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Lbs26 said:

boldcolors said:

Lbs26 said:

boldcolors said:

drsnoopy said:

boldcolors said:

drsnoopy said:

Lbs26 said:

Hi folks !Long story short...i was a Canon user since when i started in photography,10 years ago..i started with 1200d,70d,6d,Eos R...then i moved to Pentax K1,and it is the best overall camera that i have used in my experience(as landscape photographer).

But the problem now is that i have very strong nostalgia and i crave again for the typical ''Canon colors''...i wish i had them in my K1,anyway...since i already used 6d in the past,i do not want again another 6d,i am confused what to buy between 5d mark iii,6d mark ii or 5dsr.I know that this 3 cameras have the magic from the good old days,not sure about 6d mark ii ?!Main concern is which one of those will have the best colors straight out of it,i want to use only DPP and then export in TIFF and the in Photoshop final small retouch(sharpness,resize,exposure blend etc.).

If anybody perhaps have used 5d mark iii and 6d mark ii or 5dsr and can share some thought about the color science it will be great !

Thank you !

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Are you shooting RAW with your K1? If so, you should be able to adjust your colour settings to pretty much anything you like, in your RAW conversion software The concept of “Canon colours”, “Sony colours” etc really only applies to JPEGs and of course the RAW preview, which is itself a jpeg.

You might save a lot of money and hassle by exploring what you can achieve in software. Give DXO Photolab a try - hundreds of colour settings available in the camera body selection menu. Free trial available, also DXO PureRaw.

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Well, yes and no. The "No" part: A sensor and its filters (and in Canons case the DIGIC image processor) also leave a specific footprint in the RAW file. Some models not so much, others (espeically old ones) a LOT. The sensor in itself is of course color blind but not the camera processor that is dealing with what the sensor has "seen". My old 30D vs R7 for example. Using same target and light, same lens, same software, same camera profile, same WB...and they will still look different no matter what. So yes, a brand "house color" can also there in RAW.

Now the "yes" part. In RAW you can tweak your files to infinity. But that is a different topic. If one really likes the old Canon output it's not just about tweaking a RAW file. You need to go deeper. You can probably get quite close if you know what you are doing (that would require custom profiles and/or LUTs) but there is reason each brand has their own colorists working hard to get the color look they want.

Also, if it was that easy in post people wouldn't go haywire about the old 5D "Classic"

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Clearly you have your own experience and interpretation of the “color behaviours” of the older Canon camera bodies versus the newer ones. But my experience is different. I have owned and used most Canon dSLRs from the original 300D and various xxD and xxxD models, all the 5D versions, the 7D and 6Dii, then more recently the R, RP, R5, R7, R8. (No 1D bodies) I do not see significant differences in the colour output that make any one body or range superior or inferior to the others. For the past 15+ years I have used various iterations of DXO’s RAW converters, this may explain why I have found consistency across the various camera bodies.

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Yes, DXO strips most RAW files to their bone and apply their own color science instead of brand profiles. Usually a good thing if you want consistency and of course like DXOs way of handling colors. Personally I don't.

If you really like the old Canon look that is not an option at all. Most use DPP or Lightroom where you have Canons very own color profiles matched.

I have worked with/used 450D, 30D, 40D, 50D, 60D, 70D, 7D, 7D2,1D3, 1Ds3, 5D, 5D2, 6D, 6D2, R, RP, R6, R7, R8. The Canon color science is NOT the same.

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What is your personal favorite models about great color ?I am talking about the 5dii 5diii 5dsr,6d,6d mark ii era...maybe i should take consideration about 5d mark ii,they are pretty cheap now days,someone says it has cartoony colors,someone else says it has most beautiful colors...i read different opinions.I remember once tried a Raw file from 1ds mark iii,i was just amazed...man i was instantly in love with its rendering and output.

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Of those I would probably say the original 6D for colors if you can live with the old AF. The 6D is particulary good in overcast weather. The files get a very warm and bronzy organic look. I almost destroyed my 6D back in 2014 when I took it for a spin on the streets of Manhattan. It was raining like crazy and when I got back to the hotel the 6D was dead. Put it in the closet for two days and then it was fine . Not weather resistant for sure.

The 1Ds3 has glorious files, even better than 6D. But it is old and clunky and the screen is quite poor. But the files...super! One of the best

The 5D2 is a bit tricky. It can look absolutely amazing but it can also get a bit oversaturated or "cartoony" as you mention. It depends on the scene and available light and sometimes the sensor CFA gets into trouble. But overall it renders great with a lot of warm red. Still classic Canon colors.

After 6D I would probably go for 6D2 or 5DSR. Skip the 5D4 - I never really made my peace with its colors.

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I noticed one interesting thing today,i downloaded from Dpreview studio 1 raw file from the original 5d classic,1 from 5d mark iii and 1 from 6d mark ii,all imported in DPP all white balance,6d mark ii looks very similar more to 5d classic and different from 5d mark iii,which i good i think !I look at this color wheels and the color from 5d mark iii are alot more saturated similar which you find in 6d and 5d mark ii,but 5d classic the colors from orange to green are more muted and less saturated the same story is in 6d mark ii,thats very nice !

Left is 5d classic and right is 6d mark ii.

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boldcolors said:

drsnoopy said:

boldcolors said:

drsnoopy said:

Lbs26 said:

Hi folks !Long story short...i was a Canon user since when i started in photography,10 years ago..i started with 1200d,70d,6d,Eos R...then i moved to Pentax K1,and it is the best overall camera that i have used in my experience(as landscape photographer).

But the problem now is that i have very strong nostalgia and i crave again for the typical ''Canon colors''...i wish i had them in my K1,anyway...since i already used 6d in the past,i do not want again another 6d,i am confused what to buy between 5d mark iii,6d mark ii or 5dsr.I know that this 3 cameras have the magic from the good old days,not sure about 6d mark ii ?!Main concern is which one of those will have the best colors straight out of it,i want to use only DPP and then export in TIFF and the in Photoshop final small retouch(sharpness,resize,exposure blend etc.).

If anybody perhaps have used 5d mark iii and 6d mark ii or 5dsr and can share some thought about the color science it will be great !

Thank you !

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Are you shooting RAW with your K1? If so, you should be able to adjust your colour settings to pretty much anything you like, in your RAW conversion software The concept of “Canon colours”, “Sony colours” etc really only applies to JPEGs and of course the RAW preview, which is itself a jpeg.

You might save a lot of money and hassle by exploring what you can achieve in software. Give DXO Photolab a try - hundreds of colour settings available in the camera body selection menu. Free trial available, also DXO PureRaw.

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Well, yes and no. The "No" part: A sensor and its filters (and in Canons case the DIGIC image processor) also leave a specific footprint in the RAW file. Some models not so much, others (espeically old ones) a LOT. The sensor in itself is of course color blind but not the camera processor that is dealing with what the sensor has "seen". My old 30D vs R7 for example. Using same target and light, same lens, same software, same camera profile, same WB...and they will still look different no matter what. So yes, a brand "house color" can also there in RAW.

Now the "yes" part. In RAW you can tweak your files to infinity. But that is a different topic. If one really likes the old Canon output it's not just about tweaking a RAW file. You need to go deeper. You can probably get quite close if you know what you are doing (that would require custom profiles and/or LUTs) but there is reason each brand has their own colorists working hard to get the color look they want.

Also, if it was that easy in post people wouldn't go haywire about the old 5D "Classic"

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Clearly you have your own experience and interpretation of the “color behaviours” of the older Canon camera bodies versus the newer ones. But my experience is different. I have owned and used most Canon dSLRs from the original 300D and various xxD and xxxD models, all the 5D versions, the 7D and 6Dii, then more recently the R, RP, R5, R7, R8. (No 1D bodies) I do not see significant differences in the colour output that make any one body or range superior or inferior to the others. For the past 15+ years I have used various iterations of DXO’s RAW converters, this may explain why I have found consistency across the various camera bodies.

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Yes, DXO strips most RAW files to their bone and apply their own color science instead of brand profiles. Usually a good thing if you want consistency and of course like DXOs way of handling colors. Personally I don't.

If you really like the old Canon look that is not an option at all. Most use DPP or Lightroom where you have Canons very own color profiles matched.

I have worked with/used 450D, 30D, 40D, 50D, 60D, 70D, 7D, 7D2,1D3, 1Ds3, 5D, 5D2, 6D, 6D2, R, RP, R6, R7, R8. The Canon color science is NOT the same.

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boldcolors said:

Lbs26 said:

boldcolors said:

Lbs26 said:

boldcolors said:

drsnoopy said:

boldcolors said:

drsnoopy said:

Lbs26 said:

Hi folks !Long story short...i was a Canon user since when i started in photography,10 years ago..i started with 1200d,70d,6d,Eos R...then i moved to Pentax K1,and it is the best overall camera that i have used in my experience(as landscape photographer).

But the problem now is that i have very strong nostalgia and i crave again for the typical ''Canon colors''...i wish i had them in my K1,anyway...since i already used 6d in the past,i do not want again another 6d,i am confused what to buy between 5d mark iii,6d mark ii or 5dsr.I know that this 3 cameras have the magic from the good old days,not sure about 6d mark ii ?!Main concern is which one of those will have the best colors straight out of it,i want to use only DPP and then export in TIFF and the in Photoshop final small retouch(sharpness,resize,exposure blend etc.).

If anybody perhaps have used 5d mark iii and 6d mark ii or 5dsr and can share some thought about the color science it will be great !

Thank you !

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Are you shooting RAW with your K1? If so, you should be able to adjust your colour settings to pretty much anything you like, in your RAW conversion software The concept of “Canon colours”, “Sony colours” etc really only applies to JPEGs and of course the RAW preview, which is itself a jpeg.

You might save a lot of money and hassle by exploring what you can achieve in software. Give DXO Photolab a try - hundreds of colour settings available in the camera body selection menu. Free trial available, also DXO PureRaw.

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Well, yes and no. The "No" part: A sensor and its filters (and in Canons case the DIGIC image processor) also leave a specific footprint in the RAW file. Some models not so much, others (espeically old ones) a LOT. The sensor in itself is of course color blind but not the camera processor that is dealing with what the sensor has "seen". My old 30D vs R7 for example. Using same target and light, same lens, same software, same camera profile, same WB...and they will still look different no matter what. So yes, a brand "house color" can also there in RAW.

Now the "yes" part. In RAW you can tweak your files to infinity. But that is a different topic. If one really likes the old Canon output it's not just about tweaking a RAW file. You need to go deeper. You can probably get quite close if you know what you are doing (that would require custom profiles and/or LUTs) but there is reason each brand has their own colorists working hard to get the color look they want.

Also, if it was that easy in post people wouldn't go haywire about the old 5D "Classic"

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Clearly you have your own experience and interpretation of the “color behaviours” of the older Canon camera bodies versus the newer ones. But my experience is different. I have owned and used most Canon dSLRs from the original 300D and various xxD and xxxD models, all the 5D versions, the 7D and 6Dii, then more recently the R, RP, R5, R7, R8. (No 1D bodies) I do not see significant differences in the colour output that make any one body or range superior or inferior to the others. For the past 15+ years I have used various iterations of DXO’s RAW converters, this may explain why I have found consistency across the various camera bodies.

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Yes, DXO strips most RAW files to their bone and apply their own color science instead of brand profiles. Usually a good thing if you want consistency and of course like DXOs way of handling colors. Personally I don't.

If you really like the old Canon look that is not an option at all. Most use DPP or Lightroom where you have Canons very own color profiles matched.

I have worked with/used 450D, 30D, 40D, 50D, 60D, 70D, 7D, 7D2,1D3, 1Ds3, 5D, 5D2, 6D, 6D2, R, RP, R6, R7, R8. The Canon color science is NOT the same.

