Can't decide between BF and GFX100RF

X100vi as edge of portability, key factor is in place into an everyday small sling. If you need dedicated camera bag/sling/pouch that instantly killed the portability factor, I just can grab my A7RV with 40G.

Ricoh GR3 fits easily into my Peak Design small tech pouch that I accept as maximal size for everyday bag. X100VI may fit bit tightly but I think still manageable.

Other advantage of the Fuji, I Iike crop to 50mm, on 24MP bayer with 28mm(18) lens the miore effect is quite visible at 7MP crop.
 
X100vi as edge of portability, key factor is in place into an everyday small sling. If you need dedicated camera bag/sling/pouch that instantly killed the portability factor, I just can grab my A7RV with 40G.

Ricoh GR3 fits easily into my Peak Design small tech pouch that I accept as maximal size for everyday bag. X100VI may fit bit tightly but I think still manageable.

Other advantage of the Fuji, I Iike crop to 50mm, on 24MP bayer with 28mm(18) lens the miore effect is quite visible at 7MP crop.
I have the GR3x with a 40mm equiv lens. A bit tight for me to be honest. I'd prefer 35mm.

The GR series crop mode is brilliant though when needed. Single button press to get to 3 levels of zoom.

I had a gig a few years ago taking photos of buildings - just walk down the street and take a photo of each building. Think Zillow - one of those sites where you can pull up any address and get a photo of the building.

The GR was brilliant for that. The files I handed over didn't need to be more than 7mp (in fact I had to process the bigger files to be smaller). They were all destined for the web and didn't need to be large.

The GR meant I worked so much faster than anyone else using a bigger camera, didn't have to spend time zooming in and out, the lens didn't even have to move - super fast.

When I eventually quit the gig, the GR fell on the floor - it was still usable but I remember having to glue something back on and I did a messy job of it and it was dented somewhere. So I gave it to another photographer working the same gig, hoping it would give him the same advantages it gave me.

Only the inclusion of GPS could have made it better - though the newer GRs I think pair with phones for GPS. (and an even wider lens for larger buildings)

Anyway - I carry around the GR3x every day - I don't take photos with it every day, but there will be a day something crazy happens in front of me and I'll be glad I have it.
 
You don't understand the demand for high image quality small cameras we can slide into an everyday sling, carry around most time. It's obvious you are not the target user. I understand most cameras purpose, even if I'm not in interested group.

I avoid x100 series because the overhype, but I have to realise this camera fits best of my everyday carry camera requirement. If've mistaken than I will sell it.
No, not that. I've been desperate for a lightweight small compact and capable carry everywhere camera all my photographic life. I'm no fan of lugging my GFX outfit around.

I also understand that all sorts of cameras can serve a useful purpose for someone somewhere even if it makes no sense to someone with different needs.

What I don't understand is why a very limited camera can become insanely popular when it specifications are almost the opposite of the kind of specifications needed for a lightweight, compact do it all all in one camera. It seems counter-intuitive, counter-factual almost. It's a kind of craze or cult.

A fixed lens, fixed focal length camera is, by modern standards, a very inflexible device. It is a very specialised, very niche product. With the Sigma fixed lens cameras, plenty of people ended up carrying 3 or 4 of them at the same time! Not only does this show that people want and need flexibility, but lugging that lot around is the opposite of travelling light and fast.
Some people like the limitation of having to see the world in a single focal length.

Most of my photography portfolio was shot on an APS-C camera with a 35mm lens (53mm FF equivalent).

Not once did I feel that I needed another focal length - that was just how I envisioned framing.

Nowadays for more casual use I’m likely to have a full frame camera with a 35mm lens on it. Occasionally 28mm, which I think gives the scene a bit of a more cinematic look - you take in more of the scenery and have to get closer to your subject for the same frame.

(the term cinematic here is somewhat nonsensical, but it’s very much the opposite of, say an 85mm look).
I've tried out many cameras in that compact carry anywhere role. They all been inadequate in one way or another. No manufacturer has made a serious all in attempt at cracking the problem. Premium compacts have historically been overpriced dross, to be frank. I still actually own a Canon G7. It flatters to deceive, it's not good enough at the job it is intended to fulfil. Competing models are the same.
I believe the G7 was the first digital camera I owned. It was a very short hop from G7 to DSLR because it rekindled my interest in photography, which died along with my access to a darkroom after college.
The closest I got was the Minolta A200, an 8MP 2/3" sensor fixed zoom lens miniature SLR style mirrorless camera with a 28-200mm equivalent manual zoom that was light and flexible and you could just about fit in a coat pocket. It was the baby sized ancestor of modern MILCs but with a fixed lens. It was just about an acceptable compromise. But I could see lots of places where it could have been refined and optimised into a genuinely useful high performance flexible compact and it never was.
You know a lot of photographers eschew zoom lenses. Some embrace them, others abhor them.

