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tqlla said:
tqlla said:
sounds like a7riii does not have many advantage over original a7r which is also lighter. Is that true. Same in Fuji world,AF was never improved a model to new models.
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A7R and former A7RIII user here. I bought the A7RIII hoping for reliable AF and IBIS, but as it turned out, it was better than the A7R but not good enough.
tqlla said:
The A7Riii is miles ahead of the A7R in AF performance.
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It's better, not miles ahead, and comes with an extra 200 gms of weight. I then sold my A7RIII and am still using my A7R (and RX1) cameras and find them more than sufficient to get beautiful pictures.

The A7RV, however, seems like a different story. Sony appears to have finally nailed both the AF and IBIS, though I have not had a chance to use it.
 
motiwala said:
tqlla said:
motiwala said:
sounds like a7riii does not have many advantage over original a7r which is also lighter. Is that true. Same in Fuji world,AF was never improved a model to new models.
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A7R and former A7RIII user here. I bought the A7RIII hoping for reliable AF and IBIS, but as it turned out, it was better than the A7R but not good enough.
motiwala said:
The A7Riii is miles ahead of the A7R in AF performance.
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It's better, not miles ahead, and comes with an extra 200 gms of weight. I then sold my A7RIII and am still using my A7R (and RX1) cameras and find them more than sufficient to get beautiful pictures.

The A7RV, however, seems like a different story. Sony appears to have finally nailed both the AF and IBIS, though I have not had a chance to use it.
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My guess is that you are using single shot AF, in well lit situations.

The A7R, and RX1 are both CDAF cameras. The RX1 doesnt even have continuous autofocus. They both struggle in low light situations, and just forget about tracking on those.
 
RaysJ said:
zurubi said:
raullong said:
Thank you, I am getting a7r3 for $700 - 110k shutter count and $900 for 20k shutter count. worth picking? A7CR not less than $2000.
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Like you, I moved from Fuji to Sony. I kept shooting with 2 systems for a couple of years and finally sold all my Fuji gear. I first had the a7r3, and if you are used to the usability of the Fuji XT-n then my advice is avoid it! It's a great camera if you can forget about figuring out the menu (unlike Fuji), IBIS is pretty bad, white balance is subpar compared to the Fuji, etc.

Now, the a7rv and the newer ones like a7iv, a7cII, a7cr are in a different kind of league. I've shot with almost every brand of DSLRs and mirrorless, and for me, the a7rv is a dream camera. IBIS is great, AF is superb, white balance works, etc, etc. Even if you go for the lower resolution sibling, a74, it'll be almost the same experience.

. Sorry to throw a wrench into your plans :(.
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I moved from Canon DSLR to A7Rlll, about 6 months ago, must say l'm quite disappointed with some aspects. AF is only average, IBIS is worse than Canon. Lots of minor issues that l found annoying. LCD screen is small and poor, almost unusable outside. EVF is also not great. Not bothered about WB, l just use RAW. But some colours are weird, l don't think it is just due WB, l also see it in other people images on Sony, unnatural.

Menus are poor and confusing.

l did try Fuji once, for travel, but the AF was poor, sold it.

Not tried the newer Sony cameras yet.

With hindsight, probably should have bought a newer model or tried Nikon, but used prices in the UK are high.
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Which Canon DSLR has IBIS? Answer: None.
 
SmokeAndMirrorless said:
RaysJ said:
zurubi said:
raullong said:
Thank you, I am getting a7r3 for $700 - 110k shutter count and $900 for 20k shutter count. worth picking? A7CR not less than $2000.
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Like you, I moved from Fuji to Sony. I kept shooting with 2 systems for a couple of years and finally sold all my Fuji gear. I first had the a7r3, and if you are used to the usability of the Fuji XT-n then my advice is avoid it! It's a great camera if you can forget about figuring out the menu (unlike Fuji), IBIS is pretty bad, white balance is subpar compared to the Fuji, etc.

Now, the a7rv and the newer ones like a7iv, a7cII, a7cr are in a different kind of league. I've shot with almost every brand of DSLRs and mirrorless, and for me, the a7rv is a dream camera. IBIS is great, AF is superb, white balance works, etc, etc. Even if you go for the lower resolution sibling, a74, it'll be almost the same experience.

