What I want to see in a future “Pen F”

Regor250 said:

NowHearThis said:

Bassam Guy said:

NowHearThis said:

Bassam Guy said:

oneofone25 said:

What would you like to see in a new Pen F model? ...

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Does the OM-3 have all features that you can reasonably expect to find in a Pen F II? Do you believe that they could fit in a smaller body? With EVF (F series)? Without (P series)?

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I don't think that's the right question...



I think the right question is: how come others can put in bigger sensors, and great features in bodies similar in size to the old Pen-F and why can't we improve the Pen-F without increasing the size?

FFS, the A7RC is no bigger than an A6700 or my old NEX7. If others can miniaturize their cameras, OM System can too. That said, if OM System has to make the Pen-F Mk II as thick as an A6700 I don't think most would complain if we can get something that can match it and even outperform it in some areas for the same price. I'll welcome the extra 3mm of body thickness for that.

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Wrong interpretation. I did not imply that it was or was not possible.

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No, it just begged this question. The short answer to your question is: Yes. A new sensor doesn't take up extra size, better AF won't take up room, I doubt the IBIS assembly on an OM3 is much bigger than the one in the Pen-F. The Pen-F EVF has room work with given it's on the outside corner... so yeah, it seems totally possible.

My example is showing that people are putting larger to much larger sensors and great features in bodies similar to Pen-F, size-wise.

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The question is not, is it possible. The question is, is it profitable. The issue ain't the technology, but rather the market. Would you buy a $4000 Pen-Fii ?

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Since we're designing it, can we not also price it? I would say $1200 max.

Jaime100 said:

gary0319 said:

Another let’s all pray for the dead, but not buried.

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I have never had a Pen F (well, technically yes with a film Pen F Half-frame).... but I have to ask the Pen Fer's here as to what they really object to with the OM3 that is so disliking that they still can't get over the Pen F? Is it really just RF for Hooded retro look?

If so..... there are other RF camera's out there in other brands so why not just shift to one of those and have your Pen fix?

Also, just by reading this small thread on the Pen F, take note...... how many people differ in just about everything. Everything...... Maybe that is one reason why OM won't do a complete Pen F for people are so splintered on the needs that a new Pen F will come out and everyone will complain.

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The creative dial on the OM3 is placed in a position which makes it the body difficult for me to hold comfortably.

cba_melbourne said:

Ergo607 said:

That said, I feel Olympus didn’t give the PEN-F a fighting chance. It released the E-M5 III a year later and was in every way better than the PEN-F could have been.

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Sorry, you got that wrong, there were not one but 4 years in between:

January 2016: Pen-F release date, first Olympus with 20MP

December 2016: EM1.2

February 2019: EM1X

November 2019: EM5.3 release date, first Olympus m43 mid range plastic body

February 2020: EM1.3

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Ok, I stand corrected then.

cba_melbourne said:

cba_melbourne said:

I am sure if the PEN-F had the specs of the mkIII it would have sold like hot cakes...

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For 10 months, the Pen-F was the only Oly camera with 20MP, that was as good a headstart as it gets. It was simply too expensive for it's time, and Olympus refused to significantly reduce it's price. The last Pen-F's sold out in 2020 for $900.

And the OM1.2 that followed was priced $2,000 at release, the Pen-F was $1,200 at release. Sure, had the Pen-F had the specs of the OM1.2, it would have outsold any other body. But that is not how flagship pricing works

As it was, the EM5.3 - 4 years later - had the innards of the EM1.2, but it did sell even less well than the Pen-F. In fact, Olympus did divest it's consumer camera division just 1 year after the EM5.3 release in January 2021. One could say the EM5.3 rot accellerated the downfall.

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If all of this is true (I didn’t check, but I believe you,) then there is no place for a PEN-F II.

gary0319 said:

Ergo607 said:

Jaime100 said:

gary0319 said:

Another let’s all pray for the dead, but not buried.

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I have never had a Pen F (well, technically yes with a film Pen F Half-frame).... but I have to ask the Pen Fer's here as to what they really object to with the OM3 that is so disliking that they still can't get over the Pen F? Is it really just RF for Hooded retro look?

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I am still contemplating the OM-3, but the only reason I didn’t pull the switch (yet) is dimensions (and, let’s be honest, price too.) If the OM-3 had the dimensions of, let’s say, the OM-5 or, better yet, the PEN-F I wouldn’t have hesitated a moment.

The OM-3 has everything that one realistically wants or needs.

