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Takki said:
you have a picture of a monopod?

its cheaper than a tripod and also better than a tripod while panning?

Takki
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This is my one...



THIS ISN'T TYPICAL MONOPOD USAGE, usually you dont have those 2 arms that are stuck on the glass... It's just one big tripod leg really...

My one is a Cullmann something or other - I'm impressed with it! I compared it to a Manfrotto - and I went for this one... equal build quality - and this one has an additional 2 arms with suckers on for other uses too...

And yes they are cheaper... and easier to carry about...

James

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Great pic and great technique. You should be able to get the same or better quality with 300D, and get bigger quality prints too. By the way monopods are a single rod with a tripod screw on top. In fact, you might spot pros using it on their lens at the race track.

Since the 300D can also do continuos drive to a degree, try to frame some of the shots with the car at the edge of the frame, 'pointing inwards'. When you finally press the shutter fully, keep pressing and follow the car, hopefully some pics will end up the car in the center. This is more for very fast cars nearer to you.

And do practise before you go, at least on cars on the highway. Then you can estimate the best shutter speed, aperture and focal length rather than worry about that on the day itself.

Have fun.
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Z.
 
Takki said:
I'll contact you later, talking about your lens you used...

see ya!

Takki
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I used a 70-200 F4L. I was relatively close to the action so did not use much of the length. The longest of those shots was at 135mm.

What was MUCH more important here was the speed of autofocus so that the autofocus could track the action. The 70-200 F4L is VERY quick in that department.

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Takki said:
IF i can do that with a poor cam, then i should do it well with the
Rebel?!
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Not necessarily. Point and shoots mask a lot of flaws that are revealed when shooting with DSLR's. But your technique of following the car is valid.

Here's a shot I took at 200mm at only 1/45 of a second - I usually don't shoot that low, but the effect is quite dramatic!



I typically try to shoot motorsports between 1/125 and 1/500 - anything faster freezes the action to the point where the car looks like it's standing still.

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how about the EF 75-300mm F4-5.6 IS USM III ???

it has IS function.
ALSO I'm told i can switch off the IS, right?

Is a IS lens like that SUITABLE for taking a VERY FAST moving car?
Or is the version WITHOUT the IS-function enough?

ALSO I don't want to use a tripod.

Takki
RATPhoto said:
Takki said:
I'll contact you later, talking about your lens you used...

see ya!

Takki
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I used a 70-200 F4L. I was relatively close to the action so did
not use much of the length. The longest of those shots was at 135mm.

What was MUCH more important here was the speed of autofocus so
that the autofocus could track the action. The 70-200 F4L is VERY
quick in that department.

--
If you are a new user chances are good your question is answered in
the FAQ at:
http://www.marius.org/eos300dfaq.php

For a small gallery of my photographs, see:
http://ratphoto.home.comcast.net/
See my profile for my equipment
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so when using a VERY FAST shutter, the car and the wheels are locked you said.

BUT is the picture SHARP???????

I can't choose a zoom lens...
a lens WITH IS-function or WITHOUT IS-function...don't know...

AND i don't want to use a tripod.

so what would you do?

Takki
iMac said:
Takki said:
IF i can do that with a poor cam, then i should do it well with the
Rebel?!
Click to expand...
Not necessarily. Point and shoots mask a lot of flaws that are
revealed when shooting with DSLR's. But your technique of following
the car is valid.

Here's a shot I took at 200mm at only 1/45 of a second - I usually
don't shoot that low, but the effect is quite dramatic!



I typically try to shoot motorsports between 1/125 and 1/500 -
anything faster freezes the action to the point where the car looks
like it's standing still.

--
'Me fail English? That's unpossible!'
Click to expand...
 
LOL!

a monopod is just like a LONG STEADY STICK/BAR!

I think I'm going to use my hands, handheld my Rebel for shooting race cars.
IF I use the panning-technique.
So no equipment required, right?

BUT sometimes I want to shoot a NOT-MOVING car from distance...oops!
THEN what?

Use an IS-function lens?

Takki
 
If I can shoot FAST ACTION with my old HP cam (handheld), THEN I CAN do the same with my Rebel (with a zoom lens) too! (handheld).
Using panning-technique.

Or PLEASE correct me if I'm wrong.
please!

These days there are two things/terms bothering me:

Image Stabilizer-function and the word "tripod" (relatives together?)
(AND I'm NOT always panning)

Maybe I'm double posting posts/questions here, BUT I'm NOT really concerned with these 2 terms and my technique.

i feel VERY sorry for that guyz.

BUT i appreciate ANY help!

THANX!

