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sandy b
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ALonewolf85, could you post a couple of the worse ones? I'd like to compare them with some of the ca in mine. I don't see it has very bad in mine, maybe there is a quality inspection problem, maybe the camera is not being tested enuf before ok'd for shipping.
Did you take any outdoor pics?
PF under what conditions?
Flash only or with ambient light?
Ambient light onlt PF?
Am I asking too many questions?
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Could I ask you to tone your language down please?
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Moti
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Ron, I don't know what's biting you and I must admit that at first, I didn't felt like answering you. But then I went to peep into your gallery and when I saw your wonderful photos, I got a bit surprized by your strange reaction.
I'll try to answer your comments.
I have some 44 years of photography experience and I know how to test a camera myself. I can not trust samples which no one knows who took them, with which camera and under what conditions. Defenitely not samplese that looks like pure rubbish as most of them were.
And yes, as you said, this camera will work for me better then many others. Not because it's "Magic" but because I know my job.
I can post photos and you won't find even a trace of purple, but you know it doesn't prove anything. But then, lets see his.
I wasn't trying to be rude. I just said what I thought and I still don't buy his story. I can bet that if you would have that camera in your hands and tested it yourself, you wouldn't have thrown it away so quickly, would you?
I still think that if someone judges a camera as complicated as the 828, and finds it "terrible" so quickly while he hardly had time to charge the battery, not mentioning taking serious photos, is either a lousy photographer or perhaps someone who has a serious personal problem with that camera for a reason known only to him. you maybe?
Now, of course I might have gotten it all wrong. In that case, I'd appreciate if some photos can be posted by this person to show the problem he had. Maybe we can learn something out of it. Maybe it'll convince me too that I did a bad deal byuing it.
And last, if I offended anyone in any way, or was more rude then it was absolutely necessary in this case, I do apologize from the bottom of my heart.
Moti
I'll try to answer your comments.
I don't think I got a magic 828 and I will certainly draw my conclusions after I'll have all my tests done by myself. I saw lots of samples. Some good some bad. Most of them, especially the first ones were so bad that I could swear they have been posted there by the competition.
I have some 44 years of photography experience and I know how to test a camera myself. I can not trust samples which no one knows who took them, with which camera and under what conditions. Defenitely not samplese that looks like pure rubbish as most of them were.
And yes, as you said, this camera will work for me better then many others. Not because it's "Magic" but because I know my job.
If you read again my comment, You'll see that I said I didn have any anoying purple. That means for me, nothing which can not be perfectly handled in FS. From the little I have experienced till now, I didn't find any major problem with the 828 which could not be handled or fixed to my entire satisfaction.
I can post photos and you won't find even a trace of purple, but you know it doesn't prove anything. But then, lets see his.
Talking about price range. Don't make me lough. You do great photos with an S400. I have one too. I think it's a great little devil. I can prove you that the F828 is at least as good as the S400. So how come one is not capable to get out of an F828 at least the same quality as the S400? comeon.
I wasn't trying to be rude. I just said what I thought and I still don't buy his story. I can bet that if you would have that camera in your hands and tested it yourself, you wouldn't have thrown it away so quickly, would you?
I still think that if someone judges a camera as complicated as the 828, and finds it "terrible" so quickly while he hardly had time to charge the battery, not mentioning taking serious photos, is either a lousy photographer or perhaps someone who has a serious personal problem with that camera for a reason known only to him. you maybe?
Now, of course I might have gotten it all wrong. In that case, I'd appreciate if some photos can be posted by this person to show the problem he had. Maybe we can learn something out of it. Maybe it'll convince me too that I did a bad deal byuing it.
And last, if I offended anyone in any way, or was more rude then it was absolutely necessary in this case, I do apologize from the bottom of my heart.
Moti
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Ron Parr
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I'm sorry for being cranky. I made the mistake of visiting the forum before I had my first cup of coffee.
No photographer can change the laws of phsyics that govern how the camera works. One can minimize chromatic aberrations by avoiding the conditions (both in composition and in control) that produce them, but you seemed to be suggesting that you tried to find conditions that would lead to CA, but were unable to get the camera to produce it. I found this very odd.
I realize that you were claiming not to get any PF, but it seems that nearly everybody else seems to have gotten it without even trying. This is why it seemed a bit odd to me that you were the one demanding proof.
The S400 was a bit pricey at $500, but I forgive its shortcomings because it's a second camera where I'm making an explicit tradeoff between image quality and convenience. For a 1/1.8" sensor, it's very low noise. However, it does have it's share of purple fringe issues and the lens isn't alawys the sharpest.
I'm sure the 828, which fetches double the price, will do a better job.
So, what happened with the original poster? I think it's a case of extremely high expectations and not dishonesty.
From what I've seen posted, the purple fringe seems to crop up everywhere with this camera (particularly at wide angle) unless you seriously stop down. I think this could be a serious problem for Sony. People moving up from Sony's less expensive cameras or their other consumer products will expect a certain ease of use. These are often people who are discouraged from the digital SLR route despite the cleaner images, because they don't want the weight and complexity of dealing with multiple lenses, each with their own limitations. The problem is that the 828 is getting pretty bulky and it appears that it has some nasty sides to its personality that will require some significant effort to work around.
It will be interesting to see how this one turns out for Sony.
