Jacques Cornell
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On my M1 Max Mac Studio and M1 Pro MacBook Pro, running DxO's DeepPRIME 3 noise reduction on 24MP, 33MP, 42MP and 61MP Sony RAW files takes an average of 4 seconds.
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No wonder. Some window you have to open to see results. LrC shows the entire denosied file. I prefer that. A DXO export took about 25 seconds when I used it and LrC has always been instant. So that balances out.
What kind of times do you get for LrC Denoise on your R6II files?
2024 Mac Mini M4 with 32GB and 2019 IMac Intel, 64GB and 8GB VRAM = 33 seconds.
2023 MacBook Air M3, 24GB RAM = 43 seconds.
Jacques Cornell
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I take it you're referring to the Loupe tool. This serves the purpose perfectly well for me, as I need only check key areas of a few images out of hundreds.
a preview of
I don't need that. I'm not checking and tweaking the NR effect on hundreds of images, particularly since I know from experience what it will look like.
On my relatively modest Studio, even applying the more demanding DeepPRIME XD2s to a 61MP RAW takes only about 15-20 seconds.
Denoise is not "instant". The full-image preview is nifty and available quickly, but Denoise takes twice as long as DeepPRIME to produce a finished file of similar quality.
Nope. In the Develop module and after applying Denoise AI you see the entire denoised file at all times. Since the last update you can tweak it as many times as you like at any size you wish to view it at. t
LrC works with previews. The Library module stores them in the Lightroom Folder which has the catalogue and everything else that is used to run the app. You can control it in Catalogue settings.
On a Mac the Develop previews are stored in the User Library - Caches - Adobe Camera RAW 2 because it is shared with ACR. As you view one file LrC builds the previous and next file previews which is very fast. The Cache size can be adjusted and purged in Preferences - Performance.
Each to his own. I always hated the PL preview window. I would never want to go back to that.
Good for you. I don't have any demanding schedule.
It is for me. Once Adobe Denoise is applied all edits and exports are instant. When I used PL and PureRaw I had to wait for 25 seconds for PL to export a file to the desktop or back to LrC. PureRaw was the same. It took 25 seconds to send a file back to LrC. LrC file export has always been and still is instant.
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I should be specific for other readers. Just because LrC uses a Preview system does not mean it is a small section of a file. It shows the entire file size pre and post Denoise AI. You can zoom into sections of a file and zoom out again to Fit or full sized. All those moves are instant.
Jacques Cornell
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I was referring to PhotoLab.
I’ve been working professionally with LRC since Aperture went away.
Yes, cutting export/processing time by half is good for me, especially when processing big jobs or delivering onsite.
Somewhere along the way, Denoise processing takes time, and it takes 2x longer than DP3.
See above.
It may seem instant to you, but that is only because the processing is being done in the background. If you apply Denoise to lots of images and then immediately try to export them, you’ll get a pop-up notice that the export operation cannot begin until the noise processing is complete..
For purposes of my event workflow, the key difference is that when I apply presets that include noise reduction to hundreds of images and then export finished JPEG’s for delivery to my clients, DxO takes half as long as Adobe.
Denoise is getting more competitive, and it has the unique advantage of working with reduced-rez mRAW and sRAW files. And, as you say, you are a hobbyist. I’m glad that it serves your purposes well. But this does not change the fact that it is 2X slower than DxO, and for high volume professionals this is a significant consideration, which is why I mentioned it earlier. You may not need the speed, but plenty of other people do.
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The reason I went with LrC as well was event photography. I don’t do that anymore. I used PL and PR for NR but when Adobe released Denoise AI I dropped them and Topaz and ON1 NoNoise. I simplified my editing.
Near the end PL takes much longer to export finished files than LrC does. So with time it’s pay me now or pay me later.
What do mean it seems like it to me? When my file is ready to export I do and it’s on my desktop in seconds. I had to wait for PL to process for export.
