STAN, What is your agenda....

[Daniel Barnett]

I have to admit that I am somewhat puzzled over your Rebel bashing. I have been looking for a DLSR and have narrowed it down to the D70 and the DREBEL. I have been observing the images and looking through the posts to educate myself and I have noticed that you spend an inordinate amount of time teasing the REBEL owners. Although I am leaning towards the D70, (Coming from a s602, with manual controls), I beleive the DREBEL to have far superior images to that of my Fuji s602. The DREBEL seems to be a bargain as well as the D70.

Why can't you leave people alone to enjoy their choice of camera? I abousolutely detest PI$$ING contests. Why can't we just have fun with our choices and complement each other on our photo's. If you have been on the FUJI forum, you know how well Morris can turn out works of art with the lowly s602. Equipment should not make you feel inferior, the artist behind the lens can easily do that...

Sincerely,

Dan - San Diego

 

[Jarl Sandberg]

Bashing? The 300D came out "highly recommended", can it get any better?

The D70 and the 300D are different cameras and while I think the D70 wins by a hair, it is probably a better camera. It should be, it is released 6 months after the 300D.

We should remember that Canon and Nikon have different product cycles. Just see when D100 was released and compare it to the release date of 10D. The D100 was due for a replacement, while it was to early to replace the 10D when 300D came out (6 months after)

--jalle

I have to admit that I am somewhat puzzled over your Rebel bashing.
I have been looking for a DLSR and have narrowed it down to the D70
and the DREBEL. I have been observing the images and looking
through the posts to educate myself and I have noticed that you
spend an inordinate amount of time teasing the REBEL owners.
Although I am leaning towards the D70, (Coming from a s602, with
manual controls), I beleive the DREBEL to have far superior images
to that of my Fuji s602. The DREBEL seems to be a bargain as well
as the D70.

Why can't you leave people alone to enjoy their choice of camera? I
abousolutely detest PI$$ING contests. Why can't we just have fun
with our choices and complement each other on our photo's. If you
have been on the FUJI forum, you know how well Morris can turn out
works of art with the lowly s602. Equipment should not make you
feel inferior, the artist behind the lens can easily do that...

Sincerely,

Dan - San Diego

 

[Jarl Sandberg]

Now when I see that it was Stan and not Phil, I understand every word that you wrote

--jalle

 

[podster]

He is an incompetent photographer, but he has too much money and time to waste. He tries to compensate for his lack of ability by buying whatever new piece of kit comes along. That's why he has both cameras, paints little red stripes around his lenses, and can never, ever, show you a proper photograph for you to comment on. Take a look at his pbase gallery to see his collection! http://www.pbase.com/sjmarcy

Unfortunately, his budget is too limited to stretch to a D1 and a 1D.

He comes to the 300D forum because the D70 forum want nothing to do with him, and here he gets a response. Even being insulted validates his pathetic ego.

His agenda is to get you to validate his latest purchase and ego by doing the same as him. Fear not, when the next model comes, he will buy it, and his whole cycle will start again.

I had a Fuji camera before, a 4900Z. As you have said, the artist is the controller of the image, and both cameras are decent machines. One is more expensive and newer, and therefore should be slightly better. Both will be better than the Fuji, not that the Fuji is a bad machine.

If you already have Canon lenses, buy the 300D or the 10D. If you have Nikon, buy the D70. If you have neither, try them out and see which you prefer, and read the professional reviews - a lot of people here are perfectly happy with their camera, whatever it is.

I have to admit that I am somewhat puzzled over your Rebel bashing.
I have been looking for a DLSR and have narrowed it down to the D70
and the DREBEL. I have been observing the images and looking
through the posts to educate myself and I have noticed that you
spend an inordinate amount of time teasing the REBEL owners.
Although I am leaning towards the D70, (Coming from a s602, with
manual controls), I beleive the DREBEL to have far superior images
to that of my Fuji s602. The DREBEL seems to be a bargain as well
as the D70.

