G5, Digital Rebel or Proshot??

I've been waiting for PMA to come to make my purchase. I've got it down to these 3 Canons. G5's advantage is price, but for a couple hundred more I can upgrade to either the digital rebel kit, or the new Pro-Shot.

Personally, I think for the same price I'd rather go with the rebel over the Proshot. What do you think?

I think it will depend on your needs. Pluses and minuses to each camera. Everyone is waiting for the full review and image samples to see what the L lens can do on this size sensor. Stay tuned.

newmili said:

I've been waiting for PMA to come to make my purchase. I've got it
down to these 3 Canons. G5's advantage is price, but for a couple
hundred more I can upgrade to either the digital rebel kit, or the
new Pro-Shot.
Personally, I think for the same price I'd rather go with the rebel
over the Proshot. What do you think?

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It's a damn site more than a couple of hundred! - the G5 is £400, the 300D Kit is £800 - TWICE the price - the projected price of the Pro-1 I read was £899 with £799 street, TWICE the price again..

The 300D Offers far more gains for the future, it's debatable if the Pro-1 offers much in the way of gains over a G5 at all (going by the slower lens, lack of IS and pixel packing meaning more NR and artifacts in the Photos shown)

Personally I'd advise to wait as I have a feeling that NOW is the worst time to buy a 300D and the D70 will drive canon to De-Cripple the camera, paint it black AND lower the price..... Heck we may even end up with an 8Mp 10D replacement as well on the cards!

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enjoy a great camera for an amazingly reasonable price and let all this other baloney shake itself out.

If it's your very -first- digital camera purchase, I'd venture to say it'd be a great place to learn a lot... then purchase a great dSLR in 6 months to a couple years, knowing more about both photography and your own style and preference.

Adam-T gives great advice though. Generally better than mine.

TheBarron

If you have spare money go for the new one or just get a cheap G5 and wait for another year.

I have decided to wait as all the major Cam mfgrs decidied not to invest in APS, film CAM recently. This means there will be a lot more new, low cost D Cam very soon.

The DSLR is have a major problem with the multiplier 1.5-1.6 with the standard 135mm Lens. I would think they will overcome this problem in the next 12 months and something new will come up.

What you really want is very depends on your real need ! Point and shoot with a good level of adjustment... G5 will be good enough...

TheBarron said:

enjoy a great camera for an amazingly reasonable price and let all
this other baloney shake itself out.

If it's your very -first- digital camera purchase, I'd venture to
say it'd be a great place to learn a lot... then purchase a great
dSLR in 6 months to a couple years, knowing more about both
photography and your own style and preference.

Adam-T gives great advice though. Generally better than mine.

TheBarron

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I'm holding on to my Drebel till Canon does in fact make it black and install the missing features it should have had in the beginning..

The D70 is tempting but after studying theNikon's lenses,I have to give it a lot more thought.

Plus I have learned to work around most of the Drebel's faults and now feel very comfortable with it.
John

Adam-T said:

It's a damn site more than a couple of hundred! - the G5 is £400,
the 300D Kit is £800 - TWICE the price - the projected price of the
Pro-1 I read was £899 with £799 street, TWICE the price again..

The 300D Offers far more gains for the future, it's debatable if
the Pro-1 offers much in the way of gains over a G5 at all (going
by the slower lens, lack of IS and pixel packing meaning more NR
and artifacts in the Photos shown)

Personally I'd advise to wait as I have a feeling that NOW is the
worst time to buy a 300D and the D70 will drive canon to De-Cripple
the camera, paint it black AND lower the price..... Heck we may
even end up with an 8Mp 10D replacement as well on the cards!

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Good points Adam, but a couple points I disagree on, in theory at least. It does have an awesome lens I'll bet, and the pixel packing is exactly the same as the G5.

I am skeptical as well, but hopeful on how Canon deals with the CA.

Adam-T said:

It's a damn site more than a couple of hundred! - the G5 is £400,
the 300D Kit is £800 - TWICE the price - the projected price of the
Pro-1 I read was £899 with £799 street, TWICE the price again..