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What is your personal favorite models about great color ?I am talking about the 5dii 5diii 5dsr,6d,6d mark ii era...maybe i should take consideration about 5d mark ii,they are pretty cheap now days,someone says it has cartoony colors,someone else says it has most beautiful colors...i read different opinions.I remember once tried a Raw file from 1ds mark iii,i was just amazed...man i was instantly in love with its rendering and output.

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Of those I would probably say the original 6D for colors if you can live with the old AF. The 6D is particulary good in overcast weather. The files get a very warm and bronzy organic look. I almost destroyed my 6D back in 2014 when I took it for a spin on the streets of Manhattan. It was raining like crazy and when I got back to the hotel the 6D was dead. Put it in the closet for two days and then it was fine . Not weather resistant for sure.

The 1Ds3 has glorious files, even better than 6D. But it is old and clunky and the screen is quite poor. But the files...super! One of the best

The 5D2 is a bit tricky. It can look absolutely amazing but it can also get a bit oversaturated or "cartoony" as you mention. It depends on the scene and available light and sometimes the sensor CFA gets into trouble. But overall it renders great with a lot of warm red. Still classic Canon colors.

After 6D I would probably go for 6D2 or 5DSR. Skip the 5D4 - I never really made my peace with its colors.

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I noticed one interesting thing today,i downloaded from Dpreview studio 1 raw file from the original 5d classic,1 from 5d mark iii and 1 from 6d mark ii,all imported in DPP all white balance,6d mark ii looks very similar more to 5d classic and different from 5d mark iii,which i good i think !I look at this color wheels and the color from 5d mark iii are alot more saturated similar which you find in 6d and 5d mark ii,but 5d classic the colors from orange to green are more muted and less saturated the same story is in 6d mark ii,thats very nice !

Left is 5d classic and right is 6d mark ii.

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The problem with color targets like this is that they are done in perfectly balanced daylight (I guess?) so the difference between models is less obvious. The original 5D had a CFA that really worked well in any light if you ask me. Especially in daylight. So while the 6D2 and 5D might be similar in some scenarios the difference could be much bigger "out in the field".

That said - the 6D2 does indeed paint a great picture with good color balance and the right amount of saturation. The original 6D in daylight can - as you mentioned - appear a bit saturated with Canons profiles and I am not crazy about how it renders blues and purples. But overall a great contender. And of course, with a different profile it's a different story.

Interesting. I haven't used 6D2 for many years so I might rebuy it again. In studio a DSLR is still king.

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boldcolors said:

Alastair Norcross said:

And yet none so far. I have learned over the years that people who talk about 'special colors' produced by some cameras (or sensors), rather than others, are true believers, who won't be persuaded by appeals to facts, so it's best just to let them believe that they can only get the colors they want from certain sensors. After all, if they're happy with their equipment, that's all that matters. This is just a fun hobby for most of us here.

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Then I guess one can make an R8 look just like the old Canon 5D. Could you perhaps share how this could be achieved? There are thousands of hardcore 5D fans who would like to know

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boldcolors said:

John Crowe said:

I noticed no difference in colour from the 10D, 1Ds, 5D II, to 5DSR, and 90D. Canon is known for having maintained their colour science through out their DSLRs.

I have heard grumblings that it changed to RF and one reply said that it changed after the 5DSR which was their second last camera, so perhaps a change was made.

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I'd say they have maintained A color science but not the same. There is a huge difference between a 30D and 90D for example. Whether someone can actually see this (or care) is a different topic of course.

Color perception is quite complex, let alone personal so it is often very difficult to discuss. What annoys me though is when people comfortably claim "it's RAW, you can get any color you want". ESPECIALLY when someone is pointing out a specific look from older generations. Then it's not about dialing in a look you're OK with. That takes some serious serious colorist skills. I've raised this topic with Canon devs several times and even they say it's difficult when a file is produced by a different DIGIC generation.

Canon does not have any obvious color matching in their lens lineup either. They try of course and some are close (typically L glass from the same generation) but more often than not a lens has its own character. Some can be warm, others cold. Some are pinkish or magenta and some are more towards green.

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drsnoopy said:

boldcolors said:

drsnoopy said:

boldcolors said:

drsnoopy said:

Lbs26 said:

Hi folks !Long story short...i was a Canon user since when i started in photography,10 years ago..i started with 1200d,70d,6d,Eos R...then i moved to Pentax K1,and it is the best overall camera that i have used in my experience(as landscape photographer).

But the problem now is that i have very strong nostalgia and i crave again for the typical ''Canon colors''...i wish i had them in my K1,anyway...since i already used 6d in the past,i do not want again another 6d,i am confused what to buy between 5d mark iii,6d mark ii or 5dsr.I know that this 3 cameras have the magic from the good old days,not sure about 6d mark ii ?!Main concern is which one of those will have the best colors straight out of it,i want to use only DPP and then export in TIFF and the in Photoshop final small retouch(sharpness,resize,exposure blend etc.).

If anybody perhaps have used 5d mark iii and 6d mark ii or 5dsr and can share some thought about the color science it will be great !

Thank you !

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Are you shooting RAW with your K1? If so, you should be able to adjust your colour settings to pretty much anything you like, in your RAW conversion software The concept of “Canon colours”, “Sony colours” etc really only applies to JPEGs and of course the RAW preview, which is itself a jpeg.

You might save a lot of money and hassle by exploring what you can achieve in software. Give DXO Photolab a try - hundreds of colour settings available in the camera body selection menu. Free trial available, also DXO PureRaw.

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Well, yes and no. The "No" part: A sensor and its filters (and in Canons case the DIGIC image processor) also leave a specific footprint in the RAW file. Some models not so much, others (espeically old ones) a LOT. The sensor in itself is of course color blind but not the camera processor that is dealing with what the sensor has "seen". My old 30D vs R7 for example. Using same target and light, same lens, same software, same camera profile, same WB...and they will still look different no matter what. So yes, a brand "house color" can also there in RAW.

Now the "yes" part. In RAW you can tweak your files to infinity. But that is a different topic. If one really likes the old Canon output it's not just about tweaking a RAW file. You need to go deeper. You can probably get quite close if you know what you are doing (that would require custom profiles and/or LUTs) but there is reason each brand has their own colorists working hard to get the color look they want.

Also, if it was that easy in post people wouldn't go haywire about the old 5D "Classic"

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Clearly you have your own experience and interpretation of the “color behaviours” of the older Canon camera bodies versus the newer ones. But my experience is different. I have owned and used most Canon dSLRs from the original 300D and various xxD and xxxD models, all the 5D versions, the 7D and 6Dii, then more recently the R, RP, R5, R7, R8. (No 1D bodies) I do not see significant differences in the colour output that make any one body or range superior or inferior to the others. For the past 15+ years I have used various iterations of DXO’s RAW converters, this may explain why I have found consistency across the various camera bodies.

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Yes, DXO strips most RAW files to their bone and apply their own color science instead of brand profiles. Usually a good thing if you want consistency and of course like DXOs way of handling colors. Personally I don't.

If you really like the old Canon look that is not an option at all. Most use DPP or Lightroom where you have Canons very own color profiles matched.

I have worked with/used 450D, 30D, 40D, 50D, 60D, 70D, 7D, 7D2,1D3, 1Ds3, 5D, 5D2, 6D, 6D2, R, RP, R6, R7, R8. The Canon color science is NOT the same.

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What is it that is so appealing about the “old” Canon colors? Genuine question. Perhaps you have a specific use.

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drsnoopy said:

boldcolors said:

John Crowe said:

I noticed no difference in colour from the 10D, 1Ds, 5D II, to 5DSR, and 90D. Canon is known for having maintained their colour science through out their DSLRs.

I have heard grumblings that it changed to RF and one reply said that it changed after the 5DSR which was their second last camera, so perhaps a change was made.

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I'd say they have maintained A color science but not the same. There is a huge difference between a 30D and 90D for example. Whether someone can actually see this (or care) is a different topic of course.

Color perception is quite complex, let alone personal so it is often very difficult to discuss. What annoys me though is when people comfortably claim "it's RAW, you can get any color you want". ESPECIALLY when someone is pointing out a specific look from older generations. Then it's not about dialing in a look you're OK with. That takes some serious serious colorist skills. I've raised this topic with Canon devs several times and even they say it's difficult when a file is produced by a different DIGIC generation.

Canon does not have any obvious color matching in their lens lineup either. They try of course and some are close (typically L glass from the same generation) but more often than not a lens has its own character. Some can be warm, others cold. Some are pinkish or magenta and some are more towards green.

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The word I would take issue with is “Science”. It implies that there is some verifiable accuracy and/or consistency to the colour rendition of a whole brand (Canon in this case), or a generation of sensors within a brand. As many of the posts above indicate, the colour rendition of different bodies appears to be variable, dependent on sensor and processor technology, overlaid with subjective likes or dislikes, plus the vagaries of different glass, different RAW converters and camera profiles. Some (maybe not here) fail to distinguish between RAW or JPEG output, and the in-camera settings that can heavily influence output, when discussing colour rendition.

Whatever it is, it’s not “Science”. It’s highly subjective. We are all free to choose what we like, but ultimately these discussions lead nowhere.

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boldcolors said:

drsnoopy said:

boldcolors said:

John Crowe said:

I noticed no difference in colour from the 10D, 1Ds, 5D II, to 5DSR, and 90D. Canon is known for having maintained their colour science through out their DSLRs.

I have heard grumblings that it changed to RF and one reply said that it changed after the 5DSR which was their second last camera, so perhaps a change was made.

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I'd say they have maintained A color science but not the same. There is a huge difference between a 30D and 90D for example. Whether someone can actually see this (or care) is a different topic of course.

Color perception is quite complex, let alone personal so it is often very difficult to discuss. What annoys me though is when people comfortably claim "it's RAW, you can get any color you want". ESPECIALLY when someone is pointing out a specific look from older generations. Then it's not about dialing in a look you're OK with. That takes some serious serious colorist skills. I've raised this topic with Canon devs several times and even they say it's difficult when a file is produced by a different DIGIC generation.

Canon does not have any obvious color matching in their lens lineup either. They try of course and some are close (typically L glass from the same generation) but more often than not a lens has its own character. Some can be warm, others cold. Some are pinkish or magenta and some are more towards green.

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The word I would take issue with is “Science”. It implies that there is some verifiable accuracy and/or consistency to the colour rendition of a whole brand (Canon in this case), or a generation of sensors within a brand. As many of the posts above indicate, the colour rendition of different bodies appears to be variable, dependent on sensor and processor technology, overlaid with subjective likes or dislikes, plus the vagaries of different glass, different RAW converters and camera profiles. Some (maybe not here) fail to distinguish between RAW or JPEG output, and the in-camera settings that can heavily influence output, when discussing colour rendition.

Whatever it is, it’s not “Science”. It’s highly subjective. We are all free to choose what we like, but ultimately these discussions lead nowhere.

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I know some have issues with that word. Never understood why. Camera makers invest a LOT in creating the right signature look. It's not just about measuring a color patch and make sure the camera renders it accurately according to an ISO standard. Most cameras try to achieve a combination of "eye pleasing" and "accurate" and this is the main reason many brands might look different. They have different approaches to what "looks good".

Make no mistake, they have teams working with only this. When Konica Minolta designed their first DSLR an entire filmteam from Konica worked specifically on the sensor CFA to get the right look in order to convince film photographers.

Phase One has spent millions designing their Trichromatic sensor system.

https://www.phaseone.com/inspiration/true-color-extreme-details-with-the-trichromatic-camera-system/

Was it just a waste of time and money if it can be dialed in post?

So yeah, I will continue calling it color science.

