300D users to "petition" L lens next ?

Gotta say as a 300D owner, I don't bother to look at the 300D forum
too much. Just seems like mostly a waste of time....

I'm fine with the 300D's performance, which is pretty much as
advertised - even if the AF is a bit sloppy. Camera bodies really
should still be thought of as temporary items at this point in the
digital camera revolution. It's a great learning tool, and you
could take a full loss on the cost of the body and easily be offset
by the price reduction and performance gains of the next generation
of higher end bodies you might want to upgrade to in a year or so
--- Might even wind up with a few decent pictures in the process....

The lens quality variation cr*p shoot seems like a genuine cause
for concern though. Glass is supposed to be the long term
investment, and the amount of trouble you might have to go through
to get yourself a good copy - along with the ethical dilemma of how
to make it you that winds up with one of the better ones - is kind
of a pain.

I don't see it changing --- just want to go on record as saying -
What a pain....
:o)

Dave
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Just think, if every key-stroke was a shutter-press we would all be pros by now...
 
Is this petition about your mother ? Avery one can have his own opinion ! I prefer good critics then bad apreciation !

Will all your comment and thread about this... you are doing a lot more polution on these forums then people who complained all together !

Are these guy attacked your own integrity ? Or is it just because you want all forum members to back you ?

They have their opinion... you have your opinion... do'nt repeat it all the week in all threads and all forums !!!

Thanks,

Piel
seems the 300D users are "petitioning" Canon since they feel their
$899 cameras dont have all the features of the $1500 10D. They
want Canon to release firmware that will allow for metering modes,
AF selection etc.

Sounds to me like they should of known what they were buying and
spent the money if they wanted the features.

I want full frame and 11megapixels but I realized I would of needed
to have bought a 1Ds.

Anyways how long til they petition Canon over the fact the 28-80 EF
zooms they bought dont perform as well as the L zooms.

It just isnt "fair" that they should have to spent more money to
get better performance.

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1031&message=6844150
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Piel
 
I think it was alot more intresting that the typicall thursday morning threads ?

DIdnt you enjoy reading it ?

Didnt you have an opinoin one way or the other ?

Sure you did =)
 
There is enough crud about this on the 300D forum without starting a thread here ..

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Please ignore the Typos, I'm the world's worst Typist

 
I was apparently bad enough you had to follow up each of my post
today with nothing more than some lame comment. At least point out
why im not so "bad"

at least call me a 10D user and tell me to mind my own business and
stay in my own forum or soemthing...
 
Brian,

No offense taken. My mistake for making the subject considerably harsher than intended. I didn't really mean: "what's it to you" more like "why does it matter to anyone?"

My point is that it they're just grinding, or as we call it, wringing the last drop out of the washcloth. Can't blame them for tyring, can we?

I see this as being considerably different than carping about nothing and engaging in what I think is disparagement. I'm sure you know what I mean -- all those posts about Dell! LOL Seriously, if all they're actually doing is petitioning and making their voices heard I think they ought to be commended though I agree completely that they're not "owed" anything.

But I will say I have no idea what gets posted in those threads. I avoid them since I find them more than a bit tedious.
Sorry if I offended anyone, didn't want to get involved but to give
Ray an analogy. My post was solely for Ray, read it at your own
cost.
If it's bug, Canon should fix it; if it's a feature intentionally
omitted, Canon owes you nothing.
 
before someone notices that under the paint on the 18-55 EFs is a red ring LOL.
seems the 300D users are "petitioning" Canon since they feel their
$899 cameras dont have all the features of the $1500 10D. They
want Canon to release firmware that will allow for metering modes,
AF selection etc.

Sounds to me like they should of known what they were buying and
spent the money if they wanted the features.

I want full frame and 11megapixels but I realized I would of needed
to have bought a 1Ds.

Anyways how long til they petition Canon over the fact the 28-80 EF
zooms they bought dont perform as well as the L zooms.

It just isnt "fair" that they should have to spent more money to
get better performance.

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1031&message=6844150
--
http://www.pbase.com/bigbad
 
seems the 300D users are "petitioning" Canon since they feel their
$899 cameras dont have all the features of the $1500 10D. They
want Canon to release firmware that will allow for metering modes,
AF selection etc.

Sounds to me like they should of known what they were buying and
spent the money if they wanted the features.

I want full frame and 11megapixels but I realized I would of needed
to have bought a 1Ds.

Anyways how long til they petition Canon over the fact the 28-80 EF
zooms they bought dont perform as well as the L zooms.

It just isnt "fair" that they should have to spent more money to
get better performance.

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1031&message=6844150
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http://www.pbase.com/bigbad
 
I have a choice. I can buy the Rebel. Or I can buy the one with the
features I want. That's still in my control.
If Canon would sell a trial version of 10D, I think I would not be
angry. It just bothers me that Canon had to cripple a perfectly
new camera for marketing reason only. Don't get me wrong, other
companies play the same marketing B.S. all the time. The first
example comes to my head is that the 93 Camero Z28 uses the same
engine as a Corvette, but you need to work on the intake and
exhaust to get your real LT-1...
--

Ulysses
 
I think a much better anology is Window XP Home and Windows XP Pro.

They are eseantially exacly the same product, differing only in enbaled features.

MS did the R&D, coding, publishing and marketing, but have segmented their market by choice. You can buy either product, one is more feature rich and 50% more expensive, but they are essentially the same thing under the hood.
 
What if Canon sells a house with 4 bedrooms, and the cheaper
plastic version has only three bedrooms because the 4th bedroom's
door is locked? What if Canon sells a car with ABS, but the
cheaper plastic version has no ABS because Canon chose not to
connect the sensor wiring?
it's actualy worse than that...I can do withtout ABS..but our ABS is working part time..so we never know what to expect..good thing the 300d is not a car and the worse that can happen are missing pics.

