The weight difference gets even more pronounced when looking at the respective f1.8 primes. 300g for the Lumix 50mm f1.8 vs. 165g for the Canon RF 50mm f1.8.
Interesting Comparison: The brand new M4/3 OM System OM3 and the new 25mm f/1.7 lens weighs exactly the same amount - 650g. There are lots of differences in features and price, but we certainly have some interesting choices.
The colors are not much different IF YOU PROCESS RAW FILES EFFECTIVELY. If you don't really take advantage of raw files, they are likely to be quite different.
I actually don't think the R8 battery life is particularly poor - unless you compare it with a xD or xxD DSLR.
I was basing my comments solely based on my experience with the RP for event photography. That means continuous activity for several hours with two cameras (one wide and one with a modest telephoto or standard zoom). In total for a very long event, that could be 1,000+ images in one day (or evening) between the two units. Some of the time, I will be carrying both and they would both be on. Other times, especially at a dinner, I put one down so I can concentrate on just one type of shooting (and I have been known to briefly forget which table I left the one I put down!). But the RP had a knack for dying just before a critical moment. Without a percentage battery indicator, it really isn’t easy to anticipate when it will happen.I actually don't think the R8 battery life is particularly poor - unless you compare it with a xD or xxD DSLR.
I seldom review photos in the field, and tend not to muck around with settings etc too much either, and my battery life on both R8 & R10 FAR exceeds the stated CIPA numbers.
On a zoo day I took about 4,500 photos with R8, including some decent bursts admittedly, and I used about 1½ batteries. On most outings I seldom change batteries. I have also got into the habit (after owning a M5 for a few years) of flicking the power switch off unless I think I will be shooting again very soon - because the camera, especially with a smaller lens like EF-M 22mm, tended to keep waking itself up.
I will admit that it is noticeably worse than the battery life on my 70D or 6D ii, where I seldom needed a second battery. But unless you are comparing directly with cameras like these, R8 really isn't too bad.
I do think that the battery life of the LP-E17 based cameras is generally criticised a little unfairly, probably based on the poor numbers given on spec sheets.
The upside of LP-E17 is that the genuine batteries are pretty cheap compared to the latest LP-E6 variants
Fair enough - I wasn't thinking of professional shooting. Generally I try to switch a battery as soon as the warning comes up, but that could be awkward in a event situation. If something is more "critical" I will install a fresh battery before the start. I bought a little (soft) pouch that takes 4 LP-E17 batteries in individual slots, and I have a system where I always take batteries from one end and move them up as I use them and put the spent batteries in the "other end" slots (with the covers reversed), so it is easy to tell which ones need to be charged.I was basing my comments solely based on my experience with the RP for event photography. That means continuous activity for several hours with two cameras (one wide and one with a modest telephoto or standard zoom). In total for a very long event, that could be 1,000+ images in one day (or evening) between the two units. Some of the time, I will be carrying both and they would both be on. Other times, especially at a dinner, I put one down so I can concentrate on just one type of shooting (and I have been known to briefly forget which table I left the one I put down!). But the RP had a knack for dying just before a critical moment. Without a percentage battery indicator, it really isn’t easy to anticipate when it will happen.I actually don't think the R8 battery life is particularly poor - unless you compare it with a xD or xxD DSLR.
I seldom review photos in the field, and tend not to muck around with settings etc too much either, and my battery life on both R8 & R10 FAR exceeds the stated CIPA numbers.
On a zoo day I took about 4,500 photos with R8, including some decent bursts admittedly, and I used about 1½ batteries. On most outings I seldom change batteries. I have also got into the habit (after owning a M5 for a few years) of flicking the power switch off unless I think I will be shooting again very soon - because the camera, especially with a smaller lens like EF-M 22mm, tended to keep waking itself up.
I will admit that it is noticeably worse than the battery life on my 70D or 6D ii, where I seldom needed a second battery. But unless you are comparing directly with cameras like these, R8 really isn't too bad.
I do think that the battery life of the LP-E17 based cameras is generally criticised a little unfairly, probably based on the poor numbers given on spec sheets.
The upside of LP-E17 is that the genuine batteries are pretty cheap compared to the latest LP-E6 variants
I never shoot bursts at an event. 1,000 images is enough to go through without bursts adding hundred more!
