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Since the arrival of the new toy, the old campaigner has sat unloved. Today I took the 35mm stuff out and charged the batteries. I then decided to have a play, so shot my office door .... no expense spared !

Bother cameras on tripod ( one after the other) Canon mirror lifted, and GFX IS off with electronic shutter. EF24-105 f 4 IS L and GF 45-100 f4 IS, both set to f16 with auto white balance and aperture automatic exposure. Both fired with delay timer. Focal length around 70mm.

Images converted from RAW in C1 Pro 16.5.11 to jpeg , sadly the GFX image saved at jpeg 10 as anything higher was rejected by DPR !

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I don't see much of a difference other than resolution.
 
Interesting ,. lets see what others make of it. Just out of interest which MF camera do you use ?
 
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kciuk aka Ken60 said:
Since the arrival of the new toy, the old campaigner has sat unloved. Today I took the 35mm stuff out and charged the batteries. I then decided to have a play, so shot my office door .... no expense spared !

Bother cameras on tripod ( one after the other) Canon mirror lifted, and GFX IS off with electronic shutter. EF24-105 f 4 IS L and GF 45-100 f4 IS, both set to f16 with auto white balance and aperture automatic exposure. Both fired with delay timer. Focal length around 70mm.

Images converted from RAW in C1 Pro 16.5.11 to jpeg , sadly the GFX image saved at jpeg 10 as anything higher was rejected by DPR !

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The subject has some interesting features and the lightning is good. Most of the image is out of focus of course, despite f/16. Still nice.
 
Kinda kicking myself didn't pick up a standard 5DS with 1year warranty £350 march this year. Was dithering over mirrorless or dslr, sold online by the time I stopped dithering.🤦‍♂️

Reckon focus point makes a difference.

To my eyes 😵‍💫 barn door 🤔

100 photo the bottom wood on the first panel looks better as it's more the focus point. Also holds the highlight better on the other two panels.

5DSr the bolt looks better as its more the focus point.

I had the venerable 15-30 Sigma Ef very recently. Wonder how it would do on 5DSr and 100 with adapter.

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I think it's perfectly reasonable to expect that MF benefits and new technology benefits may not be observed on every single image. I was reprocessing some images lately made with a D3x in good light and considered this very issue.

We currently have a D850, a Z8, a Z9, and a X2D. In many cases the X2D shows no appreciable benefit over FF.

Interesting office door. I gather you're not a bond trader :-)
 
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I had the 5DSR for a short period, it was a short period because I sold it. Why? I found the dynamic range (12EV) of the camera quite limited for architectural shoots where I was dealing with shadows and very bright areas, I didn't want to use exposure bracketing for every shot, as was also dealing with people move in the photos. Although the image quality was pretty good, particularly with good glass. My workflow slowed down too much for commercial shoots and bracketing meant more editing required. I moved to nikon in those days when the 5DSR came out.

I have the GFX100s with around 14.7EV dynamic range, so you will find recovering shadows and hightlights better than the 5DSR. The GFX100s is estimated to have 15.1EV. Figure me if these figures aren't precise.

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No a relic living in a house built in the 1600s .... thats under 200 years after they discovered the USA ! lol
 
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Interesting ,. lets see what others make of it. Just out of interest which MF camera do you use ?
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I don't. I was looking to upgrade for a long time, looking at files, doing research, reading and talking to people. In the end, I decided that I didn't need MF for the type of work that I do,
 
I think this is perhaps at best a test of who has either used both or has a monitor that will show any differences after the transit to DPR has diminished them .

My takes after looking at the originals in Capture One on my Eizo.

  1. First glance almost instantly showed the depth of the dark tones and rise to very near 256 even in areas recorded by the GFX as mid high. It was a strange almost soot and whitewash comparison as born out by your comments re latitude.
  2. The depth of colour, richness of the GFX original was notable, where the Canon seemed to head to a warm yellowish but weak colour by comparison.
  3. The shadow to the right of the door plate is far deeper on the 5DSr as is the dark marking on same. This is born out using the shadow warning tool in Capture one where much of that area is Blue from warning. The GFX produces a shadow and gives a "Blue" but in a much more limited area.
  4. You notice the GFX run out of depth more quickly even at f16, but the camera was only around three feet from the focus point.
How does it feel to me ..... mostly the GFX rendering offers far greater chance , as a RAW file, to be useful for recording the scene. There is bags of room for everything from a contrast shift, highlight recovery or a shadow lift. However the need to bracket focus becomes more called for , but conversely offers short DOF even with an f4 lens at f16 !

Looking at the two images I still get the feeling that the Canon , for its age and technology, is a fine camera and in capable hands with good workarounds can deliver fine images.......... but standing against the newer technology, and no not just more MP, the older sensor looks like its Bayer rendering is more of a guess, albeit one that stands without comparison, but pales against the greater honesty of the GFX.

Anyway for what I have laid out to make this change it better bloody well be better !
 
Back in 2020 I had the 5dsr and picked up a Pentax 645Z. When I did a comparison other than aspec ratio and dynamic range I couldn't see a difference in the images.