The 300D Offers far more gains for the future, it's debatable if
the Pro-1 offers much in the way of gains over a G5 at all (going
by the slower lens, lack of IS and pixel packing meaning more NR
and artifacts in the Photos shown)

Personally I'd advise to wait as I have a feeling that NOW is the
worst time to buy a 300D and the D70 will drive canon to De-Cripple
the camera, paint it black AND lower the price..... Heck we may
even end up with an 8Mp 10D replacement as well on the cards!

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My best bet is to stick with the G5 which will be more than suitable for my needs for the next year or two. By then DSLRs will be far cheaper with better options.

I would personally wait for either a 4mp or 5mp Powershot S(2/3?) IS to come out, although the 3mp S1 IS is pretty tempting:
http://www.powershot.com/powershot2/s1is/index.html

newmili said:

My best bet is to stick with the G5 which will be more than
suitable for my needs for the next year or two. By then DSLRs will
be far cheaper with better options.

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R Stacy said:

Good points Adam, but a couple points I disagree on, in theory at
least. It does have an awesome lens I'll bet, and the pixel
packing is exactly the same as the G5.

I am skeptical as well, but hopeful on how Canon deals with the CA.

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Actually, it's not exactly the same packing. Close, but not the same. See the chart on this page:

http://www.dpreview.com/news/0312/03121702sharpsixmeg.asp

and you'll notice that while the pixel pitch is extremely similar at 2.7 µm vs 2.8 µm, you'll notice there's a slightly larger gap in the 'max pixel area' figure at 7.3µm² vs 7.8µm². Granted I'm being a bit anal about the differences, but from what I've seen from both the 828 and the Pro1, I don't think the Sony 8Mp sensor at ISO 50 offers the same level of low noise that their 5Mp sensor does at ISO 50. Also, I am not taken in by the 828 RGBE hype.. rather I agree with comments I've seen by a few who are unimpressed with the colors from this 8Mp sensor, RGBE or RGBG.

I tend to agree on the lens. Indications are that it's awesome, and it's great to see Canon back in the long zoom game as well. And I'm in the (small) school of thought that the PF/CA might be IR and/or UV CA issues, which would explain why this lens might be playing a role in possible better performance with PF/CA... if not a better hot mirror or whatnot.

I told myself that I would not be interested in a Canon offering that had this Sony 8Mp sensor. But this camera is so darn sexy, it makes you want to make up reasons to get it (including excuses about Canon being able to work magic and miracles). While I think they are going to do a bang-up job despite the sensor, the sensor is still a deal-breaker in my opinion, with the price tag being the clincher.

TheBarron

newmili said:

I've been waiting for PMA to come to make my purchase. I've got it
down to these 3 Canons. G5's advantage is price, but for a couple
hundred more I can upgrade to either the digital rebel kit, or the
new Pro-Shot.

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then buy G5 and wait for a year or more, you will end up with better DSLR after that. G5 is very capable camera

Cheers

alexeig

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Adam-T,

In one of the Pro1 threads was a link to a Japanese/Chinese site (could not read it anyway ;-)) which DID show comparison CA/PF shots 'as you ordered', treebranches against a 'white' sky, between Sony828 and Pro1.

The branches on the Sony pic seemed purple, those on the Pro1 pic were at least a whole lot better.

Couldn't read how/what conditions, though.

(there may have been a button to 'go English', but then that one was in Chinese/Japanese too... ;-))

For the rest of your post: makes good sense, thanks for the excellent advise and insight, will sit a little longer on my 10D(?II?) euros... ;-))

Kindest regards,

Max@Home
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Max@Home said:

For the rest of your post: makes good sense, thanks for the
excellent advise and insight, will sit a little longer on my
10D(?II?) euros... ;-))

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Yeah, Thanks .as far as the Pro-1 is concerned - No IS, No Manual Zoom, £899 - NO thanks.. If they'd spent more time developing a 6Mp CMOS and IS for it than that expensive motorized L lens I'm sure that it'd be a better proposition

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