Ordered a simple little Panny 12-32 lens, and wow....

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... the Panasonic 12-32mm is a real cracker of a lens. Absolutely tiny, but a really great performer. And an ideal choice for a smaller ILC. And for street shooting or travel use.

If you bought a used one from ebay or Craigslist there would be no tariff on it. Even brand new ones that were imported prior to recently would be reasonably priced as well.

GM1 with 12-32mm, EM1 with 17mm f/1.8. EM5 with 14-42mm

GM1 with 12-32mm, EM1 with 17mm f/1.8. EM5 with 14-42mm
Good advice Marty but I guess that the cheap local supply will dry up soon enough and the prices will rise. Good for sellers I expect.
I managed to buy a 12-32mm from a friendly forum member. :-)

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Left is my always carried Sony RX100M6 and middle is my second E-P5 with the 12-32mm, it's a backup lens I often carry when travelling with my usual 12-40mm shown on the right.

The 12-32mm works a treat when I want small and light and I know that I won't be shooting in dimmer conditions. Otherwise the big 12-40mm is my usual lens when out and about.
 
The kit 12-32 is a little miracle. Often neglected because it is the little collapsing lens that came with the camera as a de facto camera body cap. But they are good performers and amazingly have in-lens optical stabilisation. Which they truly need.

Recent purchases of a second hand G100 cameras where I could not resist a temporary drop in the market price brought me one that had the dreaded loose extension ring. Easily fixed with a piece of thin double sided tape. Just as easily broken loose by a strong over-enthusiastic twist in the wrong direction*. With a tiny amount of practice it is easy to "know" the feel of resistance before the retraction detent is overcome. If it seems over baulky then the twist is probably in the wrong direction so before it is "forced" best try the other direction first. To assist there are two marks that need to align when the lens is retracted - move them towards each other so that they match.

But getting anyone to admit that they used excessive force is pretty hard.

* Place two small opposed pieces of very thin double sided tape over the exposed lens barrel which should be in its fully retracted position - then line up the mark on the zoom ring cover with the mark on the stub and carefully slide it over the barrel until it slides home and grips.
 
I paid $175 for the lens and realized that, at least temporarily, I would be required to pay a reasonable import duty charge. However, I was naive enough to wrongfully assume that duties were only charged for new imports, not used.
$184 like new at MPB
 
That would have been $308, wow. I paid just a little more than that for my new G100 from Ebay a few years back which included the 12-32mm lens, new! I just buy from the USA mostly.

Sometimes I used to buy from Canada too. Probably not a good idea now?
 
Sometimes I used to buy from Canada too. Probably not a good idea now?
If it's made in China, the tariff rate for goods made in China is supposed to apply, even if shipped from Canada, but it's all very hit-and-miss because these tariffs have happened much faster than things like this usually happen, so not all parcel services are prepared to deal with it properly.
 
Hello all...

Hope all is going well in your individual lives...

I've got a quick tariff/import duties story here - and I "don't" want it to get political - although I realize that for some folks, they can't help but get their political jabs in. I'm aware of how import duties work and the purpose behind these tariffs in the first place, so I'm not going to argue with anyone about the matter.

This experience is being relayed just to make you aware of some shipping organizations and how import duties are collected.

A month ago, I saw an almost new Panny 12-32 zoom lens from a Japanese vendor on eBay. I personally love buying items from Japanese vendors (at least in the past I have) because when they advertise something as mint (or any other condition), that's just the way the item arrives, so you're expectations (for the most part) are met.

Prior to them shipping the lens, the eBay vendor informed me - actually asked me - if I was going to be OK with the import duties that I may be charged when it arrives in the US. I said, "yes I am," since I assumed that perhaps the most I'd be charged is $50 or less. I paid $175 for the lens and realized that, at least temporarily, I would be required to pay a reasonable import duty charge. However, I was naive enough to wrongfully assume that duties were only charged for new imports, not used.

So they shipped the lens via DHL, and when it arrived in the US, I was called with a recorded message, indicating that I had to pay - and now get this - $133 in import duties. I almost passed out when I heard this, and this for a lens that only cost me $175? I was shocked to say the least, as I was prepared to pay reasonable fees, but $133 (almost 3/4 of what the lens cost me) was ridiculous. So I informed DHL to send the lens back to the vendor. I know he wasn't happy, but he was informative saying that depending on where an item is made - i.e. Japan or China - the amounts would be different. Since the 12-32 I ordered was made in China, the largest import duties were assigned (I believe they are 60% or something like that). Talk about a learning experience!!!