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drsnoopy said:

boldcolors said:

drsnoopy said:

boldcolors said:

John Crowe said:

I noticed no difference in colour from the 10D, 1Ds, 5D II, to 5DSR, and 90D. Canon is known for having maintained their colour science through out their DSLRs.

I have heard grumblings that it changed to RF and one reply said that it changed after the 5DSR which was their second last camera, so perhaps a change was made.

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I'd say they have maintained A color science but not the same. There is a huge difference between a 30D and 90D for example. Whether someone can actually see this (or care) is a different topic of course.

Color perception is quite complex, let alone personal so it is often very difficult to discuss. What annoys me though is when people comfortably claim "it's RAW, you can get any color you want". ESPECIALLY when someone is pointing out a specific look from older generations. Then it's not about dialing in a look you're OK with. That takes some serious serious colorist skills. I've raised this topic with Canon devs several times and even they say it's difficult when a file is produced by a different DIGIC generation.

Canon does not have any obvious color matching in their lens lineup either. They try of course and some are close (typically L glass from the same generation) but more often than not a lens has its own character. Some can be warm, others cold. Some are pinkish or magenta and some are more towards green.

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The word I would take issue with is “Science”. It implies that there is some verifiable accuracy and/or consistency to the colour rendition of a whole brand (Canon in this case), or a generation of sensors within a brand. As many of the posts above indicate, the colour rendition of different bodies appears to be variable, dependent on sensor and processor technology, overlaid with subjective likes or dislikes, plus the vagaries of different glass, different RAW converters and camera profiles. Some (maybe not here) fail to distinguish between RAW or JPEG output, and the in-camera settings that can heavily influence output, when discussing colour rendition.

Whatever it is, it’s not “Science”. It’s highly subjective. We are all free to choose what we like, but ultimately these discussions lead nowhere.

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I know some have issues with that word. Never understood why. Camera makers invest a LOT in creating the right signature look. It's not just about measuring a color patch and make sure the camera renders it accurately according to an ISO standard. Most cameras try to achieve a combination of "eye pleasing" and "accurate" and this is the main reason many brands might look different. They have different approaches to what "looks good".

Make no mistake, they have teams working with only this. When Konica Minolta designed their first DSLR an entire filmteam from Konica worked specifically on the sensor CFA to get the right look in order to convince film photographers.

Phase One has spent millions designing their Trichromatic sensor system.

https://www.phaseone.com/inspiration/true-color-extreme-details-with-the-trichromatic-camera-system/

Was it just a waste of time and money if it can be dialed in post?

So yeah, I will continue calling it color science.

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Call it colour technology. Then we can all be happy. But clearly from your own experience, Canon have failed to achieve a “signature look” that is consistent. So can hardly be called “science”.

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Lbs26 said:

boldcolors said:

Lbs26 said:

boldcolors said:

Lbs26 said:

boldcolors said:

drsnoopy said:

boldcolors said:

drsnoopy said:

Lbs26 said:

Hi folks !Long story short...i was a Canon user since when i started in photography,10 years ago..i started with 1200d,70d,6d,Eos R...then i moved to Pentax K1,and it is the best overall camera that i have used in my experience(as landscape photographer).

But the problem now is that i have very strong nostalgia and i crave again for the typical ''Canon colors''...i wish i had them in my K1,anyway...since i already used 6d in the past,i do not want again another 6d,i am confused what to buy between 5d mark iii,6d mark ii or 5dsr.I know that this 3 cameras have the magic from the good old days,not sure about 6d mark ii ?!Main concern is which one of those will have the best colors straight out of it,i want to use only DPP and then export in TIFF and the in Photoshop final small retouch(sharpness,resize,exposure blend etc.).

If anybody perhaps have used 5d mark iii and 6d mark ii or 5dsr and can share some thought about the color science it will be great !

Thank you !

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Are you shooting RAW with your K1? If so, you should be able to adjust your colour settings to pretty much anything you like, in your RAW conversion software The concept of “Canon colours”, “Sony colours” etc really only applies to JPEGs and of course the RAW preview, which is itself a jpeg.

You might save a lot of money and hassle by exploring what you can achieve in software. Give DXO Photolab a try - hundreds of colour settings available in the camera body selection menu. Free trial available, also DXO PureRaw.

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Well, yes and no. The "No" part: A sensor and its filters (and in Canons case the DIGIC image processor) also leave a specific footprint in the RAW file. Some models not so much, others (espeically old ones) a LOT. The sensor in itself is of course color blind but not the camera processor that is dealing with what the sensor has "seen". My old 30D vs R7 for example. Using same target and light, same lens, same software, same camera profile, same WB...and they will still look different no matter what. So yes, a brand "house color" can also there in RAW.

Now the "yes" part. In RAW you can tweak your files to infinity. But that is a different topic. If one really likes the old Canon output it's not just about tweaking a RAW file. You need to go deeper. You can probably get quite close if you know what you are doing (that would require custom profiles and/or LUTs) but there is reason each brand has their own colorists working hard to get the color look they want.

Also, if it was that easy in post people wouldn't go haywire about the old 5D "Classic"

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Clearly you have your own experience and interpretation of the “color behaviours” of the older Canon camera bodies versus the newer ones. But my experience is different. I have owned and used most Canon dSLRs from the original 300D and various xxD and xxxD models, all the 5D versions, the 7D and 6Dii, then more recently the R, RP, R5, R7, R8. (No 1D bodies) I do not see significant differences in the colour output that make any one body or range superior or inferior to the others. For the past 15+ years I have used various iterations of DXO’s RAW converters, this may explain why I have found consistency across the various camera bodies.

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Yes, DXO strips most RAW files to their bone and apply their own color science instead of brand profiles. Usually a good thing if you want consistency and of course like DXOs way of handling colors. Personally I don't.

If you really like the old Canon look that is not an option at all. Most use DPP or Lightroom where you have Canons very own color profiles matched.

I have worked with/used 450D, 30D, 40D, 50D, 60D, 70D, 7D, 7D2,1D3, 1Ds3, 5D, 5D2, 6D, 6D2, R, RP, R6, R7, R8. The Canon color science is NOT the same.

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What is your personal favorite models about great color ?I am talking about the 5dii 5diii 5dsr,6d,6d mark ii era...maybe i should take consideration about 5d mark ii,they are pretty cheap now days,someone says it has cartoony colors,someone else says it has most beautiful colors...i read different opinions.I remember once tried a Raw file from 1ds mark iii,i was just amazed...man i was instantly in love with its rendering and output.

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Of those I would probably say the original 6D for colors if you can live with the old AF. The 6D is particulary good in overcast weather. The files get a very warm and bronzy organic look. I almost destroyed my 6D back in 2014 when I took it for a spin on the streets of Manhattan. It was raining like crazy and when I got back to the hotel the 6D was dead. Put it in the closet for two days and then it was fine . Not weather resistant for sure.

The 1Ds3 has glorious files, even better than 6D. But it is old and clunky and the screen is quite poor. But the files...super! One of the best

The 5D2 is a bit tricky. It can look absolutely amazing but it can also get a bit oversaturated or "cartoony" as you mention. It depends on the scene and available light and sometimes the sensor CFA gets into trouble. But overall it renders great with a lot of warm red. Still classic Canon colors.

After 6D I would probably go for 6D2 or 5DSR. Skip the 5D4 - I never really made my peace with its colors.

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I noticed one interesting thing today,i downloaded from Dpreview studio 1 raw file from the original 5d classic,1 from 5d mark iii and 1 from 6d mark ii,all imported in DPP all white balance,6d mark ii looks very similar more to 5d classic and different from 5d mark iii,which i good i think !I look at this color wheels and the color from 5d mark iii are alot more saturated similar which you find in 6d and 5d mark ii,but 5d classic the colors from orange to green are more muted and less saturated the same story is in 6d mark ii,thats very nice !

Left is 5d classic and right is 6d mark ii.

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The problem with color targets like this is that they are done in perfectly balanced daylight (I guess?) so the difference between models is less obvious. The original 5D had a CFA that really worked well in any light if you ask me. Especially in daylight. So while the 6D2 and 5D might be similar in some scenarios the difference could be much bigger "out in the field".

That said - the 6D2 does indeed paint a great picture with good color balance and the right amount of saturation. The original 6D in daylight can - as you mentioned - appear a bit saturated with Canons profiles and I am not crazy about how it renders blues and purples. But overall a great contender. And of course, with a different profile it's a different story.

Interesting. I haven't used 6D2 for many years so I might rebuy it again. In studio a DSLR is still king.

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Yes,blue and purples with 6d and 5d mark iii are more warm,but 6d mark ii blues are more like 5dsr...maybe 6d mark ii is mix ot 5dsr,1ds mark iii something in that direction which i like...also i like the warm magenta+slighly red tint in 6d mark ii.Maybe i will buy it soon...will see.

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Lbs26 said:

Lbs26 said:

boldcolors said:

Lbs26 said:

boldcolors said:

Lbs26 said:

boldcolors said:

drsnoopy said:

boldcolors said:

drsnoopy said:

Lbs26 said:

Hi folks !Long story short...i was a Canon user since when i started in photography,10 years ago..i started with 1200d,70d,6d,Eos R...then i moved to Pentax K1,and it is the best overall camera that i have used in my experience(as landscape photographer).

But the problem now is that i have very strong nostalgia and i crave again for the typical ''Canon colors''...i wish i had them in my K1,anyway...since i already used 6d in the past,i do not want again another 6d,i am confused what to buy between 5d mark iii,6d mark ii or 5dsr.I know that this 3 cameras have the magic from the good old days,not sure about 6d mark ii ?!Main concern is which one of those will have the best colors straight out of it,i want to use only DPP and then export in TIFF and the in Photoshop final small retouch(sharpness,resize,exposure blend etc.).

If anybody perhaps have used 5d mark iii and 6d mark ii or 5dsr and can share some thought about the color science it will be great !

Thank you !

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Are you shooting RAW with your K1? If so, you should be able to adjust your colour settings to pretty much anything you like, in your RAW conversion software The concept of “Canon colours”, “Sony colours” etc really only applies to JPEGs and of course the RAW preview, which is itself a jpeg.

You might save a lot of money and hassle by exploring what you can achieve in software. Give DXO Photolab a try - hundreds of colour settings available in the camera body selection menu. Free trial available, also DXO PureRaw.

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Well, yes and no. The "No" part: A sensor and its filters (and in Canons case the DIGIC image processor) also leave a specific footprint in the RAW file. Some models not so much, others (espeically old ones) a LOT. The sensor in itself is of course color blind but not the camera processor that is dealing with what the sensor has "seen". My old 30D vs R7 for example. Using same target and light, same lens, same software, same camera profile, same WB...and they will still look different no matter what. So yes, a brand "house color" can also there in RAW.

Now the "yes" part. In RAW you can tweak your files to infinity. But that is a different topic. If one really likes the old Canon output it's not just about tweaking a RAW file. You need to go deeper. You can probably get quite close if you know what you are doing (that would require custom profiles and/or LUTs) but there is reason each brand has their own colorists working hard to get the color look they want.

Also, if it was that easy in post people wouldn't go haywire about the old 5D "Classic"

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Clearly you have your own experience and interpretation of the “color behaviours” of the older Canon camera bodies versus the newer ones. But my experience is different. I have owned and used most Canon dSLRs from the original 300D and various xxD and xxxD models, all the 5D versions, the 7D and 6Dii, then more recently the R, RP, R5, R7, R8. (No 1D bodies) I do not see significant differences in the colour output that make any one body or range superior or inferior to the others. For the past 15+ years I have used various iterations of DXO’s RAW converters, this may explain why I have found consistency across the various camera bodies.

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Yes, DXO strips most RAW files to their bone and apply their own color science instead of brand profiles. Usually a good thing if you want consistency and of course like DXOs way of handling colors. Personally I don't.

