Maybe A.I. culling will become a new "feature" in future bodies (going beyond just OOF).
LOL, sometimes that's how I feel about some of the posts I write. ;-)
that is the direction Canon pushed for ages - one had to buy TWO cameras instead of ONE to get the reach factor that the one lacked
Lucky for Canon that we are all different. I prefer two cameras, so I can swap lenses between them (rather than fiddle for lenses in a bag or pocket), to get different fields of view, or for indoors v. outdoors. Then one is a spare. And I see no need for pay more for bigger file sizes or storage space. It's the two camera combo for me.
The new 83.2 MPXL camera should allow smaller file sizes with a selection for that
And which other camera manufacturer doesn't do this?
And then someone would complain that Canon wasn't offering a crop camera with, say, 50MP. And if they did, others would then decide that the 83.2MP 'beast' wasn't beastly enough for them, because it 'only' offered 32.5MP in crop mode, which isn't nearly enough reach for anyone serious about wildlife photography. And on and on. Remember when the 7D was released? An 18MP crop camera! Wow! The reach! Now, of course, the R5II offers almost that in crop mode, but it isn't enough. It's never enough. It's much more fun to continually pine (and whine) for more and more and more than to use the amazing tools we have right now.
Canon have stated they don't have the capability to produce a higher res systems, with low rolling shutter, and similar noise and dynamic range to the r52. This is why the r1 is the resolution it is.
well, at least Sony made a 61.4 MPXL a7R V that gets 24 MPXL's in the crop mode
someone might, I wouldn't, because I've used 32.5 mpxl m6II crop camera for years and 32.5 mpxl on a crop camera is a sweet spot for me. You yourself have TWO 32.5 mpxl crop cameras so I assume you like 32.5 MPXL crop cameras.
others are not me
the sensor lens combo is being maxed out at around 32 mpxl imo Fuji's 40 mpxl had some crushing impact on their lens lineup.
of course I skipped it and waited for 7d2
I remember very well, Canon launching 18 mpxl iteration after 18 mpxl iteration - years of 18 mpxl iteration cameras - I was happier when they finally moved forward from their stubborn stagnation
maybe for some, but as I've said, 32.5 mpxl crop for me is a sweet spot
I'm not pine-ing and whining - I'm using the amazing R8 and m6II - at least amazing for me
Sony also don't produce one camera that does it all. For example the A7R IV has a sensor reasout time if around 100ms and I think the A7CR is similar. Clearly this isn't acceptable when shooting action.
someone might, I wouldn't, because I've used 32.5 mpxl m6II crop camera for years and 32.5 mpxl on a crop camera is a sweet spot for me. You yourself have TWO 32.5 mpxl crop cameras so I assume you like 32.5 MPXL crop cameras.
others are not me
the sensor lens combo is being maxed out at around 32 mpxl imo Fuji's 40 mpxl had some crushing impact on their lens lineup.
of course I skipped it and waited for 7d2
I remember very well, Canon launching 18 mpxl iteration after 18 mpxl iteration - years of 18 mpxl iteration cameras - I was happier when they finally moved forward from their stubborn stagnation
maybe for some, but as I've said, 32.5 mpxl crop for me is a sweet spot
I'm not pine-ing and whining - I'm using the amazing R8 and m6II - at least amazing for me
all I'm saying is that for many years on the forum users have said over and over they were buying two cameras, 5dII + 7d or 6d + 7d2 (my pair) etc, etc because 1 camera did not do it all for them
I'm saying I'll stay put until Canon gives me 1 camera that better does it all - like an 82 mpxl FF camera that has a 32.5 mpxl crop sweet spot
I may be waiting a long time because I don't think Canon wants to sell an all in one sweet spot camera - they want customers who like many bodies and many lens systems to go along with those bodies - customers with a big budgets like you , who have become fan boys - which is ok, whatever floats your boat - but redundancy has no place for me in my retirement
What I want is what Canon likely already has developed. They have the 32.5 mpxl sensor in the R7 and M6II as crop cameras. It is likely they can just expand this same sensor into the 82 MPXL FF sensor and build the technology around this great sensor
someone might, I wouldn't, because I've used 32.5 mpxl m6II crop camera for years and 32.5 mpxl on a crop camera is a sweet spot for me. You yourself have TWO 32.5 mpxl crop cameras so I assume you like 32.5 MPXL crop cameras.
