Canon EOS 12D?

Well the 33 is completely in line with the KEG rule but not in line
with previous eye control product numbering (EOS 50/ EOS 50e) so
we can say Canon is not realy straight forward in its Partnumbering.
I don't know what this "eye control product numbering" is but
nonetheless the rule that the lower number is the higher end camera
remains, and will be followed now that digital cameras have been
fully integrated into the EOS line. This is why you will not see a
12D. What Canon needs is more distinction between the 300D and the
10D, not less.

Jason
I've just been reading Phil's preview of the D70.
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Info on these high end cameras has always leaked out in the past. The D1MKII is about a week old now. I would expect info on a 10D replacement, if it were to be introduced at PMA would be about a week or so old now too. I honestly haven't heard anything about a 10D replacement and really wonder if there will be one. Seems to me Canon has to do something about the overlap in the 10D and the Rebel D and will have to come with something that separates the two if they are going to sell both.

As for Ritz saying the 10D is discontinued, in my experience, most of the time big retailers like Ritz and Best Buy can no longer get stock on items because their total model run orders have all been filled and sold, they say the item is "discontinued," which is not really totally a lie, given that it has been discontinued for them.
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Dave Lewis
 
I hope I didn't make up the EOS 50e, I use it every day to make Photos LOL

http://www.mir.com.my/rb/photography/hardwares/classics/eos/eoscamera/EOSElanIIE5055/

Maarten
Well the 33 is completely in line with the KEG rule but not in line
with previous eye control product numbering (EOS 50/ EOS 50e) so
we can say Canon is not realy straight forward in its Partnumbering.
I don't know what this "eye control product numbering" is but
nonetheless the rule that the lower number is the higher end camera
remains, and will be followed now that digital cameras have been
fully integrated into the EOS line. This is why you will not see a
12D. What Canon needs is more distinction between the 300D and the
10D, not less.

Jason
 
What world do you live on? The D60 replaced the D30 and they
followed it up by the 10D. Great theory, you think that one out
yourself?

Flame on.
Actually he is right. Watch the next model and you'll see. The
D30 and D60 were oddballs before digital became a dominant form of
the EOS lineup. Now that the digital line is well established, it
will follow the EOS rules. I'm surprised how many like you do not
know this.

Jason
 
What you made up was the concept of "eye control product numbering" in your attempt to discredit the original poster who said nothing about this and instead said:

"The successor won't have higher number than 10.

This is because the naming convention for Canon EOS cameras is that higher numbered camera is of higher class."

That is the topic of this sub-thread.

Jason
http://www.mir.com.my/rb/photography/hardwares/classics/eos/eoscamera/EOSElanIIE5055/

Maarten
Well the 33 is completely in line with the KEG rule but not in line
with previous eye control product numbering (EOS 50/ EOS 50e) so
we can say Canon is not realy straight forward in its Partnumbering.
I don't know what this "eye control product numbering" is but
nonetheless the rule that the lower number is the higher end camera
remains, and will be followed now that digital cameras have been
fully integrated into the EOS line. This is why you will not see a
12D. What Canon needs is more distinction between the 300D and the
10D, not less.

Jason
 
Info on these high end cameras has always leaked out in the past.
The D1MKII is about a week old now. I would expect info on a 10D
replacement, if it were to be introduced at PMA would be about a
week or so old now too. I honestly haven't heard anything about a
10D replacement and really wonder if there will be one. Seems to me
Canon has to do something about the overlap in the 10D and the
Rebel D and will have to come with something that separates the two
if they are going to sell both.

As for Ritz saying the 10D is discontinued, in my experience, most
of the time big retailers like Ritz and Best Buy can no longer get
stock on items because their total model run orders have all been
filled and sold, they say the item is "discontinued," which is not
really totally a lie, given that it has been discontinued for them.
--
Dave Lewis
 
The Elan II was an EOS 50. When it was upgraded it went to an EOS 30 aka Elan 7. We're talking about the EOS numbering here, not the add on US stuff. For instance in the US a Rebel II definitely can follow a Rebel but that's entirely different.

Jason
What world do you live on? The D60 replaced the D30 and they
followed it up by the 10D. Great theory, you think that one out
yourself?

Flame on.
Actually he is right. Watch the next model and you'll see. The
D30 and D60 were oddballs before digital became a dominant form of
the EOS lineup. Now that the digital line is well established, it
will follow the EOS rules. I'm surprised how many like you do not
know this.

Jason
 
Hee Maartn...

The eos 50/50e and the A2/A2e were only valid for the american market. In europe there weren't a 50 nor a A2. Both models came with eye control as a standard and the version without didn't existed for the european market.

