Question: how to photograph crowded places?

Crowds? What are those?

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Going to a 1st tier tourist location and not expecting crowds today is like going to a stadium concert and not expecting to see other concert goers.

When people get their noses out of joint and stand on their soap boxes decrying the manipulation of photos digitally as altering reality, isn't it a manipulation today of trying to create a fantasy of a location showing it as it isn't by trying to photograph it without people?

Is the sunset on Santorini at Oia without crowds of people in the picture a good picture or just a picture of a sunset that could be anywhere?

Is the perfect picture the Charles bridge at noon swarming with people or the Charles Bridge at noon empty? Swarming with people is reality, empty is a manipulation of reality.
Great point! I agree with you in this…

I am against manipulation in areas like bird photography (the perfect background!)…

my question was actually how to deal with crowds in photography but being a low computer skills person, manipulation just didn’t even cross my mind.
Make your enemy your friend. Shoot the crowds: Look for unusual sites in the crowds.



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As much as possible, I travel during the shoulder season. Cheaper flights and rooms and less people.

Iceland is rather empty in early to mid-September when I went in 2019.

Small villages away from the "popular" spots are a dream to visit. Kutna Hora in Czechia was empty compared to Prague.

Empty rail station

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Empty Cathedral of Assumption of Our Lady

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Mostly empty St. Barbara's Church

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Nice shots! I was hoping to go to Kutna Hora, being a retired Mining Engineer… but Prague proved to be too magnetic and we run out of time…

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Crowds? What are those?

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Going to a 1st tier tourist location and not expecting crowds today is like going to a stadium concert and not expecting to see other concert goers.

When people get their noses out of joint and stand on their soap boxes decrying the manipulation of photos digitally as altering reality, isn't it a manipulation today of trying to create a fantasy of a location showing it as it isn't by trying to photograph it without people?

Is the sunset on Santorini at Oia without crowds of people in the picture a good picture or just a picture of a sunset that could be anywhere?

Is the perfect picture the Charles bridge at noon swarming with people or the Charles Bridge at noon empty? Swarming with people is reality, empty is a manipulation of reality.
Great point! I agree with you in this…

I am against manipulation in areas like bird photography (the perfect background!)…

my question was actually how to deal with crowds in photography but being a low computer skills person, manipulation just didn’t even cross my mind.
Make your enemy your friend. Shoot the crowds: Look for unusual sites in the crowds.

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Bali, Indonesia

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Unfortunately I dont have the personality to aim a camera to a strangers face from close range… If I have to get people in my frame I rather do it in a way they are a side element, not the main one. Or their faces are covered or distant enough.

Exception being when they are on a parade (celebratory)…

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Milan in front of the Duomo

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I thought she was going to fall over backwards..

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Silly humans....



Aloha,

val
 
Crowds? What are those?

2a174154d53e451dbcc61e19ee60f4c7.jpg

Going to a 1st tier tourist location and not expecting crowds today is like going to a stadium concert and not expecting to see other concert goers.

When people get their noses out of joint and stand on their soap boxes decrying the manipulation of photos digitally as altering reality, isn't it a manipulation today of trying to create a fantasy of a location showing it as it isn't by trying to photograph it without people?

Is the sunset on Santorini at Oia without crowds of people in the picture a good picture or just a picture of a sunset that could be anywhere?

Is the perfect picture the Charles bridge at noon swarming with people or the Charles Bridge at noon empty? Swarming with people is reality, empty is a manipulation of reality.
Great point! I agree with you in this…

I am against manipulation in areas like bird photography (the perfect background!)…

my question was actually how to deal with crowds in photography but being a low computer skills person, manipulation just didn’t even cross my mind.
I shoot in "documentary" style myself, because shooting a place in the different way it can be as it is, is what attracts me to travel photography where I can try out all sort of new things. Being "real" is important to me, as it is after all my own experience that I am recording, though that reality is also curated and selective, as in you choose what you want to show. You include what you like and exclude what you do not like, just like what you do in framing.

On the other hand, I will like to say a word for those who do things differently from us. Their intention and their vision that they like to show others goes into surreality which does not need to be real, and whether we call that travel photography or by another name is another story. This can vary from removing people, staging a scene, all the way to adding an unicorn on machu pichu. The aim is different be it to evoke certain desires or emotions which are imaginery.

That will of course not sit well when the viewers are expecting to see things that are real. For example if I am just another tourist going to a place expecting to see a building which is crimson red in a picture that I saw, but only to see it being blue in real life, or worse the building do not even exist. I will be disappointed, isn't it?

It is just that we all have different expectations, imaging the same place but with different purpose, essentially speaking different languages. There is a certain aesthetic sense that leads to people doing it in a more surreal manner but appears heavily processed (not everyone's cup of tea) and hence "unreal" to some of us but which seems pretty common in award winning shots in competitions. I even saw one where a photographer had Putin's face on his work, obviously not real, but perfectly serve the purpose of satire.

The key is to understand where each of us comes from, and to draw a line so that everyone can get to do what we enjoy in our own circle in our own way and our works shared with those who share the same purpose and love in that particular genre.

That said, having to do computer manipulation is just too much work for me. The easier way is to get it right in camera as whenever possible. There are many ways it can be done which are already stated by many others here, which all depends on where you are, what you shoot and what options are available. Choosing to incorporate them into the image can at times be desirable though challenging, and if you do not like the idea of waking up at odd hours, perhaps looking for a cafe with a balcony at an elevated ground can be a way to chill and get a different vantage point.