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DaShiv
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Just wanted to add that the two features I found most interesting about this camera to begin with is the wide-to-tele zoom combined with the f/2.0-2.8 lens. If one has to stop down the lens at wide angle to keep fringing just to keep fringing at a tolerable level, that decreases the usefulness of both of these features.
Correcting large amounts of fringing with selective desaturation is unacceptable because unrecoverable detail is still lost from the blooming effects. Foliage acquire that fake "digital" look, and texture in high-contrast surfaces are simply smeared out (for example, in the church sample where the reflection off of the wood texture of the pews caused fringing). It also ruins the tonality of colors. I'm hoping that there's a sweet spot in the lens that will bring the fringing to something that's in-line with other cameras.
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ookpik
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With all the to-ing and fro-ing about CA, is it possible that there is sufficient "slop" in the construction process of the F828 (and other cameras) to have varying degrees of CA across the entire output from SONY? Surely, each part must be made within a certain tolerance and the entire camera is the sum of its parts. If this is the case, SONY could reduce the CA by having a slightly stricter quality control. The downside would be a longer waiting list.
Just a thought.
Just a thought.
Chris MacClellan
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Did you take any outdoor pics?
PF under what conditions?
Flash only or with ambient light?
Ambient light onlt PF?
Am I asking too many questions?
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alonewolf85
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normalyy i would not respond to someone as ignorant as you, but you compell me to do otherwise, i have dial up and dont feel that taking 40 minutes of my time to post a pic that should go to the recycle bin with the rest out of this cam is worth my time, and for your info a photographer needs a cam that works properly, otherwise your pics will stink
Richard91758
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Mr Wolf, knock the shot down to 50k or so, that won't take long to upload, I'm rather interested myself in seeing one of your shots.
Keep in mind that it's good to have a balance of the good AND bad as it'll give prospective buyers a better understanding of what maybe to expect.
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Keep in mind that it's good to have a balance of the good AND bad as it'll give prospective buyers a better understanding of what maybe to expect.
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alonewolf85
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give me a min, ill try to upload one,im just using a happy snap of the kitchen
Moti
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Well, where is the snap you promissed?
btw, do you have another digital camera you could compare with the F828?
btw, do you have another digital camera you could compare with the F828?
alonewolf85
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sorry my pc has been acting up, time for a format
here is a pic, now i got pf in every one i shot and yes i own a 717 and have no pf at all
http://www.hpphoto.com/servlet/LinkPhoto?GUID=135c2888-2b89-30e3-2c88-2d385e5a5bfe&size=
here is a pic, now i got pf in every one i shot and yes i own a 717 and have no pf at all
http://www.hpphoto.com/servlet/LinkPhoto?GUID=135c2888-2b89-30e3-2c88-2d385e5a5bfe&size=
alonewolf85
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this cam is fast,feels good,very accurate and very nice, but the problem is the purple, like you i cannot live with it, i wouldnt accept it out of a 50 dollar cam, so any way mine will go back, for all those who dont mind some puple go for it, the beauty is in the eye of the beholder, but for me purp is not it lol
heres one sample, sorry for not getting back to you sooner ive been sick with the flu
http://www.hpphoto.com/servlet/LinkPhoto?GUID=135c2888-2b89-30e3-2c88-2d385e5a5bfe&size=
heres one sample, sorry for not getting back to you sooner ive been sick with the flu
http://www.hpphoto.com/servlet/LinkPhoto?GUID=135c2888-2b89-30e3-2c88-2d385e5a5bfe&size=
Was there anything else you were not happy about or was it strictly
PF?
Did you take any outdoor pics?
PF under what conditions?
Flash only or with ambient light?
Ambient light onlt PF?
Am I asking too many questions?
- David
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alonewolf85
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yeah i will continue shooting with my 717 until i decide on somthing else or sony fixes the problem, i dont think you should be so sarcastic towards me, I have done nothing to you, and futhermore nobody forces you to read my posts, i simply post my thoughts and if someone reads them thats up to them to decide what they like or dislike. But even some of the best shots on this forum are showing the purple and believe me people are only posting there best, so be happy with your purple, and I really hope that sony somehow fixes it with a firmware upgrade, be well and plaese have a nice holiday!!!
--Did you take any outdoor pics?
PF under what conditions?
Flash only or with ambient light?
Ambient light onlt PF?
Am I asking too many questions?
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alonewolf85
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sorry to take so long i got the flu, here is a happy snap of the kitchen on full auto, i have the purple in all my pics though
http://www.hpphoto.com/servlet/LinkPhoto?GUID=135c2888-2b89-30e3-2c88-2d385e5a5bfe&size=
http://www.hpphoto.com/servlet/LinkPhoto?GUID=135c2888-2b89-30e3-2c88-2d385e5a5bfe&size=
Did you take any outdoor pics?
PF under what conditions?
Flash only or with ambient light?
Ambient light onlt PF?
Am I asking too many questions?
- David
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alonewolf85
Senior Member
No i opened it and took some pics, its just not acceptable, not for a 1000 dollars, not even for a 100 dollars
hopefully sony will fix the problems
hopefully sony will fix the problems
alonewolf85
Senior Member
god some people read into things way to far, i posted my thought on what i have recieved, if the cam was purfect to my expectations, or even better yet like the 717 surpassed my expectations i would be saying over and over how great i think it is, im not pulling any rug, if you are happy with it im glad for you, i wish i could feel the same, im just really let down by this cam thats all, dont take it personally
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Slap me up the head with a dead mullet but what am I looking for here?
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