others are not me
the sensor lens combo is being maxed out at around 32 mpxl imo Fuji's 40 mpxl had some crushing impact on their lens lineup.
of course I skipped it and waited for 7d2
I remember very well, Canon launching 18 mpxl iteration after 18 mpxl iteration - years of 18 mpxl iteration cameras - I was happier when they finally moved forward from their stubborn stagnation
maybe for some, but as I've said, 32.5 mpxl crop for me is a sweet spot
I'm not pine-ing and whining - I'm using the amazing R8 and m6II - at least amazing for me
all I'm saying is that for many years on the forum users have said over and over they were buying two cameras, 5dII + 7d or 6d + 7d2 (my pair) etc, etc because 1 camera did not do it all for them
I'm saying I'll stay put until Canon gives me 1 camera that better does it all - like an 82 mpxl FF camera that has a 32.5 mpxl crop sweet spot
I may be waiting a long time because I don't think Canon wants to sell an all in one sweet spot camera - they want customers who like many bodies and many lens systems to go along with those bodies - customers with a big budgets like you , who have become fan boys - which is ok, whatever floats your boat - but redundancy has no place for me in my retirement
It rolling shutter performance and perhaps noise/dynamic range don't fit in with the ethos of the R5 and R1 platforms.
someone might, I wouldn't, because I've used 32.5 mpxl m6II crop camera for years and 32.5 mpxl on a crop camera is a sweet spot for me. You yourself have TWO 32.5 mpxl crop cameras so I assume you like 32.5 MPXL crop cameras.
others are not me
the sensor lens combo is being maxed out at around 32 mpxl imo Fuji's 40 mpxl had some crushing impact on their lens lineup.
of course I skipped it and waited for 7d2
I remember very well, Canon launching 18 mpxl iteration after 18 mpxl iteration - years of 18 mpxl iteration cameras - I was happier when they finally moved forward from their stubborn stagnation
maybe for some, but as I've said, 32.5 mpxl crop for me is a sweet spot
I'm not pine-ing and whining - I'm using the amazing R8 and m6II - at least amazing for me
all I'm saying is that for many years on the forum users have said over and over they were buying two cameras, 5dII + 7d or 6d + 7d2 (my pair) etc, etc because 1 camera did not do it all for them
I'm saying I'll stay put until Canon gives me 1 camera that better does it all - like an 82 mpxl FF camera that has a 32.5 mpxl crop sweet spot
I may be waiting a long time because I don't think Canon wants to sell an all in one sweet spot camera - they want customers who like many bodies and many lens systems to go along with those bodies - customers with a big budgets like you , who have become fan boys - which is ok, whatever floats your boat - but redundancy has no place for me in my retirement
Except that that great sensor has a 30ms readout time, which would be 49ms for an 85MPx version if it reads at the same number of lines per milliseconds or 78ms at the same data rate as the R7's sensor. People complain about the rolling shutter of the R7 because the R5 II reads out the whole 45MPx sensor in 6.3ms, the R3 reads 24MPx in 5.5ms and the R1 reads out 24MPx in 2.8ms, equivalent to an X-synch speed of 1/350th of a second.
Perhaps some have noticed that English is not my own language ( actually the third after Finnish and Swedish).Thanks Kari. I think this is perhaps more a reflection of his goodself rather than the system he is using. He has some darn good photos.Of course the keeper rate can be many things - actual keeper rate ( how many you really keep) or the theoretical amount of great images.I don't know him personally but if you could link the essay I'd be happy to read.
Without reading the document it's difficult to comment.
