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828 (not) hitting the shelfs
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Jamie154594
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He's just negative, that's all!
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1009&message=7363268
Jamie
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Jamie
The problem with this forum and with most of the world is that there are too many people willing to defend just about any cra* out there and the reason makers like Sony get away with the shi* they just pulled.
If what this guy says is true, then Kudos to the store and for the guy for posting it here and if not, what's the big deal?
The big deal however to me is again the people that not only BUY the junk Sony just made but they try to defend the product, try to make workarounds and try to advice others to do the same.
Now, what you guys buy is none of my business but when it means that I cannot buy a good camera because a defective one is being made AND sold in decent numbers, then it concerns me.
George
If what this guy says is true, then Kudos to the store and for the guy for posting it here and if not, what's the big deal?
The big deal however to me is again the people that not only BUY the junk Sony just made but they try to defend the product, try to make workarounds and try to advice others to do the same.
Now, what you guys buy is none of my business but when it means that I cannot buy a good camera because a defective one is being made AND sold in decent numbers, then it concerns me.
George
Harry Behret
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alonewolf85,
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Harry Behret
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Georgi,
I've seen too many of these ridiculous "the salesman said" posts to give them any credibility.
Harry
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I've seen too many of these ridiculous "the salesman said" posts to give them any credibility.
This is a bit of an overstatement. All of the reviews of the 828 have been positive (even Phil gave it a Recommended). The vast majority of 828 owners are happy with their cameras. Everyday excellent 828 shots are posted here. How does this translate to the 828 being a shi* or cra*?
If its not true and theres no reason to believe it is he's just spreading misinformation.
Its ok to spread a unfounded rumor but you have a problem with satisifed 828 owners expressing their opinion?
If you can't find a camera that you would be happy with from all the possibilites available at this time then you will never find a "good" camera.
Harry
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D P O'neil
Senior Member
Well this one certainly sounds genuine.
Phil wanted (and almost did) give the 828 an "Average" rating if you read the review, in fact he gave it a recommended only to Pro users for newbies he gave it an "average"
Not at all but the Sony police apparently do not like dissatisfied 828 owners expressing their opinion!
OH I think if he looks hard enough he will, it's just unfortunate that he got sucked into the Sony marketing hype for a camera that has not lived up to its advance billing.
Dennis
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dlark
Active member
I might be wrong but doesn't Sony have contracts with most of the major players for CCD's or sensors?
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Harry Behret
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Dennis,
How does it sound genuine? No store is named so it can't be proven. Is a major store or a small operation? I know a few camera stores that try to stick to the DSLR/SLR crowd and will bad mouth "prosumer" cameras for obvious reasons. Until I get a bit more info it will stay in the "crazy internet rumor" category for me.
The 828 ain't a perfect camera but its not a piece of garbage either.
Harry
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How does it sound genuine? No store is named so it can't be proven. Is a major store or a small operation? I know a few camera stores that try to stick to the DSLR/SLR crowd and will bad mouth "prosumer" cameras for obvious reasons. Until I get a bit more info it will stay in the "crazy internet rumor" category for me.
He still gave it a "Recommended" and all of the other reviews have been positive as well of the experience of the vast majority of 828 owners (at least from what I see here).
I'm shocked that a company "hyped" a new product. Egads can you imagine what would happen if other companies did the same thing? ;-)
The 828 ain't a perfect camera but its not a piece of garbage either.
Harry
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Moti
Veteran Member
I guess you are an expert in people behaviour... but how about this point of view -
The problem with this forum and with most of the world is that
there are too many people willing to bash just about any piece of equipmenet out there just because they they have never bothered to learn how to use it properly....
I could go on with it, there are many faces to the problem not only one.
You're absolutely right, and I don't agree with my former co-workers.
If I sounded like a troll, I'm not. Just explaining the mindset of "the other side".
Yes, Sony has a huge, innovative hand in the sensor market.
These people I worked with think Kodaks are all (ALL - across Kodak's entire line) junk. They sell the Olympus E1, which uses a Kodak sensor. Go figure.
If I sounded like a troll, I'm not. Just explaining the mindset of "the other side".
Yes, Sony has a huge, innovative hand in the sensor market.
These people I worked with think Kodaks are all (ALL - across Kodak's entire line) junk. They sell the Olympus E1, which uses a Kodak sensor. Go figure.
Laurence Matson
Forum Pro
Harry,
I am not bumping this this; I have been away all day.
Did you read carefully what I wrote?
Although I did not name the store specifically, I named the town, the store's size, and his position. I will not put his name or the name of the store out there until I clear that with him. If you had one iota of real curiosity, you would call up the Swiss electronic telephone book and find it. It is not that hard. Since they are not open on Monday, I will call him on Tuesday and get permission and ask him to put up his images.
The basic point is that such information is not really pertinent for the anecdote related. Nevertheless, a couple of people attested to the fact that I am not a troll nor do I spend my time spreading rumors.
Finally, what surprises me is that you don't recognize that someone publishing under his own name with a valid e-mail address and responding to the yowling here is quite different than your usual troll.
That people can take pictures with tough cameras I can attest to. I use one that is considered beyond the pale by 99.34% of all digital photographers. That as never stopped me, as you can see in the galleries below. I was lucky though in that I never had quite the issues I saw on Friday.
