JohnSil
Senior Member
LOL, if it was "Less moaning more photography", there would be no need to have forums like DPR!!! LOL
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Have Canon and Sony switched places?
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John
Maybe Sony are not selling as many lenses as they hoped so, having an open mount... This can hurt the bodies development.
MediaArchivist
Veteran Member
Here's an oldie that did not age well:
Q: How do you keep your gear from getting stolen?
A: Keep in in a Sony bag.
Q: How do you keep your gear from getting stolen?
A: Keep in in a Sony bag.
reminds me of those that put a cover over the name of the camera when in fact the grab and run thieves just see a camera that potentialy gives them the next fix, they have no idea of what a Leica is...
MyReality
Veteran Member
In a nutshell: The R5 II is better for action and sports.
A better source for you is DPR's comparison. I will try to summarize: According to DPR, the R5 II sacrifices a slight amount of DR for increased readout speed and faster, better AF. There are some other more minor differences. This was an ongoing DPR controversy for a while among two different kinds of photographers.
I think the same controversy involved Nikon going from the Z6 II to the Z6 III.
sportyaccordy
Forum Pro
They sell enough to keep developing and releasing them. FE 1st party glass by itself is still way ahead of other FF MILC systems. I think it's more a bit of complacency and coincidence. To me the R5 is prob the best technical value in the FF MILC space.
MediaArchivist
Veteran Member
How about the a9R?
- 42Mp
- Global shutter
- Native 100 ISO
- [some video something about LUTs and 10k]
I'm guilty of that, but I eventually [many moons ago] used my son's diaper bag, with extra diapers on top of the camera, whilst travelling. It worked really well as a deterrent and quick camera access.
-M
You could say that about most new cameras, which will improve in some areas, most are improving AF and video, does not make them more specialised.
The R5 is an old model. It may sell more because it is much cheaper.
JohnSil
Senior Member
I'll drink to that!!!
A very small amount of difference in DR does not make a camera a specialist. The DR would rarely be noticed if ever in the real world. I moved up to take advantage of the much stickier AF and the Eye Control AF. It also has the ability to use different accessories because of the new hot shoe. AND that its video is approaching cine grade with Canon C-log which was a huge plus.
I think that the R5ll is MORE versatile and all-around ever before and further from a specialist than some have assigned it!!!
John
MyReality
Veteran Member
It's more specialized, because those improvements help fast action and video more than anything else.
You could say the same for most new cameras. I don't agree they are becoming more specialised, most camera now have broad appeal. l agree a lot of the upgrades may be of limited use for many users. But some upgrades are useful for me, say on the A7RV from A7RlV, such as the EVF, timer over 30 seconds, 14 bit in Bulb. AF and IBIS, limited use for me. I don't do video and BIF.
Many users do use many of the features anyway.
Thirsty_Fox
Forum Enthusiast
Those improvements made it more balanced (less specialized). Now it's very at any type of photography and videography you can ask from a mirrorless camera.
MyReality
Veteran Member
I think that cameras are becoming more specialized, because that is the only place that brands can go since sensor IQ and everything has plateaued.
Hence you have the above mentioned comparisons and the GR IV, Leica's unusual cameras, Pentax Mono, Panasonic's aluminum brick, Olympus OM-1 II, Nikon ZR, etc. There will be more to come.
Brands need to create selling points to make more money.
Hence you have the above mentioned comparisons and the GR IV, Leica's unusual cameras, Pentax Mono, Panasonic's aluminum brick, Olympus OM-1 II, Nikon ZR, etc. There will be more to come.
Brands need to create selling points to make more money.
MyReality
Veteran Member
Not according to landscape and portrait photographers that were arguing in the thread.
They are becoming less specialised, they are trying to appeal to everyone. I'm not interested in video but that is one area that is being improved, pity they don't generally make cameras without video.
sportyaccordy
Forum Pro
If a camera is specialized, there are some things it's good at, and more importantly some things it's not good at. Cherry picking the most specialized cameras on the market doesn't speak to some broader trend. What are cameras like the R5, A7IV, Z8 etc not good at? Im struggling to think of any kind of photography/video they can't do somewhat decently.
MyReality
Veteran Member
The issue is not being good at something. It is about something else being better. For that something else to be better, something has to be given up to add something better.
So, keeping that in mind, you have the R5 going to the R5 II, Z6 to the Z6 III, both giving up some DR, rolling shutter performance for faster AF and readout speed(becoming more specialized).
If we go to the other end of the specialized spectrum we have the Fuji GFX100)primarily for landscape). There is a lot of real-estate between the GFX100 and Z6 III.
Look at the negatives of the A7IV. The Z8 might be that camera that can do it all. Looking at the negatives and comparisons in DPR reviews exposes a lot.
sportyaccordy
Forum Pro
I think the spectrum of cameras is more like GFX100 on one end and A9 III on the other. And bear in mind, GFX100 still shoots 8K video. In any case, there are plenty of cameras that lie pretty much directly in the middle of that spectrum, including both the R5 and R5II. The tradeoffs between generations don't make one more specialized than the other. It could be argued the R5 is the more specialized one as it's more stills focused while the R5II is more of a true hybrid camera- aka the exact opposite of specialization.
I get the feeling you prioritize stills IQ/performance above all else, and deem any concessions to video as specialization. In reality, a camera that looks for a balance between stills and video is as unspecialized as it gets.
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