That said, I feel Olympus didn’t give the PEN-F a fighting chance. It released the E-M5 III a year later and was in every way better than the PEN-F could have been. I am sure if the PEN-F had the specs of the mkIII it would have sold like hot cakes...

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That may be true, but at least on this forum the Pen F was roundly trashed as being too JPEG centric, too expensive, and nothing more than a “hipster’s fashion accessory “. And this was way before the intro of the E-M5 III.

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Yeah, as mentioned here I stand corrected. I am not so sure if there’s a place for a PEN-F II (although I would be all for it.)

gary0319 said:

My OM-3 is not nearly as small as my OM-5 II, true, but in everyday use since I don’t carry them at the same time, the size difference is forgotten. What isn’t forgotten is the sheer performance and advanced features jump with the OM-3. I actually don’t think that whatever makes the OM-3 (and the OM-1 II) as powerful could be shoe horned into a body as small as the OM-5 II….it is really small. Here compared to my TG7 point and shoot. That fits easily into my shirt pocket.

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You don’t make it any easier for me. Handled the OM-3 in a shop. I was in a hurry but can say that it’s impressive! But for me it’s either the OM-3 or the OM-5. There’s no headroom to buy the 2 like you did...


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MEDISN said:

cba_melbourne said:

It's the size, and the form factor for sliding it in/out of a jacket pocket without catching on the hump:

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I shoot with both. The hump is angled, smooth and does not "grab" at pocket openings. No more of a hassle than the rubber eye cup on the PEN-F "grabbing" at pocket seams or bag linings when sliding it in EVF side first.

Let's put it this way, there is nowhere I would stuff a PEN-F that does not also hold the OM3.


The OM3 is pressed back to back with the PEN-F.


Both cameras standing on end, back to back.


Side-by-side, face down.

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I have trouble with the idea of stuffing a GM5 into a pocket even with a very small lens. Let alone something like a relatively huge (by comparison) Pen-F. Maybe colder climates = larger pockets? But even then do we walk lop-sided with the added weight of a little pocketed camera and lens combination? But I suppose we could always put a brick in a pocket on the other side to balance up ....

Unfortunately the GM series was bedeviled by the idea that they could be pocketed. But then cameras that are small enough to fit even in large pockets are invariably second rate, poor performers, etc. Nothing beats a more sizeable lump of camera gear that just has to be carried in a bag where pocketing finally becomes no longer an option .... Of course such cameras lose street credibility when compared to others with larger sensors that also make the "need a bag" limit. Of course this will continue to prevail until some designer wonderkind dreams up a larger sensor camera that is GM body sized. Then of course the prevailing concept that cameras of pocketable size are sub-standard will again raise its head once more.

Looks like very small camera bodies will have a continuing line of pocket filling issues.

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mring1 said:

Especially after reading some of the responses to the OP. SOOO many folks saying "gotta have this or that..." and by the time you subtract the people who say. "without (this) it's a no go for me..."

By my calculations, about 735 people will buy the Pen Mk II. (sarcasm with off).

Seriously, I really enjoyed using mine, but it wasn't some piece of magic. Especially the AF...even S-AF. Color was really nice, but not otherworldly. Nobody ever came up to me and asked, "Is that a Leica?" The Color Profile options were awesome. Tons of fun, and now replicated on the OM-3.

My OM-3 is better by EVERY measure.

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EXCEPT wrt to size, which is clearly a key consideration for a compact premium

the OM3 is so wide that imo it simply doesn't qualify as compact

it's the widest current m43 body (and that icludes behemoths such as the GH7 and G9ii) and the widest m43 body ever made bar the EM1x, which itself was a m43 anomaly

mring1 said:

It works fine with my 12-40, 8-25 and 35-100 Pany. I rented the 100-400 and even that works ok, although it does need the external grip. And the focus speed is...amazing.

Gotta give some love to the OP. He had no idea what kind of "stuff" he'd stirred up.

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Tom Caldwell said:

MEDISN said:

cba_melbourne said:

It's the size, and the form factor for sliding it in/out of a jacket pocket without catching on the hump:

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I shoot with both. The hump is angled, smooth and does not "grab" at pocket openings. No more of a hassle than the rubber eye cup on the PEN-F "grabbing" at pocket seams or bag linings when sliding it in EVF side first.

Let's put it this way, there is nowhere I would stuff a PEN-F that does not also hold the OM3.


The OM3 is pressed back to back with the PEN-F.


Both cameras standing on end, back to back.


