Is anyone else using AI as a learning aid?

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While I'm sensitive to the fact that tools like Chat GPT are trained on real artists data, including my own, I've been experimenting with it as a way to reimagine some of my not-quite-right images.

I shot this panoramic a few years ago, but the execution is off.

The possibilities that Chat GPT envisioned through a change of perspective and bringing the sun into center stage rather than off stage right make all the difference from presenting a clear subject to enhanced color depth (chromatic range?) when viewing sunrises from that angle.

I could not have acheived this perspective in the original, but it provides a visual reference as I approach similar topics in the future. For someone like me, who is a visual learner, I'm finding it more useful than spoken or written critiques.

And I liked the CGPT version so much, its now hanging on my wall.

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Well, aside from what appears to be a slightly tilted horizon I like the original a lot better. The AI version isn't for me, I guess.
 
I like the wider view better. The scene is too bright where the sun is. Some editing of raw file could fix that and bring out some detail.

To your question, I don't use CGPT for photo-related stuff or any critical work at all. I use it for purely technical things. For example, if there is a complex code in one language and I cannot convert it to another language, CGPT does it well. It also follows proper coding conventions, upper/lower case words, etc.
 
And I liked the CGPT version so much, its now hanging on my wall.

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I think it taught you how to make a painting.

Setting aside that particular rendering style, the suggestion is pretty formulaic: rule of thirds, heavy saturation. I agree with another poster that your own shot is more interesting, though the horizon needs to be straightened.

But if you like what you're learning, there are now AI tools in photo editing software that will judge the technical and esthetic merits of every photo you shoot, and maybe automatically 'correct' them if you want. Probably you'll soon be able to define any set of parameters describing the imaginary AI expert so that it will produce results with whatever 'taste' and 'personal vision' you prefer.
 
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If I were trying to learn a new skill or develop my own artistic capabilities and artistic vision, I would not rely on AI. You need to ask yourself, do I want this art to come from inside me? Or am I willing to become just a flesh and blood clone of some AI computer's vision of the world? If you want to learn about composition and aesthetics, read some books, go to museums, go to art and photo galleries, go to art fairs. Look at what the artists have done there. There are thousands of photos and pieces of artwork created by the generations that precede us to learn from.
 
And I liked the CGPT version so much, its now hanging on my wall.

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I think it taught you how to make a painting.

But aside from that particular rendering style, the suggestion is pretty formulaic: rule of thirds, heavy saturation. I agree with another poster that your own shot is more interesting, though the horizon needs to be straightened.

If you like what you're learning, there are now AI tools in photo editing software that will judge the technical and esthetic merits of every photo you shoot, and maybe automatically 'correct' them if you want. Probably you'll soon be able to define any set of parameters describing the imaginary AI expert so that it will produce results with whatever 'taste' and 'personal vision' you prefer.
Interesting that two people like the original better. I like it but my eye doesn't stay on the page. I always end up wanting to see more of the sun. What tools have you used? I've messed around with gen AI in PS, but that's about it.

I took a quick run at the original again to see if I can pop those colors and I fixed the horizon.



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When I'm photographing a scene, I may try several variations to get what I consider to be the best result. I often make that decision later of course. But the real enjoyment I get from photography is arriving at a photo that I'm proud of -- my own achievement.

It's certainly possible to learn from studying other photographs, and AI may be of some use, but I wouldn't feel good about adopting the AI generated version.

BTW, I also see qualities I like in your original that seem to be lost in the AI version.
 
The Chat GPT version looks like an HDR watercolor to me. It lightened the shadows way too much, reducing contrast in the scene so that is doesn't look realistic.

I think the reason you may like it more is because the sun acts as a focal point.

I don't use AI to improve my compositions. I like to experiment on my own.
 
Do you mind sharing the original raw file via Google drive or another way?

May be we can get a good idea from members' ideas in editing such scene.

If you are unable to share, that's fine... just a thought.
 
... If you like what you're learning, there are now AI tools in photo editing software that will judge the technical and esthetic merits of every photo you shoot, and maybe automatically 'correct' them if you want. Probably you'll soon be able to define any set of parameters describing the imaginary AI expert so that it will produce results with whatever 'taste' and 'personal vision' you prefer.
What tools have you used?
None that do what I was talking about. I just know they exist.
I've messed around with gen AI in PS, but that's about it.
Various functions in photography software can be AI powered: noise reduction, sharpening, masking, object removal, object generation, blurring. keywording, searching, and probably more. I use some of those, but I don't use AI to advise me about my photographic choices.
I took a quick run at the original again to see if I can pop those colors and I fixed the horizon.