Takki
Z H J said:
Great pic and great technique. You should be able to get the same
or better quality with 300D, and get bigger quality prints too. By
the way monopods are a single rod with a tripod screw on top. In
fact, you might spot pros using it on their lens at the race track.

Since the 300D can also do continuos drive to a degree, try to
frame some of the shots with the car at the edge of the frame,
'pointing inwards'. When you finally press the shutter fully, keep
pressing and follow the car, hopefully some pics will end up the
car in the center. This is more for very fast cars nearer to you.

And do practise before you go, at least on cars on the highway.
Then you can estimate the best shutter speed, aperture and focal
length rather than worry about that on the day itself.

Have fun.
--
Z.
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Takki said:
how about the EF 75-300mm F4-5.6 IS USM III ???

it has IS function.
ALSO I'm told i can switch off the IS, right?

Is a IS lens like that SUITABLE for taking a VERY FAST moving car?
Or is the version WITHOUT the IS-function enough?

ALSO I don't want to use a tripod.
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The shots I posted above were without a tripod or even a monopod (although I had a monopod with me).

I don't have personal experience with the EF 75-300mm F4-5.6 IS USM III. What I can tell you is that there are multiple generations of IS. That was first generation. It does not have a special panning mode and the IS would need to be turned off as I understand it.

Also that lens is relatively slow focusing. I'm not saying it is dog slow. Again I haven't used it but for this application faster is better. It may be fast enough. I don't know.

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If you are a new user chances are good your question is answered in the FAQ at:
http://www.marius.org/eos300dfaq.php

For a small gallery of my photographs, see:
http://ratphoto.home.comcast.net/
See my profile for my equipment
 
Takki said:
If I can shoot FAST ACTION with my old HP cam (handheld), THEN I
CAN do the same with my Rebel (with a zoom lens) too! (handheld).
Using panning-technique.
Click to expand...
Yup, technique always comes first, camera second.
Takki said:
Or PLEASE correct me if I'm wrong.
please!

These days there are two things/terms bothering me:

Image Stabilizer-function and the word "tripod" (relatives together?)
(AND I'm NOT always panning)
Click to expand...
Since you don't have either, don't worry about it. IS is to assist to get 1 or 2 f/stops through lower shutter speeds, and not to actually freeze a picture. Also, IS is not meant to be used on a tripod and won't work well with panning.

Don't recommend panning on a tripod because you have another item to control - if you're ok handholding, keep it at that. It needs practice on the tripod, and next Sunday is getting closer.
Takki said:
Maybe I'm double posting posts/questions here, BUT I'm NOT really
concerned with these 2 terms and my technique.

i feel VERY sorry for that guyz.

BUT i appreciate ANY help!

THANX!

Takki
Click to expand...
Just to add to your 'fear', be wary of Active Servo on the 300D - it's where the camera might move its focus on moving objects. Best way to overcome is to swith the lens to manual (not necessarily the M mode). Search the forum for more info.
Again, practice and practice.

Happy New Year!

--
Z.
 
Takki - I took my first motorsport pictures with my 300D on Sunday and I also bought a Canon 75-300 IS lens off a semi-professional photographer that I was meeting there. Many people say the 75-300 lens is slow, which in comparison with the L type lenses it is, but I got some great shots for my first attempt.

Yes I turned the IS off when panning and the pictures were fine but I did use the IS when taking pictures of the start line as the wind was very rough and the IS was a great help in combatting this.

I can post up a couple of pics when I get home if you like?

Charlie
Z H J said:
Takki said:
If I can shoot FAST ACTION with my old HP cam (handheld), THEN I
CAN do the same with my Rebel (with a zoom lens) too! (handheld).
Using panning-technique.
Click to expand...
Yup, technique always comes first, camera second.
Z H J said:
Or PLEASE correct me if I'm wrong.
please!

These days there are two things/terms bothering me:

Image Stabilizer-function and the word "tripod" (relatives together?)
(AND I'm NOT always panning)
Click to expand...
Since you don't have either, don't worry about it. IS is to assist
to get 1 or 2 f/stops through lower shutter speeds, and not to
actually freeze a picture. Also, IS is not meant to be used on a
tripod and won't work well with panning.
Don't recommend panning on a tripod because you have another item
to control - if you're ok handholding, keep it at that. It needs
practice on the tripod, and next Sunday is getting closer.
Z H J said:
Maybe I'm double posting posts/questions here, BUT I'm NOT really
concerned with these 2 terms and my technique.

i feel VERY sorry for that guyz.

BUT i appreciate ANY help!

THANX!

