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Dear Chap,

I wonder sometimes how you come to the conclusion you do.

Fact is, I have a 300d. Fact also I have a 10d. The 10d does not take better pictures than the 300d. I take the pictures, the camera merely records them. The CMOS is virtually identical [I'll stand corrected on that if necessary] and in tests I conducted to my vastly experienced eyes they output the same quality.

Finance does not even come near in this equation. I bought the 300d in Sept 2003 and the 10d in Feb 2004. I have had for some three years two 550 flashguns and the ST2 transmitter. These were for the EOS3 I've had for some years.

I don't post pictures and I'm not about to start as I dont have web space and I'm not going to as these are for my pleasure only.

Last weekend we spent [my Wife and I] in Paris. I took the 300d. 150 shots later and I'm extremly pleased. Daylight, night shots, action shots [brilliant skateboarders abound] everyone spot-on with exposure and focus.

Crippled? It's all in the mind...
Woodie.
Airborne said:
You talk about Stan’s financial limitations which really you could
know nothing about. Why didn't so many 300D owners just buy a 10D
or a 1Ds. The 10D is a far better camera. I will tell you why;
finances. The same reason I bought the D70 and not the 1DMK II.
So what. If you guys were rich, you probably wouldn't have the
crippled drebel and you know it, and if you are rich it is probably
your backup body that hardly gets used because you don't like its
limitations and you are always using your 10D, 1D, or 1Ds. But if
you are on a budget like most of us, it is probably all you could
afford.
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There is no purpose to this or this line of threads. Either camera is limited, limited by the user. Both cameras in capable hands will take great photos. The cameras are crippled by us, not the other way around.

This type of posting is trollish, and childish. We need to learn from each other not tear each other down.

That goes for the originator of this thread. Stan may rub you wrong, and I dont agree with him rubbing your noses with negative info on the Drebel or whatever, but attacking him personally is not any better. He does seem to be technically up to date, if not obsessive/compulsive on testing one camera versus the other.

Me, I could give a rats @ss about the limitations of my gear cause they are a whole lot less than my limitations. I imagine thats the same for anyone here, at the D70 forum or even D100 forum as the majority are not pro's anyhow.

Stop this childish banter, and post a photo and discuss the merits of the shot.

Grow up everyone.
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Harris

PBase/DPReview/NTF supporter

http://www.pbase.com/backdoctor
 
You have completely misinterpreted my line of responses. I am in Stan’s corner. Read from the beginning. I am fending off a massive onslaught against Stan. Have a sense of humor.
 
No offence intended but do the posting rules say anywhere that you have to own a particular brand of camera before you are allowed to participate in a forum?
podster said:
So why have you just recently come to this forum?

Stan knows nothing except the contents of his navel.

Go play with your D70, and leave us be with our Canons, the pair of
you.
Airborne said:
Stan obviously has extensive photographic and computer skills.
Stan knows his business. This can not be denied. He has tested
both cameras in a more extensive fashion than most of you would
dream to be capable of and he likes the Nikon better. Get over it.
I think that the 300D produces great images and I tend to agree
with the observations from many 300D fans concerning image quality
however it is undeniably crippled in comparison to the D70 and
image the quality is not that different. The 300D wins in some
areas and the D70 wins in others. I have also studied Phil’s image
comparisons. These two cameras are close. The Canon wins with
JPEG and the Nikon wins with RAW. They are both good at keeping
down noise which the 300D fans have constantly stated otherwise on
the D70 forum. No one can deny that from a feature standpoint, the
300D does not even compare to the D70. If all these added features
didn't matter than why have so many first time DSLR buyers decided
to go with the D70 and have bypassed the 300D. You have to be
blind to not see it. And you PHI DONG have been on the D70 forum
also. Like someone said to me; you are like the pot calling the
kettle black.
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No, I understand what you are doing. I dont agree with the personal attack on Stan, but I dont agree with you provoking further fighting here. It takes two to fight. Be the big guy and offer an olive branch. Discuss photography, just give up the D70 is better than Drebel garbage. Both cameras are limited by the user.

I have seen many good posts from you at the other forums. Post a congrats here to The Drebel owners for fine photographs. We need to end the childish fighting. If Phil sees you inciting trouble here, he will ban you, trust me, I've seen him do it.

"Cant we all get along?"
Airborne said:
You have completely misinterpreted my line of responses. I am in
Stan’s corner. Read from the beginning. I am fending off a
massive onslaught against Stan. Have a sense of humor.
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Harris

PBase/DPReview/NTF supporter

http://www.pbase.com/backdoctor
 
Liquidstone
 
All the jokes aside. I feel that my line of humor may break up the monotony to the extent that others my respond having found it funny. I also felt that people would find humor in the military jargon that I accumulated having given over 20 years of service to our nation and change the tone of this thread. I have seen whole threads about how someone’s wife would kill them because they went out and spend X1000's of dollars on camera equipment. Everyone had fun with it and nothing in the entire thread pertained to photos and technical questions. I here what you are saying but understand, I am just having fun like so many others; just in a different way. Read my responses and if you don't get a laugh at least from some you don't have a sense of humor.