Henri Cartier-Bresson I believe preferred 50mm. Peter Lindbergh I believe used 70-200 a lot (but I could be wrong).

When Annie Leibowitz was still a beat photographer for Rolling Stone I suspect she shot a lot of fixed focal length stuff and might have used the 70’s equivalent of an X-100,
The Fuji X100 series are not that camera. They are niche products, the spiritual successor to Japanese fixed lens rangefinders of the 1960s like the Canonet QL17. You remember, those cameras that rapidly died a death when affordable SLRs came on to the market in large numbers...
But also the venerable Olympus XA, Olympus Trip, and the Ricoh GR - produced into the 90s basically up until the release of the RG Digital.

I wasn’t around then, but I owned an Olympus XA (loaned it to someone I had a falling out with). I don’t believe these compact fixed lens cameras were “replaced by SLRs”.

I distinctly remember buying a cheap fixed lens point & shoot in the 90’s to supplement by SLR. Something, essentially, pocketable.
I don't think in the film era it was technologically possible to turn SLR capability into a pocket sized camera. It is now.
You say “SLR capability” - do you mean zoom lens and large sensor? All of the cameras you’re describing that you like have a zoom lens and only fall short in that the lens or sensor isn’t adequate to the job.

I think zoom lenses for large (as in micro four thirds and up) sensors with moderately large aperture are basically impossible to make pocketable.

I think what you’re looking for is either a Panasonic GM1 (smallest mirrorless camera ever, maybe Nikon J1 aside but likely even including those). The camera is barely larger than the lens mount and a “kit” zoom.

Or maybe another Panasonic/Olympus camera in a more SLR style body (which you seem to like) with a “kit” zoom lens.

I don’t see why you need the lens to be integrated into the camera. I don’t think the size savings is as much as you think it is….

The Fuji X-Pro with the 27mm pancake isn’t much larger than the Fuji X-100. Sure like 10-15% in every dimension and enough that it could be a deciding factor in choosing one over another, but also not THAT big a diffence.
But they won't do it, instead they make fake rangefinder lookalikes. My theory is they are bought in large numbers primarily for the looks. A small number of serious photographers manage to do great work with them, but that is not why the range is popular.
Yes, aesthetics is important. However I also believe if you’re going to include an EVF, rangefinder style is how you keep it compact. SLR style necessarily means an SLR style hump on the top.

What was that camera with the pop up EVF? The EVF was on the side, not in the center. Can’t put the pop-up EVF in the way of the lens right? So where do you put an EVF if you want to keep a camera compact? Off in the corner.
You make lots of good and valid points above but it is not really addressing my point. Why is the X100 insanely popular given its limitations?

I'm not talking about whether it is useful to the next HCB, or any specialist photographer driven niche reason, but whether it is the solution needed for a compact, carry everywhere camera.

IMO, it isn't because of the fixed lens and the fixed focal length.

The viewfinder system is also not something that would appeal to me but it seems to work for some people, so let's ignore that one. Actually, let's not. I think there is something pretty looking about cameras that have optical tunnel viewfinders like traditional Japanese film rangefinders. The X100 has one of those, makes is look nice from the front. If you are about what a camera looks like to other people, I guess that might be one reason why you might be prepared to spend an insane amount of cash on a very limited camera...
Oh, I 100% agree that the love of the X100 isn’t entirely rational.

I know women who have only a passing interest in photography who want one - it would be their only camera other than their phone.

I remember being on the NYC subway one day and these two attractive girls (like high school age) got on the train. They both had Fuji cameras - an X-Pro and one of the other bodies I can’t keep track of.

In addition to being attractive, they were lively - sharing photos on the back of the camera from whatever they were heading home from.

A guy - also with a Fuji camera - got on the train and rather conspicuously shifted his camera around so it was facing them. Hoping they would strike up a conversation with him because he too was part of the Fuji club.

IMO Fuji have …. produced too many camera bodies. They really should have limited themselves to 5 or 6 but instead produced IDK a dozen different bodies.

A Rangefinder style (X-Pro), a smaller version (XT i believe), an SLR style, a smaller version, and a video-centric super capable camera (and maybe a smaller one).

And that’s it. Their line got confusing as time went on.

That is to say - with too many camera bodies, the sense of exclusivity you had for owning a Fuji - “this is a tool designed for this purpose” diminished. Luckily the X-100V or whichever the latest model is - captured hearts and minds and went insanely viral.