If I needed it I’d likely be earning so I’d get the equipment I needed like a decked out Mac Studio. 8 seconds without NPU. Business write off. If someone can’t afford and needs speed then Adobe may not be for them. I had some basic training in financials at work for other reasons. It’s just not about profit but investment into the equipment. I worked in print media for 35 years. Event photography was a side thing for about 10 years.
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Jacques Cornell
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Obviously, they both take time, just at different points to in the work flow. But, Denoise still takes twice as long. And, I’d rather let the processing happen at the end, when I’ve made all my edits and can turn my attention to something else while it happens.
I don’t give a rat’s patootie which one you use. But, I’ve done the actual work of processing the same batch of images with both, and I’ve reported the resulting times. You may prefer Denoise, but it doesn’t change the fact that DP3 is twice as fast. If you think I’m wrong about this, do a controlled test and report the methodology and results.
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So finally after multiple conversations there is an understanding that you have to wait for something. Some others just could get this.
I batch Adobe Denoise AI, which should be done first, go grab a coffee, then edit and export. Exporting is lighting fast. You like to batch DP, edit and then go for a coffee while it exports. Nothing wrong with personal preferences to editing styles.
I give as much of a rat's patootie as you do
Twice as fast balances out with LrC exports that are twice as fast. I look at the entire picture, not just the convenient parts. Thanks! I have been seeing claims of 1-4 seconds and wondered what might be real.
Again it’s not only about RAM but cores. The one that gets 8 seconds does not even have the latest M chip. He is on the Lightroom Queens site often. Ones who are getting those times won’t see a too much of an improvement when the Nueral Engine is enabled.
Adobe does a major release every two months. I was expecting no DNG Denoise two updates ago but it came with the last one. I have a gut feeling the NE is next.
Jacques Cornell
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No, it doesn’t. There’s twice as much waiting with Denoise.So finally after multiple conversations there is an understanding that you have to wait for something. Some others just could get this.
I batch Adobe Denoise AI, which should be done first, go grab a coffee, then edit and export. Exporting is lighting fast. You like to batch DP, edit and then go for a coffee while it exports. Nothing wrong with personal preferences to editing styles.
I give as much of a rat's patootie as you do
--I look at the entire picture, not just the convenient parts.
Event professional for 20+ years, travel & landscape enthusiast for 30+, stills-only.
http://jacquescornell.photography
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I haven't played with DXO for many years. When I tested it, it didn't actually do the Denoise until you exported the picture, so you could not actually see what the output was going to look like. Has that changed? That could explain why DXO does the Denoise so fast and the export so slow. Not taking sides, just being Curious George.
Frankly, I suspect both products are fast enough to satisfy most people.
Same for me and at is what I experienced. The preview window in PL is not the processed file so yes editing as a whole is faster. Using LrC the NR is a processed as you edit so you have to wait for it to process before you can resume editing. To me it's the same. Wait now or wait later. I can see the appeal for waiting at the end but mid process would not bother. I am just curious as you regarding this.
One thing that occurred to me. LrC's recent game changer was not producing a DNG after running Denoise AI. It's kinda like a RAW file. You have a fully processed Denoised file and you can set from 1 to 100 and back again as many times as you like at any size you want. The tweaks are instant. However the initial Denoise processing times did not increase.
I LOVE the new Denoise. I am not as much concerned about speed in Denoise as the results. Adobe's Denoise has always given me natural looking images with no artifacts or plastic images. The only reason I keep Topaz now is for non-raw files.
Me too. I had Topaz Photo AI but stopped using it since Adobe Denoise came out. I only kept Topaz Sharpen AI but I seldom use it. Not many even slightly OOF shots get past my first cull. It has to be pretty special to keep it. I can't remember the last time worked with a non-raw file.
I only shoot raw, but I also deal with older photo scans, phone pictures, as well as all the pictures my friends ask me to fix/print.
That must be fun. I've never gotten into it.
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