
their rep image thumbs for day, commenting on MANY of the images!

Now it was time for voting.... and I didn't have a lot of time on
my hands....
so I focused my attention on the images that I liked that HAD the
artist name readily handy / available / under the thumb image,
where it SHOULD be.

This did NOT mean I didn't vote for someone I didn't "know". In
fact I was making an effort to vote for someone NEW who's image I
liked......

everybody deserves a chance

Ok? I hope I cleared THAT mistaken meaning up for everyone!

Markjay
The comment you left in the exhibition gallery voting booth has me
wondering. Why did photos without the photographers name on the
thumbnail NOT capture your attention? Are you casting a vote for
the photo or the photographer?

I never put my name on the thumbnail......I want my photos to stand
on their own merits. Does that mean that you never consider my
photos when you are voting? Do you even look at them?

I am interested to know....I am sure that the other photographers
who don't add their name to the thumbnail are also interested to
know why their photos didn't capture your attention too. Some of
them are superb.

Gayle

--
'We don't make a photograph with just a camera. We bring to the act
of photography all the books we have read, the movies we have seen,
the music we have heard and the people we have loved.' Ansel Adams



http://shot2shot.no-ip.com
--
Photography allows me the opportunity to share what I see through
my viewfinder, with those who can apprecaite the beauty of the
world around us.
--

'We don't make a photograph with just a camera. We bring to the act of photography all the books we have read, the movies we have seen, the music we have heard and the people we have loved.' Ansel Adams



http://shot2shot.no-ip.com
 
Please also use this thread to discuss if you like this system of
voting and if it should be used for future challenges.
At the risk of sounding like a conservative who does not care for change [that's not really me in other respects (but sometimes I do tend to adhere to "if it ain't broke, don't try to fix it")] - I will say that I prefer the old way of voting... Somehow it just seems simpler. For one thing, keeping track of what photos each individual has voted for, has become more burdensome with the booth. Another advantage I see in the old way of doing it, is that I only need to keep track of two different sites, instead of three.

I'd imagine the booth makes it a little harder on the new-comer or uninitiated dpr-reader, who has no experience with these challenges and has to get aquainted with not only Pbase, but also the booth. I know that's how I felt when I saw the CTF-challenges for the first time. I never really got involved in those, because of this initial barrier! (I tried to vote once, but felt very unsure of what I was doing and didn't undstand how to see the pictures bigger than the thumbnails shown in the booth).

Not that this is real a big deal to me - I can easily adapt to the booth if that's where we're headed. I found it relatively simple to use and like the fact that you cannot see other peoples' votes until you've cast your own.
--
Olaf

I come from a flat land of horizontal sunlight and horizontal rains...

 
In the CTF Challenges, it was established that photographer names NOT be part of the image name. This was to make the voting less biased as the booth only picks up the image name. Photographers' names were to be included in the owner section of the pbase data.

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-Jack
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CTF Challenge Vote Booth: http://www.liteserv.com/ctfvotebooth
GALLERY: http://lens.liteserv.com
Gear: see Profile
 
I am trying to figure out a way to maintain the javascript verification of the form to make it easier if you need to change a vote. Before, if your vote was denied and you clicked the back button, the page would reload and you would need to start all over again.

Try again, I have taken a new approach at it. For some reason, your machine didn't like the code even though I use the same browser version as you.

-Jack
Patt.
-Jack
You did fix the error on page though! Thanks alot.

Patt.
Does the rest of the booth work for you? Do the thumbnails load as
you vote?