Why can't you leave people alone to enjoy their choice of camera? I
abousolutely detest PI$$ING contests. Why can't we just have fun
with our choices and complement each other on our photo's. If you
have been on the FUJI forum, you know how well Morris can turn out
works of art with the lowly s602. Equipment should not make you
feel inferior, the artist behind the lens can easily do that...

Sincerely,

Dan - San Diego

 

[PHI DONG DOT COM]

For somebody who loves the D70 and Nikon so much, I find it odd that Stan has 4 pieces of Canon glass and only 2 pieces of Nikon glass. I also find it odd that the ratio of Canon:Nikon is even greater for his posting. Its at least 5:1..

Well guess what Stan? Barely anybody cares. You can measurebate all you want, but people will still love their Digital Rebels, and you know why? It isn't all about the greatest features, the biggest buffer, the most megapixels... its more than that. Taking great pictures has to do with the photographer, and for that reason you will see great images captured from BOTH the Canon and Nikon system.

And thats all it is, a battle of systems. Coke & Pepsi, Mercedes & BMW, whatever... its all a choice. I chose the Digital Rebel because I like Canon. The D70, like the 300D is only a stepping stone into the DSLR world. It is important to assess what moves you're going to make later down the line, because its unlikely for anybody to just get a D70 kit or a Digital Rebel Kit.

As for Stan.. nobody really knows what his problem is. He likes to spend money on cameras he only uses to "test," while leaving photgraphy to other people who merely read his "godly" (and biased) opinions. I wish he'd just understand one day...

It isn't the equipment that makes the photographer. Anybody can pick up a point and shoot, a disposable, a DSLR whatever.. and call themselves a photographer the moment they press the shutter down..

but a great photographer has skills that lie beyond the equipment he/she uses.

Nuff said.

Go away.
--
phi dong

 

[Clark-Kent]

I checked out everything on this gallery and it leaves me with one conclusion

'obsessive comparisons'

I saw one portrait that I considered to be of good artistic relevance :-/

 

[Airborne]

Stan obviously has extensive photographic and computer skills. Stan knows his business. This can not be denied. He has tested both cameras in a more extensive fashion than most of you would dream to be capable of and he likes the Nikon better. Get over it. I think that the 300D produces great images and I tend to agree with the observations from many 300D fans concerning image quality however it is undeniably crippled in comparison to the D70 and image the quality is not that different. The 300D wins in some areas and the D70 wins in others. I have also studied Phil’s image comparisons. These two cameras are close. The Canon wins with JPEG and the Nikon wins with RAW. They are both good at keeping down noise which the 300D fans have constantly stated otherwise on the D70 forum. No one can deny that from a feature standpoint, the 300D does not even compare to the D70. If all these added features didn't matter than why have so many first time DSLR buyers decided to go with the D70 and have bypassed the 300D. You have to be blind to not see it. And you PHI DONG have been on the D70 forum also. Like someone said to me; you are like the pot calling the kettle black.

 

[Airborne]

Stan has put together more extensive analytical tests and comparisons than you and I could even conceive of attempting. It is safe to say that you and I are incompetent if we were to try to compile such feats of photographic and computer analysis. I have looked at Stan’s work and I don't know where he gets all this photographic and computer knowledge from but Stan is good. He is real good. You could learn from him, if you weren't so hung up on your crippled 300D. I learned from him and I would buy a Canon DSLR. I also would want one without a limited feature set.

Stan rarely defends himself. He does defend his technical views. Stan has not attacked you. He has attacked your crippled 300D because it is crippled and you know it. You attack him because it is the only way to make you feel better about maybe making not such a good purchase.

You talk about Stan’s financial limitations which really you could know nothing about. Why didn't so many 300D owners just buy a 10D or a 1Ds. The 10D is a far better camera. I will tell you why; finances. The same reason I bought the D70 and not the 1DMK II. So what. If you guys were rich, you probably wouldn't have the crippled drebel and you know it, and if you are rich it is probably your backup body that hardly gets used because you don't like its limitations and you are always using your 10D, 1D, or 1Ds. But if you are on a budget like most of us, it is probably all you could afford.