It perhaps depends how you measure it or how well you understand how to use the system. For example if we measure this as a ratio of keepers Vs total images shot one will get a different picture to keepers per event. I can categorically say our keeper rates, between four of us across three bodies have increased between the R5 and the R52.
That doesn't mean we shoot at 30 FPS and if his conclusion is based on frame rate then it's a false premise.
That way of measuring keepers as a ratio of total shot sounds a unhelpful way of measuring. The number per shoot would be my route.
Some scents I perhaps shoot 2500 or more. We are now keeping almost all of them.
Disc space? We have effectively infinite cloud space, and locally around 40TB (for photography). Buy some bigger driveswhat's he going to do of he starts shooting 4k60 or 8k60 video?
I've never had keeper rates so low nor would I ever measure it in that way.
It doesn't shoot 40fps. One feature it does have, is the three different FPS speeds one can select each of these can be tuned. So I could have a selection of say 3fps, 5fps, 10fps as maximums for each of those selectable ranges. Or we can open them up and shoot faster.
The keeper rates for the r52 have little to nothing to do with FPS. How about pre-continuous shooting? I'm using it shooting Judo so I don't miss something. How about shooting 4k120 and grabbing stills or some great slowmotion? How about registering a face by uploading a suitable image so at a children's party the birthday child as it runs around can always be focussed on even running behind other children? Or the special sports modes that predict the notion of player and ball (football for example).
I wouldn't go backwards towards the R3 but if love to shoot an event with the R1. Those cross type AF points (nothing to do with FPS) I think could have helped me last night shooting a local gig in a low ceiling, dark event.
I did use the register face for it after a short time which did help my R52. Haven't sorted the images yet but I suspect I'll keep almost all images, plus I've about 1TB of 4k60 and a little 4k120.
One nifty feature is I can take some 2k video and still images at the same time - simultaneously and that's super handy.
We are off to the Bahrain F1 in a few weeks as visitors rather than my normal working with a team. I've got a press pass and taking 2 x R52 with me, one for video and the other stills. The track have asked for all of the data once processed but interested in the 8k60 as they can't shoot that. I appreciate lots of dedicated video cameras can shoot it and some go further into 12k, or 17k but it will be interesting. Can't record too much due to the size but it will be uploaded to the cloud daily.
Could I shoot it all with an R5? (Ignoring the 8k60) Sure I could. R3? Yep but it's a big loss of MP. Heck it could easily be shot on a 5D4. Will look out for what bodies and lenses are floating about but the team we work with are 100% canon, usually r6/r6ii.
Will look out for David DuChemin
P.s. found him. Perhaps his comments are related to his style and personality. I'll paste a small extract which may suggest complex cameras are not right for him.
Are You Pushing the Right Buttons?
December 15, 202438 Comments
I have a confession: I only know what 5% of the buttons, dials
The more you shoot ..... and why his keeper rate is getting worse. His opinion:
https://davidduchemin.com
I don't use them either. I don't shoot video at 8k, and I usually like to keep my max framerate throttled at 20 fps. And even so, my number of keepers at the end of the day are about double what I've gotten from my other bodies (R5, R6, R6ii, R7).
I've replied to one of your previous posts describing how Canon have stated this is not possible for them on budget.
I hadn't noticed (your English is superb) but appreciate you pointing that outPerhaps some have noticed that English is not my own language ( actually the third after Finnish and Swedish).Thanks Kari. I think this is perhaps more a reflection of his goodself rather than the system he is using. He has some darn good photos.Of course the keeper rate can be many things - actual keeper rate ( how many you really keep) or the theoretical amount of great images.I don't know him personally but if you could link the essay I'd be happy to read.
Without reading the document it's difficult to comment.
It perhaps depends how you measure it or how well you understand how to use the system. For example if we measure this as a ratio of keepers Vs total images shot one will get a different picture to keepers per event. I can categorically say our keeper rates, between four of us across three bodies have increased between the R5 and the R52.