Side-by-side, face down.

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I have trouble with the idea of stuffing a GM5 into a pocket even with a very small lens. Let alone something like a relatively huge (by comparison) Pen-F. Maybe colder climates = larger pockets? But even then do we walk lop-sided with the added weight of a little pocketed camera and lens combination? But I suppose we could always put a brick in a pocket on the other side to balance up ....

Unfortunately the GM series was bedeviled by the idea that they could be pocketed. But then cameras that are small enough to fit even in large pockets are invariably second rate, poor performers, etc. Nothing beats a more sizeable lump of camera gear that just has to be carried in a bag where pocketing finally becomes no longer an option .... Of course such cameras lose street credibility when compared to others with larger sensors that also make the "need a bag" limit. Of course this will continue to prevail until some designer wonderkind dreams up a larger sensor camera that is GM body sized. Then of course the prevailing concept that cameras of pocketable size are sub-standard will again raise its head once more.

Looks like very small camera bodies will have a continuing line of pocket filling issues.

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I’ll go out on a limb and make a general statement that any, ANY, ILC camera was never intended to be pocketable…..unless that pocket is also large enough to hold the second or third lens.

MEDISN said:

cba_melbourne said:

It's the size, and the form factor for sliding it in/out of a jacket pocket without catching on the hump:

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I shoot with both. The hump is angled, smooth and does not "grab" at pocket openings. No more of a hassle than the rubber eye cup on the PEN-F "grabbing" at pocket seams or bag linings when sliding it in EVF side first.

Let's put it this way, there is nowhere I would stuff a PEN-F that does not also hold the OM3.

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for those of us that prefer RF/flat top style, the OM3 with its hump can never be considered a PenF ii

and nice try but perspective won't save you here. the OM3 is wider and thicker than the Pen F, and the hump only adds to that bulk

also, nice try with your width comparison below

the Pen F is conveniently standing on it's strap eyelet whereas the OM3 is not

hmmm, i wonder why you didn't stand them up the other way around?

i'm sure the OM3 is a great camera but it's no PenF

MEDISN said:

The OM3 is pressed back to back with the PEN-F.


Both cameras standing on end, back to back.

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acfo said:

Jaime100 said:

gary0319 said:

Another let’s all pray for the dead, but not buried.

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I have never had a Pen F (well, technically yes with a film Pen F Half-frame).... but I have to ask the Pen Fer's here as to what they really object to with the OM3 that is so disliking that they still can't get over the Pen F? Is it really just RF for Hooded retro look?

If so..... there are other RF camera's out there in other brands so why not just shift to one of those and have your Pen fix?

Also, just by reading this small thread on the Pen F, take note...... how many people differ in just about everything. Everything...... Maybe that is one reason why OM won't do a complete Pen F for people are so splintered on the needs that a new Pen F will come out and everyone will complain.

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The creative dial on the OM3 is placed in a position which makes it the body difficult for me to hold comfortably.

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I thought that, too. However the human body is amazing that it takes very little time to acclimate itself to new situations. It took about 30 minutes for the Creative Dial to become a non- issue for me. …… a nice leather half case also helped .

Bassam Guy said:

Regor250 said:

NowHearThis said:

Bassam Guy said:

NowHearThis said:

Bassam Guy said:

oneofone25 said:

What would you like to see in a new Pen F model? ...

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Does the OM-3 have all features that you can reasonably expect to find in a Pen F II? Do you believe that they could fit in a smaller body? With EVF (F series)? Without (P series)?

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I don't think that's the right question...



I think the right question is: how come others can put in bigger sensors, and great features in bodies similar in size to the old Pen-F and why can't we improve the Pen-F without increasing the size?

FFS, the A7RC is no bigger than an A6700 or my old NEX7. If others can miniaturize their cameras, OM System can too. That said, if OM System has to make the Pen-F Mk II as thick as an A6700 I don't think most would complain if we can get something that can match it and even outperform it in some areas for the same price. I'll welcome the extra 3mm of body thickness for that.

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Wrong interpretation. I did not imply that it was or was not possible.

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No, it just begged this question. The short answer to your question is: Yes. A new sensor doesn't take up extra size, better AF won't take up room, I doubt the IBIS assembly on an OM3 is much bigger than the one in the Pen-F. The Pen-F EVF has room work with given it's on the outside corner... so yeah, it seems totally possible.

My example is showing that people are putting larger to much larger sensors and great features in bodies similar to Pen-F, size-wise.