In fact the very reason I wake up early is not to avoid crowds, but because the light is good. When in the crowds, the subject matter may have to be adjusted.

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That is perhaps one good reason to go to a place that is touristy where the aim of many is just to take pictures, and where people can often be more forgiving or tolerant of others taking their pictures instead of getting angry and spoiling the holiday mood of each other.

But the premise is that the place cannot be too crowded.
 
Didn't she get the memo? Now she's going to have to return to Milan she left all that luck behind by not spinning around three times with her heel on the bull's balls



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Crowds? What are those?

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Going to a 1st tier tourist location and not expecting crowds today is like going to a stadium concert and not expecting to see other concert goers.

When people get their noses out of joint and stand on their soap boxes decrying the manipulation of photos digitally as altering reality, isn't it a manipulation today of trying to create a fantasy of a location showing it as it isn't by trying to photograph it without people?

Is the sunset on Santorini at Oia without crowds of people in the picture a good picture or just a picture of a sunset that could be anywhere?

Is the perfect picture the Charles bridge at noon swarming with people or the Charles Bridge at noon empty? Swarming with people is reality, empty is a manipulation of reality.
I am interested in Architectural photography. My subject is the Architecture and people are a huge distraction in a picture. The human eye is good at spotting a human figure, even if it is very small. Basically I want to document the Architecture, rather than how it is. So my reality is a people free shot., which of course is reality if you plan and get the timing right.

Verona is horribly crowded for much of the year. I went in March. It was not crowded and I just waited for often fleeting people free moments.

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Lake Como is some sort of hell hole in the summer. Fortunately, people visit Lake Como to see George Clooney's Villa, rather than its monuments.

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The get out earlier answer will always be the best one.

With certain popular cities this is the only way. Venice comes to mind, hardly anyone out at sunrise
Venice tends to be full of people out taking sunrise photos. Sure in general the city will seem empty but I can think of spots at sunrise that are pretty crowded.

It's actually often better at 8am. That's before the daytrippers arrive. Late enough all the people out with their tripods getting sunrise shots are done.
 
The get out earlier answer will always be the best one.

With certain popular cities this is the only way. Venice comes to mind, hardly anyone out at sunrise except deliveries to restaurants which photos aside is cool to experience the unique city start to come to life. Those same areas by 11 AM are wall to wall people so useless for photos but also a miserable experience as a tourist in comparison.

I get out super early, come back for breakfast and maybe even a nap.
Venice is probably the best example. Couple of years ago the wife and I got to Florence, it was late May, supposedly low season… a few hours later we were back at the train station and got the heck out of that place… number of fotos taken: 0… not even possible to extend the arms to get the camera up!
Who ever told you late May is low season lied. June 2nd is a national holiday and often a long weekend. But in general May isn't low season.

Low season would be mid November until mid/early December. Mid January until just before Easter.

May will tend to less crowded than April or July but you've got the long weekend to start the month. One to end the month
 
The get out earlier answer will always be the best one.

With certain popular cities this is the only way. Venice comes to mind, hardly anyone out at sunrise
Venice tends to be full of people out taking sunrise photos. Sure in general the city will seem empty but I can think of spots at sunrise that are pretty crowded.

It's actually often better at 8am. That's before the daytrippers arrive. Late enough all the people out with their tripods getting sunrise shots are done.
We once visited Pisa on our way home from Florence. We were there at 8.00 and it was deserted. At 9.00, the coaches arrived, seemingly all at once and disgorged the crowds. It was almost surreale.
 
Sounds about normal.

The mistake people make is taking short day trips. They end up just one more person in the crowd. Spend a night or two you can show up early before the daytrippers or later after they've left.
 
That is good advice. Staying near the sunrise or night location gives advantage especially for sunrise.



The only thing is it is cumbersome to keep changing accommodation for different sunrise location.
 
What are the lens you use to take these architectural shots?
 
We were on a cruise that stopped in Dubrovnik. No way to avoid the crowds and no way to be up early or late to miss them. So I decided to make the crowds part of the subject.

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I wonder if there are still places in Europe that one could visit, not crowd-free I don’t think, but at least moderately crowded…
We've had this discussion recently and one solution is to get out of Western Europe and explore Central and Eastern Europe, much of it can still feel like experiencing Western Europe in the 1950s.

However for Western Europe, timing and location is everything. Rome at 2pm is quite different than Rome at 7am, and going to the Sistine Chapel is quite a more crowded experience compared to going to Santa Cecilia in Trastevere, not to mention the difference of visiting in July versus November.


If you get off the beaten track, even in crowded Venice, there are little gems to shoot. I took this one mid-morning at around 10.30am.



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If you get off the beaten track, even in crowded Venice, there are little gems to shoot. I took this one mid-morning at around 10.30am.

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Absolutely. Venice rewards anyone who wanders, just a few turns from the crowds and you find quiet corners full of light and character as you demonstrated perfectly.
 
What are the lens you use to take these architectural shots?
My prime architectural lens is a Nikon 24mm PC shift lens. I also have Laowa15mm shift, two old Nikon 28mm 35mm PC lenses and a Nikon 45PC. I have a 28-400 for details.

I use a tripod when I can.
 

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