THAT is surely true. Canon is here to make money... and Nikon too. And we, as consumers, are here to hand over as much money as possible. This system is what other people call "free competition". Prices are decreasing and performance increasing. But we, as consumers, give more and more money. That's the beauty of this system ;-)
-
Welcome to the new forums! Please read this first. For known issues we are working to resolve, click here.
VOTE HERE to WAKE UP Canon!!!
- Thread starter 110percent
- Start date
Steve Farley
Well-known member
José Luís Malaquias
Senior Member
Exactly
like so many posters said, Canon is under no obligation to give us the upgrade.
But we are under no obligation to buy our next camera from them either.
And my decision will hinge on how loyal they are to me.
I am usually a very loyal customer to the brands that are loyal to me.
http://www.malaquias.net/en/joseluis/
like so many posters said, Canon is under no obligation to give us the upgrade.
But we are under no obligation to buy our next camera from them either.
And my decision will hinge on how loyal they are to me.
I am usually a very loyal customer to the brands that are loyal to me.
--
http://www.malaquias.net/en/joseluis/
José Luís Malaquias
Senior Member
Well, I gave them what I think is a lot of money.
So, I expect them to treat me nicely, even after 6 months.
If they don't treat me nicely, someone else will get my money next time.
http://www.malaquias.net/en/joseluis/
So, I expect them to treat me nicely, even after 6 months.
If they don't treat me nicely, someone else will get my money next time.
--
http://www.malaquias.net/en/joseluis/
Ok sow now my 4 month old computerb is out of date. I expect my manufacturer to provide me with all the new 3-6 month new features . I can not remember a time in consumer history this has happened . Doesnt matter if it is Canon, Nikon, Sony the list goes on and on. New cameras every 12 to 24 months, it is the norm and is here to stay. UPGRADING is the American way and all these manufacturers will keep doing it until the consumer stops buying upgrades every time a spec is out. I for one and all for it. Thats why I own both. I hoe that my new found hobby takes me tgo the level of needing and affording a new 1ds mark2. Until then Im fine. I just think people are being unreasonable in expecting someone (Canon) to provide new feature sets ever 6 months when competition comes out. Hence this will probably provide a 300D-2....
Batman 2000
Well-known member
Simon122644
Leading Member
Pec-Kiro
Well-known member
--
Photography has surprisingly little to do with cameras, but almost EVERYTHING to do with the person behind that camera.
http://www.pbase.com/drsandell/root
Photography has surprisingly little to do with cameras, but almost EVERYTHING to do with the person behind that camera.
http://www.pbase.com/drsandell/root
Apostolis Kalliakmanis
Well-known member
--
Canon 300D Digital Rebel
Canon 18-55mm , Sigma 70-300mm APO SM II,
Canon 50mm f1.8 II, Tamron 28-75 XR Di
http://www.pbase.com/kalliakm
Pbase Supporter
If you follow any other manufacturer you will see the same. Sony 707 > 8 moonth later 717 > 10 month later 828 andI suspect a 838 or somethig in 6 months. Canon 1ds > Nikon d2h > canon 10d ?300d > d70 its all a game that all manufacturers play. They will keep playing it, it is called evolveing . I hear so much in the industry I am in. I hear in 6 months this is coming out i think I will wait till then to buy. They wait then they hear something else is coming. Their comes a pointwhen you have to understand the dollar goes so far and their is always something new around the corner.
When the Minolta Dimage 7 first appeared some 3 years ago, I purchased it as being a good buy for a 5MP Prosumer DSLR (As I recall the first in this category on the market). As one would expect, there were shortcomings that I wished Minolta would fix. They did much of this in the 7i, but in addition they made a good effort to improve the firmware of the 7 to nearly approximate the improvements in the 7i/7Hi. However, they charged $50.00USD for this firmware and I felt the cost justified the value so I bought it.
It does no harm to organize a rational, unemotional plea to Canon to make firmware improvements to the Drebel. Most companies do listen (I'm still rather happy with the Minolta, but the Drebel is more flexible). For business reasons (including competition and customer satrisfaction) they might:
1. Ignore the request
2. Do some parts for free
3. Do all of it and charge an upgrade fee for the improvements (this is ok with me if reasonable and added value to me).
So if this group has an organized way of presenting their requests to Canon, I would be for it. I mean, nothing ventured, nothing gained..right?
It does no harm to organize a rational, unemotional plea to Canon to make firmware improvements to the Drebel. Most companies do listen (I'm still rather happy with the Minolta, but the Drebel is more flexible). For business reasons (including competition and customer satrisfaction) they might:
1. Ignore the request
2. Do some parts for free
3. Do all of it and charge an upgrade fee for the improvements (this is ok with me if reasonable and added value to me).
So if this group has an organized way of presenting their requests to Canon, I would be for it. I mean, nothing ventured, nothing gained..right?
Kjell Olsson
Forum Enthusiast
dry
Well-known member
that's 3 and counting...
--
dry
--
dry
JMoore
Member
It can't hurt to ask.
If there are good improvements it would be worth paying for to upgrade.
--
Jeff Moore
If there are good improvements it would be worth paying for to upgrade.