If you really like the old Canon look that is not an option at all. Most use DPP or Lightroom where you have Canons very own color profiles matched.

I have worked with/used 450D, 30D, 40D, 50D, 60D, 70D, 7D, 7D2,1D3, 1Ds3, 5D, 5D2, 6D, 6D2, R, RP, R6, R7, R8. The Canon color science is NOT the same.

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What is your personal favorite models about great color ?I am talking about the 5dii 5diii 5dsr,6d,6d mark ii era...maybe i should take consideration about 5d mark ii,they are pretty cheap now days,someone says it has cartoony colors,someone else says it has most beautiful colors...i read different opinions.I remember once tried a Raw file from 1ds mark iii,i was just amazed...man i was instantly in love with its rendering and output.

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Of those I would probably say the original 6D for colors if you can live with the old AF. The 6D is particulary good in overcast weather. The files get a very warm and bronzy organic look. I almost destroyed my 6D back in 2014 when I took it for a spin on the streets of Manhattan. It was raining like crazy and when I got back to the hotel the 6D was dead. Put it in the closet for two days and then it was fine . Not weather resistant for sure.

The 1Ds3 has glorious files, even better than 6D. But it is old and clunky and the screen is quite poor. But the files...super! One of the best

The 5D2 is a bit tricky. It can look absolutely amazing but it can also get a bit oversaturated or "cartoony" as you mention. It depends on the scene and available light and sometimes the sensor CFA gets into trouble. But overall it renders great with a lot of warm red. Still classic Canon colors.

After 6D I would probably go for 6D2 or 5DSR. Skip the 5D4 - I never really made my peace with its colors.

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I noticed one interesting thing today,i downloaded from Dpreview studio 1 raw file from the original 5d classic,1 from 5d mark iii and 1 from 6d mark ii,all imported in DPP all white balance,6d mark ii looks very similar more to 5d classic and different from 5d mark iii,which i good i think !I look at this color wheels and the color from 5d mark iii are alot more saturated similar which you find in 6d and 5d mark ii,but 5d classic the colors from orange to green are more muted and less saturated the same story is in 6d mark ii,thats very nice !

Left is 5d classic and right is 6d mark ii.

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The problem with color targets like this is that they are done in perfectly balanced daylight (I guess?) so the difference between models is less obvious. The original 5D had a CFA that really worked well in any light if you ask me. Especially in daylight. So while the 6D2 and 5D might be similar in some scenarios the difference could be much bigger "out in the field".

That said - the 6D2 does indeed paint a great picture with good color balance and the right amount of saturation. The original 6D in daylight can - as you mentioned - appear a bit saturated with Canons profiles and I am not crazy about how it renders blues and purples. But overall a great contender. And of course, with a different profile it's a different story.

Interesting. I haven't used 6D2 for many years so I might rebuy it again. In studio a DSLR is still king.

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Yes,blue and purples with 6d and 5d mark iii are more warm,but 6d mark ii blues are more like 5dsr...maybe 6d mark ii is mix ot 5dsr,1ds mark iii something in that direction which i like...also i like the warm magenta+slighly red tint in 6d mark ii.Maybe i will buy it soon...will see.

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K1 with 30d dcp profile and slightly tweaked to be more consisten vs real 30d Canon...not bad i'd think ?

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boldcolors said:

Lbs26 said:

Lbs26 said:

boldcolors said:

Lbs26 said:

boldcolors said:

Lbs26 said:

boldcolors said:

drsnoopy said:

boldcolors said:

drsnoopy said:

Lbs26 said:

Hi folks !Long story short...i was a Canon user since when i started in photography,10 years ago..i started with 1200d,70d,6d,Eos R...then i moved to Pentax K1,and it is the best overall camera that i have used in my experience(as landscape photographer).

But the problem now is that i have very strong nostalgia and i crave again for the typical ''Canon colors''...i wish i had them in my K1,anyway...since i already used 6d in the past,i do not want again another 6d,i am confused what to buy between 5d mark iii,6d mark ii or 5dsr.I know that this 3 cameras have the magic from the good old days,not sure about 6d mark ii ?!Main concern is which one of those will have the best colors straight out of it,i want to use only DPP and then export in TIFF and the in Photoshop final small retouch(sharpness,resize,exposure blend etc.).

If anybody perhaps have used 5d mark iii and 6d mark ii or 5dsr and can share some thought about the color science it will be great !

Thank you !

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Are you shooting RAW with your K1? If so, you should be able to adjust your colour settings to pretty much anything you like, in your RAW conversion software The concept of “Canon colours”, “Sony colours” etc really only applies to JPEGs and of course the RAW preview, which is itself a jpeg.

You might save a lot of money and hassle by exploring what you can achieve in software. Give DXO Photolab a try - hundreds of colour settings available in the camera body selection menu. Free trial available, also DXO PureRaw.

Click to expand...

Well, yes and no. The "No" part: A sensor and its filters (and in Canons case the DIGIC image processor) also leave a specific footprint in the RAW file. Some models not so much, others (espeically old ones) a LOT. The sensor in itself is of course color blind but not the camera processor that is dealing with what the sensor has "seen". My old 30D vs R7 for example. Using same target and light, same lens, same software, same camera profile, same WB...and they will still look different no matter what. So yes, a brand "house color" can also there in RAW.

Now the "yes" part. In RAW you can tweak your files to infinity. But that is a different topic. If one really likes the old Canon output it's not just about tweaking a RAW file. You need to go deeper. You can probably get quite close if you know what you are doing (that would require custom profiles and/or LUTs) but there is reason each brand has their own colorists working hard to get the color look they want.

Also, if it was that easy in post people wouldn't go haywire about the old 5D "Classic"

Click to expand...

Clearly you have your own experience and interpretation of the “color behaviours” of the older Canon camera bodies versus the newer ones. But my experience is different. I have owned and used most Canon dSLRs from the original 300D and various xxD and xxxD models, all the 5D versions, the 7D and 6Dii, then more recently the R, RP, R5, R7, R8. (No 1D bodies) I do not see significant differences in the colour output that make any one body or range superior or inferior to the others. For the past 15+ years I have used various iterations of DXO’s RAW converters, this may explain why I have found consistency across the various camera bodies.

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Yes, DXO strips most RAW files to their bone and apply their own color science instead of brand profiles. Usually a good thing if you want consistency and of course like DXOs way of handling colors. Personally I don't.

If you really like the old Canon look that is not an option at all. Most use DPP or Lightroom where you have Canons very own color profiles matched.

I have worked with/used 450D, 30D, 40D, 50D, 60D, 70D, 7D, 7D2,1D3, 1Ds3, 5D, 5D2, 6D, 6D2, R, RP, R6, R7, R8. The Canon color science is NOT the same.

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What is your personal favorite models about great color ?I am talking about the 5dii 5diii 5dsr,6d,6d mark ii era...maybe i should take consideration about 5d mark ii,they are pretty cheap now days,someone says it has cartoony colors,someone else says it has most beautiful colors...i read different opinions.I remember once tried a Raw file from 1ds mark iii,i was just amazed...man i was instantly in love with its rendering and output.

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Of those I would probably say the original 6D for colors if you can live with the old AF. The 6D is particulary good in overcast weather. The files get a very warm and bronzy organic look. I almost destroyed my 6D back in 2014 when I took it for a spin on the streets of Manhattan. It was raining like crazy and when I got back to the hotel the 6D was dead. Put it in the closet for two days and then it was fine . Not weather resistant for sure.

The 1Ds3 has glorious files, even better than 6D. But it is old and clunky and the screen is quite poor. But the files...super! One of the best

The 5D2 is a bit tricky. It can look absolutely amazing but it can also get a bit oversaturated or "cartoony" as you mention. It depends on the scene and available light and sometimes the sensor CFA gets into trouble. But overall it renders great with a lot of warm red. Still classic Canon colors.

After 6D I would probably go for 6D2 or 5DSR. Skip the 5D4 - I never really made my peace with its colors.

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I noticed one interesting thing today,i downloaded from Dpreview studio 1 raw file from the original 5d classic,1 from 5d mark iii and 1 from 6d mark ii,all imported in DPP all white balance,6d mark ii looks very similar more to 5d classic and different from 5d mark iii,which i good i think !I look at this color wheels and the color from 5d mark iii are alot more saturated similar which you find in 6d and 5d mark ii,but 5d classic the colors from orange to green are more muted and less saturated the same story is in 6d mark ii,thats very nice !

Left is 5d classic and right is 6d mark ii.

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The problem with color targets like this is that they are done in perfectly balanced daylight (I guess?) so the difference between models is less obvious. The original 5D had a CFA that really worked well in any light if you ask me. Especially in daylight. So while the 6D2 and 5D might be similar in some scenarios the difference could be much bigger "out in the field".

That said - the 6D2 does indeed paint a great picture with good color balance and the right amount of saturation. The original 6D in daylight can - as you mentioned - appear a bit saturated with Canons profiles and I am not crazy about how it renders blues and purples. But overall a great contender. And of course, with a different profile it's a different story.

Interesting. I haven't used 6D2 for many years so I might rebuy it again. In studio a DSLR is still king.

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Yes,blue and purples with 6d and 5d mark iii are more warm,but 6d mark ii blues are more like 5dsr...maybe 6d mark ii is mix ot 5dsr,1ds mark iii something in that direction which i like...also i like the warm magenta+slighly red tint in 6d mark ii.Maybe i will buy it soon...will see.

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K1 with 30d dcp profile and slightly tweaked to be more consisten vs real 30d Canon...not bad i'd think ?

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Yeah I've experimented with that as well (changing the model in DCP profile). Works pretty good, especially with Canon bodies. But this also looks good and an alternative to a 30D. Not the same of course since the light and CFA can make it different but still. What I like with this conversation is the blue tones which is very 30D.

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Lbs26 said:

boldcolors said:

Lbs26 said:

Lbs26 said:

boldcolors said:

Lbs26 said:

boldcolors said:

Lbs26 said:

boldcolors said:

drsnoopy said:

boldcolors said:

drsnoopy said:

Lbs26 said:

Hi folks !Long story short...i was a Canon user since when i started in photography,10 years ago..i started with 1200d,70d,6d,Eos R...then i moved to Pentax K1,and it is the best overall camera that i have used in my experience(as landscape photographer).

But the problem now is that i have very strong nostalgia and i crave again for the typical ''Canon colors''...i wish i had them in my K1,anyway...since i already used 6d in the past,i do not want again another 6d,i am confused what to buy between 5d mark iii,6d mark ii or 5dsr.I know that this 3 cameras have the magic from the good old days,not sure about 6d mark ii ?!Main concern is which one of those will have the best colors straight out of it,i want to use only DPP and then export in TIFF and the in Photoshop final small retouch(sharpness,resize,exposure blend etc.).

If anybody perhaps have used 5d mark iii and 6d mark ii or 5dsr and can share some thought about the color science it will be great !

Thank you !

Click to expand...

Are you shooting RAW with your K1? If so, you should be able to adjust your colour settings to pretty much anything you like, in your RAW conversion software The concept of “Canon colours”, “Sony colours” etc really only applies to JPEGs and of course the RAW preview, which is itself a jpeg.

You might save a lot of money and hassle by exploring what you can achieve in software. Give DXO Photolab a try - hundreds of colour settings available in the camera body selection menu. Free trial available, also DXO PureRaw.

Click to expand...

Well, yes and no. The "No" part: A sensor and its filters (and in Canons case the DIGIC image processor) also leave a specific footprint in the RAW file. Some models not so much, others (espeically old ones) a LOT. The sensor in itself is of course color blind but not the camera processor that is dealing with what the sensor has "seen". My old 30D vs R7 for example. Using same target and light, same lens, same software, same camera profile, same WB...and they will still look different no matter what. So yes, a brand "house color" can also there in RAW.