It feels like it went from being a club to being a cult. Which is part of the reason I don’t carry around an X-100. As irrational as it is, what people think of me based on what camera I carry around does matter to me. At least mine is the original X-100 so when asked I get to say “yeah I was into them before they were cool” - which is what we used to say in high school when a band got on MTV and you were caught wearing a band shirt.
I judge my choices of camera on whether they are useful for my photography. I don't display them on the coffee table :-)

But the rangefinder look is cute, I get that.
 
You don't understand the demand for high image quality small cameras we can slide into an everyday sling, carry around most time. It's obvious you are not the target user. I understand most cameras purpose, even if I'm not in interested group.
No, not that. I've been desperate for a lightweight small compact and capable carry everywhere camera all my photographic life. I'm no fan of lugging my GFX outfit around.

I also understand that all sorts of cameras can serve a useful purpose for someone somewhere even if it makes no sense to someone with different needs.

What I don't understand is why a very limited camera can become insanely popular when it specifications are almost the opposite of the kind of specifications needed for a lightweight, compact do it all all in one camera. It seems counter-intuitive, counter-factual almost. It's a kind of craze or cult.

A fixed lens, fixed focal length camera is, by modern standards, a very inflexible device. It is a very specialised, very niche product. With the Sigma fixed lens cameras, plenty of people ended up carrying 3 or 4 of them at the same time! Not only does this show that people want and need flexibility, but lugging that lot around is the opposite of travelling light and fast.

I've tried out many cameras in that compact carry anywhere role. They all been inadequate in one way or another. No manufacturer has made a serious all in attempt at cracking the problem. Premium compacts have historically been overpriced dross, to be frank. I still actually own a Canon G7. It flatters to deceive, it's not good enough at the job it is intended to fulfil. Competing models are the same.

The closest I got was the Minolta A200, an 8MP 2/3" sensor fixed zoom lens miniature SLR style mirrorless camera with a 28-200mm equivalent manual zoom that was light and flexible and you could just about fit in a coat pocket. It was the baby sized ancestor of modern MILCs but with a fixed lens. It was just about an acceptable compromise. But I could see lots of places where it could have been refined and optimised into a genuinely useful high performance flexible compact and it never was. These days I have given up on compacts, I make do with a Lumix GX7 with a pancake zoom. It's ok and not really bigger than small sensor compacts. I'm still looking for a better compact, but the GX7 will have to do for now.

The Fuji X100 series are not that camera. They are niche products, the spiritual successor to Japanese fixed lens rangefinders of the 1960s like the Canonet QL17. You remember, those cameras that rapidly died a death when affordable SLRs came on to the market in large numbers...

I don't think in the film era it was technologically possible to turn SLR capability into a pocket sized camera. It is now. But they won't do it, instead they make fake rangefinder lookalikes. My theory is they are bought in large numbers primarily for the looks. A small number of serious photographers manage to do great work with them, but that is not why the range is popular.
I rather like my Panasonic Lumix LX1 compact:

"Lumix LX1 is the world's first compact camera with a 'widescreen' 16:9 ratio CCD sensor, combined with a 28-112mm (equiv.) wideangle 4x Leica-branded zoom lens."

https://www.dpreview.com/reviews/panasoniclx1

I keep it for the interesting sensor and the really small size ...
No eye-level viewfinder! I can't use any camera that lacks a viewfinder, can't see the screen.
If it had a viewfinder, would it suit your needs? In just about all other respects it seems to meet your criteria.
I doubt it. The zoom isn't long enough, it has no proper grip or proper command wheels and I dislike powered lenses.

Trying to think of anything that is a near miss...
 
You don't understand the demand for high image quality small cameras we can slide into an everyday sling, carry around most time. It's obvious you are not the target user. I understand most cameras purpose, even if I'm not in interested group.
No, not that. I've been desperate for a lightweight small compact and capable carry everywhere camera all my photographic life. I'm no fan of lugging my GFX outfit around.

I also understand that all sorts of cameras can serve a useful purpose for someone somewhere even if it makes no sense to someone with different needs.

What I don't understand is why a very limited camera can become insanely popular when it specifications are almost the opposite of the kind of specifications needed for a lightweight, compact do it all all in one camera. It seems counter-intuitive, counter-factual almost. It's a kind of craze or cult.

A fixed lens, fixed focal length camera is, by modern standards, a very inflexible device. It is a very specialised, very niche product. With the Sigma fixed lens cameras, plenty of people ended up carrying 3 or 4 of them at the same time! Not only does this show that people want and need flexibility, but lugging that lot around is the opposite of travelling light and fast.