--
-Jack
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CTF Challenge Vote Booth: http://www.liteserv.com/ctfvotebooth
GALLERY: http://lens.liteserv.com
Gear: see Profile
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http://www.pbase.com/dptin
--
-Jack
==================
Weblog: http://jacksarse.com
CTF Challenge Vote Booth: http://www.liteserv.com/ctfvotebooth
GALLERY: http://lens.liteserv.com
Gear: see Profile
--
http://www.pbase.com/dptin
--
-Jack
==================
Weblog: http://jacksarse.com
CTF Challenge Vote Booth: http://www.liteserv.com/ctfvotebooth
GALLERY: http://lens.liteserv.com
Gear: see Profile
 
I expect you are right. He fixed something for me in the eligible category for me when I got the error last night. He wanted me to try exhibition last night I did and got the error - but by that time he was gone.
I'm happy to wait I just dont want to get missed! :)

Patt
I just tried to vote again in the exhibition gallery and I am still
getting the "Error on Page" error!

Please help.

It is gonna be a big drag if I can't vote in these compititions!
Probably best wait for Jack to catch up with these posts. I'm sure
he'll do what he can when he can.

--
iso3200
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http://www.imageattic.net/gallery
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http://www.pbase.com/dptin
 
Patt
I just tried to vote again in the exhibition gallery and I am still
getting the "Error on Page" error!

Please help.

It is gonna be a big drag if I can't vote in these compititions!
Probably best wait for Jack to catch up with these posts. I'm sure
he'll do what he can when he can.

--
iso3200
----------
http://www.imageattic.net/gallery
--
http://www.pbase.com/dptin
--
-Jack
==================
Weblog: http://jacksarse.com
CTF Challenge Vote Booth: http://www.liteserv.com/ctfvotebooth
GALLERY: http://lens.liteserv.com
Gear: see Profile
 
Patt
I just tried to vote again in the exhibition gallery and I am still
getting the "Error on Page" error!

Please help.

It is gonna be a big drag if I can't vote in these compititions!
Probably best wait for Jack to catch up with these posts. I'm sure
he'll do what he can when he can.

--
iso3200
----------
http://www.imageattic.net/gallery
--
http://www.pbase.com/dptin
--
-Jack
==================
Weblog: http://jacksarse.com
CTF Challenge Vote Booth: http://www.liteserv.com/ctfvotebooth
GALLERY: http://lens.liteserv.com
Gear: see Profile
--
http://www.pbase.com/dptin
 
My criteria are the same as Gayle's. That may be why we often vote for the same photos. In fact, there is currently one photo in the eligible gallery which only Gayle and I have voted for. I didn't pay any attention to who the artist was, but now that I've checked it, I find it pretty ironic. (To help the curious find it without giving anything away, it has 1.9 points.)

--Garrett
Everyone has their own agenda when voting, and you are not alone in
having little time.
My votes are cast for the 5 photographs I like the best, and that
best fit the theme. I don't vote for obvious Photoshop
composites....others seem to love them. I also don't cast my votes
based on who's been around for a while/won a previous challenge vs
new entrants. It's the photo that counts. For me, it will always be
about the photo and not the photographer (or the camera, for that
matter).

Gayle :-)
you TOTALLY misunderstood / misread what I was saying about no name
on the image, etc.

Here's my point:

Voting is VERY time consuming. I happen not to have alot of this
right now
(time)

I have spent a great deal of TIME, looking at all the images and
their rep image thumbs for day, commenting on MANY of the images!

Now it was time for voting.... and I didn't have a lot of time on
my hands....
so I focused my attention on the images that I liked that HAD the
artist name readily handy / available / under the thumb image,
where it SHOULD be.

This did NOT mean I didn't vote for someone I didn't "know". In
fact I was making an effort to vote for someone NEW who's image I
liked......

everybody deserves a chance

Ok? I hope I cleared THAT mistaken meaning up for everyone!

Markjay
The comment you left in the exhibition gallery voting booth has me
wondering. Why did photos without the photographers name on the
thumbnail NOT capture your attention? Are you casting a vote for
the photo or the photographer?

I never put my name on the thumbnail......I want my photos to stand
on their own merits. Does that mean that you never consider my
photos when you are voting? Do you even look at them?

I am interested to know....I am sure that the other photographers
who don't add their name to the thumbnail are also interested to
know why their photos didn't capture your attention too. Some of
them are superb.

Gayle
 

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