Now in another matter, several weeks ago, I also ordered an Olympus (Mint) X-Z1 enthusiast camera. It set me back some $250 and it arrived via Fed Ex. I was stunned to see that no import duties were charged to me at all - not even in the mail after-the-fact. Normally, you are notified up front of the levies, so I found that interesting - and it also was made in China.

Again - don't make this political. I just wanted you to be aware when you order items from eBay, depending on how it's shipped, you could be asked to pay a hefty amount in import duties. As I said, I basically replied to DHL, just send it the "f_ck" back to the vendor. In that case, DHL holds on to the item for 10-12 days before they send it back.

So if you are going to order something off of eBay (electronic like a camera or whatever), check with them as to how they ship the product. It may make a difference.

So just a friendly warning here...

Ben Herrmann

Fuquay-Varina, NC
Whilst this must be frustrating, it doesn't seem fair to your seller to return it to them after if has arrived in your country. You say they checked that you were ok with the import duties before shipping.

If I was the seller, I wouldn't be happy.

Just my thoughts.
 
Whilst this must be frustrating, it doesn't seem fair to your seller to return it to them after if has arrived in your country. You say they checked that you were ok with the import duties before shipping.

If I was the seller, I wouldn't be happy.

Just my thoughts.
I agree 100%. As per DHL policy:

"All undeliverable Shipments will be returned to the DHL eCommerce facility for customer identification and return service preference. Shipper may be liable for any and all charges and fees incurred in returning, storing or disposing of an undeliverable shipment unless the undeliverable shipment was due to the fault of DHL eCommerce."

So, the seller will be out the cost of shipping it out, plus the cost of getting it returned to them, plus extra fees, all because the buyer underestimated the tariffs they said they'd be okay paying.
 
I wonder if that camera was already in the States, or perhaps was shipped before the tariffs kicked in. The on again, off again nature of these tariffs has wrecked havoc with international trade, and I've heard you can't even get a package shipped from the EU at the moment, until they sort out all the details.
Australia has stopped accepting parcels that are to be posted to USA. https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-08...it-shipping-parcels-us-trump-tariff/105680456 though there is mention of a $150 threshold.

As for de minimis taxing in general the threshold for importing into Australia is AU$1000 per parcel. The Govt has declared a few times that the manpower cost of taxing every parcel is simply not worth any likely gains, so our de minimis stays at AU$1000. Above that and we are slugged the usual local 10% GST tax plus any likely fees.

In fact overseas sellers into Australia may have to collect the tax...

"In Australia, the de minimis threshold is set at AUD 1,000, meaning that goods valued below this amount can be imported without incurring customs duties or taxes. However, if a seller's annual sales into Australia exceed AUD 75,000, they must register and remit Goods and Services Tax (GST) on those sales."

So as I understand that, if I buy a $50 item from some overseas seller and they send more that $75,000 in total per year to Australia then my $50 item with have the Aussie 10% added at the source before posting.

It's all too complicated, I'm retreating back into my cave and will clog up the entrance with rocks.
Guy,

You are outdated. What has happened is that "Purchase" and "Import" Facilitators are obliged to charge the 10% GST on everything imported to Australia valued at under AUD$1,000.

This means literally everything from that $1 purchase, that second hand purchase from a private seller, to regular vendors whether or not they annually sell AUD$75,000 of product to Australia. Firms such as eBay and Ali-Express auto-charge the GST on everything. Also Fed-Ex, DKL, and other freight forwarders will charge it. There is no escape.

But the exemption for no GST under AUD$1,000 value still applies to direct sellers who sell directly to Australian consumers less than AUD$75,000 per year. But you have to deal directly with them yourself.

I really grumble about the second hand stuff from semi-private or private vendors being socked by an extra 10% at the eBay cash register.

eBay has also started quoting fixed price purchases from ex-Australia in GST inclusive levels which takes a little of the sting out of it. But you can still see the cost breakdown when paying. Auction prices as bidding listed are quoted ex-GST.

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Tom Caldwell
 
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Sometimes I used to buy from Canada too. Probably not a good idea now?
If it's made in China, the tariff rate for goods made in China is supposed to apply, even if shipped from Canada, but it's all very hit-and-miss because these tariffs have happened much faster than things like this usually happen, so not all parcel services are prepared to deal with it properly.
Technically if you re-export the (new) tariff paid goods to another country you should be able to get a refund of the tariff already paid. But I suggest that it is going to be very complex and difficult to do so. Even if the law allowed it.
 