Now the "yes" part. In RAW you can tweak your files to infinity. But that is a different topic. If one really likes the old Canon output it's not just about tweaking a RAW file. You need to go deeper. You can probably get quite close if you know what you are doing (that would require custom profiles and/or LUTs) but there is reason each brand has their own colorists working hard to get the color look they want.

Also, if it was that easy in post people wouldn't go haywire about the old 5D "Classic"

Click to expand...

Clearly you have your own experience and interpretation of the “color behaviours” of the older Canon camera bodies versus the newer ones. But my experience is different. I have owned and used most Canon dSLRs from the original 300D and various xxD and xxxD models, all the 5D versions, the 7D and 6Dii, then more recently the R, RP, R5, R7, R8. (No 1D bodies) I do not see significant differences in the colour output that make any one body or range superior or inferior to the others. For the past 15+ years I have used various iterations of DXO’s RAW converters, this may explain why I have found consistency across the various camera bodies.

Click to expand...

Yes, DXO strips most RAW files to their bone and apply their own color science instead of brand profiles. Usually a good thing if you want consistency and of course like DXOs way of handling colors. Personally I don't.

If you really like the old Canon look that is not an option at all. Most use DPP or Lightroom where you have Canons very own color profiles matched.

I have worked with/used 450D, 30D, 40D, 50D, 60D, 70D, 7D, 7D2,1D3, 1Ds3, 5D, 5D2, 6D, 6D2, R, RP, R6, R7, R8. The Canon color science is NOT the same.

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What is your personal favorite models about great color ?I am talking about the 5dii 5diii 5dsr,6d,6d mark ii era...maybe i should take consideration about 5d mark ii,they are pretty cheap now days,someone says it has cartoony colors,someone else says it has most beautiful colors...i read different opinions.I remember once tried a Raw file from 1ds mark iii,i was just amazed...man i was instantly in love with its rendering and output.

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Of those I would probably say the original 6D for colors if you can live with the old AF. The 6D is particulary good in overcast weather. The files get a very warm and bronzy organic look. I almost destroyed my 6D back in 2014 when I took it for a spin on the streets of Manhattan. It was raining like crazy and when I got back to the hotel the 6D was dead. Put it in the closet for two days and then it was fine . Not weather resistant for sure.

The 1Ds3 has glorious files, even better than 6D. But it is old and clunky and the screen is quite poor. But the files...super! One of the best

The 5D2 is a bit tricky. It can look absolutely amazing but it can also get a bit oversaturated or "cartoony" as you mention. It depends on the scene and available light and sometimes the sensor CFA gets into trouble. But overall it renders great with a lot of warm red. Still classic Canon colors.

After 6D I would probably go for 6D2 or 5DSR. Skip the 5D4 - I never really made my peace with its colors.

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I noticed one interesting thing today,i downloaded from Dpreview studio 1 raw file from the original 5d classic,1 from 5d mark iii and 1 from 6d mark ii,all imported in DPP all white balance,6d mark ii looks very similar more to 5d classic and different from 5d mark iii,which i good i think !I look at this color wheels and the color from 5d mark iii are alot more saturated similar which you find in 6d and 5d mark ii,but 5d classic the colors from orange to green are more muted and less saturated the same story is in 6d mark ii,thats very nice !

Left is 5d classic and right is 6d mark ii.

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The problem with color targets like this is that they are done in perfectly balanced daylight (I guess?) so the difference between models is less obvious. The original 5D had a CFA that really worked well in any light if you ask me. Especially in daylight. So while the 6D2 and 5D might be similar in some scenarios the difference could be much bigger "out in the field".

That said - the 6D2 does indeed paint a great picture with good color balance and the right amount of saturation. The original 6D in daylight can - as you mentioned - appear a bit saturated with Canons profiles and I am not crazy about how it renders blues and purples. But overall a great contender. And of course, with a different profile it's a different story.

Interesting. I haven't used 6D2 for many years so I might rebuy it again. In studio a DSLR is still king.

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Yes,blue and purples with 6d and 5d mark iii are more warm,but 6d mark ii blues are more like 5dsr...maybe 6d mark ii is mix ot 5dsr,1ds mark iii something in that direction which i like...also i like the warm magenta+slighly red tint in 6d mark ii.Maybe i will buy it soon...will see.

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K1 with 30d dcp profile and slightly tweaked to be more consisten vs real 30d Canon...not bad i'd think ?

Click to expand...

Yeah I've experimented with that as well (changing the model in DCP profile). Works pretty good, especially with Canon bodies. But this also looks good and an alternative to a 30D. Not the same of course since the light and CFA can make it different but still. What I like with this conversation is the blue tones which is very 30D.

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Yes,a think is good alternative...from 30d to 6d mark ii and Eos R for example they all will be different as a color style more or less...maybe this is the same direction,i like it so far...i must go out and take more photos to see what happens in sunset,sunrise blue hours etc.

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boldcolors said:

Lbs26 said:

boldcolors said:

Lbs26 said:

Lbs26 said:

boldcolors said:

Lbs26 said:

boldcolors said:

Lbs26 said:

boldcolors said:

drsnoopy said:

boldcolors said:

drsnoopy said:

Lbs26 said:

Hi folks !Long story short...i was a Canon user since when i started in photography,10 years ago..i started with 1200d,70d,6d,Eos R...then i moved to Pentax K1,and it is the best overall camera that i have used in my experience(as landscape photographer).

But the problem now is that i have very strong nostalgia and i crave again for the typical ''Canon colors''...i wish i had them in my K1,anyway...since i already used 6d in the past,i do not want again another 6d,i am confused what to buy between 5d mark iii,6d mark ii or 5dsr.I know that this 3 cameras have the magic from the good old days,not sure about 6d mark ii ?!Main concern is which one of those will have the best colors straight out of it,i want to use only DPP and then export in TIFF and the in Photoshop final small retouch(sharpness,resize,exposure blend etc.).

If anybody perhaps have used 5d mark iii and 6d mark ii or 5dsr and can share some thought about the color science it will be great !

Thank you !

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Are you shooting RAW with your K1? If so, you should be able to adjust your colour settings to pretty much anything you like, in your RAW conversion software The concept of “Canon colours”, “Sony colours” etc really only applies to JPEGs and of course the RAW preview, which is itself a jpeg.

You might save a lot of money and hassle by exploring what you can achieve in software. Give DXO Photolab a try - hundreds of colour settings available in the camera body selection menu. Free trial available, also DXO PureRaw.

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Well, yes and no. The "No" part: A sensor and its filters (and in Canons case the DIGIC image processor) also leave a specific footprint in the RAW file. Some models not so much, others (espeically old ones) a LOT. The sensor in itself is of course color blind but not the camera processor that is dealing with what the sensor has "seen". My old 30D vs R7 for example. Using same target and light, same lens, same software, same camera profile, same WB...and they will still look different no matter what. So yes, a brand "house color" can also there in RAW.

Now the "yes" part. In RAW you can tweak your files to infinity. But that is a different topic. If one really likes the old Canon output it's not just about tweaking a RAW file. You need to go deeper. You can probably get quite close if you know what you are doing (that would require custom profiles and/or LUTs) but there is reason each brand has their own colorists working hard to get the color look they want.

Also, if it was that easy in post people wouldn't go haywire about the old 5D "Classic"

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Clearly you have your own experience and interpretation of the “color behaviours” of the older Canon camera bodies versus the newer ones. But my experience is different. I have owned and used most Canon dSLRs from the original 300D and various xxD and xxxD models, all the 5D versions, the 7D and 6Dii, then more recently the R, RP, R5, R7, R8. (No 1D bodies) I do not see significant differences in the colour output that make any one body or range superior or inferior to the others. For the past 15+ years I have used various iterations of DXO’s RAW converters, this may explain why I have found consistency across the various camera bodies.

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Yes, DXO strips most RAW files to their bone and apply their own color science instead of brand profiles. Usually a good thing if you want consistency and of course like DXOs way of handling colors. Personally I don't.

If you really like the old Canon look that is not an option at all. Most use DPP or Lightroom where you have Canons very own color profiles matched.

I have worked with/used 450D, 30D, 40D, 50D, 60D, 70D, 7D, 7D2,1D3, 1Ds3, 5D, 5D2, 6D, 6D2, R, RP, R6, R7, R8. The Canon color science is NOT the same.

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What is your personal favorite models about great color ?I am talking about the 5dii 5diii 5dsr,6d,6d mark ii era...maybe i should take consideration about 5d mark ii,they are pretty cheap now days,someone says it has cartoony colors,someone else says it has most beautiful colors...i read different opinions.I remember once tried a Raw file from 1ds mark iii,i was just amazed...man i was instantly in love with its rendering and output.

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Of those I would probably say the original 6D for colors if you can live with the old AF. The 6D is particulary good in overcast weather. The files get a very warm and bronzy organic look. I almost destroyed my 6D back in 2014 when I took it for a spin on the streets of Manhattan. It was raining like crazy and when I got back to the hotel the 6D was dead. Put it in the closet for two days and then it was fine . Not weather resistant for sure.

The 1Ds3 has glorious files, even better than 6D. But it is old and clunky and the screen is quite poor. But the files...super! One of the best

The 5D2 is a bit tricky. It can look absolutely amazing but it can also get a bit oversaturated or "cartoony" as you mention. It depends on the scene and available light and sometimes the sensor CFA gets into trouble. But overall it renders great with a lot of warm red. Still classic Canon colors.

After 6D I would probably go for 6D2 or 5DSR. Skip the 5D4 - I never really made my peace with its colors.

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I noticed one interesting thing today,i downloaded from Dpreview studio 1 raw file from the original 5d classic,1 from 5d mark iii and 1 from 6d mark ii,all imported in DPP all white balance,6d mark ii looks very similar more to 5d classic and different from 5d mark iii,which i good i think !I look at this color wheels and the color from 5d mark iii are alot more saturated similar which you find in 6d and 5d mark ii,but 5d classic the colors from orange to green are more muted and less saturated the same story is in 6d mark ii,thats very nice !

Left is 5d classic and right is 6d mark ii.

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The problem with color targets like this is that they are done in perfectly balanced daylight (I guess?) so the difference between models is less obvious. The original 5D had a CFA that really worked well in any light if you ask me. Especially in daylight. So while the 6D2 and 5D might be similar in some scenarios the difference could be much bigger "out in the field".

That said - the 6D2 does indeed paint a great picture with good color balance and the right amount of saturation. The original 6D in daylight can - as you mentioned - appear a bit saturated with Canons profiles and I am not crazy about how it renders blues and purples. But overall a great contender. And of course, with a different profile it's a different story.

Interesting. I haven't used 6D2 for many years so I might rebuy it again. In studio a DSLR is still king.

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Yes,blue and purples with 6d and 5d mark iii are more warm,but 6d mark ii blues are more like 5dsr...maybe 6d mark ii is mix ot 5dsr,1ds mark iii something in that direction which i like...also i like the warm magenta+slighly red tint in 6d mark ii.Maybe i will buy it soon...will see.

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K1 with 30d dcp profile and slightly tweaked to be more consisten vs real 30d Canon...not bad i'd think ?

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Yeah I've experimented with that as well (changing the model in DCP profile). Works pretty good, especially with Canon bodies. But this also looks good and an alternative to a 30D. Not the same of course since the light and CFA can make it different but still. What I like with this conversation is the blue tones which is very 30D.

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Yes,a think is good alternative...from 30d to 6d mark ii and Eos R for example they all will be different as a color style more or less...maybe this is the same direction,i like it so far...i must go out and take more photos to see what happens in sunset,sunrise blue hours etc.