Now you are upset at people like Stan because he likes the D70 better and has a Canon also, just like I do, and adds posts on this forum like so many of you do on the D70 forum. I know, I read it and can check the profiles just like you. What do I see when I check the profiles of people on the D70 forum that have a problem with the D70; 300D, 300D, 300D. If you check mine you will see D70, D70, and D70. You want to call me a troll, big deal. All is fair in love and war. You guys stay on the D70 forum. I don’t mind. Now get over it.

 

[Thomas Kirsop]

My camera is better than your camera...

My dog is bigger than your dog....

My god is better than your god...

You and stan like the d70 better... great... It got a good review today, I'm happy for you. You insist on telling me my stuff is sub par... that irritates me and sets the trolls on both sides off. You are bringing nothing of value to those of us who want to learn how to be better photographers... If I want to know how to set up a comparative example between 2 cameras every time someone anounces the next best thing... I will be sure to ask Stan or yourself... oh wait... PHIL DOES REVIEWS RIGHT HERE, ON THIS SITE! nevermind... now if you want to teach me to be a better photographer with the equipment I have, please keep posting... if you want to slam my stuff... take it elsewhere.

I'm shooting animals in an outdoor setting on thursday... in a zoo... I have a tamron 28-300 xr, the canon kit lens, and (should have) my sigma 70-200 f/2.8 apo... You want to show the rookie how good you are as a photographer? Give me some tips so I don't waste a bunch of disk space.

Otherwise... you waste my time...

Stan has put together more extensive analytical tests and
comparisons than you and I could even conceive of attempting. It
is safe to say that you and I are incompetent if we were to try to
compile such feats of photographic and computer analysis. I have
looked at Stan’s work and I don't know where he gets all this
photographic and computer knowledge from but Stan is good. He is
real good. You could learn from him, if you weren't so hung up on
your crippled 300D. I learned from him and I would buy a Canon
DSLR. I also would want one without a limited feature set.

Stan rarely defends himself. He does defend his technical views.
Stan has not attacked you. He has attacked your crippled 300D
because it is crippled and you know it. You attack him because it
is the only way to make you feel better about maybe making not such
a good purchase.

You talk about Stan’s financial limitations which really you could
know nothing about. Why didn't so many 300D owners just buy a 10D
or a 1Ds. The 10D is a far better camera. I will tell you why;
finances. The same reason I bought the D70 and not the 1DMK II.
So what. If you guys were rich, you probably wouldn't have the
crippled drebel and you know it, and if you are rich it is probably
your backup body that hardly gets used because you don't like its
limitations and you are always using your 10D, 1D, or 1Ds. But if
you are on a budget like most of us, it is probably all you could
afford.

Now you are upset at people like Stan because he likes the D70
better and has a Canon also, just like I do, and adds posts on this
forum like so many of you do on the D70 forum. I know, I read it
and can check the profiles just like you. What do I see when I
check the profiles of people on the D70 forum that have a problem
with the D70; 300D, 300D, 300D. If you check mine you will see
D70, D70, and D70. You want to call me a troll, big deal. All is
fair in love and war. You guys stay on the D70 forum. I don’t
mind. Now get over it.

--

Some day I will be worthy of my electronic equipment... of course by then it will be obsolete, and therefore time to upgrade...

 

[Airborne]

The Sigma gets good reviews as I'm sure you know. I have considered buying one. Don't leave the aperture wide open and increase your shutter speed and fill the frame with the subject that you are shooting. My guess is that you know this. Have fun at the zoo. I thought about going last weekend with my 180mm f2.8 lens. Primes are considered a little sharper than zooms but don’t have the versatility. I want a telephoto zoom some day.