. Sorry to throw a wrench into your plans :(.
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I moved from Canon DSLR to A7Rlll, about 6 months ago, must say l'm quite disappointed with some aspects. AF is only average, IBIS is worse than Canon. Lots of minor issues that l found annoying. LCD screen is small and poor, almost unusable outside. EVF is also not great. Not bothered about WB, l just use RAW. But some colours are weird, l don't think it is just due WB, l also see it in other people images on Sony, unnatural.

Menus are poor and confusing.

l did try Fuji once, for travel, but the AF was poor, sold it.

Not tried the newer Sony cameras yet.

With hindsight, probably should have bought a newer model or tried Nikon, but used prices in the UK are high.
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Which Canon DSLR has IBIS? Answer: None.
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Probably his comparison is to OIS in his canon lenses
 
rashid7 said:
SmokeAndMirrorless said:
RaysJ said:
zurubi said:
raullong said:
Thank you, I am getting a7r3 for $700 - 110k shutter count and $900 for 20k shutter count. worth picking? A7CR not less than $2000.
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Like you, I moved from Fuji to Sony. I kept shooting with 2 systems for a couple of years and finally sold all my Fuji gear. I first had the a7r3, and if you are used to the usability of the Fuji XT-n then my advice is avoid it! It's a great camera if you can forget about figuring out the menu (unlike Fuji), IBIS is pretty bad, white balance is subpar compared to the Fuji, etc.

Now, the a7rv and the newer ones like a7iv, a7cII, a7cr are in a different kind of league. I've shot with almost every brand of DSLRs and mirrorless, and for me, the a7rv is a dream camera. IBIS is great, AF is superb, white balance works, etc, etc. Even if you go for the lower resolution sibling, a74, it'll be almost the same experience.

. Sorry to throw a wrench into your plans :(.
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I moved from Canon DSLR to A7Rlll, about 6 months ago, must say l'm quite disappointed with some aspects. AF is only average, IBIS is worse than Canon. Lots of minor issues that l found annoying. LCD screen is small and poor, almost unusable outside. EVF is also not great. Not bothered about WB, l just use RAW. But some colours are weird, l don't think it is just due WB, l also see it in other people images on Sony, unnatural.

Menus are poor and confusing.

l did try Fuji once, for travel, but the AF was poor, sold it.

Not tried the newer Sony cameras yet.

With hindsight, probably should have bought a newer model or tried Nikon, but used prices in the UK are high.
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Which Canon DSLR has IBIS? Answer: None.
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Probably his comparison is to OIS in his canon lenses
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I’ve tried a bunch of Nikon, LUMIX, and Sony cameras … but only one canon, the R6.
Although it was a good camera, a reason I didn’t keep using canon was their lens ecosystem, which i find limiting, overpriced and rather poorly thought out.



On the other hand, Sony has emerged as a fantastic lens maker (despite a dubious start?) and has opened up their lens-to-camera protocols to sigma, Tamron, Samyang, viltrox, etc. This alone makes Sony preferable to canon; with so many more options, from hi-end “cutting edge” optics to very affordable cheap ones that are surprisingly good. Also I love the plethora of compact options!



Customers like me have rewarded Sony for their open system = a gift to their customers.

i particularly love lenses that are small & affordable without major compromises in IQ. (That includes some pretty fast primes! ;-)
 
RaysJ said:
zurubi said:
raullong said:
Thank you, I am getting a7r3 for $700 - 110k shutter count and $900 for 20k shutter count. worth picking? A7CR not less than $2000.
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Like you, I moved from Fuji to Sony. I kept shooting with 2 systems for a couple of years and finally sold all my Fuji gear. I first had the a7r3, and if you are used to the usability of the Fuji XT-n then my advice is avoid it! It's a great camera if you can forget about figuring out the menu (unlike Fuji), IBIS is pretty bad, white balance is subpar compared to the Fuji, etc.

Now, the a7rv and the newer ones like a7iv, a7cII, a7cr are in a different kind of league. I've shot with almost every brand of DSLRs and mirrorless, and for me, the a7rv is a dream camera. IBIS is great, AF is superb, white balance works, etc, etc. Even if you go for the lower resolution sibling, a74, it'll be almost the same experience.

