I don't think it's a leap to say the idea is to not use the HDMI port. The presence of the port could be just box ticking.
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sirhawkeye64
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One comparison I saw (linked through FB) was trying to say that the Sony FX3 is better than the ZR. Well, for $4300 I would hope so.... I mean it would be nice if the ZR had the same feature set as the FX3 but these are two different cameras aimed at two different price points, and thus, feature sets (I had to comment and say that a comparison to the FX2 might be more appropriate but even then so the FX2 is still about $400-$600 more than the ZR). I think for what it is though, and being a "first attempt" of sorts by Nikon, it appears to not be a total flop at least (at least not yet).in term of size and weight
1. While other camera makers utilize same screen over the years Nikon make a bold decision to place a big rear screen
2. More photographer doesn`t care about EVF
3. Gripless design is for compactness and for use small lenses, if you want grip buy a bigger body
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FX3 misses things from the ZR.
RAW, total resolution, CFe B and 32bit audio
Sony's problem is they have to expect the camera that actually targets the FX3 will be based on the Z8. The rumours before the ZR release was the FX3II was going to hit mid $4k mark. If it ends up based on the A1 then $4.5K is likely too low.
RAW, total resolution, CFe B and 32bit audio
Sony's problem is they have to expect the camera that actually targets the FX3 will be based on the Z8. The rumours before the ZR release was the FX3II was going to hit mid $4k mark. If it ends up based on the A1 then $4.5K is likely too low.
areallygrumpyoldsod
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AH -- NOPE !!!
Here are images of mine (Zr) with smallrig cage +top handle +MC-N10 remote grip +HDMI and USB-C adapters +Ninja V monitor and sunscreen +Rode shotgun mic. and the 28-138/4 PZ lense with various ND/CPL filters hidden inside.
No rig - all is mounted off of the camera and system is supported off of a lens foot - so that I can change the lens and not have to remount anything.
This set-up is perfect for shooting on a panning plate located very low down or a low tripod. The use of ports limits the useability of the LCD since it can only tilt be +/- 30 degrees.
As a lifelong Nikon shooter who has spent almost 100% of my time since their launch shooting action/wildlife with a either a pair of Z9 or pair of Z8 or a combination of both - I really struggle with the "lack of control buttons" on the Zr -- while fine when shooting video, and I am sure I will adapt over time, I really mis them when shooting photos. Adding the MC-N10 remote grip solved many of my immediate issues. It has an AF-Button, Fn1-Fn2 buttons (which are assigned to PZ in video mode, but to my 2 prefered alternate AF-modes in photo mode). AND accessible WB and ISO buttons. Sure I will have to shoot Zr and my 400/2.8 TC on a tripod, monopod or panning plate - this is far easier with the handle and top monitor when low down.
And with the 400/2.8TC
And with the 400/2.8TC
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sirhawkeye64
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It probably does, but I didn't look that closely into it, only that they were comparing a $2200 camera with a $4200 camera. I mean if the ZR does have some valuable features that the FX3 (and FX2) omit, then that's an upperhand to the Zr in that area.
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shuncheung
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Nikon officially acquired RED on April 12, 2024, only a year and half ago. The design of a new camera probably takes 2, 3 years. Therefore, it is very likely that the Zr design had started a year before the RED acquisition was finalized, although I am sure the two companies had been taking to each other about the acquisition for a while.
JustSomeone
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Let’s not be pedantic.
Let me add a simple word, ‘primarily’ designed to be used without hdmi accessories.
And you correctly justified in your own comment why Nikon didn’t include a full hdmi port. Haha.
Edit: I’ve been using the small rig adapter attached to the cage and it is 100% like having a full hdmi port coming out of the camera. It’s rock solid. Perfect.
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But not this one: No, the hot shoe accommodates 32bit audio - so there are three options: internal, 3.5" input, and the hot shoe. And indeed Nikon makes a mic that works with the hot shoe directly for 32bit audio. More will come.