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Well ... that's now too 'poppy' for me compared to the original, but it's yours to decide.
 
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would be to resubmit the AI version to them and see what they do with it second time around.
 
would be to resubmit the AI version to them and see what they do with it second time around.
That way madness lies my friend. There are two things that AI is not. It is never unknowing and will never admit that your original source input needs no improvement.

For kicks I did as you asked and it pretty much gave me back the same image with more of a Terry Redlin vibe.
 
That way madness lies my friend. There are two things that AI is not. It is never unknowing and will never admit that your original source input needs no improvement.
A life lesson for all of us in the age of Skynet.
For kicks I did as you asked and it pretty much gave me back the same image with more of a Terry Redlin vibe.
Back to Saturday Evening Post, makes you wonder if it's a photo critic or a warm and fuzzy dispenser for "the viewer". Judging by the amount of orangey/warmey it hit your original with, it's starting to look like the latter.
Worth doing, ta.
 
Definitely yes I use AI for learning all the time. Chat GPT general stuff and for bouncing ideas. Notebook LM for more structured closed domain applications.
Hi early I never considered using it for aesthetics. But I don’t even really look for advice with that. That needs to come from me.
Where I do use AI is more technical stuff. An example was learning about sound. I bought a Zoom H1XLR, bad choice I now know, and then couldn’t work out how to make a stereo recording with it. A few months later I’m familiar with Mid side, spaced pair, NOS, XY and ORTF. It has been fascinating and lots of fun. All using LLMs as a research assistant and general guide. it gave me easy access to information.
Yea I know it can give false information and so on but you would have to be a bit strange to treat it like a god. I tend to check and verify information where ever it comes from. AI is pretty much just an aggregator of what information is in the internet. Stuff can be wrong
 
I really like the AI-treated version. It brings the most important parts of the image into play (or at least uncomplicates the wider scene) and sets it all off with the sun. It's given a very painterly effect, but I also like that. I can't blame the OP for putting it on the wall. I'd also hazard that if the OP shared the AI image without drawing attention to the fact it was AI what did it, the comments would be quite different. I know that can't be proved, but AI elicits strong, negative responses in a lot of posters here.

I enjoy chatting to CGPT about photography and lenses. It's far more enjoyable than the "enshittified" Web browsers out there for finding stuff. I'm aware that CGPT and other AI programmes are echo chambers in their ways, talking back in ways that mimic positivity. Seeing past that and keeping you wits about you results in some great outcomes. I've not used CGPT to edit any images, but seeing what the OP has shared here, I may give it a spin.
 
I'm not sure about what ChatGPT taught you here.

As for me, photography prompted me to take a closer look at my environment, and, more specifically, discovering how the mundane may look weird sometimes.

I don't believe AI would be of much help in this respect.

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Interesting.

The original image is clearly better than the AI image, even with it's "flaws". Here's why, and perhaps I should state, the original image offers a starting point, a genesis if you will, of where you could go, even though you said you were limited (I'm guessing due to where you were standing while shooting) in being able to get the sun in the frame.

With the original, I get a very strong sense of place and emotion of the scene. I can *feel* the muck around my boots, the annoying black flies or whatever is buzzing around me, the warmth of the light as it caresses the landscape. I believe the shot - it's real, and I can absolutely imagine being there. I *want* to be there, to see that wonderful light. There's almost an emotion of jealousy when I see this - I'd rather be at (and shooting) that scene than sitting indoors typing this on a keyboard. And even with some "flaws", there's a lot to like about the original shot. So sure, you couldn't get the sun in the frame. So if it's absolutely impossible to do so while shooting, don't. Either leave something in, or leave something out - one rule I learned a long time ago is actually from a photography portfolio consultant a lot of the NYC based serious photographers in the 70's went to - Henrietta Brackman, and I never forgot it: "When in doubt, leave it out". Now from a photography-at-the-scene perspective, that might be changed to "make sure you take as many shots as possible from different angles because you'll never be able to repeat the situation" (Joe McNally has a line that hints to this). But in your original shot the sun occupies the middle ground - it doesn't add, so crop it out just slightly, or darken the impact of it so the good parts of the scene - and there are many - aren't diminished.