Takki
Click to expand...
Just to add to your 'fear', be wary of Active Servo on the 300D -
it's where the camera might move its focus on moving objects. Best
way to overcome is to swith the lens to manual (not necessarily the
M mode). Search the forum for more info.
Again, practice and practice.

Happy New Year!

--
Z.
Click to expand...
 
This is the first time I've posted a picture so bear with me. Please also bear in mind that this is my first ever slr , I'm new to motorsport photography and the lens I was using was a new one which I was using for the first time :O)



The above pic was panned without the IS on



This one was taken with the IS on as the wind was very strong. The pictures has been compressed a lot so they're not as good as the original but you get the idea

Charlie
Charlie Haines said:
Yes I turned the IS off when panning and the pictures were fine but
I did use the IS when taking pictures of the start line as the wind
was very rough and the IS was a great help in combatting this.

I can post up a couple of pics when I get home if you like?

Charlie
Z H J said:
Takki said:
If I can shoot FAST ACTION with my old HP cam (handheld), THEN I
CAN do the same with my Rebel (with a zoom lens) too! (handheld).
Using panning-technique.
Click to expand...
Yup, technique always comes first, camera second.
Charlie Haines said:
Or PLEASE correct me if I'm wrong.
please!

These days there are two things/terms bothering me:

Image Stabilizer-function and the word "tripod" (relatives together?)
(AND I'm NOT always panning)
Click to expand...
Since you don't have either, don't worry about it. IS is to assist
to get 1 or 2 f/stops through lower shutter speeds, and not to
actually freeze a picture. Also, IS is not meant to be used on a
tripod and won't work well with panning.
Don't recommend panning on a tripod because you have another item
to control - if you're ok handholding, keep it at that. It needs
practice on the tripod, and next Sunday is getting closer.
Charlie Haines said:
Maybe I'm double posting posts/questions here, BUT I'm NOT really
concerned with these 2 terms and my technique.

i feel VERY sorry for that guyz.

BUT i appreciate ANY help!

THANX!

Takki
Click to expand...
Just to add to your 'fear', be wary of Active Servo on the 300D -
it's where the camera might move its focus on moving objects. Best
way to overcome is to swith the lens to manual (not necessarily the
M mode). Search the forum for more info.
Again, practice and practice.

Happy New Year!

--
Z.
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Takki said:
look at this picture



that shot is made with the old HP photosmart 720 digi camera and
its made with a shutter of 1/139 aperture 4.5 and ISO 100.

I used a technique (learned it).
i was FOLLOWING the FAST moving car while pressing half the button.

(tracking technique) When the car was in the middle i pressed the
button for 100%.

I was NOT waiting there, i was FOLLOWING the car.
Maybe thats why the shutter was 1/139

No tripod used for that picture.
I was standing and moving/following the car.
Thats why the background is blurry.

My question is:

What IF i use my EOS 300D/Rebel and the EF 75-300mm II USM lens
together to shoot FAST moving race cars WHILE NOT using a
tripod?????
And zooming at 300mm??

Will i get beautifull pictures next Sunday (I'll be there)?
Please help me and give your ideas,

Please give me your comment,

Thanks!

Takki
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Today I'm told that the 75-300mm F4-5.6 IS USM has a BETTER/SHARPER lens THAN the one WITHOUT the IS-function.

?????

really?

BUT what is called a fast zoom lens you think?
NOT only the L lenses are fast?

What do you people mean with 'a wide aperture' ???
A high F-number????

sorry...Now you can see I'm a noob.
The problem is I can't buy a VERY EXPENSIVE lens.
BUT I DO want a fast-enough-focussing zoom lens to shoot fast moving race cars.

Takki
RATPhoto said:
Takki said:
how about the EF 75-300mm F4-5.6 IS USM III ???

it has IS function.
ALSO I'm told i can switch off the IS, right?

Is a IS lens like that SUITABLE for taking a VERY FAST moving car?
Or is the version WITHOUT the IS-function enough?

ALSO I don't want to use a tripod.
Click to expand...
The shots I posted above were without a tripod or even a monopod
(although I had a monopod with me).

I don't have personal experience with the EF 75-300mm F4-5.6 IS USM
III. What I can tell you is that there are multiple generations of
IS. That was first generation. It does not have a special panning
mode and the IS would need to be turned off as I understand it.

Also that lens is relatively slow focusing. I'm not saying it is
dog slow. Again I haven't used it but for this application faster
is better. It may be fast enough. I don't know.

--
If you are a new user chances are good your question is answered in
the FAQ at:
http://www.marius.org/eos300dfaq.php

For a small gallery of my photographs, see:
http://ratphoto.home.comcast.net/
See my profile for my equipment
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Hey man,

Yeah, next Sunday will be very challenging for me, I just bought a 512mb CF.