From the british newspaper The Guardian:

”Postal services across Europe have suspended most parcel shipments to the US, citing widespread uncertainty about the impact of new import tariffs announced by Donald Trump.

France’s La Poste on Monday joined other operators, including Germany’s Deutsche Post, Spain’s Correos, Poste Italiane and the Belgian, Swedish and Danish postal services, which all halted a majority of US-bound shipments over the weekend.”

Bad times for shopping abroad 🫤


Quito Marez
 
I told him to just deduct the additional shipping from my refund, and I also expressed my disappointment in DHL, whereas I had much better experiences with FedEx. A very nice vendor. And since the lens had it's original commercial box (it was like new), he could post it back and resell it.

When I indicated to him that I didn't mind paying import fees, I was not prepared for how much they were. Yes, that was very naive on my part and I apologized to him. But as I said, I agreed that he should deduct any additional (return) shipping costs before giving me a refund.
 
I told him to just deduct the additional shipping from my refund, and I also expressed my disappointment in DHL, whereas I had much better experiences with FedEx. A very nice vendor. And since the lens had it's original commercial box (it was like new), he could post it back and resell it.

When I indicated to him that I didn't mind paying import fees, I was not prepared for how much they were. Yes, that was very naive on my part and I apologized to him. But as I said, I agreed that he should deduct any additional (return) shipping costs before giving me a refund.
That's a decent thing to do.
 
I told him to just deduct the additional shipping from my refund, and I also expressed my disappointment in DHL, whereas I had much better experiences with FedEx. A very nice vendor. And since the lens had it's original commercial box (it was like new), he could post it back and resell it.

When I indicated to him that I didn't mind paying import fees, I was not prepared for how much they were. Yes, that was very naive on my part and I apologized to him. But as I said, I agreed that he should deduct any additional (return) shipping costs before giving me a refund.
Presumably until now there's been little need to consider such things, but are people vacationing outside the USA being advised to carry "Proof of Purchase" documentation - lest they're pulled over on their return?

Peter
 
Similar experience for me:-(

I bought a great condition Panasonic GF9 from a Japanese auction site back in late May for $172 + $28 (shipping) and was pretty happy with the deal!

And then I get a text from DHL saying that I owe $100.21 in import duties and that they will hold my shipment for 5 days! At this point, my great deal wasn't so great anymore, but I paid the duty fee anyway because I didn't want to fight the seller over a return and refund.

Lesson Learned.
 
Sometimes I used to buy from Canada too. Probably not a good idea now?
If it's made in China, the tariff rate for goods made in China is supposed to apply, even if shipped from Canada, but it's all very hit-and-miss because these tariffs have happened much faster than things like this usually happen, so not all parcel services are prepared to deal with it properly.
Technically if you re-export the (new) tariff paid goods to another country you should be able to get a refund of the tariff already paid. But I suggest that it is going to be very complex and difficult to do so. Even if the law allowed it.
Who are you suggesting could get a refund if they re-export? Canadians won't pay any tariffs when buying camera gear. Americans could get a refund as "drawback" but that's aimed at businesses, not consumers, so the process of claiming it requires going through a paid third-party service to file the claim, it's difficult to get small claims approved, and it technically doesn't apply to used merchandise so if camera gear was received with customs documentation listing it as "used" they will likely deny it.
 
I wonder if that camera was already in the States, or perhaps was shipped before the tariffs kicked in. The on again, off again nature of these tariffs has wrecked havoc with international trade, and I've heard you can't even get a package shipped from the EU at the moment, until they sort out all the details.
Australia has stopped accepting parcels that are to be posted to USA. https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-08...it-shipping-parcels-us-trump-tariff/105680456 though there is mention of a $150 threshold.

As for de minimis taxing in general the threshold for importing into Australia is AU$1000 per parcel. The Govt has declared a few times that the manpower cost of taxing every parcel is simply not worth any likely gains, so our de minimis stays at AU$1000. Above that and we are slugged the usual local 10% GST tax plus any likely fees.

In fact overseas sellers into Australia may have to collect the tax...

"In Australia, the de minimis threshold is set at AUD 1,000, meaning that goods valued below this amount can be imported without incurring customs duties or taxes. However, if a seller's annual sales into Australia exceed AUD 75,000, they must register and remit Goods and Services Tax (GST) on those sales."