The real problem is that people are just too uptight. Personally I could care less who owns what. Stan has provided us with good info and people just jump on him. Period.
Backdoctor said:
I have seen many good posts from you at the other forums. Post a
congrats here to The Drebel owners for fine photographs. We need to
end the childish fighting. If Phil sees you inciting trouble here,
he will ban you, trust me, I've seen him do it.

"Cant we all get along?"
Airborne said:
You have completely misinterpreted my line of responses. I am in
Stan’s corner. Read from the beginning. I am fending off a
massive onslaught against Stan. Have a sense of humor.
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Harris

PBase/DPReview/NTF supporter

http://www.pbase.com/backdoctor
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Dan,

Nice to bump into a fellow San Diegan.

I think the D70 is superior to the 300D. And if I were buying a camera today I might get it. But maybe not. Here's why:

1. Cost -- if you're truly on a budget you're paying a 30% premium for the D70. You'll want the kit lens with either camera so the Nikon is $300 more. That may matter or not. But note that for just a couple of hundred dollars more you could have a 300D with kit lens and a 70-200 f/4 L rather than the Nikon with only the kit lens. The former is a much more compelling combination.

2. Lens selection -- Nikon makes great lenses but Canon has a wider variety, mostly at the consumer end. The Nikon lenses are very good but on the whole are more expensive.

3. Upgrade path -- Canon just has a better upgrade path for digital at this point. Nikon has nothing to match the 1D Mark II or the 1Ds, much less the new 16 MP 1Ds Mark II. And of course we don't know about the yet to be announced replacement for the 10D. The issue here is that after a year or so your investment in lenses and accessories may be several times that of the camera, so you want to make sure you have somewhere to go if the urge strikes you. After trumping Canon with the D1, Nikon has just fallen behind significantly at the upper end of the curve.

That said, the D70 is a very nice camera at a competitive price. It seemingly handles better than the D300, has a better feature set, and the pics are at least as good, though I think image quality is not an issue with either camera. And I'm very impressed with how well Nikon has held down the noise at hgher ISO's. You'll be happy with it if you go in that direction.

And for Airborne or the other combative ones: I suspect I've taken more pics with a Nikon SLR than you have. All but one of my film SLR's was a Nikon, and I'm quite pleased that Nikon has a great new entry dSLR. I also promise that when Canon announces its next round of cameras I won't haunt the Nikon Forums trying to convince everyone how "clearly" better they are than the D70! LOL

Best of luck!

DSC
Daniel Barnett said:
I have to admit that I am somewhat puzzled over your Rebel bashing.
I have been looking for a DLSR and have narrowed it down to the D70
and the DREBEL. I have been observing the images and looking
through the posts to educate myself and I have noticed that you
spend an inordinate amount of time teasing the REBEL owners.
Although I am leaning towards the D70, (Coming from a s602, with
manual controls), I beleive the DREBEL to have far superior images
to that of my Fuji s602. The DREBEL seems to be a bargain as well
as the D70.

Why can't you leave people alone to enjoy their choice of camera? I
abousolutely detest PI$$ING contests. Why can't we just have fun
with our choices and complement each other on our photo's. If you
have been on the FUJI forum, you know how well Morris can turn out
works of art with the lowly s602. Equipment should not make you
feel inferior, the artist behind the lens can easily do that...

Sincerely,

Dan - San Diego
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From your friend "Stan, the extensive photographic and computer skill possessor": (here's some of his finest work, to date.. and all that he'll publish)

http://www.pbase.com/sjmarcy/inbox

Thank you for playing!

icmp
Airborne said:
Stan obviously has extensive photographic and computer skills.
Stan knows his business. This can not be denied. He has tested
both cameras in a more extensive fashion than most of you would
dream to be capable of and he likes the Nikon better. Get over it.
I think that the 300D produces great images and I tend to agree
with the observations from many 300D fans concerning image quality
however it is undeniably crippled in comparison to the D70 and
image the quality is not that different. The 300D wins in some
areas and the D70 wins in others. I have also studied Phil’s image
comparisons. These two cameras are close. The Canon wins with
JPEG and the Nikon wins with RAW. They are both good at keeping
down noise which the 300D fans have constantly stated otherwise on
the D70 forum. No one can deny that from a feature standpoint, the
300D does not even compare to the D70. If all these added features
didn't matter than why have so many first time DSLR buyers decided
to go with the D70 and have bypassed the 300D. You have to be
blind to not see it. And you PHI DONG have been on the D70 forum
also. Like someone said to me; you are like the pot calling the
kettle black.
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The "issue" people have with Stan is that he has NOT provided us (or anyone else) with 'good info', yet insistently, persistently, and consistently made brazen (and ignorant) attempts to pass it off as such.