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The question is not, is it possible. The question is, is it profitable. The issue ain't the technology, but rather the market. Would you buy a $4000 Pen-Fii ?

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Since we're designing it, can we not also price it? I would say $1200 max.

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I think maybe some additional color options…. Sand Beige for those vacationing in war zones and perhaps Mauve Pink for those less rugged types (and optional custom bag to match)

pipituni said:

mring1 said:

Especially after reading some of the responses to the OP. SOOO many folks saying "gotta have this or that..." and by the time you subtract the people who say. "without (this) it's a no go for me..."

By my calculations, about 735 people will buy the Pen Mk II. (sarcasm with off).

Seriously, I really enjoyed using mine, but it wasn't some piece of magic. Especially the AF...even S-AF. Color was really nice, but not otherworldly. Nobody ever came up to me and asked, "Is that a Leica?" The Color Profile options were awesome. Tons of fun, and now replicated on the OM-3.

My OM-3 is better by EVERY measure.

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EXCEPT wrt to size, which is clearly a key consideration for a compact premium

the OM3 is so wide that imo it simply doesn't qualify as compact

it's the widest current m43 body (and that icludes behemoths such as the GH7 and G9ii) and the widest m43 body ever made bar the EM1x, which itself was a m43 anomaly

pipituni said:

It works fine with my 12-40, 8-25 and 35-100 Pany. I rented the 100-400 and even that works ok, although it does need the external grip. And the focus speed is...amazing.

Gotta give some love to the OP. He had no idea what kind of "stuff" he'd stirred up.

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I don’t recall ever considering my Pen F a “compact” camera. And my OM-3 is certainly not compact in any measure….. size or weight.

gary0319 said:

acfo said:

Jaime100 said:

gary0319 said:

Another let’s all pray for the dead, but not buried.

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I have never had a Pen F (well, technically yes with a film Pen F Half-frame).... but I have to ask the Pen Fer's here as to what they really object to with the OM3 that is so disliking that they still can't get over the Pen F? Is it really just RF for Hooded retro look?

If so..... there are other RF camera's out there in other brands so why not just shift to one of those and have your Pen fix?

Also, just by reading this small thread on the Pen F, take note...... how many people differ in just about everything. Everything...... Maybe that is one reason why OM won't do a complete Pen F for people are so splintered on the needs that a new Pen F will come out and everyone will complain.

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The creative dial on the OM3 is placed in a position which makes it the body difficult for me to hold comfortably.

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I thought that, too. However the human body is amazing that it takes very little time to acclimate itself to new situations. It took about 30 minutes for the Creative Dial to become a non- issue for me. …… a nice leather half case also helped .

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Gary your work with the TG-7 is amazing, perhaps the little TG-7 is the answer to our prayers, just ask Gary!!

pipituni said:

MEDISN said:

cba_melbourne said:

It's the size, and the form factor for sliding it in/out of a jacket pocket without catching on the hump:

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I shoot with both. The hump is angled, smooth and does not "grab" at pocket openings. No more of a hassle than the rubber eye cup on the PEN-F "grabbing" at pocket seams or bag linings when sliding it in EVF side first.

Let's put it this way, there is nowhere I would stuff a PEN-F that does not also hold the OM3.

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for those of us that prefer RF/flat top style, the OM3 with its hump can never be considered a PenF ii

and nice try but perspective won't save you here. the OM3 is wider and thicker than the Pen F, and the hump only adds to that bulk

also, nice try with your width comparison below

the Pen F is conveniently standing on it's strap eyelet whereas the OM3 is not

hmmm, i wonder why you didn't stand them up the other way around?

i'm sure the OM3 is a great camera but it's no PenF

pipituni said:

The OM3 is pressed back to back with the PEN-F.


Both cameras standing on end, back to back.

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But the Pen F still has a hump but in the back where the viewfinder is... your first images shows off that well. The second picture shows off exactly why you can't fit all that is in the OM3 into anything the size of the defunct Pen F.

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Jaime100 said:

pipituni said:

MEDISN said:

cba_melbourne said:

It's the size, and the form factor for sliding it in/out of a jacket pocket without catching on the hump:

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I shoot with both. The hump is angled, smooth and does not "grab" at pocket openings. No more of a hassle than the rubber eye cup on the PEN-F "grabbing" at pocket seams or bag linings when sliding it in EVF side first.

Let's put it this way, there is nowhere I would stuff a PEN-F that does not also hold the OM3.