That doesn't mean we shoot at 30 FPS and if his conclusion is based on frame rate then it's a false premise.
That way of measuring keepers as a ratio of total shot sounds a unhelpful way of measuring. The number per shoot would be my route.
Some scents I perhaps shoot 2500 or more. We are now keeping almost all of them.
Disc space? We have effectively infinite cloud space, and locally around 40TB (for photography). Buy some bigger drives
I've never had keeper rates so low nor would I ever measure it in that way.
It doesn't shoot 40fps. One feature it does have, is the three different FPS speeds one can select each of these can be tuned. So I could have a selection of say 3fps, 5fps, 10fps as maximums for each of those selectable ranges. Or we can open them up and shoot faster.
The keeper rates for the r52 have little to nothing to do with FPS. How about pre-continuous shooting? I'm using it shooting Judo so I don't miss something. How about shooting 4k120 and grabbing stills or some great slowmotion? How about registering a face by uploading a suitable image so at a children's party the birthday child as it runs around can always be focussed on even running behind other children? Or the special sports modes that predict the notion of player and ball (football for example).
I wouldn't go backwards towards the R3 but if love to shoot an event with the R1. Those cross type AF points (nothing to do with FPS) I think could have helped me last night shooting a local gig in a low ceiling, dark event.
I did use the register face for it after a short time which did help my R52. Haven't sorted the images yet but I suspect I'll keep almost all images, plus I've about 1TB of 4k60 and a little 4k120.
One nifty feature is I can take some 2k video and still images at the same time - simultaneously and that's super handy.
We are off to the Bahrain F1 in a few weeks as visitors rather than my normal working with a team. I've got a press pass and taking 2 x R52 with me, one for video and the other stills. The track have asked for all of the data once processed but interested in the 8k60 as they can't shoot that. I appreciate lots of dedicated video cameras can shoot it and some go further into 12k, or 17k but it will be interesting. Can't record too much due to the size but it will be uploaded to the cloud daily.
Could I shoot it all with an R5? (Ignoring the 8k60) Sure I could. R3? Yep but it's a big loss of MP. Heck it could easily be shot on a 5D4. Will look out for what bodies and lenses are floating about but the team we work with are 100% canon, usually r6/r6ii.
Will look out for David DuChemin
P.s. found him. Perhaps his comments are related to his style and personality. I'll paste a small extract which may suggest complex cameras are not right for him.
Are You Pushing the Right Buttons?
December 15, 202438 Comments
I have a confession: I only know what 5% of the buttons, dials
The more you shoot ..... and why his keeper rate is getting worse. His opinion:
https://davidduchemin.com
I think the word rate is understood correctly but perhaps it's application is open to interpretation. One can have a keeper rate per day, or rate per event, or per year but also one can have it as a ratio of total shots taken.
I agree it's a complex camera - complex enough we store our settings (that's 4 files for the r52) on a cloud drive under different events. Having custom modes for stills and video things get complex. Even all of the network settings are a headache.
I think this is my personal problem with high tech gear that makes me write. Of some reason I can understand quite fast how complex technical things work, but there is always some subconscious dislike at the same time. I had some artistic aspirations and perhaps even some talent when I was young and I still think that it is the hand connected to brains that creates things. IF the camera does too much and needs too much I'm afraid I I forget the essential part... I still have some distant art aspirationsI hadn't noticed (your English is superb) but appreciate you pointing that outPerhaps some have noticed that English is not my own language ( actually the third after Finnish and Swedish).Thanks Kari. I think this is perhaps more a reflection of his goodself rather than the system he is using. He has some darn good photos.Of course the keeper rate can be many things - actual keeper rate ( how many you really keep) or the theoretical amount of great images.I don't know him personally but if you could link the essay I'd be happy to read.
Without reading the document it's difficult to comment.
It perhaps depends how you measure it or how well you understand how to use the system. For example if we measure this as a ratio of keepers Vs total images shot one will get a different picture to keepers per event. I can categorically say our keeper rates, between four of us across three bodies have increased between the R5 and the R52.
