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Are you Team 35mm or 50mm?
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It’s a real shame there aren’t more 28s. I am tempted by the by the body cap, but F4.5 is a bit thin for me in a fixed aperture. I’d love a dg dn. I’m also very tempted by the Voigtlander 1.5.Interesting I like 35mm as a general purpose FL because it's that in betweener, although I probably would prefer 40mm, I've shot both enough to find them interchangeable but I can see how others wouldn't... Whereas I've grown to love 50mm for some specific purposes, ie when shooting more people than places, when I want more or the same degree of DoF control in a smaller package (than my 35GM), etc.
Like I said in my other comment I swear I'm team 35mm but maybe I'm fooling myself cause on E mount I now have 1 28mm (body cap), 1 35mm, 1 45mm, and 2x (manual) 50mm... Maybe I just have a problem.
I never take two of those out at the same time though, except for 28 + 45/50. It's a shame we don't have more great 28mm options, or 40s for that matter. Would love to see (all hypothetical based on the respective lines) a 28/2 DN, 28/2 APO-Lanthar, 40/1.4 GM/DN, 40/1.8 G, etc. I think it's also a shame the main module on phones is now trending towards 24mm (or wider) when it used to be like ~30mm.
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Of the two, 35. Honestly, a "perfect" 40 (something like the Sigma 35/2, but as a 40/1.4) could be my only prime, but nobody makes it.
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I’d love the next 1.8G lens to be a 28mm. A perfect street lens for many and would differentiate from the GM range….. A cheaper Leica Q range so to speak.It’s a real shame there aren’t more 28s. I am tempted by the by the body cap, but F4.5 is a bit thin for me in a fixed aperture. I’d love a dg dn. I’m also very tempted by the Voigtlander 1.5.Interesting I like 35mm as a general purpose FL because it's that in betweener, although I probably would prefer 40mm, I've shot both enough to find them interchangeable but I can see how others wouldn't... Whereas I've grown to love 50mm for some specific purposes, ie when shooting more people than places, when I want more or the same degree of DoF control in a smaller package (than my 35GM), etc.
Like I said in my other comment I swear I'm team 35mm but maybe I'm fooling myself cause on E mount I now have 1 28mm (body cap), 1 35mm, 1 45mm, and 2x (manual) 50mm... Maybe I just have a problem.
I never take two of those out at the same time though, except for 28 + 45/50. It's a shame we don't have more great 28mm options, or 40s for that matter. Would love to see (all hypothetical based on the respective lines) a 28/2 DN, 28/2 APO-Lanthar, 40/1.4 GM/DN, 40/1.8 G, etc. I think it's also a shame the main module on phones is now trending towards 24mm (or wider) when it used to be like ~30mm.
This very interesting thread has sparked an issue in my current situation. I've recently migrated to the A7IV after using a A77II for a decade. Moving to a full frame has been interesting and I think I will like it more as I go along. For lenses I bought the 20-70 GM F4 and the 70-200 GMII F4. Mostly b/c of comments on this forum about these lenses and my past habits of shooting zooms to cover most ranges I shoot. (Much easier to zoom around and compose than walk around and compare with big distances.)
My zooms before were Sony 24-70 & 70-200 G 2.8's and I am not sure yet how missing those faster apertures will be over time. I suspect not. Since I shoot mostly landscapes I thought going to the F4 on new lenses would be fine enough with improvements in lenses overall. So far so good, but when I do want a faster lens I have only my past Minolta 85G F1.4 lens which did double duty on the crop A77II's for portraits and single closer subject shots as well as when I needed a faster shutter due to available light, or if I was looking for good Bokeh. So now I am concerned that with the full frame A7IV the 85mm will still be a bit too long, and it needs the LA-EA5 adapter on the A7IV. (It's just one more equivalent lens change to make which I have always hated.)
So I began pondering a newer smaller fast lens to carry for a 3 lens kit to choose for all travel. It would need to cover portraits, street, and some architectural opportunities. A 35GM F1.x (x= whatever) or a 50GM 1.x comes to mind. Any lens wider than the 20mm on the 20-70GM would not be greatly needed. The faster lens need however became a more immediate concern when my wife booked a Rhine cruise for this summer. This concern will be echoed over many other trips to our national parks and travel in the future.
I'd be very interested in how other shooters would view this dilemma/opportunity to lock in a kit that would accompany them on future multiple trips. A new 35mm or 50mm? And what aperture?
Just browsing through Greentoe.com I saw a Sony 50mm 2.5 G which was rated 8.6 which was in the range of the best lenses of that range. A 50mm F1.4GM at twice the price w/o a rating. And a 35mm F1.8 that rated 8.5 which seemed pretty good for a non GM lens and a 35mm F1.4GM with a nice 9.0 rating at twice the price. These lenses or my current Minolta 85mm G F1.4 with LA-EA 5 adapter are probably my choices to go forward at least at this time.