Four years later I picked up a Fuji GFX 100 II and when I compared shots that were framed the same as with my Canon R3 the Canon shots looked better to me. Sure the Fuji had better dynamic range and you could zoom in forever but when just looking at the images on a 27" 5K monitor the R3 looked better to me.

I ended trading the Fuji gear back in on Canon because it wasn't worth running two systems for just those two benefits.
 
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That's perfect if you only want 24mp, and have a selection of expensive Canon lenses.

I made the change because I was EF and needed to look forward. Canon's previous rumours of more MP seemed to become the feature of software interpolation , along with pay to use AI software.

One of the things I did not highlight in my perception of the two was that neither had any lens correction.... now look at the Canon shot and the darkening of the top right corner. Canon's ethos seems to be profits first and correct the issues with software. They have managed to isolate the "R" system lens selection to protect their profits , again money first customers after. After years of building reasonably well proportioned cameras , suddenly they seem to be chasing Sony with the size of the R5 body and the almost finger numbing little grip.. I have big hands and honestly cant deal with that.

Each to their own , and at this point of flux I hope time will reward my choice.
 
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No a relic living in a house built in the 1600s .... thats under 200 years after they discovered the USA ! lol
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Having traveled a bit, one of the striking things we have noticed is the attitude towards old structures.

If something were 200 years old in the US it would probably be turned into a museum and they'd charge admission. In Europe somebody might use it to store his lawn mower :-)

When we travel we try to select something as old as possible to stay in. Our current record is a private residence in Colmar that was built in 1605. I see no sense in staying in something like a Hilton, which is going to be pretty much the same whether in Dallas or London or Tokyo.
 
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amateurphotographer said:
I have the GFX100s with around 14.7EV dynamic range,
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By what measure is the DR 14.7 EV? That's not what I'm seeing.
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Hi Jim, yeah these numbers were from google AI search:). Sorry the end typos "figure" as I knew these numbers would be corrected on this forum. Please do correct this. But I guess the point I was trying to make was it is still higher than the 5DSR.
 
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I have the GFX100s with around 14.7EV dynamic range,
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By what measure is the DR 14.7 EV? That's not what I'm seeing.
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Hi Jim, yeah these numbers were from google AI search:). Sorry the end typos "figure" as I knew these numbers would be corrected on this forum. Please do correct this.
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Fujifilm GFX 100 II — FWC, input referred RN, photon transfer curves - the last word

This is the fourteenth post in a series of tests of the Fujifilm GFX 100, Mark II. You can find all the posts in this series by going to the Categories pane in the right hand panel and clicking on “GFX 100 II”. Using the target I wrote about a couple of posts ago, I
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But I guess the point I was trying to make was it is still higher than the 5DSR.
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Indeed.
 
Schrodingers cat said:
kciuk aka Ken60 said:
No a relic living in a house built in the 1600s .... thats under 200 years after they discovered the USA ! lol
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Having traveled a bit, one of the striking things we have noticed is the attitude towards old structures.

If something were 200 years old in the US it would probably be turned into a museum and they'd charge admission. In Europe somebody might use it to store his lawn mower :-)

When we travel we try to select something as old as possible to stay in. Our current record is a private residence in Colmar that was built in 1605. I see no sense in staying in something like a Hilton, which is going to be pretty much the same whether in Dallas or London or Tokyo.
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Did it "look" old on the outside after being refurbished or was it 'real' old with dried, separated wood? Was the inside old circa 1605 with wood burning fireplaces?

Colmar is one of my favorite places in Europe along with Annecy, France and Burano, Italy. I stayed there in a nice refurbished late 1600's residence. I can still smell the onion tart coming out of the brick oven. I was the only person dining at a Moroccan restaurant there and being pampered by the chef/owner. I drank a whole bottle of wine and then had problems finding the way to my residence. :-D

Ah, the memories from years ago.

Today it is probably elbow to elbow with tourists.

The US is too young to know better.
 
Bill Claff's

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Base ISO 5DSr !

Perhaps pot luck I didn't pick up 5DS, as A7Rm2 I picked up partially dead 💀😹 just about month earlier base ISO DR closer to 100SII.

7Rm2 pretty much identical DR to latest 7Rm5, whilst 7Rm2 noise at high iso pretty close to 100 sensor both better than 7Rm5 at high iso , according to Dpreview test scene.

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Yes as those that measure on this forum will no doubt contest to , the DR of the GFX is mirrored in smaller sensor sizes, and were it not for the almost intolerably small sizes of these devices offending my paws , I may have had a dabble.

For me, the way a tool fits the hand, and after a few months becomes second nature and comfortable is paramount. If I have to constantly be annoyed by cramped fingers an discomfort the worst side of me erupts.
 
Orginal Gfx100 is most comfortable for me to hold from 100mk2 50S/II 50R 100S/II.

Just that elongated body with built in grip fits nicely. When I place my thumb on its shutter rest of my hand settles nicely into it.

Even though it's approx 1.4kg with battery and tilt swivel evf.

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