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my a6700 evf is the same as the a7cr , which aspect of the evf do you find chalenging ?
the frame rate of the a6700 evf is 120 your a7r3 is 60.
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the frame rate of the a6700 evf is 120 your a7r3 is 60.
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If it has the option to shrink it (present on the A7R V and the A1/9 line, I'm not sure if it's there on the A7CR) then it would actually be better for me. My A7R IV's EVF looks awesome -- when I'm wearing contact lenses, the rest of the time (with Rx glasses on for myopia/nearsightedness) I can't see all 4 corners at the same time and I have to frame very loosely if I use it, which sucks. I bring this up all the time because the solution is there on newer bodies, and not my Mk IV, but it seldom seems to gather much attention.
IDK if this is something that varies from one user with myopia to the next or if it's simply the fact that many users may also suffer from farsightedness at the same time and they're thus using the diopter adjustment or something... For me it's almost becoming a reason to upgrade (I don't wear my contact lenses super often).
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You know... there's something very disconcerting about these pictures lol!
It is just not very clear for manual focussing, even in good light, even worse in low light. The level indicator is difficult to see.
Viewfinder Resolution3.69 million dots on A7Riii v 2.36 million dots on A7CR.
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It's so hard not to recommend the A7RV... one thought might be to wait a couple months if you can. The A7V is expected to drop sometime soon and I wouldn't be surprised if the A7RVI does as well. This should naturally lower the price-point of the current lineup and see a trove of good used versions vying for your dime.
That said, the A7RIV's images I have found to be some of the most vibrant of any sensor and color science out there... Aside from the D800 series it may be my favorite SOOC jpegs.
I owned the A7IV, and the A7RV is everything I had hoped the A7IV would be... plus a lot more. The body is more robust, the rear LCD mech is the best of all worlds, the Subject Detection chip is outstanding, and the improved IBIS really was a game changer for me... I can't believe what I can get hand-held now. The improved LCD and EVF resolution also can't be discounted, the A7IV was ok, but still deplorable compared to my Z6ii. The A7RV has class leading screens that are a joy to use. The menus on the A7RV are also enhanced compared to the A7IV (far more so compared to the A7RIV).
One of the primary reasons I chose to upgrade to the A7RV was my desire to get out to 600mm for BIF and wildlife... I was planning on purchasing a 600mm lens when I discovered that in Crop Mode the A7RV still affords a 26mp resolution and grants all my lenses a 1.6x crop... essentially giving a 2nd option to any primes and getting my 50-400 out to ~600mm. I have also heard from some comparing this to Sony APSC's that they have found the Crop Mode and "M" RAW files from the A7RV better... I can't confirm this, but they are excellent... and a great travel option with native APSC lenses.
In short, the A7RV is a phenomenal FF with A1ii/A9iii Focusing and Subject Detection capability, which is also nearly a MF at 61mp with the ability to moonlight as an APSC if desired.
If you can wait a month or so to build the budget, It might be worth it. The only caveat is that it does not perform quite as well as the A7IV in low light... but I have not found that to be a limiting factor, especially with how good denoise options are now.
All that said, the goal is taking great photos and I love my A7IV images every bit as much as my “R” camera, and they take up far less room in my SSDs
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i find my a6700 evf excelent in low light and very good for macro work, its just as good as my a7iv but its just a bit smaller , i dont notice any difference when shooting a portrait shoot switching from one camera to the other.
Not really noticeably. I might feel it a tad bit more when attached to my Zeiss 35mm f2/8, but when is on the 20-70 or 50-300, feels exactly the same as the A7R IV.
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Thank you! I wasn’t going to get much sleep tonight lol.
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That’s a reason the RIV is back on the consider list - I get a 26Mp 30-105/4 - but can I assign a custom button to activate APSC mode (for lack of a better phrase). If I want to punch in.
Betting odds would still put it quite a bit better than my EM1.3.
All that said, the goal is taking great photos and I love my A7IV images every bit as much as my “R” camera, and they take up far less room in my SSDs
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You can on the A7RV... I'd imagine you can with the A7RIV as well.
I'd agree with that summation
.The A7RIVa is a great camera! Yeah... tough to leave systems. Nikon always feels like home to me, but as soon as I handle one and go through the menus etc. I realize that I'm actually a Sony guy now lol.I’ve been going back and forth still, I thought the A7IV would be the choice; but now I found a ‘like new’ A7RIVa for a great price…. The camera decision is tough, but it’s because of what I’m trying to do - and I know this will sound odd to some, but I’m trying to replace two Olympus zooms with one Sony lens. I know the 20-70/4 is pretty much fantastic. But, to me, so is my 8-25/4 and 12-100/4. The A7RIV gives me plenty of room to crop, I know the sensors are better, the IQ is better, the DR is better, and the high ISO performance is much better too… but I do really, really like what I have right now. I want to do 90% of what I do but with one lens…. And no one seems to want to make a 20-120/4. Sigh. (I know, we all have our unicorn/wishlist)All that said, the goal is taking great photos and I love my A7IV images every bit as much as my “R” camera, and they take up far less room in my SSDs
Completely get it. I got mine at a phenomenal price and sold an A7IV and lens to snag it.