 

[Dr. Don Sandell208748]

IMHO both Stan and Airborn are both trolls on this forum. Looking to illicit a negative response, thus starting never ending downward spiraling thread. If they like the Nikon better than the Canon, so be it. But please quite coming in here and bashing a camera that deserves none. Everyone has personal preferences there is no good that comes out of measeurbating for the sake of measeurbating. If either of you desire to do more measeurbating........take it to another forum where they may actually enjoy it.
--

Photography has suprisingly little to do with cameras; but indeed almost everything to do with the person behind the camera.

 

[podster]

If we take a look at your posting history, we see one thing: A nikon user.

So why have you just recently come to this forum?

Stan knows nothing except the contents of his navel.

Go play with your D70, and leave us be with our Canons, the pair of you.

Stan obviously has extensive photographic and computer skills.
Stan knows his business. This can not be denied. He has tested
both cameras in a more extensive fashion than most of you would
dream to be capable of and he likes the Nikon better. Get over it.
I think that the 300D produces great images and I tend to agree
with the observations from many 300D fans concerning image quality
however it is undeniably crippled in comparison to the D70 and
image the quality is not that different. The 300D wins in some
areas and the D70 wins in others. I have also studied Phil’s image
comparisons. These two cameras are close. The Canon wins with
JPEG and the Nikon wins with RAW. They are both good at keeping
down noise which the 300D fans have constantly stated otherwise on
the D70 forum. No one can deny that from a feature standpoint, the
300D does not even compare to the D70. If all these added features
didn't matter than why have so many first time DSLR buyers decided
to go with the D70 and have bypassed the 300D. You have to be
blind to not see it. And you PHI DONG have been on the D70 forum
also. Like someone said to me; you are like the pot calling the
kettle black.

 

[podster]

Stan has put together more extensive analytical tests and
comparisons than you and I could even conceive of attempting. It
is safe to say that you and I are incompetent if we were to try to
compile such feats of photographic and computer analysis. I have
looked at Stan’s work and I don't know where he gets all this
photographic and computer knowledge from but Stan is good. He is
real good. You could learn from him, if you weren't so hung up on
your crippled 300D.

Rest assured, if I ever want a photo of a cement factory, I know where to go. I'd love to learn more, but he never shows us his photos so we can learn.

I learned from him

Clearly, in the skills of trollage.

Stan rarely defends himself. He does defend his technical views.

He could easily defend his photographic skills. He could show one interesting picture. He won't. Why not? The logical conclusion? He has none.

Stan has not attacked you. He has attacked your crippled 300D
because it is crippled and you know it.

I know it is limited. But I'd rather a "crippled" camera than a crippled mind. I've worked with cameras with far fewer features, and guess what - I still got the picture. I still got paid. Why? Because of the photograph, not the camera. The camera did its job.

You attack him because it
is the only way to make you feel better about maybe making not such
a good purchase.

You think? Well, I'd do it again tomorrow. None of my lenses fit on a Nikon. If someone has Nikon kit, I recommend the Nikon. Check my history. I've done it before, and I'd do it again.

I know, I read it
and can check the profiles just like you. What do I see when I
check the profiles of people on the D70 forum that have a problem
with the D70; 300D, 300D, 300D.

So you sink to their level, well done! Not far to go, in your case, but it just shows the feeble nature of your mind!

Now get over it.

Get over what? You? Here's an idea. Go to your beloved D70 forum, and take some pictures. Show what you can do with that camera that I can't do with a 300D. It should be easy. My camera's "crippled", remember!

 

[Airborne]

I think I will hang out here for a while to keep you nice fellows company. It is only because you treat me so kindly. Let’s get together sometime and take pictures together. You know, me and my D70 and you and your drebel. We will have a great time. Oh by the way that is Airborne. You know an Army Paratrooper. That gives me an idea. If I get a rebel I could jump out of a perfectly good airplane with it because it wouldn't matter if it got broke. My D70 would be waiting on the drop-zone to take pictures of my fellow paratroopers during their decent.