--
Jeff Moore
Really, I can't believe you're posting this. Anyone who bought the D-Rebel has been complaining about the the lack of FEC and selectable/spot metering from day one. The kicker is you find out that some place there's an engineer working for Canon with some common sense you decided to include those features. Then some guy in the marketing department said, 'hey, if we cripple the camera we can generate sales later'. It would be one thing if the customers were asking for something they didn't really need AND wasn't available, but on both counts Canon has demonstrated poor priorities.
Robert Dragu
Active member
YES !!!!!!!!!!!!
D
Dave Lewis
Guest
Yep sounds like a good plan for a new model. Make such changes to a current one and kill the chances for a new model, are you kidding.
Why don't you petition Canon to come with just one camera - a perfect one with every feature you could think of and at a price lower than anything else currently available. (That's what they thought they had with the Rebel D, and I think they were right.)
--
Dave Lewis
Boo
Veteran Member
It was your blanket assumption that you were speaking for everyone - you used the words we and all - when what you should have said was I - I don't agree with you, I don't want a firmware upgrade and I don't want you representing me to Canon - assuming they even bother to read this, which is pretty unlikely.
Because you aren't replying properly within the forum format, you're respoding incorrectly and mis-assigning comments to the wrong person - if you reply in the right place and quote properly, you'll find it easier to address the specific issues and make it easier for other people to follow the topic. I didn't say anything at all about 5 year olds, but I did say of one rather offensive comment about Canon owing you because you paid their director's children's university fees: 'you sound like a 12 year old'. I stand by that comment, it was a reasoning that has no place here.
But that's precisely my point - you aren't. I'd say that at the moment, this topic reads as a pretty even split between those wanting a firmware upgrade, those like me that are satisfied with the camera and those who can see both views. It is the phrase "I am representing the majority" I have real issue with - I wasn't aware of voting in an election to make you Rebel users' official representative. You're not, please accept that I don't want you representing me, so please don't be so arrogant as to keep using words like 'we' and 'us', the only person you have the right to speak for is yourself. I hold different views and will express them for myself.
Again, sloppy forum practice is leading to you misappropriating comments to the wrong person. I never mentioned Intel or computer components, that was someone else.
I will feel absolutely nothing. I bought the 300D for the features it had on the day I bought it and was satisfied to do so and I am pragmatic and intelligent enough to know that as I stood in the shop, upgrades, better models and lower prices were around the corner. They always have been, they always will be. When you accept that, you'll be much happier, just as I am. If in six months the models available are vastly better than the 300D, I'll review the situation and upgrade if for me and my needs it is justified. Same as I have for each digicam purchase I've made in recent years. I haven't even looked at the data on the new Nikon, it holds no interest for me at the moment as I'm satisfied with what I have. When I feel I've outgrown the 300D, or it fails me on an assignment where a newer feature might have succeeded, then I'll review the situation.
Canon don't owe us anything now that the 70D, or any other model has come out/will come out. Their contract and obligation to us is to sell us a camera that does what it's advance specification claimed it would - that it's fit for the purpose it was sold for. They also have an oblogation under warranty to make any repairs or put right any defects. But they are not obliged to upgrade what we bought to a higher spec because the competition releases a higher spec model in a similar market niche, it's simply a ridiculous expectation.
If Canon were to release a new model with higher spec, or a MkII 300D, as a gesture of goodwill they might make firmware upgrades available to existing customers to bring it in line as a thank you for brand loyalty. But they're not obliged to unless the camera was failing to meet its advertised specification. I think some of the features perhaps needed better implementation, like AI Servo selection. But if that had been important to me, I would have bought the 10D.
Perhaps you should consult with a lawyer if you feel Canon are so derelict in their obligations and see exactly what the law requires them to do in this respect. I believe Canon have met all their obligations to me. You can't expect them to take the blame for you choosing the wrong camera for your needs, one with a specification that fell short of your expectations. I'd suggest you simply sell your 300D and put the funds towards a Nikon and hope that it scratches the itch the Rebel is obviously failing to reach.
--
So many photos, so little time . . .
http://www.peekaboo.me.uk - general portfolio
http://www.boo-photos.co.uk - live music photos
http://www.boo-photos.co.uk/lowlight.html - available light live music tutorial
http://imageevent.com/boophotos/ - holding page for recent images
D
Dave Lewis
Guest
Look, these "features" are remaining from the film Rebel. Why, when they come with a digital version of the probably most successful autofocus SLR of all times, would they want to make changes. They didn't and the camera is the biggest success story ever.
Quite simply, 110% you need to buy a 10D. Complaining about the feature set of a camera when you could have gone with more money and gotten the feature set you wanted is just the same old disillusionment we have been moaning with on this forum for three months. It seems absolutely ludicrous to be second guessing Canon for coming with the most popular DSLR camera yet. They obviously have put together a winning package. Thinking that they will change it so it is direct competition with their more expensive models is so ridiculous that I'm astounded that a majority of you complainers haven't realized that yet.
--
Dave Lewis
ronquimby
Well-known member
Keyboard shortcuts
- f
- Forum