You may want to consider the Tarmon 28-200... It punches way above it's price-point and starts at 2.8. Amazing low-light performance.
Could not agree more. Or not so blessed ("Thorny Ground").
I think you will be very frustrated with the Z7ii AF. I had the Z6ii and enjoyed the colors, but the AF was so unreliable (even in Single Point) that I sold it and bought the A7iv... I was shocked at how good the Sony AF was. I can easily recommend the ZF, Z6iii, Z8/9 models as Nikon finally got their 3D AF dialed in, but I'd steer away from the "ii" models. Nikon also has most of the lenses I left Nikon for Sony to acquire... 3 years ago Tamron wasn't making Z format yet. Nikon now has a wonderful lineup and if the new Nikkor 24-70 2.8 v2 is any indicator, it's about to get even better!
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Yannis1976
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From what I am reading in the Sony forums an original APSC sensor is cleaner than a FF cropped APSC sensor. It performs at least equal to the FF, there is no benefit at all left from the FF IQ.It's so hard not to recommend the A7RV... one thought might be to wait a couple months if you can. The A7V is expected to drop sometime soon and I wouldn't be surprised if the A7RVI does as well. This should naturally lower the price-point of the current lineup and see a trove of good used versions vying for your dime.
That said, the A7RIV's images I have found to be some of the most vibrant of any sensor and color science out there... Aside from the D800 series it may be my favorite SOOC jpegs.
I owned the A7IV, and the A7RV is everything I had hoped the A7IV would be... plus a lot more. The body is more robust, the rear LCD mech is the best of all worlds, the Subject Detection chip is outstanding, and the improved IBIS really was a game changer for me... I can't believe what I can get hand-held now. The improved LCD and EVF resolution also can't be discounted, the A7IV was ok, but still deplorable compared to my Z6ii. The A7RV has class leading screens that are a joy to use. The menus on the A7RV are also enhanced compared to the A7IV (far more so compared to the A7RIV).
One of the primary reasons I chose to upgrade to the A7RV was my desire to get out to 600mm for BIF and wildlife... I was planning on purchasing a 600mm lens when I discovered that in Crop Mode the A7RV still affords a 26mp resolution and grants all my lenses a 1.6x crop... essentially giving a 2nd option to any primes and getting my 50-400 out to ~600mm. I have also heard from some comparing this to Sony APSC's that they have found the Crop Mode and "M" RAW files from the A7RV better... I can't confirm this, but they are excellent... and a great travel option with native APSC lenses.
In short, the A7RV is a phenomenal FF with A1ii/A9iii Focusing and Subject Detection capability, which is also nearly a MF at 61mp with the ability to moonlight as an APSC if desired.
If you can wait a month or so to build the budget, It might be worth it. The only caveat is that it does not perform quite as well as the A7IV in low light... but I have not found that to be a limiting factor, especially with how good denoise options are now.
All that said, the goal is taking great photos and I love my A7IV images every bit as much as my “R” camera, and they take up far less room in my SSDs
f that is the case then maybe it does make more sense to just use a Sony APSC body with a FF lens, no?
But what lens would you use instead of the 20-70? Because that would be a 30-105 on APSC. Not wide enough. One reason why l use FF is the lenses. I don't want anything bulbous or too heavy or too expensive.From what I am reading in the Sony forums an original APSC sensor is cleaner than a FF cropped APSC sensor. It performs at least equal to the FF, there is no benefit at all left from the FF IQ.It's so hard not to recommend the A7RV... one thought might be to wait a couple months if you can. The A7V is expected to drop sometime soon and I wouldn't be surprised if the A7RVI does as well. This should naturally lower the price-point of the current lineup and see a trove of good used versions vying for your dime.
That said, the A7RIV's images I have found to be some of the most vibrant of any sensor and color science out there... Aside from the D800 series it may be my favorite SOOC jpegs.
I owned the A7IV, and the A7RV is everything I had hoped the A7IV would be... plus a lot more. The body is more robust, the rear LCD mech is the best of all worlds, the Subject Detection chip is outstanding, and the improved IBIS really was a game changer for me... I can't believe what I can get hand-held now. The improved LCD and EVF resolution also can't be discounted, the A7IV was ok, but still deplorable compared to my Z6ii. The A7RV has class leading screens that are a joy to use. The menus on the A7RV are also enhanced compared to the A7IV (far more so compared to the A7RIV).