I've tried out many cameras in that compact carry anywhere role. They all been inadequate in one way or another. No manufacturer has made a serious all in attempt at cracking the problem. Premium compacts have historically been overpriced dross, to be frank. I still actually own a Canon G7. It flatters to deceive, it's not good enough at the job it is intended to fulfil. Competing models are the same.

The closest I got was the Minolta A200, an 8MP 2/3" sensor fixed zoom lens miniature SLR style mirrorless camera with a 28-200mm equivalent manual zoom that was light and flexible and you could just about fit in a coat pocket. It was the baby sized ancestor of modern MILCs but with a fixed lens. It was just about an acceptable compromise. But I could see lots of places where it could have been refined and optimised into a genuinely useful high performance flexible compact and it never was. These days I have given up on compacts, I make do with a Lumix GX7 with a pancake zoom. It's ok and not really bigger than small sensor compacts. I'm still looking for a better compact, but the GX7 will have to do for now.

The Fuji X100 series are not that camera. They are niche products, the spiritual successor to Japanese fixed lens rangefinders of the 1960s like the Canonet QL17. You remember, those cameras that rapidly died a death when affordable SLRs came on to the market in large numbers...

I don't think in the film era it was technologically possible to turn SLR capability into a pocket sized camera. It is now. But they won't do it, instead they make fake rangefinder lookalikes. My theory is they are bought in large numbers primarily for the looks. A small number of serious photographers manage to do great work with them, but that is not why the range is popular.
I rather like my Panasonic Lumix LX1 compact:

"Lumix LX1 is the world's first compact camera with a 'widescreen' 16:9 ratio CCD sensor, combined with a 28-112mm (equiv.) wideangle 4x Leica-branded zoom lens."

https://www.dpreview.com/reviews/panasoniclx1

I keep it for the interesting sensor and the really small size ...
No eye-level viewfinder! I can't use any camera that lacks a viewfinder, can't see the screen.
If it had a viewfinder, would it suit your needs? In just about all other respects it seems to meet your criteria.
I doubt it. The zoom isn't long enough, it has no proper grip or proper command wheels and I dislike powered lenses.

Trying to think of anything that is a near miss...
As in powered zoom lenses? vs mechanical zoom where you turn a ring?

I did think the zoom wouldn't be long enough for you.

You have really specialized requirements - long zoom, mechanical zoom, etc.

The people who shoot long zooms in point & shoot (non ILC) cameras tend to gravitate to the SLR style bodies that aren't really pocketable...

I stopped shooting long zooms long ago (had a 70-200 with optical teleconverter) - it's just not the type of stuff I shoot anymore, but I sympathize with what you're chasing.
 
You don't understand the demand for high image quality small cameras we can slide into an everyday sling, carry around most time. It's obvious you are not the target user. I understand most cameras purpose, even if I'm not in interested group.
No, not that. I've been desperate for a lightweight small compact and capable carry everywhere camera all my photographic life. I'm no fan of lugging my GFX outfit around.

I also understand that all sorts of cameras can serve a useful purpose for someone somewhere even if it makes no sense to someone with different needs.

What I don't understand is why a very limited camera can become insanely popular when it specifications are almost the opposite of the kind of specifications needed for a lightweight, compact do it all all in one camera. It seems counter-intuitive, counter-factual almost. It's a kind of craze or cult.

A fixed lens, fixed focal length camera is, by modern standards, a very inflexible device. It is a very specialised, very niche product. With the Sigma fixed lens cameras, plenty of people ended up carrying 3 or 4 of them at the same time! Not only does this show that people want and need flexibility, but lugging that lot around is the opposite of travelling light and fast.

I've tried out many cameras in that compact carry anywhere role. They all been inadequate in one way or another. No manufacturer has made a serious all in attempt at cracking the problem. Premium compacts have historically been overpriced dross, to be frank. I still actually own a Canon G7. It flatters to deceive, it's not good enough at the job it is intended to fulfil. Competing models are the same.

The closest I got was the Minolta A200, an 8MP 2/3" sensor fixed zoom lens miniature SLR style mirrorless camera with a 28-200mm equivalent manual zoom that was light and flexible and you could just about fit in a coat pocket. It was the baby sized ancestor of modern MILCs but with a fixed lens. It was just about an acceptable compromise. But I could see lots of places where it could have been refined and optimised into a genuinely useful high performance flexible compact and it never was. These days I have given up on compacts, I make do with a Lumix GX7 with a pancake zoom. It's ok and not really bigger than small sensor compacts. I'm still looking for a better compact, but the GX7 will have to do for now.