Stan has put together more extensive analytical tests and
comparisons than you and I could even conceive of attempting. It
is safe to say that you and I are incompetent if we were to try to
compile such feats of photographic and computer analysis. I have
looked at Stan’s work and I don't know where he gets all this
photographic and computer knowledge from but Stan is good. He is
real good. You could learn from him, if you weren't so hung up on
your crippled 300D.

Rest assured, if I ever want a photo of a cement factory, I know
where to go. I'd love to learn more, but he never shows us his
photos so we can learn.

I learned from him

Clearly, in the skills of trollage.

Stan rarely defends himself. He does defend his technical views.

He could easily defend his photographic skills. He could show one
interesting picture. He won't. Why not? The logical conclusion? He
has none.

Stan has not attacked you. He has attacked your crippled 300D
because it is crippled and you know it.

I know it is limited. But I'd rather a "crippled" camera than a
crippled mind. I've worked with cameras with far fewer features,
and guess what - I still got the picture. I still got paid. Why?
Because of the photograph, not the camera. The camera did its job.

You attack him because it
is the only way to make you feel better about maybe making not such
a good purchase.

You think? Well, I'd do it again tomorrow. None of my lenses fit on
a Nikon. If someone has Nikon kit, I recommend the Nikon. Check my
history. I've done it before, and I'd do it again.

I know, I read it
and can check the profiles just like you. What do I see when I
check the profiles of people on the D70 forum that have a problem
with the D70; 300D, 300D, 300D.

So you sink to their level, well done! Not far to go, in your case,
but it just shows the feeble nature of your mind!

Now get over it.

Get over what? You? Here's an idea. Go to your beloved D70 forum,
and take some pictures. Show what you can do with that camera that
I can't do with a 300D. It should be easy. My camera's "crippled",
remember!

 

[Airborne]

I might need you to cover my flank, these boys are getting kind of rough over here in Iraq; I mean the 300D forum. Bring your 300D, we can throw it at um.

 

[f4igrad]

You said Stan is a very capable photographer. How can you come to this conclusion since Stan REFUSES to post ANY of his work, except for crappy photo tests of some cement factory. Just wondering how you came to this conclusion? BTW, I am a CEO of a multi-billion dollar corporation. Why? Because this is the Internet and I can be anything I want to be without offering any proof. See my point?

 

[Stan]

...is what it's called.

Stan

 

[Airborne]

based on all the photos I have seen him post. By the way, can I get a job Mr. CEO? I write well, don't you think? Just joking. What you wrote was good. BTW, believe it or not, this stuff doesn't bother me. The 300D is a nice camera. It is actually fun on these forums. I think some people would kill for their camera. I try to be funny. I do try to help people if I have the knowledge and believe me; I have gotten an extensive amount of help myself on these forums. Enjoy shooting. Watch someone is going to get mad at me. I sit in front of a computer all day at my job. This helps pass the time. I have an easy job. God has blessed me with low stress in the work-place. I will be nice when they get mad at me.

You said Stan is a very capable photographer. How can you come to
this conclusion since Stan REFUSES to post ANY of his work, except
for crappy photo tests of some cement factory. Just wondering how
you came to this conclusion? BTW, I am a CEO of a multi-billion
dollar corporation. Why? Because this is the Internet and I can be
anything I want to be without offering any proof. See my point?

 

[katkison]

Airborne, who cares about jumping with the DRebel? I have, so what? I'll do it again. I also take it flying with me. Again, so what?

What has being a paratrooper got to do with photographs? Again, so what?

You want to get together and shoot some photos? Sure, not problem. But what would that prove and why on earth do you think there is anything to prove?

The only thing that matters is the final image. Who cares what equipment is used, except for curiosity or learning it doesn't matter at all. The skills to use whatever camera is chosen and the development of those skills is the paramount reason most of us use this forum. We want to learn this craft of photography. All of this backbiting is getting in the way of my learning adventure.

By the way, THANK YOU for the service you render to our country.

Now GO AWAY.

 

[podster]

...is what it's called.

Stan

The question was "Where are your photos?"