My zooms before were Sony 24-70 & 70-200 G 2.8's and I am not sure yet how missing those faster apertures will be over time. I suspect not. Since I shoot mostly landscapes I thought going to the F4 on new lenses would be fine enough with improvements in lenses overall. So far so good, but when I do want a faster lens I have only my past Minolta 85G F1.4 lens which did double duty on the crop A77II's for portraits and single closer subject shots as well as when I needed a faster shutter due to available light, or if I was looking for good Bokeh. So now I am concerned that with the full frame A7IV the 85mm will still be a bit too long, and it needs the LA-EA5 adapter on the A7IV. (It's just one more equivalent lens change to make which I have always hated.)
So I began pondering a newer smaller fast lens to carry for a 3 lens kit to choose for all travel. It would need to cover portraits, street, and some architectural opportunities. A 35GM F1.x (x= whatever) or a 50GM 1.x comes to mind. Any lens wider than the 20mm on the 20-70GM would not be greatly needed. The faster lens need however became a more immediate concern when my wife booked a Rhine cruise for this summer. This concern will be echoed over many other trips to our national parks and travel in the future.
I'd be very interested in how other shooters would view this dilemma/opportunity to lock in a kit that would accompany them on future multiple trips. A new 35mm or 50mm? And what aperture?
Just browsing through Greentoe.com I saw a Sony 50mm 2.5 G which was rated 8.6 which was in the range of the best lenses of that range. A 50mm F1.4GM at twice the price w/o a rating. And a 35mm F1.8 that rated 8.5 which seemed pretty good for a non GM lens and a 35mm F1.4GM with a nice 9.0 rating at twice the price. These lenses or my current Minolta 85mm G F1.4 with LA-EA 5 adapter are probably my choices to go forward at least at this time.
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Isn't the circumstances the deciding factor? I'm not team Phillips head or Standard head screwdriver either. Depends
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50mm with film, 35mm with digital because nowadays it's all in the crop. The 50mm image in various aspect ratios is available from the 35mm image, not the other way around.
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Yeah that Nokton looks intriguing, I'm curious to see to what degree CV adjusted it for E mount, hopefully PhillipReeve can get a sample in for review.It’s a real shame there aren’t more 28s. I am tempted by the by the body cap, but F4.5 is a bit thin for me in a fixed aperture. I’d love a dg dn. I’m also very tempted by the Voigtlander 1.5.Interesting I like 35mm as a general purpose FL because it's that in betweener, although I probably would prefer 40mm, I've shot both enough to find them interchangeable but I can see how others wouldn't... Whereas I've grown to love 50mm for some specific purposes, ie when shooting more people than places, when I want more or the same degree of DoF control in a smaller package (than my 35GM), etc.
Like I said in my other comment I swear I'm team 35mm but maybe I'm fooling myself cause on E mount I now have 1 28mm (body cap), 1 35mm, 1 45mm, and 2x (manual) 50mm... Maybe I just have a problem.
I never take two of those out at the same time though, except for 28 + 45/50. It's a shame we don't have more great 28mm options, or 40s for that matter. Would love to see (all hypothetical based on the respective lines) a 28/2 DN, 28/2 APO-Lanthar, 40/1.4 GM/DN, 40/1.8 G, etc. I think it's also a shame the main module on phones is now trending towards 24mm (or wider) when it used to be like ~30mm.
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Probably not the thread for it but... I love my 35GM, and it's the one lens I basically never leave behind when I travel, one of the best compliments I've heard and have echo'd about it is that it's perfectly boring. When a shot doesn't come out how you want with it, it'll be on you. It's very good in a lot of ways, with few flaws beyond the massive focus breathing (only relevant for video), and it hasn't really been eclipsed by anyone since it came out.
The RF 35/1.4 for instance is pricier and relies much more of software corrections without any net gain in size/weight or other optical qualities. The Z 35/1.4 isn't even in the same level (nor is it meant to be). Something like the Sigma 35/1.2 has a slight rendering advantage, but at what cost. I find the flare resistance on the GM particularly impressive, even vs that Sigma (or the f1.4 DN, and it's still lighter/smaller than that one). MFD is also shorter than on most other 35s.
I swapped the perfectly nice stock hood for a rectangular Haoge with a push on cap and that improved the handling for me, I just like push on caps but not having to ever reverse the hood for use and having a slimmer diameter in the bag are both practical advantages. All that being said, I do occasionally opt for some smaller 45-50mm options for reasons I described above, either I want a more inconspicuous kit or I wanna be more inconspicuous to subjects myself.
So sometimes I'll bring a smaller 45/1.8 or 50/1.4 to have on hand in case I wanna leave the 35GM at the hotel or wherever I'm staying, it's small and light for what it is but it's still not a tiny lens. The 40/2.5 G is a better bet if you want that.
Impulses
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That's fair, but 50mm also gets you 75mm in a crop, so it just becomes a game of how much you're willing to crop... A 2x crop on a high res body with a 35mm lens can still be ~15MP, tho of course you're then at a 2x equivalency for DoF and light gathering (so 70/2.8 if you started with a 35/1.4).