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I am not bumping this this; I have been away all day.
Did you read carefully what I wrote?
Although I did not name the store specifically, I named the town, the store's size, and his position. I will not put his name or the name of the store out there until I clear that with him. If you had one iota of real curiosity, you would call up the Swiss electronic telephone book and find it. It is not that hard. Since they are not open on Monday, I will call him on Tuesday and get permission and ask him to put up his images.
The basic point is that such information is not really pertinent for the anecdote related. Nevertheless, a couple of people attested to the fact that I am not a troll nor do I spend my time spreading rumors.
Finally, what surprises me is that you don't recognize that someone publishing under his own name with a valid e-mail address and responding to the yowling here is quite different than your usual troll.
That people can take pictures with tough cameras I can attest to. I use one that is considered beyond the pale by 99.34% of all digital photographers. That as never stopped me, as you can see in the galleries below. I was lucky though in that I never had quite the issues I saw on Friday.
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Laurence
There is a tide in the affairs of men,
Which, taken at the flood, leads on to fortune;
Omitted, all the voyage of their life
Is bound in shallows and in miseries.
Laurence
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http://www.pbase.com/cameras/sigma/sd9
http://www.beachbriss.com (eternal test site)
Harry Behret
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Laurence
harry
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I really have no curiousity about it. If there's a real store taking that position it may be interesting if we knew some specifics. Until such time its a unsubstantiated rumor.
Never called you a troll
Again I never called you a troll. What "yowling" where you referring to?
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lightp8nter
Leading Member
I have learned a lot from this site and forum, but one thing that seems to get overlooked is how business really works. In this case, this experienced and I'm sure reputable camera dealer has a long history working with the Nikon/Canon distributers. I suspect tjhat Sony, perhaps in his mind, is still a department store camera. Just that simple. I'll bet all the memory cards Andy can use, that the f828, despite some its flaws will soon be picked up by local "pro" camera shops. They just have to get used to dealing with sony. It will make too much of a dent in the market for them not to.
Its not just that technoloy is changing, but the business around it is as well. Doubt me? Check the Kodak news on the home page.
Nate
Its not just that technoloy is changing, but the business around it is as well. Doubt me? Check the Kodak news on the home page.
Nate
Laurence Matson
Forum Pro
If this were true, they would not have virtually every other Sony camera currently on the market. Furthermore, they would not have most other cameras - pray & shoot and DSLR currently being offered. He said that the camera did not meet his standards. Why is that so hard to believe after all that has been posted here? To underscore his point, he pulled up Phil's noise comparisons for the 828 and the 300D as an example. The noise of the 300D is the same at ISO 800 as the 828 noise is at ISO 100 or something like that. He said it was Phil's images that first put him off. And he had the camera there, but behind the counter. He is sending it back. He had used it and found it terribly lacking.
This shop has been in business for 50 years.
Laurence
There is a tide in the affairs of men,
Which, taken at the flood, leads on to fortune;
Omitted, all the voyage of their life
Is bound in shallows and in miseries.
Laurence
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This shop has been in business for 50 years.
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Laurence
There is a tide in the affairs of men,
Which, taken at the flood, leads on to fortune;
Omitted, all the voyage of their life
Is bound in shallows and in miseries.
Laurence
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http://www.pbase.com/sigmasd9/root
http://www.pbase.com/cameras/sigma/sd10
http://www.pbase.com/cameras/sigma/sd9
http://www.beachbriss.com (eternal test site)
Laurence Matson
Forum Pro
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Laurence
There is a tide in the affairs of men,
Which, taken at the flood, leads on to fortune;
Omitted, all the voyage of their life
Is bound in shallows and in miseries.
Laurence
http://www.pbase.com/lmatson/root
http://www.pbase.com/sigmasd9/root
http://www.pbase.com/cameras/sigma/sd10
http://www.pbase.com/cameras/sigma/sd9
http://www.beachbriss.com (eternal test site)
Andrew Thompson
Forum Enthusiast
Hey guys, there's nothing wrong with nice healthy debates, we're not always going to agree on everything. Let's just agree to disagree like mature adults.
Let's get above silly name calling and no it doesn't matter who started it.
Let's get above silly name calling and no it doesn't matter who started it.
Wtr
Active member
Woehahahahaaaaaaaaaa, rediculous!
A little off topic but still related is that here in the Pacific Northwest it doesn't pay to sell Sony digital cameras. I'm not sure how it works elsewhere but Nikon and Minolta will spiff a salesperson a nice chunk of change to hawk their products. Then come Canon and Fuji, but Sony gives zero incentive to try to sell their product. In the small chain I worked in (6 stores) they pretty much phased Sony digital cameras out because from a financial standpoint, they weren't worth the time and effort to sell. We carried their video cameras but that was itThat's why most of Sony's digi-cam sales come from places like Best Buy and other electronic department stores.
Taylor
Taylor
I've no idea why these pathetic tossers insist on posting up such feeble trolls ('a friend told me', indeed!), but why oh why do people respond en masse every time?!
I'd say there's a good argument for introducing separate volunteer forum moderators who can weed out this disruptive drivel as soon as it appears.
What say you guys?
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