The technical knowledge of what you could do to make your original scene stand out might be found via chatGPT, but would be better served by more traditional technical education in the areas of post. One thing for sure is that rule one is to not remove anything that is already working in the scene - the "do no wrong to what is good" theory, similar to what an audio mastering engineer does if they get a very well recorded track into tweak - they make sure they operate in a manner that doesn't destroy what is good. So the color and tone is nice, the overall feel. But then one has to realize - if this is meant for print, with a far more limited dynamic range than a transmissive medium like a display, we're going to have to brighten up - in a realistic way (hugely important - the world 'realistic'), and in your case that means leaving the bright parts of the image alone, the near-bright parts alone, but perhaps increasing a bit of brightness on things that may appear muddy on a print. So in this case, a test print would be the starting point, then some subtle changes, another test print. That process would be more educational than an AI tool because you'll see and visually remember the next time.

From a cropping/composition point of view, while AI might be used to offer different crops, I would again say it would be better to get in the habit of shooting as much as you can while the light is good, moving around, and waiting for sure until the light is truly "gone" before you leave. I remember the advice I got from a famous photographer who told me to always be the last one leaving a scene after sunset, and I remember another saying "move your ***" so you have more options later. Those extra shots, even if they aren't useful, will eventually train your visual system to see opportunities the next time.

As for the AI shot, bluntly, it's horrible. It turned something with promise into a cheap discount store painting you find for 1.99 in the dusty back corner near lawn utensils, to be ignored. It is way over-saturated the crop is sterile - the AI engine is just following predetermined "rule of thirds" guidelines without any humanistic view of the final image, and it offers zero emotion. While your original image made me jealous, wanting to be there, feeling the sense of place and time, the AI image does none of that. Synthetic, unrealistic, and cheap.

Bottom line: use chatGPT for what it's good at: research, summarizing text, getting code snippets as a developer, etc. I would never touch it for anything involving creativity. It just ain't there yet. And that's not even considering the ongoing research that those who heavily rely on AI engines to replace thinking show losses in cognitive ability and I'd argue, in visual ability.

You'd be better off to shoot as much as you can, move as much as you can while shooting, and then go study the works of other photographers who shoot similar things and grow visually, and leave chatGPT and it's ilk for other things.

I'd like to see you work with the original more as opposed to using chatGPT. I bet you could end up with something, while not optimum, would still be quite interesting.
 
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, I've been experimenting with it as a way to reimagine some of my not-quite-right images.

I shot this panoramic a few years ago, but the execution is off.

The possibilities that Chat GPT envisioned through a change of perspective and bringing the sun into center stage rather than off stage right make all the difference from presenting a clear subject to enhanced color depth (chromatic range?) when viewing sunrises from that angle.

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The main improvement here is the composition. The addition of the sun and the watercolorish treatment really isn't anything to contribute to the learning experience it's a different image treatment all together, and not something you are going to learn from and apply unless you're also looking for a dramatic post processing workflow transforming photography to more of a painterly result.

But I find it interesting that ai ran quickly away from the pano composition and returned with a more classic format, then corrected the composition quite well. I think those were good choices it made as the pano format is rarely a successful composition and mostly just presents a documentary style of documenting a wide subject, but rarely are they pleasing as a composition.

If it's teaching you improved composition and you are seeing it and are able to apply it in your photography, then I would say that alone is a good outcome from using ai this way.
 
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While I'm sensitive to the fact that tools like Chat GPT are trained on real artists data, including my own, I've been experimenting with it as a way to reimagine some of my not-quite-right images.

I shot this panoramic a few years ago, but the execution is off.

The possibilities that Chat GPT envisioned through a change of perspective and bringing the sun into center stage rather than off stage right make all the difference from presenting a clear subject to enhanced color depth (chromatic range?) when viewing sunrises from that angle.

I could not have acheived this perspective in the original, but it provides a visual reference as I approach similar topics in the future. For someone like me, who is a visual learner, I'm finding it more useful than spoken or written critiques.

And I liked the CGPT version so much, its now hanging on my wall.

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OK. What did you learn?
 
Yes, I had that complaint with Topaz AI. It couldn't tell when the best course of action was to do nothing. It always wanted to do something and that something was usually a mistake.
 

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