BUT did you consider this:

IF I don't pan and I take a normal shot (with a FAST shutter) when i got ready. I MUST be STEADY with handhelding the Rebel right?
And during this the IS-function WILL be an advantage?

OR not? Because the IS-function will NOT work when using a FAST shutter.

Next Sunday is coming...and the stores have problems too with selling it.
Canon in Holland can not deliver lenses sometimes.

o nooooooooo!

I hope you all understand my fear (Sunday is coming and STILL not decided which type of zoomlens to buy).

BUT I DO have fun with you all here!
(great help here!)

Takki
Z H J said:
Takki said:
If I can shoot FAST ACTION with my old HP cam (handheld), THEN I
CAN do the same with my Rebel (with a zoom lens) too! (handheld).
Using panning-technique.
Click to expand...
Yup, technique always comes first, camera second.
Z H J said:
Or PLEASE correct me if I'm wrong.
please!

These days there are two things/terms bothering me:

Image Stabilizer-function and the word "tripod" (relatives together?)
(AND I'm NOT always panning)
Click to expand...
Since you don't have either, don't worry about it. IS is to assist
to get 1 or 2 f/stops through lower shutter speeds, and not to
actually freeze a picture. Also, IS is not meant to be used on a
tripod and won't work well with panning.
Don't recommend panning on a tripod because you have another item
to control - if you're ok handholding, keep it at that. It needs
practice on the tripod, and next Sunday is getting closer.
Z H J said:
Maybe I'm double posting posts/questions here, BUT I'm NOT really
concerned with these 2 terms and my technique.

i feel VERY sorry for that guyz.

BUT i appreciate ANY help!

THANX!

Takki
Click to expand...
Just to add to your 'fear', be wary of Active Servo on the 300D -
it's where the camera might move its focus on moving objects. Best
way to overcome is to swith the lens to manual (not necessarily the
M mode). Search the forum for more info.
Again, practice and practice.

Happy New Year!

--
Z.
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Hey Charlie,

GIVE me your samples you made with THAT lens!!!!
NOW!!!!!!!!!

:-)

Next Sunday is coming!!!!!

Takki

PS that zoomlens is SLOW? So you think/agree that the L version is MUCH faster and reliable????
Charlie Haines said:
Yes I turned the IS off when panning and the pictures were fine but
I did use the IS when taking pictures of the start line as the wind
was very rough and the IS was a great help in combatting this.

I can post up a couple of pics when I get home if you like?

Charlie
Z H J said:
Takki said:
If I can shoot FAST ACTION with my old HP cam (handheld), THEN I
CAN do the same with my Rebel (with a zoom lens) too! (handheld).
Using panning-technique.
Click to expand...
Yup, technique always comes first, camera second.
Charlie Haines said:
Or PLEASE correct me if I'm wrong.
please!

These days there are two things/terms bothering me:

Image Stabilizer-function and the word "tripod" (relatives together?)
(AND I'm NOT always panning)
Click to expand...
Since you don't have either, don't worry about it. IS is to assist
to get 1 or 2 f/stops through lower shutter speeds, and not to
actually freeze a picture. Also, IS is not meant to be used on a
tripod and won't work well with panning.
Don't recommend panning on a tripod because you have another item
to control - if you're ok handholding, keep it at that. It needs
practice on the tripod, and next Sunday is getting closer.
Charlie Haines said:
Maybe I'm double posting posts/questions here, BUT I'm NOT really
concerned with these 2 terms and my technique.

i feel VERY sorry for that guyz.

BUT i appreciate ANY help!

THANX!

Takki
Click to expand...
Just to add to your 'fear', be wary of Active Servo on the 300D -
it's where the camera might move its focus on moving objects. Best
way to overcome is to swith the lens to manual (not necessarily the
M mode). Search the forum for more info.
Again, practice and practice.

Happy New Year!

--
Z.
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Hi dude!

Thanx for the samples!
I LIKE them!

REALLY!

ALSO I can see the difference of the 2 pics.

the 1st pic has a blurry background, great shot (IS is off)

the 2nd pic the object/car is MUCH sharper and the background is LESS blurry because the IS was ON.

And you DID the panning technique for both pictures?

Am I right? Are my comments right?

My decision is almost done, almost...
(situation is NOW better THAN yesterday night, I couldn't sleep)

Takki
Charlie Haines said:
This is the first time I've posted a picture so bear with me.
Please also bear in mind that this is my first ever slr , I'm new
to motorsport photography and the lens I was using was a new one
which I was using for the first time :O)
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