What if Canon sells an excellent
24-70mm f/2.8L, but the cheaper plastic version lies to the camera
that the maximum aperture is only f/4? The point is that it costs
next to nothing by not disabling features, but Canon chose to dumb
down the camera in fear of it cannibalizes 10D's sale.
I want full frame and 11megapixels but I realized I would of needed
to have bought a 1Ds.
Wrong example. A correct example would be that Canon uses the 1Ds
sensor and electronics in the 10D, but chose to limit the
resolution output for marketing reason only.

--
Ray Chen

It's not about the equipments, but even the best photographer can't
make a white wall interesting with a pinhole camera.

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http://www.pbase.com/zylen
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You get what you paid for, as simple as that.
you're right it is simple as that...so we do want a camera that behave as advertized..

it does not..period! the AI focus kick in on camera shake and on recomposing and it never kick on for me when I want it...it never kick on for any of my moving targets.
Should I be angry when I downloaded a trial version software and
all I need was a code to unlock it to become the full version? It's
dumbed down until you pay for the full version price.
The 300D owners should upgrade (pay more, that is) if they want the
same feature set as the 10D. It's like the trial version of Canon
DSLR, once you've tried, you got sucked in and buy the more
expensive body(ies) and L's.
--
Brian
San Antonio, TX
Home of the 1999 & 2003 NBA Championships
10D owner and love sharp images.
http://www.pbase.com/drip
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it,s not even the real story..many people actualy want less features..many people would rather NOT have any AI servo because it just kick in when not wanted.

it never kick in when I want it...so it's just a nuisance.
I agree with you on the basic issue of knowing what you get but so
what if people want more. It's basic human nature. Happens all the
time. I don't understand why you care. If they complain and Canon
gives them what they want, more power to them. If not, and I'm
assuming it's going to be not, so be it. It doesn't affect you in
any way, does it? And they're not complaining here, they're posting
on the 300D forum so if it bothers you so much you can simply not
read about it. I sure don't.

To me this is just par for the course. Your customers are always
going to be grinding for a better deal. I expect it and I'm sure
Canon did as well.

On the merits, they have a point about the flash. It should be fixed.
You get what you paid for, as simple as that.
Should I be angry when I downloaded a trial version software and
all I need was a code to unlock it to become the full version? It's
dumbed down until you pay for the full version price.
The 300D owners should upgrade (pay more, that is) if they want the
same feature set as the 10D. It's like the trial version of Canon
DSLR, once you've tried, you got sucked in and buy the more
expensive body(ies) and L's.
--
Brian
San Antonio, TX
Home of the 1999 & 2003 NBA Championships
10D owner and love sharp images.
http://www.pbase.com/drip
--
I am not an English native speaker!
http://www.pbase.com/zylen
http://www.photosig.com/go/users/userphotos?id=26918
 
it's a bad desing and it's not working. very simple.
Sorry if I offended anyone, didn't want to get involved but to give
Ray an analogy. My post was solely for Ray, read it at your own
cost.
If it's bug, Canon should fix it; if it's a feature intentionally
omitted, Canon owes you nothing.
--
Brian
San Antonio, TX
Home of the 1999 & 2003 NBA Championships
10D owner and love sharp images.
http://www.pbase.com/drip
--
I am not an English native speaker!
http://www.pbase.com/zylen
http://www.photosig.com/go/users/userphotos?id=26918
 
would have needed, should have known.

why english people so often wright of instead of have?
"would of needed"
"should of known "

Michael
seems the 300D users are "petitioning" Canon since they feel their
$899 cameras dont have all the features of the $1500 10D. They
want Canon to release firmware that will allow for metering modes,
AF selection etc.

Sounds to me like they should of known what they were buying and
spent the money if they wanted the features.

I want full frame and 11megapixels but I realized I would of needed
to have bought a 1Ds.

Anyways how long til they petition Canon over the fact the 28-80 EF
zooms they bought dont perform as well as the L zooms.

It just isnt "fair" that they should have to spent more money to
get better performance.

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1031&message=6844150
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http://www.pbase.com/bigbad
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Michael F.
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I am not an English native speaker!
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I shot almost 8000 pics with the 300D in less than month and half..I think I can say well enough that there are problems.

but hey..now we have work arounds.. plug a 2.5 mono jack in the remote control to make the AI servo work...

press and hold the DOF button to prevent it from kicking in.

use a remote software to adjust the flash exposure compensation so that the flash photos are not underexposed anymore...

ho and to make the AI servo kick...here are the techniques:

1. jump up and down with your camera.
2. find a fence and slowly move your focus point
3. wave your hand in front of the lens.

pretty all we have to do to make the camera work huh? I looked pretty silly in the park waving my hand in front of the camera trying to make the AI brain damaged servo to kick in.
Seem to be outnumbered by those with complaints. The amount of
space dedicated to complaints, problems, and misunderstanding basic
features and functions of the camera seems to totally squash the
number of success stories. Or maybe those with 'working' 300D's
are out shooting (which is the point anyway).

I knew the limits. I bought the camera. I use the camera. I like
the camera.

Coming from an AE-1 the 300D is a 'wonder-toy' for me. Will I
upgrade? Yes, eventually. But for now if I do my part the camera
does its part-everybody happy!

Regards, Mongrel

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Just think, if every key-stroke was a shutter-press we would all be
pros by now...
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I am not an English native speaker!
http://www.pbase.com/zylen
http://www.photosig.com/go/users/userphotos?id=26918
 

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