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Yes, tweaking is needed. When I converted the Camera Standard profile for my R7 I remember a lot in the mid-orange range became almost red. That can be a Canon thing in general but this was quite extreme so I had to turn those back to orange. Getting the skintones right can then be a bit inconsistent (lips too red for example) so I avoid using it when shooting portraits. But for walkaround, street, landscape etc I see no reason not to use it.

Or I'll just take my 30D With the AI upscale algorithms today the files become very useful. But the camera in itself is of course a dinosaur.

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Lbs26 said:

boldcolors said:

Lbs26 said:

boldcolors said:

Lbs26 said:

Lbs26 said:

boldcolors said:

Lbs26 said:

boldcolors said:

Lbs26 said:

boldcolors said:

drsnoopy said:

boldcolors said:

drsnoopy said:

Lbs26 said:

Hi folks !Long story short...i was a Canon user since when i started in photography,10 years ago..i started with 1200d,70d,6d,Eos R...then i moved to Pentax K1,and it is the best overall camera that i have used in my experience(as landscape photographer).

But the problem now is that i have very strong nostalgia and i crave again for the typical ''Canon colors''...i wish i had them in my K1,anyway...since i already used 6d in the past,i do not want again another 6d,i am confused what to buy between 5d mark iii,6d mark ii or 5dsr.I know that this 3 cameras have the magic from the good old days,not sure about 6d mark ii ?!Main concern is which one of those will have the best colors straight out of it,i want to use only DPP and then export in TIFF and the in Photoshop final small retouch(sharpness,resize,exposure blend etc.).

If anybody perhaps have used 5d mark iii and 6d mark ii or 5dsr and can share some thought about the color science it will be great !

Thank you !

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Are you shooting RAW with your K1? If so, you should be able to adjust your colour settings to pretty much anything you like, in your RAW conversion software The concept of “Canon colours”, “Sony colours” etc really only applies to JPEGs and of course the RAW preview, which is itself a jpeg.

You might save a lot of money and hassle by exploring what you can achieve in software. Give DXO Photolab a try - hundreds of colour settings available in the camera body selection menu. Free trial available, also DXO PureRaw.

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Well, yes and no. The "No" part: A sensor and its filters (and in Canons case the DIGIC image processor) also leave a specific footprint in the RAW file. Some models not so much, others (espeically old ones) a LOT. The sensor in itself is of course color blind but not the camera processor that is dealing with what the sensor has "seen". My old 30D vs R7 for example. Using same target and light, same lens, same software, same camera profile, same WB...and they will still look different no matter what. So yes, a brand "house color" can also there in RAW.

Now the "yes" part. In RAW you can tweak your files to infinity. But that is a different topic. If one really likes the old Canon output it's not just about tweaking a RAW file. You need to go deeper. You can probably get quite close if you know what you are doing (that would require custom profiles and/or LUTs) but there is reason each brand has their own colorists working hard to get the color look they want.

Also, if it was that easy in post people wouldn't go haywire about the old 5D "Classic"

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Clearly you have your own experience and interpretation of the “color behaviours” of the older Canon camera bodies versus the newer ones. But my experience is different. I have owned and used most Canon dSLRs from the original 300D and various xxD and xxxD models, all the 5D versions, the 7D and 6Dii, then more recently the R, RP, R5, R7, R8. (No 1D bodies) I do not see significant differences in the colour output that make any one body or range superior or inferior to the others. For the past 15+ years I have used various iterations of DXO’s RAW converters, this may explain why I have found consistency across the various camera bodies.

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Yes, DXO strips most RAW files to their bone and apply their own color science instead of brand profiles. Usually a good thing if you want consistency and of course like DXOs way of handling colors. Personally I don't.

If you really like the old Canon look that is not an option at all. Most use DPP or Lightroom where you have Canons very own color profiles matched.

I have worked with/used 450D, 30D, 40D, 50D, 60D, 70D, 7D, 7D2,1D3, 1Ds3, 5D, 5D2, 6D, 6D2, R, RP, R6, R7, R8. The Canon color science is NOT the same.

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What is your personal favorite models about great color ?I am talking about the 5dii 5diii 5dsr,6d,6d mark ii era...maybe i should take consideration about 5d mark ii,they are pretty cheap now days,someone says it has cartoony colors,someone else says it has most beautiful colors...i read different opinions.I remember once tried a Raw file from 1ds mark iii,i was just amazed...man i was instantly in love with its rendering and output.

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Of those I would probably say the original 6D for colors if you can live with the old AF. The 6D is particulary good in overcast weather. The files get a very warm and bronzy organic look. I almost destroyed my 6D back in 2014 when I took it for a spin on the streets of Manhattan. It was raining like crazy and when I got back to the hotel the 6D was dead. Put it in the closet for two days and then it was fine . Not weather resistant for sure.

The 1Ds3 has glorious files, even better than 6D. But it is old and clunky and the screen is quite poor. But the files...super! One of the best

The 5D2 is a bit tricky. It can look absolutely amazing but it can also get a bit oversaturated or "cartoony" as you mention. It depends on the scene and available light and sometimes the sensor CFA gets into trouble. But overall it renders great with a lot of warm red. Still classic Canon colors.

After 6D I would probably go for 6D2 or 5DSR. Skip the 5D4 - I never really made my peace with its colors.

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I noticed one interesting thing today,i downloaded from Dpreview studio 1 raw file from the original 5d classic,1 from 5d mark iii and 1 from 6d mark ii,all imported in DPP all white balance,6d mark ii looks very similar more to 5d classic and different from 5d mark iii,which i good i think !I look at this color wheels and the color from 5d mark iii are alot more saturated similar which you find in 6d and 5d mark ii,but 5d classic the colors from orange to green are more muted and less saturated the same story is in 6d mark ii,thats very nice !

Left is 5d classic and right is 6d mark ii.

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The problem with color targets like this is that they are done in perfectly balanced daylight (I guess?) so the difference between models is less obvious. The original 5D had a CFA that really worked well in any light if you ask me. Especially in daylight. So while the 6D2 and 5D might be similar in some scenarios the difference could be much bigger "out in the field".

That said - the 6D2 does indeed paint a great picture with good color balance and the right amount of saturation. The original 6D in daylight can - as you mentioned - appear a bit saturated with Canons profiles and I am not crazy about how it renders blues and purples. But overall a great contender. And of course, with a different profile it's a different story.

Interesting. I haven't used 6D2 for many years so I might rebuy it again. In studio a DSLR is still king.

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Yes,blue and purples with 6d and 5d mark iii are more warm,but 6d mark ii blues are more like 5dsr...maybe 6d mark ii is mix ot 5dsr,1ds mark iii something in that direction which i like...also i like the warm magenta+slighly red tint in 6d mark ii.Maybe i will buy it soon...will see.

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K1 with 30d dcp profile and slightly tweaked to be more consisten vs real 30d Canon...not bad i'd think ?

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Yeah I've experimented with that as well (changing the model in DCP profile). Works pretty good, especially with Canon bodies. But this also looks good and an alternative to a 30D. Not the same of course since the light and CFA can make it different but still. What I like with this conversation is the blue tones which is very 30D.

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Yes,a think is good alternative...from 30d to 6d mark ii and Eos R for example they all will be different as a color style more or less...maybe this is the same direction,i like it so far...i must go out and take more photos to see what happens in sunset,sunrise blue hours etc.

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Yes, tweaking is needed. When I converted the Camera Standard profile for my R7 I remember a lot in the mid-orange range became almost red. That can be a Canon thing in general but this was quite extreme so I had to turn those back to orange. Getting the skintones right can then be a bit inconsistent (lips too red for example) so I avoid using it when shooting portraits. But for walkaround, street, landscape etc I see no reason not to use it.

Or I'll just take my 30D With the AI upscale algorithms today the files become very useful. But the camera in itself is of course a dinosaur.

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I laso do another ''hack'',i export my Raw file with NO added saturation,and i import it as TIFF in DPP then i add there the saturation,i must admit that DPP saturation makes the Canon look by 50%,it makes huge difference...DPP has one of the smartest way to saturate a image,it does not touch the white,gray and black areas they remain natural...its something similar if you create saturation mask,but alot better !

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boldcolors said:

Lbs26 said:

boldcolors said:

Lbs26 said:

boldcolors said:

Lbs26 said:

Lbs26 said:

boldcolors said:

Lbs26 said:

boldcolors said:

Lbs26 said:

boldcolors said:

drsnoopy said:

boldcolors said:

drsnoopy said:

Lbs26 said:

Hi folks !Long story short...i was a Canon user since when i started in photography,10 years ago..i started with 1200d,70d,6d,Eos R...then i moved to Pentax K1,and it is the best overall camera that i have used in my experience(as landscape photographer).

But the problem now is that i have very strong nostalgia and i crave again for the typical ''Canon colors''...i wish i had them in my K1,anyway...since i already used 6d in the past,i do not want again another 6d,i am confused what to buy between 5d mark iii,6d mark ii or 5dsr.I know that this 3 cameras have the magic from the good old days,not sure about 6d mark ii ?!Main concern is which one of those will have the best colors straight out of it,i want to use only DPP and then export in TIFF and the in Photoshop final small retouch(sharpness,resize,exposure blend etc.).

If anybody perhaps have used 5d mark iii and 6d mark ii or 5dsr and can share some thought about the color science it will be great !

Thank you !

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Are you shooting RAW with your K1? If so, you should be able to adjust your colour settings to pretty much anything you like, in your RAW conversion software The concept of “Canon colours”, “Sony colours” etc really only applies to JPEGs and of course the RAW preview, which is itself a jpeg.

You might save a lot of money and hassle by exploring what you can achieve in software. Give DXO Photolab a try - hundreds of colour settings available in the camera body selection menu. Free trial available, also DXO PureRaw.

Click to expand...

Well, yes and no. The "No" part: A sensor and its filters (and in Canons case the DIGIC image processor) also leave a specific footprint in the RAW file. Some models not so much, others (espeically old ones) a LOT. The sensor in itself is of course color blind but not the camera processor that is dealing with what the sensor has "seen". My old 30D vs R7 for example. Using same target and light, same lens, same software, same camera profile, same WB...and they will still look different no matter what. So yes, a brand "house color" can also there in RAW.

Now the "yes" part. In RAW you can tweak your files to infinity. But that is a different topic. If one really likes the old Canon output it's not just about tweaking a RAW file. You need to go deeper. You can probably get quite close if you know what you are doing (that would require custom profiles and/or LUTs) but there is reason each brand has their own colorists working hard to get the color look they want.

Also, if it was that easy in post people wouldn't go haywire about the old 5D "Classic"

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Clearly you have your own experience and interpretation of the “color behaviours” of the older Canon camera bodies versus the newer ones. But my experience is different. I have owned and used most Canon dSLRs from the original 300D and various xxD and xxxD models, all the 5D versions, the 7D and 6Dii, then more recently the R, RP, R5, R7, R8. (No 1D bodies) I do not see significant differences in the colour output that make any one body or range superior or inferior to the others. For the past 15+ years I have used various iterations of DXO’s RAW converters, this may explain why I have found consistency across the various camera bodies.

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Yes, DXO strips most RAW files to their bone and apply their own color science instead of brand profiles. Usually a good thing if you want consistency and of course like DXOs way of handling colors. Personally I don't.

If you really like the old Canon look that is not an option at all. Most use DPP or Lightroom where you have Canons very own color profiles matched.

I have worked with/used 450D, 30D, 40D, 50D, 60D, 70D, 7D, 7D2,1D3, 1Ds3, 5D, 5D2, 6D, 6D2, R, RP, R6, R7, R8. The Canon color science is NOT the same.