The Fuji X100 series are not that camera. They are niche products, the spiritual successor to Japanese fixed lens rangefinders of the 1960s like the Canonet QL17. You remember, those cameras that rapidly died a death when affordable SLRs came on to the market in large numbers...

I don't think in the film era it was technologically possible to turn SLR capability into a pocket sized camera. It is now. But they won't do it, instead they make fake rangefinder lookalikes. My theory is they are bought in large numbers primarily for the looks. A small number of serious photographers manage to do great work with them, but that is not why the range is popular.
I rather like my Panasonic Lumix LX1 compact:

"Lumix LX1 is the world's first compact camera with a 'widescreen' 16:9 ratio CCD sensor, combined with a 28-112mm (equiv.) wideangle 4x Leica-branded zoom lens."

https://www.dpreview.com/reviews/panasoniclx1

I keep it for the interesting sensor and the really small size ...
No eye-level viewfinder! I can't use any camera that lacks a viewfinder, can't see the screen.
If it had a viewfinder, would it suit your needs? In just about all other respects it seems to meet your criteria.
I doubt it. The zoom isn't long enough, it has no proper grip or proper command wheels and I dislike powered lenses.

Trying to think of anything that is a near miss...
As in powered zoom lenses? vs mechanical zoom where you turn a ring?

I did think the zoom wouldn't be long enough for you.

You have really specialized requirements - long zoom, mechanical zoom, etc.

The people who shoot long zooms in point & shoot (non ILC) cameras tend to gravitate to the SLR style bodies that aren't really pocketable...

I stopped shooting long zooms long ago (had a 70-200 with optical teleconverter) - it's just not the type of stuff I shoot anymore, but I sympathize with what you're chasing.
I'd like a fuji X30 or a LX100 with a 1" sensor. A smaller, slower, more compact mechanically collapsible and zoomable lens going to at least 150mm equiv. Image stabilisation. High quality EVF. But even such a design wouldn't really be that much different from my GX7 in size and capability - which is why I stick with it even though it means I have to change lenses or use the 14-140mm which sticks out more ruining portablity.

Looking at camerasize, the LX100 and the GX7 plus 12-32mm are about the same size and the GX7 grip is bigger. It's a shame there isn't a superzoom equivalent of the pancake kit zooms.
 
You don't understand the demand for high image quality small cameras we can slide into an everyday sling, carry around most time. It's obvious you are not the target user. I understand most cameras purpose, even if I'm not in interested group.
No, not that. I've been desperate for a lightweight small compact and capable carry everywhere camera all my photographic life. I'm no fan of lugging my GFX outfit around.

I also understand that all sorts of cameras can serve a useful purpose for someone somewhere even if it makes no sense to someone with different needs.

What I don't understand is why a very limited camera can become insanely popular when it specifications are almost the opposite of the kind of specifications needed for a lightweight, compact do it all all in one camera. It seems counter-intuitive, counter-factual almost. It's a kind of craze or cult.

A fixed lens, fixed focal length camera is, by modern standards, a very inflexible device. It is a very specialised, very niche product. With the Sigma fixed lens cameras, plenty of people ended up carrying 3 or 4 of them at the same time! Not only does this show that people want and need flexibility, but lugging that lot around is the opposite of travelling light and fast.

I've tried out many cameras in that compact carry anywhere role. They all been inadequate in one way or another. No manufacturer has made a serious all in attempt at cracking the problem. Premium compacts have historically been overpriced dross, to be frank. I still actually own a Canon G7. It flatters to deceive, it's not good enough at the job it is intended to fulfil. Competing models are the same.

The closest I got was the Minolta A200, an 8MP 2/3" sensor fixed zoom lens miniature SLR style mirrorless camera with a 28-200mm equivalent manual zoom that was light and flexible and you could just about fit in a coat pocket. It was the baby sized ancestor of modern MILCs but with a fixed lens. It was just about an acceptable compromise. But I could see lots of places where it could have been refined and optimised into a genuinely useful high performance flexible compact and it never was. These days I have given up on compacts, I make do with a Lumix GX7 with a pancake zoom. It's ok and not really bigger than small sensor compacts. I'm still looking for a better compact, but the GX7 will have to do for now.

The Fuji X100 series are not that camera. They are niche products, the spiritual successor to Japanese fixed lens rangefinders of the 1960s like the Canonet QL17. You remember, those cameras that rapidly died a death when affordable SLRs came on to the market in large numbers...