We know the 50/50e simply as eos 50 and the A2/A2e as eos5.
http://www.mir.com.my/rb/photography/hardwares/classics/eos/eoscamera/EOSElanIIE5055/

Maarten
Well the 33 is completely in line with the KEG rule but not in line
with previous eye control product numbering (EOS 50/ EOS 50e) so
we can say Canon is not realy straight forward in its Partnumbering.
I don't know what this "eye control product numbering" is but
nonetheless the rule that the lower number is the higher end camera
remains, and will be followed now that digital cameras have been
fully integrated into the EOS line. This is why you will not see a
12D. What Canon needs is more distinction between the 300D and the
10D, not less.

Jason
 
That was my point. In Europe they use a different scheme than in the states. I'm not sure what you mean by "add on US stuff". The EOS 50 in Europe is the exact same thing as the Elan II in the US.

If there are "EOS rules" then they are different in the US. I'm just as suprised that you do not know this.
Jason
What world do you live on? The D60 replaced the D30 and they
followed it up by the 10D. Great theory, you think that one out
yourself?

Flame on.
Actually he is right. Watch the next model and you'll see. The
D30 and D60 were oddballs before digital became a dominant form of
the EOS lineup. Now that the digital line is well established, it
will follow the EOS rules. I'm surprised how many like you do not
know this.

Jason
 
beggining the next if they decide to launch a camera that will be
in the range between 1D and 10D... a 3D for example...
WHEE! 3D pictures? That would be nice ;-)
Seriously - I don't beleive the new model will be 3D, maybe 4D or 2D but not 3D.
--

 
That was my point. In Europe they use a different scheme than in
the states. I'm not sure what you mean by "add on US stuff". The
EOS 50 in Europe is the exact same thing as the Elan II in the US.

If there are "EOS rules" then they are different in the US. I'm
just as suprised that you do not know this.
What you appear to have forgotten, is we're talking about the EOS 10D, which has the standard EOS name. We're not talking about the add on names they tack onto US models, eg. Rebel and Elan. You are wrong, the rules are no different for EOS numbering schemes in the US are no different than the rest of the world. You appear to be fighting this every step of the way.

Jason
 
I would not take a ritz clerks word for anything... he doesen't really have any insider information...

But, it COULD be in theory possible that we see a 10d mark II... since canon seems to be atleast a bit serious about ef-s(adding it to the 1dMKII and all...)

let's just wait a week okay :)

But so far canon cameras have been graded as "the lower the number the better", so 12d sounds a bit odd... but let's wait and see...

Maybe the sleazy sales-person at ritz just made that up so that you would wait for hte next version instead of buyuing elsewhere... and when no next version arrives they get more 10d´s in stock and say they have no idea about a 12d :)
 
I would not take a ritz clerks word for anything... he doesen't
really have any insider information...
I agree with that but...
But, it COULD be in theory possible that we see a 10d mark II...
since canon seems to be atleast a bit serious about ef-s(adding it
to the 1dMKII and all...)
What???? Why do you think that? The EF-S lens doesn't even have the image circle for this camera, even if it could be mounted (which it can't).

Jason
 
Hi Jason,

I'm afraid you mixed some people up reading this thread. I didn't discredit the original poster I didn't even reply to the original post.

Actualy if KEG wouldn't have said the original posters previous camera was a P&S I wouldn't have posted the obvious exceptions in the naming of the DSLR. Maybe childish but there it is.

Now In the netherlands the ELAN II had the number EOS 50 and the ELAN II we had the EOS 50e. I'm so positive because I still use my 50e.

Maarten
"The successor won't have higher number than 10.

This is because the naming convention for Canon EOS cameras is that
higher numbered camera is of higher class."

That is the topic of this sub-thread.

Jason
http://www.mir.com.my/rb/photography/hardwares/classics/eos/eoscamera/EOSElanIIE5055/

Maarten
Well the 33 is completely in line with the KEG rule but not in line
with previous eye control product numbering (EOS 50/ EOS 50e) so
we can say Canon is not realy straight forward in its Partnumbering.
I don't know what this "eye control product numbering" is but
nonetheless the rule that the lower number is the higher end camera
remains, and will be followed now that digital cameras have been
fully integrated into the EOS line. This is why you will not see a
12D. What Canon needs is more distinction between the 300D and the
10D, not less.

Jason
 
Hi Wiet4free

If you consider the netherlands part of europe you are slightly off. I'm positive that when I bought my 50e they also had the 50 it wasn't much cheaper so I thought the eye control was kind of cool.

I think it was the EOS 5 that only was available with eye control while the US and Japanese versions where available without.

Maarten
The eos 50/50e and the A2/A2e were only valid for the american
market. In europe there weren't a 50 nor a A2. Both models came
with eye control as a standard and the version without didn't
existed for the european market.