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Yes, very much looking forward to a review from them.Yeah that Nokton looks intriguing, I'm curious to see to what degree CV adjusted it for E mount, hopefully PhillipReeve can get a sample in for review.It’s a real shame there aren’t more 28s. I am tempted by the by the body cap, but F4.5 is a bit thin for me in a fixed aperture. I’d love a dg dn. I’m also very tempted by the Voigtlander 1.5.Interesting I like 35mm as a general purpose FL because it's that in betweener, although I probably would prefer 40mm, I've shot both enough to find them interchangeable but I can see how others wouldn't... Whereas I've grown to love 50mm for some specific purposes, ie when shooting more people than places, when I want more or the same degree of DoF control in a smaller package (than my 35GM), etc.
Like I said in my other comment I swear I'm team 35mm but maybe I'm fooling myself cause on E mount I now have 1 28mm (body cap), 1 35mm, 1 45mm, and 2x (manual) 50mm... Maybe I just have a problem.
I never take two of those out at the same time though, except for 28 + 45/50. It's a shame we don't have more great 28mm options, or 40s for that matter. Would love to see (all hypothetical based on the respective lines) a 28/2 DN, 28/2 APO-Lanthar, 40/1.4 GM/DN, 40/1.8 G, etc. I think it's also a shame the main module on phones is now trending towards 24mm (or wider) when it used to be like ~30mm.
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Also stitching is a thing so it’s not quite right to say you can’t do it the other way around.
Yes, I did try to copy and repost it after finishing, but the site would not let me delete it on this thread. A 5 min lock out it seems. I digress.
Thanks for your notes. After pretty thoroughly researching the lenses I mentioned I think a new lens should be the 35 GM F1.4, But also I should get the 85 GM F1.4. Swallowing that cost is a big gulp and it's heavy. A step up to the 85 GMII is a bigger gulp, though a slight reprieve on weight. I can use the Minolta 85 G 1.4 and an LA-EA 5 for now. And then pass on the 50 GM F1.4. I am going to be more comfortable shooting portraits and other single type close objects with the 85mm. Coming from the same 85mm length on the 77AII, a crop camera with the Minolta 85 G, shooting 85mm on the full frame A7IV will seem different enough for those subjects. The 35 GM seems to be the choice on street and architectural travel. This will be a totally new experience. Thanks.
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Impulses
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Heh, that's probably my fault, sorry. Once comments are replied to DPR locks them down. It's an old forum with a lot of quirks that aren't like most other boards...
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I'm quickly becoming team 65. Waa always historically team 40mm
James Stirling
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If I had to chose between a 35mm and 50mm it would be the 35mm
Team "14-35-85-135"
Of course i shoot with other focal length too when need, just saying for prime lens, I select mine very carefully, especially when I am going out, I am not bringing 10 different primes but 3-4 max based on what I am going to shoot, if I am heading out for a Milky Way night in the mountain, I probably only have 14, 20, 35mm..... if I am heading out for a Airshow, it will probably a 300 + 500/600...... if I am heading out for a walk in a city, probably i will have a 20, 35 85 in my bag.....if I am heading out for a formal portrait session, I normally will have a 35-85-135.....
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JpGomez
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Shot exclusively with only Sony ZA 55/1.8 lens for about 3 yrs. I liked the images I got from it, I believe it was the MFD not the focal length ultimately let me have a try and stick with FE35/1.8. Unloaded the 55 to pair the 35 with FE85/1.8.
Bought back the 55/1.8 because it has a special place in my heart.. and sold it again to fund 35GM.
4 of 5 lens I own has 35mm (35/1.4, 35/2.8, 20-40 & 35-150) , except ofcourse the 200-600.
Therefore I can say I prefer 35 FOV than 50.
Yet again, the 50GM 1.4 is making me itch to try it. Tough decisions.
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Lukacs85
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It's a still undecided question for me when I'm thinking about minimising my gear, or I'd like to get Sigma BF and what lens I get first.
I view last year's statistic in LR and I took 80% of shots with 35 and 50mm, and almost 50-50% rate. I like the 35GM because of more versatile focal length, and the 50 1.2GM because of unmatched image rendering, even stopped down. But by time I more and more adopted to 50mm FOV, and go out with 50GM despite the larger volume. However there are situations when I prefer to have the 35GM, because of wider FOV or a smaller size.
The problem you are not able to simplify lens decision only to focal length. Every lens has a different size, different weight, balance on camera, and the optical performance, character of course. The overall rendering, bokeh, sharpness, colours, etc. I'd use only my Voigtlander 65 APO's odd focal length if I wouldn't have high quality, pleasing 35 and 50mm lens, or I can adapt to a 28mm lens in nice size, built quality and 50GM like rendering in no time.
So the focal length is less important factor most think, there are no perfect or do everything one. In time I also think important to change your preferred focal length to keep working out your creativity, see in different aspect, composing a different way. On top of size/iq this is why I prefer prime lenses.
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