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for those of us that prefer RF/flat top style, the OM3 with its hump can never be considered a PenF ii

and nice try but perspective won't save you here. the OM3 is wider and thicker than the Pen F, and the hump only adds to that bulk

also, nice try with your width comparison below

the Pen F is conveniently standing on it's strap eyelet whereas the OM3 is not

hmmm, i wonder why you didn't stand them up the other way around?

i'm sure the OM3 is a great camera but it's no PenF

Jaime100 said:

The OM3 is pressed back to back with the PEN-F.


Both cameras standing on end, back to back.

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But the Pen F still has a hump but in the back where the viewfinder is... your first images shows off that well. The second picture shows off exactly why you can't fit all that is in the OM3 into anything the size of the defunct Pen F.

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Let's not act like the little rounded part on the top of the Pen-F isn't a stylistic addition and would affect the camera. It's orders of magnitude smaller than the hump of the OM-3.

The second image only shows that the OM-3 is larger, mostly becausr they chose to use that large battery from the OM-1. The Pen-F uses the much smaller BLN-1.

Also, just so you know, both the OM-3 and the Pen-F use the exact same EVF (1.23x magnification (0.62x 35mm equiv), 2.36M dot OLED)

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Tom Caldwell said:

MEDISN said:

cba_melbourne said:

It's the size, and the form factor for sliding it in/out of a jacket pocket without catching on the hump:

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I shoot with both. The hump is angled, smooth and does not "grab" at pocket openings. No more of a hassle than the rubber eye cup on the PEN-F "grabbing" at pocket seams or bag linings when sliding it in EVF side first.

Let's put it this way, there is nowhere I would stuff a PEN-F that does not also hold the OM3.


The OM3 is pressed back to back with the PEN-F.


Both cameras standing on end, back to back.


Side-by-side, face down.

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I have trouble with the idea of stuffing a GM5 into a pocket even with a very small lens. Let alone something like a relatively huge (by comparison) Pen-F. Maybe colder climates = larger pockets? But even then do we walk lop-sided with the added weight of a little pocketed camera and lens combination? But I suppose we could always put a brick in a pocket on the other side to balance up ....

Unfortunately the GM series was bedeviled by the idea that they could be pocketed. But then cameras that are small enough to fit even in large pockets are invariably second rate, poor performers, etc. Nothing beats a more sizeable lump of camera gear that just has to be carried in a bag where pocketing finally becomes no longer an option .... Of course such cameras lose street credibility when compared to others with larger sensors that also make the "need a bag" limit. Of course this will continue to prevail until some designer wonderkind dreams up a larger sensor camera that is GM body sized. Then of course the prevailing concept that cameras of pocketable size are sub-standard will again raise its head once more.

Looks like very small camera bodies will have a continuing line of pocket filling issues.

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The lenses Tom, they come off! :-D

I live in a beach town in Southern California so our "cold" weather is more like hoodie or puffer vest attire. Of course snow boarding in the mountains means ski jackets with ample pockets but even a men's medium Marmot puffer vest can easily slip the OM-3 inside and zip close with room to spare. My phone or a lens in the other pocket. I can even stick my hands to keep warm if need be.

The need a bag limit is usually reached by lenses I want to carry, if not a second format like film camera with different mount lenses. Of course Leica makes this easy, you can slip the M7 (film) in one pocket and the M11 (digital) in the other then you are weight balanced with two formats that share lenses ;-)

Pant pockets are a no go for today's skinny cuts. I wear 32x34" and there is barely room for a phone and still be able to tie my shoe. If I stuck the 60/2.8 in a front pocket people would just think I was excited to see them

I sometimes cheat and slip an extra lens in the diaper bag when we are out all day. The elastic bottle holder pockets are perfect for lenses but I do feel bad when the baby gets thirsty and a 12-100/4 won't stop the cries like apple juice does. :-D

pipituni said:

MEDISN said:

cba_melbourne said:

It's the size, and the form factor for sliding it in/out of a jacket pocket without catching on the hump:

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I shoot with both. The hump is angled, smooth and does not "grab" at pocket openings. No more of a hassle than the rubber eye cup on the PEN-F "grabbing" at pocket seams or bag linings when sliding it in EVF side first.

Let's put it this way, there is nowhere I would stuff a PEN-F that does not also hold the OM3.