If I am shooting a dress rehearsal of a stage play that has an intermission, I change batteries as soon as the lights come up. Events are harder to predict timing on.
It doesn’t take long to change batteries, but it is a distraction. And if the timing is bad, you may have a disappointed client.
You also have to be disciplined in your battery management. You have to make sure the batteries you bring are in fact fully charged and that the spent batteries you bring home are put on the charger and that you don’t mix up charged and uncharged batteries. And with the RP, you need at least two spare batteries with you.
It is of course possible that the R8 is more efficient than the RP, but I haven’t seen anyone mention that.
When I am using two Canon cameras for an event (I always use two and sometimes three but not necessarily all Canon), the main unit is my EOS R. Even though it uses a larger battery and does have a percentage indicator, sometimes it catches me by surprise when I get the low battery warning. So, I recently bought the Canon battery grip and it can go all day now. Logically, two EOS R units would be practical. But an R with a battery grip is fairly heavy and carrying two would equal an aching back and/or neck.,
That is the kind of system you need. Unfortunately, I have not been that disciplined. Some time ago I raised this issue here and someone said very simply, just carry one with you. At that point, I had a place in my camera bag where I kept all my spare batteries (all in pouches or covered in some way). It just had not occurred to me to carry one with me at all times. So that is what I do now. Keeping track of which ones have been discharged is a challenge though.
This.
From the RP I liked the natural looking skin, and the way green was rendered. Green grass always looked properly green, other cameras I find often have a slightly yellow tint. I found adobe profiles for the RP matched jpeg colours well. I can replicate this to some degree on my S5. In fact starting from the natural profile I can get pretty nice skin from the S5.
Have you actually tried an R8 yet? If not, this whole discussion is theoretical, not that it’s a problem. However, there are plenty of us getting perfectly satisfactory results from an R8, who have had other bodies previously, including RP. So I really don’t think you need to be concerned.
I haven’t tried an R8, aside from briefly handling in a shop but it’s basically the same body as the RP. I’ve only been able to judge from sample images and online discussion as to how the colours compare.
Have you downloaded any R8 RAW files from this site?
This is an impossible task.
Well, we are all different and respond to colors in different ways. It's difficult to describe how and why though. But I think you're right about nostalgia. I tend to prefer warm, rich colors, think Technicolor in the 80's. Red, brown warm, rich and saturated. Why? Probably because I grew up with it.
Ive not played with the raws but I’ve been through the RP and the R8 galleries. To my eye there are nicer images in the RP gallery. But the RP gallery was shot with a whole bunch of high end lenses, whereas the R8 gallery was shot mostly with the 24-50mm collapsible kit lens. So probably not the fairest comparisons.
"The colors are not much different IF YOU PROCESS RAW FILES EFFECTIVELY. If you don't really take advantage of raw files, they are likely to be quite different"
This is true however there is sooo much to consider when it comes to color rendition. Even though certain cameras seem to have a "baked in" look in the RAW files it could be how the in-body image processor is decoding the sensor when the RAW file is generated in the camera or the dyes of the CFA or white balance algorithms. On top of that you have the IR/UV filters and finally lens brand and choice of lens that also have a big impact on color rendition.
I get where you’re coming from, but most tend to have a workflow around a specific software.This is true however there is sooo much to consider when it comes to color rendition. Even though certain cameras seem to have a "baked in" look in the RAW files it could be how the in-body image processor is decoding the sensor when the RAW file is generated in the camera or the dyes of the CFA or white balance algorithms. On top of that you have the IR/UV filters and finally lens brand and choice of lens that also have a big impact on color rendition.
Then you have the demosaicing process and choice of RAW converter AND camera profiles.
That said, when using Adobes software and their profiles (including camera matching profiles) I do agree that the RP (and most older Canons for that metter) looks much more pleasing vs the modern Canon stuff. But all bets are off when you start to mess around with color profiles, different software, lenses and so on.
It's complicated. But fun
Ps. I never understood the CCD myth. I don't think it's the sensor per se, more how they tuned the algorithms and profiles to be honest. The old Canon 5D is known to have jawdropping color output and is hard to beat even today. And it has CMOS.