So as I understand that, if I buy a $50 item from some overseas seller and they send more that $75,000 in total per year to Australia then my $50 item with have the Aussie 10% added at the source before posting.

It's all too complicated, I'm retreating back into my cave and will clog up the entrance with rocks.
Guy,

You are outdated. What has happened is that "Purchase" and "Import" Facilitators are obliged to charge the 10% GST on everything imported to Australia valued at under AUD$1,000.

This means literally everything from that $1 purchase, that second hand purchase from a private seller, to regular vendors whether or not they annually sell AUD$75,000 of product to Australia. Firms such as eBay and Ali-Express auto-charge the GST on everything. Also Fed-Ex, DKL, and other freight forwarders will charge it. There is no escape.

But the exemption for no GST under AUD$1,000 value still applies to direct sellers who sell directly to Australian consumers less than AUD$75,000 per year. But you have to deal directly with them yourself.

I really grumble about the second hand stuff from semi-private or private vendors being socked by an extra 10% at the eBay cash register.
Yup, the 10% Goods and Services Tax applies to any item and any labour content. Only people with an ABN number get to be able to do sensible things with taxes in vs taxes out. Other than that education , religion and a few other politically sensitive things get all tax exempted. Anyway, it is/was your job to know all this with your business. :-)
eBay has also started quoting fixed price purchases from ex-Australia in GST inclusive levels which takes a little of the sting out of it. But you can still see the cost breakdown when paying. Auction prices as bidding listed are quoted ex-GST.
Thanks Tom, I was asleep at the wheel a bit, haven't done any o'seas buying for a while. :-(

It seems like everything else, the Govt has outsourced its tax gathering functions.

Outsourcing works so well - such as our locals here are complaining about lack of progress in making footpaths in the suburb, council is now investigating whether to go back to making footpaths with their own staff instead of outsourcing. Early estimates are that it would be 40% cheaper to get rid of the outside contractors and do it themselves. Nice.

Like the Aussie old pink batts scheme and now the NDIS scheme, where's there's Govt money there is a good chance of severe crookedness.
 
Sometimes I used to buy from Canada too. Probably not a good idea now?
If it's made in China, the tariff rate for goods made in China is supposed to apply, even if shipped from Canada, but it's all very hit-and-miss because these tariffs have happened much faster than things like this usually happen, so not all parcel services are prepared to deal with it properly.
Technically if you re-export the (new) tariff paid goods to another country you should be able to get a refund of the tariff already paid. But I suggest that it is going to be very complex and difficult to do so. Even if the law allowed it.
Who are you suggesting could get a refund if they re-export? Canadians won't pay any tariffs when buying camera gear. Americans could get a refund as "drawback" but that's aimed at businesses, not consumers, so the process of claiming it requires going through a paid third-party service to file the claim, it's difficult to get small claims approved, and it technically doesn't apply to used merchandise so if camera gear was received with customs documentation listing it as "used" they will likely deny it.
My point entirely.
 
Here is another heads-up on more little-known fine print in the approaching cut-off for the US de minimis exemption.

For six months from the point the order takes effect, international shippers to the US will have the option of levying duty charges based on either of these two alternatives:

A: The tariff percentage in place for the country of origin ("ad valorem" tax rate), or

B: A straight charge of $80 per item to $200 per item ("specific duty" rate). The carrier will have that option for all shipments, including packages worth less than $800. For the next six months, carriers can notify US Customs and Border Protection they will add duties this way. This option is allowed for six months, after which "ad valorem" rates will apply.

I gained this data from the informational articles which are appearing in profusion in advance of the approaching deadline, not from opinion pieces or editorials.

So be very, very careful, folks.
 
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It was just a recorded voice mail, informing me that they have my package, but can't make delivery unless import duties of $133 were paid. They didn't give a breakdown. All they added extra was they will be holding the package for 10-12 days, allowing me time to make the payment, otherwise, they will return it to the sender. It's enroute back to Japan now.
"Usually" it would be a clearance fee, plus tariff on buy price, freight and clearance fee. But maybe there would be no tariff on the clearance fee to avoid double dipping.

You should be able to get a break up of the charges from their web site.
There's also usually a hefty processing charge by the carrier (which does not scale directly as a percentage of the total tariff). Even if you had a penny in tariffs, the processing fee may kill you. The OP didn't receive the final bill though, so they probably didn't see the break down.
 
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