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for those of us that prefer RF/flat top style, the OM3 with its hump can never be considered a PenF ii

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They are styled differently for sure. OM even said the OM3 is not a PEN-F replacement. I certainly never said it was a PEN-F II.

pipituni said:

and nice try but perspective won't save you here. the OM3 is wider and thicker than the Pen F, and the hump only adds to that bulk

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That's why I photographed them back to back and side by side. The differences, are minor when you actually carry and shoot with both as I do.

pipituni said:

also, nice try with your width comparison below

the Pen F is conveniently standing on it's strap eyelet whereas the OM3 is not

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You realize the strap eyelets are fixed and measure the same width no matter what position the camera is in right? The PEN-F is 135mm including the eyelets. The OM-3 is 145mm including the eyelets. You can see that 10mm difference in the photos below.

pipituni said:

hmmm, i wonder why you didn't stand them up the other way around?

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Because they keep falling over! Try it yourself. Maybe you can contribute something to the forum other than whining.

pipituni said:

i'm sure the OM3 is a great camera but it's no PenF

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Better in almost every way actually. It seems some haven't even given it a chance do to some prejudice for not being the "style" they wanted.

pipituni said:

pipituni said:

The OM3 is pressed back to back with the PEN-F.


Both cameras standing on end, back to back.




Side-by-side, face down.

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oneofone25 said:

What would you like to see in a new Pen F model? Several sources indicate Om is considering it. Many desire it and it seems many have left OM because it never happened and they would come back just for it. Here’s what I would like to see:

25MP improved but not stacked sensor (stacked not needed for the type of photography PenF users do usually). I think 25MP is maybe more important to Pen f users than stacked.

weather sealing has got to happen

8-10% larger for bigger hands and improved ergonomics (not to mention processing power)

immediate connectivity ability with your phone and an app for it where you can click a button on the camera to immediately process a jpeg to send to your phone.

a viewfinder with larger viewing area (if need be, an add-on for the hotshoe)

and a new improved 14-42 made of higher quality glass and materials would be a nice release with it

how much would I spend? $2200-$2500

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I would like to see a Pen F that's no bigger than the previous model. Unfortunately I think that's a problem for m4/3rds. Now that the mirrorless camera competition has advanced to a level where m4/3rds has lost most of the advantages it once had, OMDS has to implement features that forces their cameras to be bigger than the previous generation in order to remain competitive. By doing so they lose an important part of the size advantage they once had owing to the use of a smaller sensor, making the cameras less appealing to many people. Big camera, small sensor does not make a great selling point, particularly for a Pen F.

Cafe Racer said:

Big camera, small sensor does not make a great selling point

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Bingo

True....but you are still not getting the point. If you want the Pen F updated and equal to the OM3 lets say, you are not going to keep that size. The OM3 is packed with tech and it has the hood. Many Pen Fers want the same features as the OM3 minus the hood and minus any increase in size. It isn't going to happen.

I agree....many of the Pen Fer's are just so connected to the RF style that they won't accept anything else. So, why don't they just go to the Fuji system which is more their style and get it over with. Go to the camera brand that suits you rather then trying to have OM come up with a style that might sink their already precarious operating budget.

The SLR hooded style is what people come to OM for. The RF style is what Fuji is creating. Pretty simple. Pick your preference .

Cafe Racer said:

oneofone25 said:

What would you like to see in a new Pen F model? Several sources indicate Om is considering it. Many desire it and it seems many have left OM because it never happened and they would come back just for it. Here’s what I would like to see:

25MP improved but not stacked sensor (stacked not needed for the type of photography PenF users do usually). I think 25MP is maybe more important to Pen f users than stacked.

weather sealing has got to happen

8-10% larger for bigger hands and improved ergonomics (not to mention processing power)

immediate connectivity ability with your phone and an app for it where you can click a button on the camera to immediately process a jpeg to send to your phone.

a viewfinder with larger viewing area (if need be, an add-on for the hotshoe)

and a new improved 14-42 made of higher quality glass and materials would be a nice release with it

how much would I spend? $2200-$2500

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I would like to see a Pen F that's no bigger than the previous model. Unfortunately I think that's a problem for m4/3rds. Now that the mirrorless camera competition has advanced to a level where m4/3rds has lost most of the advantages it once had, OMDS has to implement features that forces their cameras to be bigger than the previous generation in order to remain competitive. By doing so they lose an important part of the size advantage they once had owing to the use of a smaller sensor, making the cameras less appealing to many people. Big camera, small sensor does not make a great selling point, particularly for a Pen F.

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And that is why, IMO, there will never be a Pen F II, no matter how many more of these Pen F lamentations come over the next years. As has been offered here, the Pen F is now being built by Fuji.