Well, it is worth pixel-peeping. This is not really good for more than postcard size: it is a grainy, watercolory mess with blown highlights and exaggerated halos that stand out even at postcard size. It is well possible that the processing is stellar for what the phone had to work with (small light sensitivity and sensor offset by multiple computationally combined exposures). But if you put in the work with a good camera (admittedly the light might favor larger sensors than that of the RX10M4, but it should already be a solid start), you should get something that scales better.Taken tonight handheld with my iphone 13 pro max:
I own an iPhone 14. From the shadow I see there is a light source, street light maybe. By shooting RAW with my RX10iv I could do a shot like this and it would be better because this photo looks more like a painting than a photograph. What I mean to say the IQ is really poor. Normally I wouldn't comment but you made a claim I don't agree with so I had to comment. Now here's some I know you couldn't get with your iPhone.Taken tonight handheld with my iphone 13 pro max:
Given the rather appalling image quality at the detail level, the dynamic range of a single shot is likely sufficient for HDR processing in a reasonable raw converter.
That was really my point. And I wasn't trying to suggest that no-one could do it with an RX10m4, just that I couldn't
. And there's another factor - one sees the opportunity for a nice shot, but I'm riding a bike with no luggage fitted and it would therefore have been difficult to carry the RX10 (although I have on occasions done it), and presumably I would have needed a tripod. And then the skills in PL8 to put it all together.
Yes I agree - and the point of showing it is that indeed the processing of the iphone does indeed seem to be 'stellar' (and I'm about to receive a 17 promax which will be interesting). The resultant processed image is a jpg of only 1.4mb which no doubt partially explains the watercolour effect (I wonder whetherI should have explored Apple's 'proraw' abilities)Well, it is worth pixel-peeping. This is not really good for more than postcard size: it is a grainy, watercolory mess with blown highlights and exaggerated halos that stand out even at postcard size. It is well possible that the processing is stellar for what the phone had to work with (small light sensitivity and sensor offset by multiple computationally combined exposures). But if you put in the work with a good camera (admittedly the light might favor larger sensors than that of the RX10M4, but it should already be a solid start), you should get something that scales better.Taken tonight handheld with my iphone 13 pro max:
Indeed, the shadow makes clear that the bike is lit by a streetlight, not by the moon. And the lack of a pronounced moon shadow makes clear that the streetlight is actually pretty bright.
If "handheld" is the deciding criterion, there may be a point in figuring out what it takes not to have to depend on it.
Well yeah, this kind of shot indeed is quite impossible to do with an RX10M4 when having left it at home.That was really my point. And I wasn't trying to suggest that no-one could do it with an RX10m4, just that I couldn't
Honestly? With that image quality, extended ISO on the RX10M4 should work fine.
"Leave the processing to me" is a big selling point of phone photography. That's the reason why we tend to talk more in terms of "feasible" than "easy" in those kinds of comparison.
To be fair: otherwise the moon would be pinhead size.
In that case do as I do, carry an RX100vii.
Even the JPEG looks better than the phone but worse than the processed RAW.I have a recent example of how a phone and an RX100 compare. I was staying in a hotel room that overlooked the opera square, where there was an open-air concert (nothing to do with my visit) one night. At the end was a fireworks display. I took some pics with my phone, and others with my RX100m6, shooting R+J (unusually for me).
First, a phone shot:
Unedited phone camera shot
Now an OOC RX100m6 JPEG:
OOC JPEG
And this is what I produced using PL8:
Processed from raw in PL8
Yes, I think fireworks probably cause trouble for the phone's auto-HDR computational magic tricks. So it has badly blown highlights and unrecovered shadows.Even the JPEG looks better than the phone but worse than the processed RAW.I have a recent example of how a phone and an RX100 compare. I was staying in a hotel room that overlooked the opera square, where there was an open-air concert (nothing to do with my visit) one night. At the end was a fireworks display. I took some pics with my phone, and others with my RX100m6, shooting R+J (unusually for me).
First, a phone shot:
Unedited phone camera shot
Now an OOC RX100m6 JPEG:
OOC JPEG
And this is what I produced using PL8:
Processed from raw in PL8
You don't need a tripod or editing skills to use the HDR mode in the RX10M4. It automatically takes the successive photos immediately and blends them together in camera.That was really my point. And I wasn't trying to suggest that no-one could do it with an RX10m4, just that I couldn't
Mike
Has anyone looked at the Apple ProRaw format? .... I am not even sure that PL8 would recognise it, but certainly Apple's own editor (Photos) would presumably be able to recover some shadow detailYes, I think fireworks probably cause trouble for the phone's auto-HDR computational magic tricks. So it has badly blown highlights and unrecovered shadows.Even the JPEG looks better than the phone but worse than the processed RAW.I have a recent example of how a phone and an RX100 compare. I was staying in a hotel room that overlooked the opera square, where there was an open-air concert (nothing to do with my visit) one night. At the end was a fireworks display. I took some pics with my phone, and others with my RX100m6, shooting R+J (unusually for me).
First, a phone shot:
Unedited phone camera shot
Now an OOC RX100m6 JPEG:
OOC JPEG
And this is what I produced using PL8:
Processed from raw in PL8
It won’t, as it’s not a true raw format.Has anyone looked at the Apple ProRaw format? .... I am not even sure that PL8 would recognise it,Yes, I think fireworks probably cause trouble for the phone's auto-HDR computational magic tricks. So it has badly blown highlights and unrecovered shadows.Even the JPEG looks better than the phone but worse than the processed RAW.I have a recent example of how a phone and an RX100 compare. I was staying in a hotel room that overlooked the opera square, where there was an open-air concert (nothing to do with my visit) one night. At the end was a fireworks display. I took some pics with my phone, and others with my RX100m6, shooting R+J (unusually for me).
First, a phone shot:
Unedited phone camera shot
Now an OOC RX100m6 JPEG:
OOC JPEG
And this is what I produced using PL8:
Processed from raw in PL8
Sure, but without the range of features of PhotoLab, including AI NR.