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What is your personal favorite models about great color ?I am talking about the 5dii 5diii 5dsr,6d,6d mark ii era...maybe i should take consideration about 5d mark ii,they are pretty cheap now days,someone says it has cartoony colors,someone else says it has most beautiful colors...i read different opinions.I remember once tried a Raw file from 1ds mark iii,i was just amazed...man i was instantly in love with its rendering and output.

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Of those I would probably say the original 6D for colors if you can live with the old AF. The 6D is particulary good in overcast weather. The files get a very warm and bronzy organic look. I almost destroyed my 6D back in 2014 when I took it for a spin on the streets of Manhattan. It was raining like crazy and when I got back to the hotel the 6D was dead. Put it in the closet for two days and then it was fine . Not weather resistant for sure.

The 1Ds3 has glorious files, even better than 6D. But it is old and clunky and the screen is quite poor. But the files...super! One of the best

The 5D2 is a bit tricky. It can look absolutely amazing but it can also get a bit oversaturated or "cartoony" as you mention. It depends on the scene and available light and sometimes the sensor CFA gets into trouble. But overall it renders great with a lot of warm red. Still classic Canon colors.

After 6D I would probably go for 6D2 or 5DSR. Skip the 5D4 - I never really made my peace with its colors.

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I noticed one interesting thing today,i downloaded from Dpreview studio 1 raw file from the original 5d classic,1 from 5d mark iii and 1 from 6d mark ii,all imported in DPP all white balance,6d mark ii looks very similar more to 5d classic and different from 5d mark iii,which i good i think !I look at this color wheels and the color from 5d mark iii are alot more saturated similar which you find in 6d and 5d mark ii,but 5d classic the colors from orange to green are more muted and less saturated the same story is in 6d mark ii,thats very nice !

Left is 5d classic and right is 6d mark ii.

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The problem with color targets like this is that they are done in perfectly balanced daylight (I guess?) so the difference between models is less obvious. The original 5D had a CFA that really worked well in any light if you ask me. Especially in daylight. So while the 6D2 and 5D might be similar in some scenarios the difference could be much bigger "out in the field".

That said - the 6D2 does indeed paint a great picture with good color balance and the right amount of saturation. The original 6D in daylight can - as you mentioned - appear a bit saturated with Canons profiles and I am not crazy about how it renders blues and purples. But overall a great contender. And of course, with a different profile it's a different story.

Interesting. I haven't used 6D2 for many years so I might rebuy it again. In studio a DSLR is still king.

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Yes,blue and purples with 6d and 5d mark iii are more warm,but 6d mark ii blues are more like 5dsr...maybe 6d mark ii is mix ot 5dsr,1ds mark iii something in that direction which i like...also i like the warm magenta+slighly red tint in 6d mark ii.Maybe i will buy it soon...will see.

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K1 with 30d dcp profile and slightly tweaked to be more consisten vs real 30d Canon...not bad i'd think ?

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Yeah I've experimented with that as well (changing the model in DCP profile). Works pretty good, especially with Canon bodies. But this also looks good and an alternative to a 30D. Not the same of course since the light and CFA can make it different but still. What I like with this conversation is the blue tones which is very 30D.

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Yes,a think is good alternative...from 30d to 6d mark ii and Eos R for example they all will be different as a color style more or less...maybe this is the same direction,i like it so far...i must go out and take more photos to see what happens in sunset,sunrise blue hours etc.

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Yes, tweaking is needed. When I converted the Camera Standard profile for my R7 I remember a lot in the mid-orange range became almost red. That can be a Canon thing in general but this was quite extreme so I had to turn those back to orange. Getting the skintones right can then be a bit inconsistent (lips too red for example) so I avoid using it when shooting portraits. But for walkaround, street, landscape etc I see no reason not to use it.

Or I'll just take my 30D With the AI upscale algorithms today the files become very useful. But the camera in itself is of course a dinosaur.

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I laso do another ''hack'',i export my Raw file with NO added saturation,and i import it as TIFF in DPP then i add there the saturation,i must admit that DPP saturation makes the Canon look by 50%,it makes huge difference...DPP has one of the smartest way to saturate a image,it does not touch the white,gray and black areas they remain natural...its something similar if you create saturation mask,but alot better !

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Interesting. Never crossed my mind.

Just out of curiousity - have you tried the Cobalt profiles?

https://www.cobalt-image.com/product/canon-vintage-for-adobe/

Not sure how/if they work with your K1 but it might be worthwhile to check it out. I have tried them myself and they do make a difference but I wouldn't go as far as they do when they market them as "just like the original". It's an interpretation and tribute to the old Canon models but it's not magic.

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Lbs26 said:

boldcolors said:

Lbs26 said:

boldcolors said:

Lbs26 said:

boldcolors said:

Lbs26 said:

Lbs26 said:

boldcolors said:

Lbs26 said:

boldcolors said:

Lbs26 said:

boldcolors said:

drsnoopy said:

boldcolors said:

drsnoopy said:

Lbs26 said:

Hi folks !Long story short...i was a Canon user since when i started in photography,10 years ago..i started with 1200d,70d,6d,Eos R...then i moved to Pentax K1,and it is the best overall camera that i have used in my experience(as landscape photographer).

But the problem now is that i have very strong nostalgia and i crave again for the typical ''Canon colors''...i wish i had them in my K1,anyway...since i already used 6d in the past,i do not want again another 6d,i am confused what to buy between 5d mark iii,6d mark ii or 5dsr.I know that this 3 cameras have the magic from the good old days,not sure about 6d mark ii ?!Main concern is which one of those will have the best colors straight out of it,i want to use only DPP and then export in TIFF and the in Photoshop final small retouch(sharpness,resize,exposure blend etc.).

If anybody perhaps have used 5d mark iii and 6d mark ii or 5dsr and can share some thought about the color science it will be great !

Thank you !

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Are you shooting RAW with your K1? If so, you should be able to adjust your colour settings to pretty much anything you like, in your RAW conversion software The concept of “Canon colours”, “Sony colours” etc really only applies to JPEGs and of course the RAW preview, which is itself a jpeg.

You might save a lot of money and hassle by exploring what you can achieve in software. Give DXO Photolab a try - hundreds of colour settings available in the camera body selection menu. Free trial available, also DXO PureRaw.

Click to expand...

Well, yes and no. The "No" part: A sensor and its filters (and in Canons case the DIGIC image processor) also leave a specific footprint in the RAW file. Some models not so much, others (espeically old ones) a LOT. The sensor in itself is of course color blind but not the camera processor that is dealing with what the sensor has "seen". My old 30D vs R7 for example. Using same target and light, same lens, same software, same camera profile, same WB...and they will still look different no matter what. So yes, a brand "house color" can also there in RAW.

Now the "yes" part. In RAW you can tweak your files to infinity. But that is a different topic. If one really likes the old Canon output it's not just about tweaking a RAW file. You need to go deeper. You can probably get quite close if you know what you are doing (that would require custom profiles and/or LUTs) but there is reason each brand has their own colorists working hard to get the color look they want.

Also, if it was that easy in post people wouldn't go haywire about the old 5D "Classic"

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Clearly you have your own experience and interpretation of the “color behaviours” of the older Canon camera bodies versus the newer ones. But my experience is different. I have owned and used most Canon dSLRs from the original 300D and various xxD and xxxD models, all the 5D versions, the 7D and 6Dii, then more recently the R, RP, R5, R7, R8. (No 1D bodies) I do not see significant differences in the colour output that make any one body or range superior or inferior to the others. For the past 15+ years I have used various iterations of DXO’s RAW converters, this may explain why I have found consistency across the various camera bodies.

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Yes, DXO strips most RAW files to their bone and apply their own color science instead of brand profiles. Usually a good thing if you want consistency and of course like DXOs way of handling colors. Personally I don't.

If you really like the old Canon look that is not an option at all. Most use DPP or Lightroom where you have Canons very own color profiles matched.

I have worked with/used 450D, 30D, 40D, 50D, 60D, 70D, 7D, 7D2,1D3, 1Ds3, 5D, 5D2, 6D, 6D2, R, RP, R6, R7, R8. The Canon color science is NOT the same.

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What is your personal favorite models about great color ?I am talking about the 5dii 5diii 5dsr,6d,6d mark ii era...maybe i should take consideration about 5d mark ii,they are pretty cheap now days,someone says it has cartoony colors,someone else says it has most beautiful colors...i read different opinions.I remember once tried a Raw file from 1ds mark iii,i was just amazed...man i was instantly in love with its rendering and output.

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Of those I would probably say the original 6D for colors if you can live with the old AF. The 6D is particulary good in overcast weather. The files get a very warm and bronzy organic look. I almost destroyed my 6D back in 2014 when I took it for a spin on the streets of Manhattan. It was raining like crazy and when I got back to the hotel the 6D was dead. Put it in the closet for two days and then it was fine . Not weather resistant for sure.

The 1Ds3 has glorious files, even better than 6D. But it is old and clunky and the screen is quite poor. But the files...super! One of the best

The 5D2 is a bit tricky. It can look absolutely amazing but it can also get a bit oversaturated or "cartoony" as you mention. It depends on the scene and available light and sometimes the sensor CFA gets into trouble. But overall it renders great with a lot of warm red. Still classic Canon colors.

After 6D I would probably go for 6D2 or 5DSR. Skip the 5D4 - I never really made my peace with its colors.

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I noticed one interesting thing today,i downloaded from Dpreview studio 1 raw file from the original 5d classic,1 from 5d mark iii and 1 from 6d mark ii,all imported in DPP all white balance,6d mark ii looks very similar more to 5d classic and different from 5d mark iii,which i good i think !I look at this color wheels and the color from 5d mark iii are alot more saturated similar which you find in 6d and 5d mark ii,but 5d classic the colors from orange to green are more muted and less saturated the same story is in 6d mark ii,thats very nice !

Left is 5d classic and right is 6d mark ii.

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The problem with color targets like this is that they are done in perfectly balanced daylight (I guess?) so the difference between models is less obvious. The original 5D had a CFA that really worked well in any light if you ask me. Especially in daylight. So while the 6D2 and 5D might be similar in some scenarios the difference could be much bigger "out in the field".

That said - the 6D2 does indeed paint a great picture with good color balance and the right amount of saturation. The original 6D in daylight can - as you mentioned - appear a bit saturated with Canons profiles and I am not crazy about how it renders blues and purples. But overall a great contender. And of course, with a different profile it's a different story.

Interesting. I haven't used 6D2 for many years so I might rebuy it again. In studio a DSLR is still king.

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Yes,blue and purples with 6d and 5d mark iii are more warm,but 6d mark ii blues are more like 5dsr...maybe 6d mark ii is mix ot 5dsr,1ds mark iii something in that direction which i like...also i like the warm magenta+slighly red tint in 6d mark ii.Maybe i will buy it soon...will see.

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K1 with 30d dcp profile and slightly tweaked to be more consisten vs real 30d Canon...not bad i'd think ?

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Yeah I've experimented with that as well (changing the model in DCP profile). Works pretty good, especially with Canon bodies. But this also looks good and an alternative to a 30D. Not the same of course since the light and CFA can make it different but still. What I like with this conversation is the blue tones which is very 30D.

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Yes,a think is good alternative...from 30d to 6d mark ii and Eos R for example they all will be different as a color style more or less...maybe this is the same direction,i like it so far...i must go out and take more photos to see what happens in sunset,sunrise blue hours etc.

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Yes, tweaking is needed. When I converted the Camera Standard profile for my R7 I remember a lot in the mid-orange range became almost red. That can be a Canon thing in general but this was quite extreme so I had to turn those back to orange. Getting the skintones right can then be a bit inconsistent (lips too red for example) so I avoid using it when shooting portraits. But for walkaround, street, landscape etc I see no reason not to use it.