I don't think in the film era it was technologically possible to turn SLR capability into a pocket sized camera. It is now. But they won't do it, instead they make fake rangefinder lookalikes. My theory is they are bought in large numbers primarily for the looks. A small number of serious photographers manage to do great work with them, but that is not why the range is popular.
I rather like my Panasonic Lumix LX1 compact:

"Lumix LX1 is the world's first compact camera with a 'widescreen' 16:9 ratio CCD sensor, combined with a 28-112mm (equiv.) wideangle 4x Leica-branded zoom lens."

https://www.dpreview.com/reviews/panasoniclx1

I keep it for the interesting sensor and the really small size ...
No eye-level viewfinder! I can't use any camera that lacks a viewfinder, can't see the screen.
If it had a viewfinder, would it suit your needs? In just about all other respects it seems to meet your criteria.
I doubt it. The zoom isn't long enough, it has no proper grip or proper command wheels and I dislike powered lenses.

Trying to think of anything that is a near miss...
As in powered zoom lenses? vs mechanical zoom where you turn a ring?

I did think the zoom wouldn't be long enough for you.

You have really specialized requirements - long zoom, mechanical zoom, etc.

The people who shoot long zooms in point & shoot (non ILC) cameras tend to gravitate to the SLR style bodies that aren't really pocketable...

I stopped shooting long zooms long ago (had a 70-200 with optical teleconverter) - it's just not the type of stuff I shoot anymore, but I sympathize with what you're chasing.
I'd like a fuji X30 or a LX100 with a 1" sensor. A smaller, slower, more compact mechanically collapsible and zoomable lens going to at least 150mm equiv. Image stabilisation. High quality EVF. But even such a design wouldn't really be that much different from my GX7 in size and capability - which is why I stick with it even though it means I have to change lenses or use the 14-140mm which sticks out more ruining portablity.

Looking at camerasize, the LX100 and the GX7 plus 12-32mm are about the same size and the GX7 grip is bigger. It's a shame there isn't a superzoom equivalent of the pancake kit zooms.
Longer zooms mean more glass, mean larger and heavier lenses, unfortunately. Maybe someone clever can come up with one.

Leica's Tri Elmars - MATE and WATE (medium and wide) have 3 focal lengths and are suitably Leica sized.

I wonder if mirror or fresnel designs could somehow cleverly make a compact-ish zoom lens. (are there any fresnel lenses used for photography?)
 
Perhaps neither after handling both. I have handled photographed with 100Rf in Fuji store.

Maybe Yamaki San could bring a FFF Foveon 1inch sensor zoom camera f/1.7 - f/2.8 24-100mm. With tilt screen and built in tilt evf, ibis or ois please. Doesn't need to do video. Stills only.

I'd be happy with such a Sigma Foveon.

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Polaroid X530 with it's tiny Foveon sensor I keep looking out for it every now and then. There was one few months earlier ebay not working.

https://www.dpreview.com/articles/4136056509/polaroidx530

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I like large surface sensors, even I considered APS-C small. Do I need large prints for exhibitions? Surely no. I shoot only my satisfaction, I like technical side as mutch as just shooting. Anything under APS-C size is drop out for me. Also zoom lenses, there are times when I'd like to add the flexibility, but I remember every time I have a zoom lens just don't like it at all. I like large sensors overall image quality, sharpness, tonality, dynamic range. Bigger is better, it's the reason I wanted GFX100RF so mutch but it's too expensive for me as a second camera.
 
I like large surface sensors, even I considered APS-C small. Do I need large prints for exhibitions? Surely no. I shoot only my satisfaction, I like technical side as mutch as just shooting. Anything under APS-C size is drop out for me. Also zoom lenses, there are times when I'd like to add the flexibility, but I remember every time I have a zoom lens just don't like it at all. I like large sensors overall image quality, sharpness, tonality, dynamic range. Bigger is better, it's the reason I wanted GFX100RF so mutch but it's too expensive for me as a second camera.
There is a certain freedom photographing with 100Rf I found. I just felt I could photograph a variety of things with it in a variety of ways.

Still £€5K $5K+tarriffs is a heck of a lot for me to feel this photographic freedom. If I was loaded I wouldn't hesitate lol.

I am a little miffed Canon Nikon didn't bring a fixed lens 35mm ff mirrorless camera as yet. Maybe they will after seeing 100Rf.

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I like large surface sensors, even I considered APS-C small. Do I need large prints for exhibitions? Surely no. I shoot only my satisfaction, I like technical side as mutch as just shooting. Anything under APS-C size is drop out for me. Also zoom lenses, there are times when I'd like to add the flexibility, but I remember every time I have a zoom lens just don't like it at all. I like large sensors overall image quality, sharpness, tonality, dynamic range. Bigger is better, it's the reason I wanted GFX100RF so mutch but it's too expensive for me as a second camera.
The GFX 50s (II?) is reasonably priced - between $2K-$3K, not much more than the BF.