One of the primary reasons I chose to upgrade to the A7RV was my desire to get out to 600mm for BIF and wildlife... I was planning on purchasing a 600mm lens when I discovered that in Crop Mode the A7RV still affords a 26mp resolution and grants all my lenses a 1.6x crop... essentially giving a 2nd option to any primes and getting my 50-400 out to ~600mm. I have also heard from some comparing this to Sony APSC's that they have found the Crop Mode and "M" RAW files from the A7RV better... I can't confirm this, but they are excellent... and a great travel option with native APSC lenses.
In short, the A7RV is a phenomenal FF with A1ii/A9iii Focusing and Subject Detection capability, which is also nearly a MF at 61mp with the ability to moonlight as an APSC if desired.
If you can wait a month or so to build the budget, It might be worth it. The only caveat is that it does not perform quite as well as the A7IV in low light... but I have not found that to be a limiting factor, especially with how good denoise options are now.
All that said, the goal is taking great photos and I love my A7IV images every bit as much as my “R” camera, and they take up far less room in my SSDs
f that is the case then maybe it does make more sense to just use a Sony APSC body with a FF lens, no?
Also Sony APSC only go to 26 MP, that is way lower than 61mp on FF.
Also Sony APSC have AA filters.
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Yannis1976
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I am not talking about the 20-70, this would be used with the FF Sony. I am talking about the macro and wildlife lenses where you would most probably crop. I have been eyeing the A7RIV myself too, until I realized that in crop mode there is absolutely no advantage over the much cheaper 6600/6700.
But the OP is talking about getting the 20-70 lens and that is what I'm using. The problem with crop frame is at the wide anngle and limited choice of lenses.
ln low light the A7Rv apparently is better.
Macro l just use a 90mm macro lens, no need to use crop mode.
l don't do wildlife.
If l buy a 6700 then l'm going to have to buy another lens, such as a Tamron 11-20, which is about £650. Plus l would be changing lenses much more, l can use the 20-70 most of the time but l could not on a crop camera. Yes my 300mm would be 450mm but l can just crop my FF image down, no real difference.
I'm sure FF cameras have more or better features than a 6700, such as AF, LCD and EVF.
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Coming from a 3-bodies, 3-primes and 6-zooms' m43 system all the way to Sony Alpha, I went through exactly the same predicament as you are. My advantage is that I had a good amount of high quality Leica primes and f/2.8 zooms which eventually gave me the financial push to move to FF, something I have been considering for years and always shied away seeing the cost and size of gear.That’s a reason the RIV is back on the consider list - I get a 26Mp 30-105/4 - but can I assign a custom button to activate APSC mode (for lack of a better phrase). If I want to punch in.
Betting odds would still put it quite a bit better than my EM1.3.
I’ve been going back and forth still, I thought the A7IV would be the choice; but now I found a ‘like new’ A7RIVa for a great price…. The camera decision is tough, but it’s because of what I’m trying to do - and I know this will sound odd to some, but I’m trying to replace two Olympus zooms with one Sony lens. I know the 20-70/4 is pretty much fantastic. But, to me, so is my 8-25/4 and 12-100/4. The A7RIV gives me plenty of room to crop, I know the sensors are better, the IQ is better, the DR is better, and the high ISO performance is much better too… but I do really, really like what I have right now. I want to do 90% of what I do but with one lens…. And no one seems to want to make a 20-120/4. Sigh. (I know, we all have our unicorn/wishlist)All that said, the goal is taking great photos and I love my A7IV images every bit as much as my “R” camera, and they take up far less room in my SSDs
As much as I would like the A7RV… it’s $2100 above my budget (or $1500 above buying used) that would take a full year more to save up for and I still want the 40/2.5 & 85/1.8 glass too. The A7RV is what I would get if money wasn’t and issue, but the A7RIV will get me close and be good enough for a few years - and maybe the A7IV will too - back and forth I go.
I could wait and see what Sigmas 20-200 will be like, granted I’m sure the Sony 20-70/4 will be worth getting over it even when losing 130mm.
First world problem means we’re blessed with choices.
I did also see a crazy good deal on a new Z7II and 24-120/4…that’s about $600 under my budget, but I’d have nothing wider than 24 and anything that goes wider would cost a small fortune. And since the 24-120 isn’t that old, and is arguably at the top of 5x lens options, I don’t seem them replacing it with a 20-120 either. And I’m sure they’d rather want to sell me a $1300 Rebadged Tamron 17-28 anyway, which puts me over budget, not to mention that it’s $500 more than the FE mount version for some frustrating reason.
With Sony, the size of bodies and smaller lenses is not that of a difference anymore, unless is a pancake, but still you can manage to get a pretty compact system The 40mm f/2.5 looks to be a very sweet lens. I went with the Zeiss 35mm f/2.8 and I love it.