. Sorry to throw a wrench into your plans :(.
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I moved from Canon DSLR to A7Rlll, about 6 months ago, must say l'm quite disappointed with some aspects. AF is only average, IBIS is worse than Canon. Lots of minor issues that l found annoying. LCD screen is small and poor, almost unusable outside. EVF is also not great. Not bothered about WB, l just use RAW. But some colours are weird, l don't think it is just due WB, l also see it in other people images on Sony, unnatural.
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I moved from Canon EF to Sony FE system 10 years ago when Sony released original A7r, mainly on big DR advantage over 5D3, my last Canon FF DSLR I had owned (also owned 1D3 and 60D), also much smaller/lighter body. The DR difference is similar large between A7r III and 1DsR (in you gear list) while 42mp in A7r III is not much less than 50mp in 5DsR in resolution. For landscape I'd say A7r III is a better option, plus mirrorless AF-S is more accurate than DSLR auxiliary AF/AE sensor (not the main sensor). At least A7r III has IBIS while DSLRs don't have. Canon lens-based 'IS' is excellent while Sony basically captured up now with its 'OSS'. So depends on which lenses you use for comparison? If you mount FE 70-200/2.8 GM II OSS and then compare to EF 70-200L/2.8 IS II (I used to own), doubt you will find much difference, or compare two similar lenses that both without lens-based 'IS/OSS' such as between respective 24-70/2.8 zoom where IBIS in A7r III should have an edge.

A7r III LCD is not good, agreed. The latest A7r V is much improved. However with mirrorless, people usually use EVF not LCD for normal tasks. You could achieve more accurate MF with A7r III's EVF (12.5x magnification+focus peaking) than 5DsR with LCD/OVF. I had/have a decade long experience in both systems.

Then if AF-C on sports/wildlife etc, A7r III is not great in this area. However in one task, eye-AF (must under AF-C) in portraiture for example, A7r III is better than 5DsR as latter simply doesn't have this feature. But anyway if you main shooting task is on moving subjects, better to get A9 or A1 series that are way better than any DSLRs. 5DsR is mainly for landscape also. Or if you stay in Canon system, get Canon RF system. Mirrorless wins in every aspect of AF/MF over DSLR.
RaysJ said:
Menus are poor and confusing.
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Agreed then. Now Sony has modern and much improved menu system in new models, not much difference from Canon and Nikon.
RaysJ said:
l did try Fuji once, for travel, but the AF was poor, sold it.

Not tried the newer Sony cameras yet.
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There is a learning curve when moving from DSLR to ML that I experienced. I initially even adapted several EF lenses on A7r-series bodies.
RaysJ said:
With hindsight, probably should have bought a newer model or tried Nikon, but used prices in the UK are high.
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Regardless, getting the latest models as much as you could. Unlike DSLRs, ML cameras keep improving rapidly in all brands.

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https://www.flickr.com/photos/55485085@N04/albums
 
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tqlla said:
motiwala said:
tqlla said:
tqlla said:
sounds like a7riii does not have many advantage over original a7r which is also lighter. Is that true. Same in Fuji world,AF was never improved a model to new models.
Click to expand...
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A7R and former A7RIII user here. I bought the A7RIII hoping for reliable AF and IBIS, but as it turned out, it was better than the A7R but not good enough.
tqlla said:
The A7Riii is miles ahead of the A7R in AF performance.
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It's better, not miles ahead, and comes with an extra 200 gms of weight. I then sold my A7RIII and am still using my A7R (and RX1) cameras and find them more than sufficient to get beautiful pictures.

The A7RV, however, seems like a different story. Sony appears to have finally nailed both the AF and IBIS, though I have not had a chance to use it.
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My guess is that you are using single shot AF, in well lit situations.

The A7R, and RX1 are both CDAF cameras. The RX1 doesnt even have continuous autofocus. They both struggle in low light situations, and just forget about tracking on those.
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You are right, I always use Single-shot AF. Although I use my phone more and more nowadays, here are a few recent pics, second thread in low light.


Sony RX1, RX1R, RX1R II and RX1R III Image Thread - Sony Forum - Photography - FM Forums

Join the Sony Forum photography discussion: I just stumbled upon an RX1 and immediately bought it since it seems sold out everywhere. :D Unfortunately the weather is terrible (snowstorm), but I had to try
www.fredmiranda.com

Never had trouble getting great pics with either camera. Having said that, I am tempted to get an A7RV.
 
motiwala said:
tqlla said:
My guess is that you are using single shot AF, in well lit situations.

The A7R, and RX1 are both CDAF cameras. The RX1 doesnt even have continuous autofocus. They both struggle in low light situations, and just forget about tracking on those.
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You are right, I always use Single-shot AF. Although I use my phone more and more nowadays, here are a few recent pics, second thread in low light.

https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4782496

https://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/1168684/356#16504981
Never had trouble getting great pics with either camera. Having said that, I am tempted to get an A7RV.
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Most camera's are going to do well in single shot AF, in decent lighting.