As someone who enjoys playing with tech, I've been tempted by a GFX for a while. The idea of shooting outside the typical imaging circle with large aperture lenses for extreme shallow depth of field and increased aberrations around the edges intrigues me.

But then I'd be tempted to get that 100mm lens for more serious work and there's my budget out the window.
 
You don't understand the demand for high image quality small cameras we can slide into an everyday sling, carry around most time. It's obvious you are not the target user. I understand most cameras purpose, even if I'm not in interested group.
No, not that. I've been desperate for a lightweight small compact and capable carry everywhere camera all my photographic life. I'm no fan of lugging my GFX outfit around.

I also understand that all sorts of cameras can serve a useful purpose for someone somewhere even if it makes no sense to someone with different needs.

What I don't understand is why a very limited camera can become insanely popular when it specifications are almost the opposite of the kind of specifications needed for a lightweight, compact do it all all in one camera. It seems counter-intuitive, counter-factual almost. It's a kind of craze or cult.

A fixed lens, fixed focal length camera is, by modern standards, a very inflexible device. It is a very specialised, very niche product. With the Sigma fixed lens cameras, plenty of people ended up carrying 3 or 4 of them at the same time! Not only does this show that people want and need flexibility, but lugging that lot around is the opposite of travelling light and fast.

I've tried out many cameras in that compact carry anywhere role. They all been inadequate in one way or another. No manufacturer has made a serious all in attempt at cracking the problem. Premium compacts have historically been overpriced dross, to be frank. I still actually own a Canon G7. It flatters to deceive, it's not good enough at the job it is intended to fulfil. Competing models are the same.

The closest I got was the Minolta A200, an 8MP 2/3" sensor fixed zoom lens miniature SLR style mirrorless camera with a 28-200mm equivalent manual zoom that was light and flexible and you could just about fit in a coat pocket. It was the baby sized ancestor of modern MILCs but with a fixed lens. It was just about an acceptable compromise. But I could see lots of places where it could have been refined and optimised into a genuinely useful high performance flexible compact and it never was. These days I have given up on compacts, I make do with a Lumix GX7 with a pancake zoom. It's ok and not really bigger than small sensor compacts. I'm still looking for a better compact, but the GX7 will have to do for now.

The Fuji X100 series are not that camera. They are niche products, the spiritual successor to Japanese fixed lens rangefinders of the 1960s like the Canonet QL17. You remember, those cameras that rapidly died a death when affordable SLRs came on to the market in large numbers...

I don't think in the film era it was technologically possible to turn SLR capability into a pocket sized camera. It is now. But they won't do it, instead they make fake rangefinder lookalikes. My theory is they are bought in large numbers primarily for the looks. A small number of serious photographers manage to do great work with them, but that is not why the range is popular.
I rather like my Panasonic Lumix LX1 compact:

"Lumix LX1 is the world's first compact camera with a 'widescreen' 16:9 ratio CCD sensor, combined with a 28-112mm (equiv.) wideangle 4x Leica-branded zoom lens."

https://www.dpreview.com/reviews/panasoniclx1

I keep it for the interesting sensor and the really small size ...
No eye-level viewfinder! I can't use any camera that lacks a viewfinder, can't see the screen.
If it had a viewfinder, would it suit your needs? In just about all other respects it seems to meet your criteria.
I doubt it. The zoom isn't long enough, it has no proper grip or proper command wheels and I dislike powered lenses.

Trying to think of anything that is a near miss...
As in powered zoom lenses? vs mechanical zoom where you turn a ring?

I did think the zoom wouldn't be long enough for you.

You have really specialized requirements - long zoom, mechanical zoom, etc.

The people who shoot long zooms in point & shoot (non ILC) cameras tend to gravitate to the SLR style bodies that aren't really pocketable...

I stopped shooting long zooms long ago (had a 70-200 with optical teleconverter) - it's just not the type of stuff I shoot anymore, but I sympathize with what you're chasing.
I'd like a fuji X30 or a LX100 with a 1" sensor. A smaller, slower, more compact mechanically collapsible and zoomable lens going to at least 150mm equiv. Image stabilisation. High quality EVF. But even such a design wouldn't really be that much different from my GX7 in size and capability - which is why I stick with it even though it means I have to change lenses or use the 14-140mm which sticks out more ruining portablity.

Looking at camerasize, the LX100 and the GX7 plus 12-32mm are about the same size and the GX7 grip is bigger. It's a shame there isn't a superzoom equivalent of the pancake kit zooms.
Longer zooms mean more glass, mean larger and heavier lenses, unfortunately. Maybe someone clever can come up with one.