So initially I went with the A7R IV and man you're going to love it. I highly recommend that if you can't reach for the A7R V, the A7R IV is my close second choice. Is a marvelous machine and will serve you well. The moment I loaded my first 61MP RAW in Lightroom my jaw almost dropped to the floor. And is not so much the resolution but how it handles noise, even being such a high res sensor.
As for lenses, definitely the 20-70 f/4 is worth considering, is my main lens and tack sharp. Initially I went with the Sony 70-200 f/4 and 1.4X TC, but then I realized I was using the TC all the time, so decided to sell it along the rest of my m43 gear and get a Tamron 50-300 f/4.5-6.3. Same length, lighter and 1/3 of the price compared to the Sony combined with the 1.4X TC. So I used the extra money to reach out and replace the RIV with the RV.
Quite frankly, I did it because I could do it, and I don't need any other lens for now. But I was quite happy with the R IV.
If you want more details on my thought process I wrote a couple of blog posts on my website about the switch:
My Switch Story — Martin Ocando
Why I switched from Panasonic Lumix micro 4/3s to Sony Alpha Full Frame mirrorless.
www.martinocando.com
My Switch Story - Mark II (Or Mark V, really) — Martin Ocando
The Force of Habit
www.martinocando.com
Might give you some ideas.
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That’s a reason the RIV is back on the consider list - I get a 26Mp 30-105/4 - but can I assign a custom button to activate APSC mode (for lack of a better phrase). If I want to punch in.
Betting odds would still put it quite a bit better than my EM1.3.
All that said, the goal is taking great photos and I love my A7IV images every bit as much as my “R” camera, and they take up far less room in my SSDs
That was a huge Aha moment for me. With m43, the DOF is so deep that I saw no point on stopping down unless it was ultimately necessary. So with that muscle memory in my mind, when I shot my first FF frames I realized the DOF was so shallow, and immediately clicked on me. "Of course", I thought. "This brings back memories of my film days".For perspective, those F4 M43 lenses are F8 equivalent. So I would look at the Tamron 28-200 or Sigma's upcoming 24-200mm lenses for the range you want with even more light/subject separation. But not the garbage Sony 24-240mm.That’s a reason the RIV is back on the consider list - I get a 26Mp 30-105/4 - but can I assign a custom button to activate APSC mode (for lack of a better phrase). If I want to punch in.
Betting odds would still put it quite a bit better than my EM1.3.
I’ve been going back and forth still, I thought the A7IV would be the choice; but now I found a ‘like new’ A7RIVa for a great price…. The camera decision is tough, but it’s because of what I’m trying to do - and I know this will sound odd to some, but I’m trying to replace two Olympus zooms with one Sony lens. I know the 20-70/4 is pretty much fantastic. But, to me, so is my 8-25/4 and 12-100/4. The A7RIV gives me plenty of room to crop, I know the sensors are better, the IQ is better, the DR is better, and the high ISO performance is much better too… but I do really, really like what I have right now. I want to do 90% of what I do but with one lens…. And no one seems to want to make a 20-120/4. Sigh. (I know, we all have our unicorn/wishlist)All that said, the goal is taking great photos and I love my A7IV images every bit as much as my “R” camera, and they take up far less room in my SSDs
As much as I would like the A7RV… it’s $2100 above my budget (or $1500 above buying used) that would take a full year more to save up for and I still want the 40/2.5 & 85/1.8 glass too. The A7RV is what I would get if money wasn’t and issue, but the A7RIV will get me close and be good enough for a few years - and maybe the A7IV will too - back and forth I go.
I could wait and see what Sigmas 20-200 will be like, granted I’m sure the Sony 20-70/4 will be worth getting over it even when losing 130mm.
First world problem means we’re blessed with choices.
I did also see a crazy good deal on a new Z7II and 24-120/4…that’s about $600 under my budget, but I’d have nothing wider than 24 and anything that goes wider would cost a small fortune. And since the 24-120 isn’t that old, and is arguably at the top of 5x lens options, I don’t seem them replacing it with a 20-120 either. And I’m sure they’d rather want to sell me a $1300 Rebadged Tamron 17-28 anyway, which puts me over budget, not to mention that it’s $500 more than the FE mount version for some frustrating reason.
Now I'm able to play with DOF once again. With m43, the only way to do that is by shooting with very fast lenses, and I mean very fast. There was no point of stopping down, which lead me to shooting wide open 90% of the time.
I heard great things about that lens. I went with the 50-300 as I favor the 20-70 for general travel, but I do need the reach and is a pain to switch lenses. Good thing the A7R V has a feature to close the shutter when changing lenses.
One day I might venture into the 28-200 as a one-lens solution for travel. Lets see what Sigma can do now.
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