In case you aren't first hand familiar with his work here.. check his whole post history.. see where he spends his time.. the nature of his posts.. his selective addressing of some questions, while dodging/ignoring all others.. It doesn't take a sleuth to see where he is coming from or what his agenda is (he's not providing a public service, as he would insist).

Ok, so you've checked his posts.. all of them.. read them.. seen, for yourself the integrity and intent of his helpful commentary... and then hop on over to his geewhiz collection of test images that would make Phil green with envy:

http://www.pbase.com/sjmarcy/inbox

'nuff said? To be sure, to nearly all of us involved in his threads, it's enough said. He's embarrassed himself time and again, and then cherry picks which challenges or criticisms he'll respond to. He's a troll.. but he's pretty good at it and keeps coming back for more. =D We luv ya Stan!

icmp
Airborne said:
The real problem is that people are just too uptight. Personally I
could care less who owns what. Stan has provided us with good info
and people just jump on him. Period.
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playing around, and while you may consider stan as having good info - if it were the other way around, I would be tired of someone posting negative stuff on my camera in the D100 forum - no matter how accurate.

I had enough of it with my 5700
Airborne said:
The real problem is that people are just too uptight. Personally I
could care less who owns what. Stan has provided us with good info
and people just jump on him. Period.
Backdoctor said:
I have seen many good posts from you at the other forums. Post a
congrats here to The Drebel owners for fine photographs. We need to
end the childish fighting. If Phil sees you inciting trouble here,
he will ban you, trust me, I've seen him do it.

"Cant we all get along?"
Airborne said:
You have completely misinterpreted my line of responses. I am in
Stan’s corner. Read from the beginning. I am fending off a
massive onslaught against Stan. Have a sense of humor.
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Harris

PBase/DPReview/NTF supporter

http://www.pbase.com/backdoctor
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Harris

PBase/DPReview/NTF supporter

http://www.pbase.com/backdoctor
 
I don't know WHAT Stan's agenda is, and neither do I care. To be a clown? To show everybody how immature he is? I know it isn't taking pictures, that's for sure. I DO know that I come here to read about my camera, and try to learn something new about it, and how to get better pictures from it. Not to read about how another camera acts. If I wanted to know that, I would go to THAT cameras forum, and look there. Stan is a waste of time, and a waste of energy on this board. The members could be better spending their time helping each other get better pictures from what they already have, instead of wasting their time with this drivel. No matter what you buy, something better will always come out later. From the same company, or another company. There were better cameras already when the 300D came out (10D, 1Ds, maybe even from other manufacturers) and there sure is going to be better cameras down the line. It's a fact of life in this consumer society. People like Stan need to get over it, rather than pulling himself in the corner trying to convince people that what he found was better. Not only does no one care, but it has pulled down the quality of this forum. It's turned into "the people vs. the idiot". I don't have time for it anymore. I wish there was a way to block certain users messages, then I could deal with the few quality posts that come up every day, rather than wading through such garbage. I've been looking around for 300D forums on other boards, and once I find one, I won't have to put up with Stan anymore. Life will be good. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but I don't need it shoved in my face every day. This WAS a good forum when I first came here....

Don
 
Airborne said:
Stan obviously has extensive photographic and computer skills.
Stan knows his business. This can not be denied. He has tested
both cameras in a more extensive fashion than most of you would
dream to be capable of and he likes the Nikon better. Get over it.
I think that the 300D produces great images and I tend to agree
with the observations from many 300D fans concerning image quality
however it is undeniably crippled in comparison to the D70 and
image the quality is not that different. The 300D wins in some
areas and the D70 wins in others. I have also studied Phil’s image
comparisons. These two cameras are close. The Canon wins with
JPEG and the Nikon wins with RAW. They are both good at keeping
down noise which the 300D fans have constantly stated otherwise on
the D70 forum. No one can deny that from a feature standpoint, the
300D does not even compare to the D70. If all these added features
didn't matter than why have so many first time DSLR buyers decided
to go with the D70 and have bypassed the 300D. You have to be
blind to not see it. And you PHI DONG have been on the D70 forum
also. Like someone said to me; you are like the pot calling the
kettle black.
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http://www.pbase.com/thejaybird
 
please REMOVE all my photos from your gallery!

I see that you have 2 crops from one of my photo on your gallery. please remove those immediatly.
Stan said:
...is what it's called.

Stan
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Mornórëo Nóressë yassë i Fuini caitar.
Un thoron arart’a s’un hith mal’kemen ioke.
Saurulmaiel
 
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