Leica's Tri Elmars - MATE and WATE (medium and wide) have 3 focal lengths and are suitably Leica sized.

I wonder if mirror or fresnel designs could somehow cleverly make a compact-ish zoom lens. (are there any fresnel lenses used for photography?)
The 35-100 (70-200mm equiv) pancake zoom is 2" long when collapsed. And a very good lens it is too if you don't mind slower variable apertures.

Canon made a couple of DO lenses that incorporate fresnel type optics.
 
I like large surface sensors, even I considered APS-C small. Do I need large prints for exhibitions? Surely no. I shoot only my satisfaction, I like technical side as mutch as just shooting. Anything under APS-C size is drop out for me. Also zoom lenses, there are times when I'd like to add the flexibility, but I remember every time I have a zoom lens just don't like it at all. I like large sensors overall image quality, sharpness, tonality, dynamic range. Bigger is better, it's the reason I wanted GFX100RF so mutch but it's too expensive for me as a second camera.
I think it depends on the type of photography you and how you present it. My standard print size is 12"x12". At this size I see no image quality difference between m43 and 44x33mm medium format. The printer/paper/ink just can't reveal any differences.
 
Maybe Yamaki-san could bring a FFF Foveon 1inch sensor <>
How can a sensor be full-frame and 1" at the same time?
Magic Fairy Dust. 🎇

FFF 1:1:1 3triple layer Foveon no?

Or .... I must have picked up wrong meaning of FFF for Foveon triple layer. Oops.

Maybe Yamaki-san could bring a FFF Foveon 1inch sensor <>
How can a sensor be full-frame and 1" at the same time?
I think he means 1:1:1

Maybe the next Foveon will be a 4d sensor capable of creating hologram images. The FFFF.
That's it. 1:1:1

5D surely FFFFF.
 
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Maybe Yamaki-san could bring a FFF Foveon 1inch sensor <>
How can a sensor be full-frame and 1" at the same time?
Magic Fairy Dust. 🎇

FFF 1:1:1 3triple layer Foveon no?

Or .... I must have picked up wrong meaning of FFF for Foveon triple layer. Oops.
Maybe Yamaki-san could bring a FFF Foveon 1inch sensor <>
How can a sensor be full-frame and 1" at the same time?
I think he means 1:1:1

Maybe the next Foveon will be a 4d sensor capable of creating hologram images. The FFFF.
That's it. 1:1:1

5D surely FFFFF.
Full Frame Foveon
 
I think it depends on the type of photography you and how you present it. My standard print size is 12"x12". At this size I see no image quality difference between m43 and 44x33mm medium format. The printer/paper/ink just can't reveal any differences.
My diagonal print size is under 20" for which my original DP1, my Pany G1 m4/3, my Canon G1XmkII 1.5" sensor I had is fine for my photographs, even my 1/2.5" 1/1.8" sensor cameras are fine depending on the photo I took.

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Photo I took from my 5MP Ricoh R3 1/2.5" sensor. Ricoh R3 got me into photography in 2008. Exif says photo 2014 I'm sure it was 2010 or so.

https://www.dpreview.com/products/ricoh/compacts/ricoh_caplior3

Thing I would liked in some landscape photos I took 2008-2012 (not this R3 photo), I wish I could on my 4K screen zoom in to see details because they start pixelating too quickly. If I had a 100MP 44x33 I would return to some of these places I photographed 2008-2012 to photograph them once more.

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Photography after all is interplay of light alongside perspective.
 
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In BF the interchangeable lens is a huge deal, because in terms of the RF I have the 28mm FOV with F4 and done.
35mm equivalent for MF f/4 is just over f/3 (crop factor 0.78).
I'm aware of perfectly. I think sticking with BF, I just can't justify so high value camera with one f4 focal length forever. I can accept at DP series or GR3 price range but not in gfx100rf. Still I like the camera very much.
Just get an older used "proper" GFX, like 50, or even 100, maybe? It will be just a bit more expensive than BF.
I get that you need something small, but a fixed MF lens is a weird thing, tbh.

I am no GFX guy, btw, as I only own H4D and some foveon cameras.
 
If you can find a 70g lens, they'd even weight the same
Lukacs85 wrote:

I've considered to get a 40 2.5G for A7RV...
Wow, 2.5G is much lighter ... ;-)
This is the lens he's talking about Ted:

https://www.adorama.com/iso4025.html

It's light, but a lot heavier than 70 grams.
Thank you, Scott ... I was kidding ...
Yeah Ted, but I still thought you might not know what exactly he might have meant by the 40 2.5G.
 

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