32bit audio works when recording RAW; OZO works when not. Options. No other camera has either 32bit audio or OZO options.
The obsession with the mciro HDMI is absurd. If you want to use an external HDMI device (e.g., a monitor) you are obviously uninterested in compactness. In which case, you can get a cage that locks the micro HDMI down. MicroHDMI is not inferior in any other way than size to standard HDMI.
12bit RED RAW, 4" 1000nits lcd with full colors, 32bit audio, IBIS. No other camera has this combo at any price. Oh, and it's compact and does not overheat. No fan.
BUT:
It does not have XLR inputs, the RAW is not 16bit, it is only 6K not 8K resolution, it has no EVF, the screen is only 4" not 5" like on some Blackmagic cameras, it has only one practical memory card slot, the battery does not last 2+ hours, it is not totally waterproof like a GoPro, the dynamic range is not 14 stops, it's max base ISO is only 6400, not 12800 like on the Sony fx3, It only has one 1/4" screw hole, the memory card slot is on the bottom, it's bigger than the Sigma fp; it lacks a big grip. The Zr is a disaster, an embarrassment, a step backwards for Nikon (all quotes about the camera from comments on my videos).
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sirhawkeye64
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I don't think that was the case. I think it was more that Nikon had to use what was currently available to save time (and m oney) and so they used what was currently available (ie. the Z6 III sensor and processor) and integrated the RED tech. The body, they likely had already designed (ports, layout and overall specs) but the internals were likely whatever they had currently at the time. So, kind of "slapped together" in a way, but in a careful way I guess is how I'd put it.
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JustSomeone
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For XLR input you can use the Tascam adapter.
Thom Hogan
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I'd say no to that notion. The ZR was clearly designed to be small. By necessity, that determined how much room there was for an HDMI connector.
Even for run-and-gun work, I can think of all kinds of things I might want connected to HDMI. Plus there are EVF options such as the Kinefinity EAGLE HDMI E-Viewfinder that are in regular use by this group.
Thom Hogan
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I do. Partly because I know the timing of putting things into production (it happens far earlier than you think).
Again, I believe that a simplified Z3-type body was already well into development; I know one was prototyped. That would have given Nikon the platform on which to put existing tech (EXPEED7, Z6III sensor, R3D raw). It still would have been a rush development, and you can see some of the edges that resulted.
Overall, though, I give Nikon pretty full marks for hitting a very good target for the ZR. I'll have quite a bit more to say about this when my review hits next month.
Thom Hogan
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Not 32-bit float ;~).
shuncheung
Veteran Member
No doubt that Nikon designed the Zr to be small, and it is precisely that design objective I disagree with. Or put it another way, I am not exactly in the targeted market for the Zr, although I'll likely get one anyway because the Zr is relatively affordable and can get some/most of the job done. But I prefer a larger body without some of the major compromises Nikon was forced to make; i.e. I prefer a body with a full-sized HDMI connection and CFexpress B + regular SD card slots (or better yet, two CFx B card slots, but that means an ever larger camera body).
JustSomeone
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So, put it in a rig, which enables the connector to be locked down. Really, this obsession over the size of the HDMI port is overblown. Rig it - simple solution, if you don't care about compact size, which it appears you don't if you want to connect so many things.
And, yes, the camera was designed so that many users can forgo rigging and accessories and create great video; hence the 4" screen and 32bit audio and internal RAW with no overheating.
Being traumatized is not an excuse for not thinking and venting. If a secure HDMI port is needed, use a rig. Simple.
For all the rest who want a compact camera with no external attachments we are grateful that the body is not bigger to accommodate a big HDMI port to comfort the traumatized.
The Kinefinity EAGLE HDMI E-Viewfinder costs almost as much as the Nikon ZR. Why would you add an absurdly expensive electronic viewfinder to the ZR instead of buying a Z6III or Z8?
Exactly. For the 32bit audio?
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