That doesn't mean we shoot at 30 FPS and if his conclusion is based on frame rate then it's a false premise.
That way of measuring keepers as a ratio of total shot sounds a unhelpful way of measuring. The number per shoot would be my route.
Some scents I perhaps shoot 2500 or more. We are now keeping almost all of them.
Disc space? We have effectively infinite cloud space, and locally around 40TB (for photography). Buy some bigger drives
I've never had keeper rates so low nor would I ever measure it in that way.
It doesn't shoot 40fps. One feature it does have, is the three different FPS speeds one can select each of these can be tuned. So I could have a selection of say 3fps, 5fps, 10fps as maximums for each of those selectable ranges. Or we can open them up and shoot faster.
The keeper rates for the r52 have little to nothing to do with FPS. How about pre-continuous shooting? I'm using it shooting Judo so I don't miss something. How about shooting 4k120 and grabbing stills or some great slowmotion? How about registering a face by uploading a suitable image so at a children's party the birthday child as it runs around can always be focussed on even running behind other children? Or the special sports modes that predict the notion of player and ball (football for example).
I wouldn't go backwards towards the R3 but if love to shoot an event with the R1. Those cross type AF points (nothing to do with FPS) I think could have helped me last night shooting a local gig in a low ceiling, dark event.
I did use the register face for it after a short time which did help my R52. Haven't sorted the images yet but I suspect I'll keep almost all images, plus I've about 1TB of 4k60 and a little 4k120.
One nifty feature is I can take some 2k video and still images at the same time - simultaneously and that's super handy.
We are off to the Bahrain F1 in a few weeks as visitors rather than my normal working with a team. I've got a press pass and taking 2 x R52 with me, one for video and the other stills. The track have asked for all of the data once processed but interested in the 8k60 as they can't shoot that. I appreciate lots of dedicated video cameras can shoot it and some go further into 12k, or 17k but it will be interesting. Can't record too much due to the size but it will be uploaded to the cloud daily.
Could I shoot it all with an R5? (Ignoring the 8k60) Sure I could. R3? Yep but it's a big loss of MP. Heck it could easily be shot on a 5D4. Will look out for what bodies and lenses are floating about but the team we work with are 100% canon, usually r6/r6ii.
Will look out for David DuChemin
P.s. found him. Perhaps his comments are related to his style and personality. I'll paste a small extract which may suggest complex cameras are not right for him.
Are You Pushing the Right Buttons?
December 15, 202438 Comments
I have a confession: I only know what 5% of the buttons, dials
The more you shoot ..... and why his keeper rate is getting worse. His opinion:
https://davidduchemin.com
I think the word rate is understood correctly but perhaps it's application is open to interpretation. One can have a keeper rate per day, or rate per event, or per year but also one can have it as a ratio of total shots taken.
The last definition starts to make less sense as frame rates increase. For example if I shot at 120fps I perhaps have a significant number of those images which to all intent and purpose are identical. Do I keep them all or just 1? If just 1 that's going to look bad as a keeper rate but in reality the system is so good we have many almost identical images to choose from.
A customer won't care how many images I shot but how many I deliver per event, per day etc.
I agree it's a complex camera - complex enough we store our settings (that's 4 files for the r52) on a cloud drive under different events. Having custom modes for stills and video things get complex. Even all of the network settings are a headache.
If I was shooting landscapes only, or perhaps products I perhaps would be able to benefit from higher resolution MF systems but currently the r52 has the best answers for us. I could benefit from the Sony GS system in a small number of cases but using the flicker and HF flicker capability that the r52 and r1 has gets me out of trouble.
Reading some of your responses it sounds like you are settled with the system you have and make good use of it (and hopefully enjoy it).
We do winter testing of cars in Sweden and it's where we can test drones that are launched by rocket (can't do it in the UK) and I love Finland - I really should visit the Moomin museum again.