You will start to see a difference when you are tracking a moving subject, or if you use continuous AF, or real time Eye-AF.... etc.
 
tqlla said:
motiwala said:
tqlla said:
My guess is that you are using single shot AF, in well lit situations.

The A7R, and RX1 are both CDAF cameras. The RX1 doesnt even have continuous autofocus. They both struggle in low light situations, and just forget about tracking on those.
Click to expand...
You are right, I always use Single-shot AF. Although I use my phone more and more nowadays, here are a few recent pics, second thread in low light.

https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4782496

https://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/1168684/356#16504981
Never had trouble getting great pics with either camera. Having said that, I am tempted to get an A7RV.
Click to expand...
Most camera's are going to do well in single shot AF, in decent lighting.

You will start to see a difference when you are tracking a moving subject, or if you use continuous AF, or real time Eye-AF.... etc.
Click to expand...
Agree, that's why I bought the A7R III, and it was way below expectations.
 
motiwala said:
tqlla said:
motiwala said:
tqlla said:
My guess is that you are using single shot AF, in well lit situations.

The A7R, and RX1 are both CDAF cameras. The RX1 doesnt even have continuous autofocus. They both struggle in low light situations, and just forget about tracking on those.
Click to expand...
You are right, I always use Single-shot AF. Although I use my phone more and more nowadays, here are a few recent pics, second thread in low light.

https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4782496

https://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/1168684/356#16504981
Never had trouble getting great pics with either camera. Having said that, I am tempted to get an A7RV.
Click to expand...
Most camera's are going to do well in single shot AF, in decent lighting.

You will start to see a difference when you are tracking a moving subject, or if you use continuous AF, or real time Eye-AF.... etc.
Click to expand...
Agree, that's why I bought the A7R III, and it was way below expectations.
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Hate to say it but, User Error.
 
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tqlla said:
raullong said:
RaysJ said:
I moved from Canon DSLR to A7Rlll, about 6 months ago, must say l'm quite disappointed with some aspects. AF is only average, IBIS is worse than Canon.
Click to expand...
sounds like a7riii does not have many advantage over original a7r which is also lighter. Is that true. Same in Fuji world,AF was never improved a model to new models.
Click to expand...
That is not true at all.
  1. Canon DSLRs do not have IBIS
  2. The A7Riii is miles ahead of the A7R in AF performance.
  3. The A7Riii is 7 years old, but its AF performance is still very good compared to current cameras of many other brands.
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Yes but some Canon have IS and even the old ones such as 24-105 are more effective than Sony. The AF is only average. The A7RV is said to be much better.
 
tqlla said:
motiwala said:
tqlla said:
motiwala said:
tqlla said:
My guess is that you are using single shot AF, in well lit situations.

The A7R, and RX1 are both CDAF cameras. The RX1 doesnt even have continuous autofocus. They both struggle in low light situations, and just forget about tracking on those.
Click to expand...
You are right, I always use Single-shot AF. Although I use my phone more and more nowadays, here are a few recent pics, second thread in low light.

https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4782496

https://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/1168684/356#16504981
Never had trouble getting great pics with either camera. Having said that, I am tempted to get an A7RV.
Click to expand...
Most camera's are going to do well in single shot AF, in decent lighting.

You will start to see a difference when you are tracking a moving subject, or if you use continuous AF, or real time Eye-AF.... etc.
Click to expand...
Agree, that's why I bought the A7R III, and it was way below expectations.
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Hate to say it but, User Error.
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Hate to say it, but looks like someone's defending their investment a little too hard :)
 
motiwala said:
tqlla said:
motiwala said:
tqlla said:
motiwala said:
tqlla said:
My guess is that you are using single shot AF, in well lit situations.

The A7R, and RX1 are both CDAF cameras. The RX1 doesnt even have continuous autofocus. They both struggle in low light situations, and just forget about tracking on those.
Click to expand...
You are right, I always use Single-shot AF. Although I use my phone more and more nowadays, here are a few recent pics, second thread in low light.

https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4782496

https://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/1168684/356#16504981
Never had trouble getting great pics with either camera. Having said that, I am tempted to get an A7RV.
Click to expand...
Most camera's are going to do well in single shot AF, in decent lighting.