We know the 50/50e simply as eos 50 and the A2/A2e as eos5.
http://www.mir.com.my/rb/photography/hardwares/classics/eos/eoscamera/EOSElanIIE5055/

Maarten
Well the 33 is completely in line with the KEG rule but not in line
with previous eye control product numbering (EOS 50/ EOS 50e) so
we can say Canon is not realy straight forward in its Partnumbering.
I don't know what this "eye control product numbering" is but
nonetheless the rule that the lower number is the higher end camera
remains, and will be followed now that digital cameras have been
fully integrated into the EOS line. This is why you will not see a
12D. What Canon needs is more distinction between the 300D and the
10D, not less.

Jason
--
 
Hi Jason,

I'm afraid you mixed some people up reading this thread. I didn't
discredit the original poster I didn't even reply to the original
post.
There is no mixup. I referred in the above post to this sub-thread, and you did respond to the original poster here:

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1019&message=7500795
Actualy if KEG wouldn't have said the original posters previous
camera was a P&S I wouldn't have posted the obvious exceptions in
the naming of the DSLR. Maybe childish but there it is.
The P&S line numbers things differently from the EOS line. If this were a P&S camera the next camera might likely be a 12D, 20D, or some such number.
Now In the netherlands the ELAN II had the number EOS 50 and the
ELAN II we had the EOS 50e. I'm so positive because I still use my
50e.
That's great. Not sure what it has to do with this sub-thread, but that's very nice.

Jason
 
Jason,

All I said that the "EOS rules" do have exceptions and because there isn't a serie it fits in like we used to have the 1-5-50-500-5000 series I haven't got a clue what the new modelnumber of the new 10 would be and actualy I don't care.

Maarten

When Canon came out with the eos 300 and 3 it was easy, there should be a 30 as well. I doubt
That was my point. In Europe they use a different scheme than in
the states. I'm not sure what you mean by "add on US stuff". The
EOS 50 in Europe is the exact same thing as the Elan II in the US.

If there are "EOS rules" then they are different in the US. I'm
just as suprised that you do not know this.
What you appear to have forgotten, is we're talking about the EOS
10D, which has the standard EOS name. We're not talking about the
add on names they tack onto US models, eg. Rebel and Elan. You are
wrong, the rules are no different for EOS numbering schemes in the
US are no different than the rest of the world. You appear to be
fighting this every step of the way.

Jason
 
All I said that the "EOS rules" do have exceptions and because
there isn't a serie it fits in like we used to have the
1-5-50-500-5000 series I haven't got a clue what the new
modelnumber of the new 10 would be and actualy I don't care.
I can't think of any exceptions to the rule that the higher number, the lower class a camera in the EOS numbering system. If you have any I'd be interested. There is nothing magical about 5. I see no reason why Canon would break from that after finally integrated their digital solutions into their classic line.
When Canon came out with the eos 300 and 3 it was easy, there
should be a 30 as well. I doubt
There is an EOS 30, it's one of Canon's best sellers to this day. It's known as the Elan 7 in my home market.

Jason
 
Ah so the original post of the subthread was the one from KEG. now I've got it.

Well if I discredited him with the order of the d60 d30 and then 10D I think he would have seen the smiley.

Maarten
Hi Jason,

I'm afraid you mixed some people up reading this thread. I didn't
discredit the original poster I didn't even reply to the original
post.
There is no mixup. I referred in the above post to this
sub-thread, and you did respond to the original poster here:

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1019&message=7500795
Actualy if KEG wouldn't have said the original posters previous
camera was a P&S I wouldn't have posted the obvious exceptions in
the naming of the DSLR. Maybe childish but there it is.
The P&S line numbers things differently from the EOS line. If this
were a P&S camera the next camera might likely be a 12D, 20D, or
some such number.
Now In the netherlands the ELAN II had the number EOS 50 and the
ELAN II we had the EOS 50e. I'm so positive because I still use my
50e.
That's great. Not sure what it has to do with this sub-thread, but
that's very nice.

Jason
 
The 300D uses the same sensor manufacturing process as the 10D.
10D mark II is more realistic...

I think that what they will do is to improve AF, Improve FAT32
support, perhaps add SD support, EF-S... but not necessary... and
image processing similar to 1D mark II... just a few toughts...

Note that 1D mark II seems to have similar image quality at 100%
crops... perhaps a bit better than 10D... (saw some samples posted
on 1d forum) considering that, I dont think that they will improve
much on that respect.

Plus to this, perhaps to fight Nikon on the price war, they will
adopt the same manufacturing process as for the 300D (AKA Digital
Rebel). This will bring the sensor price down and also will enable
canon do further decrease the price for both 10D MKII (or other
reference) and 300D...

Just my 2 cents.

At this stage I dont beleave they will replace 10D in the first 6
months of this year. If a replacement is on the way, and by a
replacement I mean a major upgrade and not a few improvements, then
my best bet if to the 2nd half of this year, or perhaps, who knows,
beggining the next if they decide to launch a camera that will be
in the range between 1D and 10D... a 3D for example...

One can only wonder... and whait.

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Regards,
Joao Cardoso
 

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