You will start to see a difference when you are tracking a moving subject, or if you use continuous AF, or real time Eye-AF.... etc.
Click to expand...
Agree, that's why I bought the A7R III, and it was way below expectations.
Click to expand...
Hate to say it but, User Error.
Click to expand...
Hate to say it, but looks like someone's defending their investment a little too hard :)
Click to expand...
 
motiwala said:
tqlla said:
motiwala said:
tqlla said:
motiwala said:
tqlla said:
My guess is that you are using single shot AF, in well lit situations.

The A7R, and RX1 are both CDAF cameras. The RX1 doesnt even have continuous autofocus. They both struggle in low light situations, and just forget about tracking on those.
Click to expand...
You are right, I always use Single-shot AF. Although I use my phone more and more nowadays, here are a few recent pics, second thread in low light.

https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4782496

https://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/1168684/356#16504981
Never had trouble getting great pics with either camera. Having said that, I am tempted to get an A7RV.
Click to expand...
Most camera's are going to do well in single shot AF, in decent lighting.

You will start to see a difference when you are tracking a moving subject, or if you use continuous AF, or real time Eye-AF.... etc.
Click to expand...
Agree, that's why I bought the A7R III, and it was way below expectations.
Click to expand...
Hate to say it but, User Error.
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Hate to say it, but looks like someone's defending their investment a little too hard :)
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Really, it just sounds like you didnt care to learn the camera strengths. And now you are blaming it for "Not being good enough".

I looked at the images you posted on Fredmiranda, they look great, but none of those images require continuous AF. And if you shot the third one with an RX1, I would bet it took almost a second to acquire autofocus, and it still missed.

The RX1 doesnt have continuous AF, and the A7R shoots at 1.7FPS in continuous, in part because the AF is slow.

If you had said the A7Riii was similar to the A7Rii, thats plausible. The A7Rii has PDAF and is pretty snappy. But saying the A7Riii C-AF is similar to the A7R.... that is user error.
 
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RaysJ said:
tqlla said:
raullong said:
RaysJ said:
I moved from Canon DSLR to A7Rlll, about 6 months ago, must say l'm quite disappointed with some aspects. AF is only average, IBIS is worse than Canon.
Click to expand...
sounds like a7riii does not have many advantage over original a7r which is also lighter. Is that true. Same in Fuji world,AF was never improved a model to new models.
Click to expand...
That is not true at all.
  1. Canon DSLRs do not have IBIS
  2. The A7Riii is miles ahead of the A7R in AF performance.
  3. The A7Riii is 7 years old, but its AF performance is still very good compared to current cameras of many other brands.
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Yes but some Canon have IS and even the old ones such as 24-105 are more effective than Sony. The AF is only average. The A7RV is said to be much better.
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It's true Canon has more 'IS' lenses in EF and RF mounts. But you compared apple to orange. You'd need to compare both lenses with 'IS/OSS' or both without. Lens-based 'IS' usually is better than IBIS especially on tele lenses. Now I believe Sony has captured up its 'OSS' to 'IS' level, should be no much difference. Why you are still pursuing old systems? Get the latest ones from either Sony FE or Canon RF systems. The era of DSLRs is over ;-) ML systems have improved significantly from each generation. For serious landscape photogs you'd not count on 'IS/OSS' on a high-pixel camera. Therefore I basically only shoot evening photos on tripod. To me, ISO 6400 and 3200 is no difference, just one-stop lesser evil but still an evil :-)

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https://www.flickr.com/photos/55485085@N04/albums
 
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RaysJ said:
tqlla said:
raullong said:
RaysJ said:
I moved from Canon DSLR to A7Rlll, about 6 months ago, must say l'm quite disappointed with some aspects. AF is only average, IBIS is worse than Canon.
Click to expand...
sounds like a7riii does not have many advantage over original a7r which is also lighter. Is that true. Same in Fuji world,AF was never improved a model to new models.
Click to expand...
That is not true at all.
  1. Canon DSLRs do not have IBIS
  2. The A7Riii is miles ahead of the A7R in AF performance.
  3. The A7Riii is 7 years old, but its AF performance is still very good compared to current cameras of many other brands.
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Yes but some Canon have IS and even the old ones such as 24-105 are more effective than Sony. The AF is only average. The A7RV is said to be much better.
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Okay, how good is the IS on expensive Canon DSLR lenses like the 50mm F1.2L EF, or the 35MM F1.4L?
 
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