Or I'll just take my 30D With the AI upscale algorithms today the files become very useful. But the camera in itself is of course a dinosaur.

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I laso do another ''hack'',i export my Raw file with NO added saturation,and i import it as TIFF in DPP then i add there the saturation,i must admit that DPP saturation makes the Canon look by 50%,it makes huge difference...DPP has one of the smartest way to saturate a image,it does not touch the white,gray and black areas they remain natural...its something similar if you create saturation mask,but alot better !

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Interesting. Never crossed my mind.

Just out of curiousity - have you tried the Cobalt profiles?

https://www.cobalt-image.com/product/canon-vintage-for-adobe/

Not sure how/if they work with your K1 but it might be worthwhile to check it out. I have tried them myself and they do make a difference but I wouldn't go as far as they do when they market them as "just like the original". It's an interpretation and tribute to the old Canon models but it's not magic.

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Never heard before of Cobalt...look very interesting,i should check it !

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boldcolors said:

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boldcolors said:

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Lbs26 said:

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boldcolors said:

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boldcolors said:

drsnoopy said:

boldcolors said:

drsnoopy said:

Lbs26 said:

Hi folks !Long story short...i was a Canon user since when i started in photography,10 years ago..i started with 1200d,70d,6d,Eos R...then i moved to Pentax K1,and it is the best overall camera that i have used in my experience(as landscape photographer).

But the problem now is that i have very strong nostalgia and i crave again for the typical ''Canon colors''...i wish i had them in my K1,anyway...since i already used 6d in the past,i do not want again another 6d,i am confused what to buy between 5d mark iii,6d mark ii or 5dsr.I know that this 3 cameras have the magic from the good old days,not sure about 6d mark ii ?!Main concern is which one of those will have the best colors straight out of it,i want to use only DPP and then export in TIFF and the in Photoshop final small retouch(sharpness,resize,exposure blend etc.).

If anybody perhaps have used 5d mark iii and 6d mark ii or 5dsr and can share some thought about the color science it will be great !

Thank you !

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Are you shooting RAW with your K1? If so, you should be able to adjust your colour settings to pretty much anything you like, in your RAW conversion software The concept of “Canon colours”, “Sony colours” etc really only applies to JPEGs and of course the RAW preview, which is itself a jpeg.

You might save a lot of money and hassle by exploring what you can achieve in software. Give DXO Photolab a try - hundreds of colour settings available in the camera body selection menu. Free trial available, also DXO PureRaw.

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Well, yes and no. The "No" part: A sensor and its filters (and in Canons case the DIGIC image processor) also leave a specific footprint in the RAW file. Some models not so much, others (espeically old ones) a LOT. The sensor in itself is of course color blind but not the camera processor that is dealing with what the sensor has "seen". My old 30D vs R7 for example. Using same target and light, same lens, same software, same camera profile, same WB...and they will still look different no matter what. So yes, a brand "house color" can also there in RAW.

Now the "yes" part. In RAW you can tweak your files to infinity. But that is a different topic. If one really likes the old Canon output it's not just about tweaking a RAW file. You need to go deeper. You can probably get quite close if you know what you are doing (that would require custom profiles and/or LUTs) but there is reason each brand has their own colorists working hard to get the color look they want.

Also, if it was that easy in post people wouldn't go haywire about the old 5D "Classic"

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Clearly you have your own experience and interpretation of the “color behaviours” of the older Canon camera bodies versus the newer ones. But my experience is different. I have owned and used most Canon dSLRs from the original 300D and various xxD and xxxD models, all the 5D versions, the 7D and 6Dii, then more recently the R, RP, R5, R7, R8. (No 1D bodies) I do not see significant differences in the colour output that make any one body or range superior or inferior to the others. For the past 15+ years I have used various iterations of DXO’s RAW converters, this may explain why I have found consistency across the various camera bodies.

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Yes, DXO strips most RAW files to their bone and apply their own color science instead of brand profiles. Usually a good thing if you want consistency and of course like DXOs way of handling colors. Personally I don't.

If you really like the old Canon look that is not an option at all. Most use DPP or Lightroom where you have Canons very own color profiles matched.

I have worked with/used 450D, 30D, 40D, 50D, 60D, 70D, 7D, 7D2,1D3, 1Ds3, 5D, 5D2, 6D, 6D2, R, RP, R6, R7, R8. The Canon color science is NOT the same.

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What is your personal favorite models about great color ?I am talking about the 5dii 5diii 5dsr,6d,6d mark ii era...maybe i should take consideration about 5d mark ii,they are pretty cheap now days,someone says it has cartoony colors,someone else says it has most beautiful colors...i read different opinions.I remember once tried a Raw file from 1ds mark iii,i was just amazed...man i was instantly in love with its rendering and output.

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Of those I would probably say the original 6D for colors if you can live with the old AF. The 6D is particulary good in overcast weather. The files get a very warm and bronzy organic look. I almost destroyed my 6D back in 2014 when I took it for a spin on the streets of Manhattan. It was raining like crazy and when I got back to the hotel the 6D was dead. Put it in the closet for two days and then it was fine . Not weather resistant for sure.

The 1Ds3 has glorious files, even better than 6D. But it is old and clunky and the screen is quite poor. But the files...super! One of the best

The 5D2 is a bit tricky. It can look absolutely amazing but it can also get a bit oversaturated or "cartoony" as you mention. It depends on the scene and available light and sometimes the sensor CFA gets into trouble. But overall it renders great with a lot of warm red. Still classic Canon colors.

After 6D I would probably go for 6D2 or 5DSR. Skip the 5D4 - I never really made my peace with its colors.

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I noticed one interesting thing today,i downloaded from Dpreview studio 1 raw file from the original 5d classic,1 from 5d mark iii and 1 from 6d mark ii,all imported in DPP all white balance,6d mark ii looks very similar more to 5d classic and different from 5d mark iii,which i good i think !I look at this color wheels and the color from 5d mark iii are alot more saturated similar which you find in 6d and 5d mark ii,but 5d classic the colors from orange to green are more muted and less saturated the same story is in 6d mark ii,thats very nice !

Left is 5d classic and right is 6d mark ii.

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The problem with color targets like this is that they are done in perfectly balanced daylight (I guess?) so the difference between models is less obvious. The original 5D had a CFA that really worked well in any light if you ask me. Especially in daylight. So while the 6D2 and 5D might be similar in some scenarios the difference could be much bigger "out in the field".

That said - the 6D2 does indeed paint a great picture with good color balance and the right amount of saturation. The original 6D in daylight can - as you mentioned - appear a bit saturated with Canons profiles and I am not crazy about how it renders blues and purples. But overall a great contender. And of course, with a different profile it's a different story.

Interesting. I haven't used 6D2 for many years so I might rebuy it again. In studio a DSLR is still king.

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Yes,blue and purples with 6d and 5d mark iii are more warm,but 6d mark ii blues are more like 5dsr...maybe 6d mark ii is mix ot 5dsr,1ds mark iii something in that direction which i like...also i like the warm magenta+slighly red tint in 6d mark ii.Maybe i will buy it soon...will see.

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K1 with 30d dcp profile and slightly tweaked to be more consisten vs real 30d Canon...not bad i'd think ?

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Yeah I've experimented with that as well (changing the model in DCP profile). Works pretty good, especially with Canon bodies. But this also looks good and an alternative to a 30D. Not the same of course since the light and CFA can make it different but still. What I like with this conversation is the blue tones which is very 30D.

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Yes,a think is good alternative...from 30d to 6d mark ii and Eos R for example they all will be different as a color style more or less...maybe this is the same direction,i like it so far...i must go out and take more photos to see what happens in sunset,sunrise blue hours etc.

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Yes, tweaking is needed. When I converted the Camera Standard profile for my R7 I remember a lot in the mid-orange range became almost red. That can be a Canon thing in general but this was quite extreme so I had to turn those back to orange. Getting the skintones right can then be a bit inconsistent (lips too red for example) so I avoid using it when shooting portraits. But for walkaround, street, landscape etc I see no reason not to use it.

Or I'll just take my 30D With the AI upscale algorithms today the files become very useful. But the camera in itself is of course a dinosaur.

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I laso do another ''hack'',i export my Raw file with NO added saturation,and i import it as TIFF in DPP then i add there the saturation,i must admit that DPP saturation makes the Canon look by 50%,it makes huge difference...DPP has one of the smartest way to saturate a image,it does not touch the white,gray and black areas they remain natural...its something similar if you create saturation mask,but alot better !

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Interesting. Never crossed my mind.

Just out of curiousity - have you tried the Cobalt profiles?

https://www.cobalt-image.com/product/canon-vintage-for-adobe/

Not sure how/if they work with your K1 but it might be worthwhile to check it out. I have tried them myself and they do make a difference but I wouldn't go as far as they do when they market them as "just like the original". It's an interpretation and tribute to the old Canon models but it's not magic.

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Never heard before of Cobalt...look very interesting,i should check it !

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30d and K1(with the profile) + Saturation 137% with DPP for booth...

I think that my effort with this profile in K1 has better colors than r6 r5 etc.
Maybe i am wrong,maybe not..who knows

Pretty damn close i'd say.

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Lbs26 said:

Lbs26 said:

boldcolors said:

Lbs26 said:

boldcolors said:

Lbs26 said:

boldcolors said:

Lbs26 said:

Lbs26 said:

boldcolors said:

Lbs26 said:

boldcolors said:

Lbs26 said:

boldcolors said:

drsnoopy said:

boldcolors said:

drsnoopy said:

Lbs26 said:

Hi folks !Long story short...i was a Canon user since when i started in photography,10 years ago..i started with 1200d,70d,6d,Eos R...then i moved to Pentax K1,and it is the best overall camera that i have used in my experience(as landscape photographer).

But the problem now is that i have very strong nostalgia and i crave again for the typical ''Canon colors''...i wish i had them in my K1,anyway...since i already used 6d in the past,i do not want again another 6d,i am confused what to buy between 5d mark iii,6d mark ii or 5dsr.I know that this 3 cameras have the magic from the good old days,not sure about 6d mark ii ?!Main concern is which one of those will have the best colors straight out of it,i want to use only DPP and then export in TIFF and the in Photoshop final small retouch(sharpness,resize,exposure blend etc.).

If anybody perhaps have used 5d mark iii and 6d mark ii or 5dsr and can share some thought about the color science it will be great !

Thank you !

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Are you shooting RAW with your K1? If so, you should be able to adjust your colour settings to pretty much anything you like, in your RAW conversion software The concept of “Canon colours”, “Sony colours” etc really only applies to JPEGs and of course the RAW preview, which is itself a jpeg.

You might save a lot of money and hassle by exploring what you can achieve in software. Give DXO Photolab a try - hundreds of colour settings available in the camera body selection menu. Free trial available, also DXO PureRaw.

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Well, yes and no. The "No" part: A sensor and its filters (and in Canons case the DIGIC image processor) also leave a specific footprint in the RAW file. Some models not so much, others (espeically old ones) a LOT. The sensor in itself is of course color blind but not the camera processor that is dealing with what the sensor has "seen". My old 30D vs R7 for example. Using same target and light, same lens, same software, same camera profile, same WB...and they will still look different no matter what. So yes, a brand "house color" can also there in RAW.

Now the "yes" part. In RAW you can tweak your files to infinity. But that is a different topic. If one really likes the old Canon output it's not just about tweaking a RAW file. You need to go deeper. You can probably get quite close if you know what you are doing (that would require custom profiles and/or LUTs) but there is reason each brand has their own colorists working hard to get the color look they want.

Also, if it was that easy in post people wouldn't go haywire about the old 5D "Classic"

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Clearly you have your own experience and interpretation of the “color behaviours” of the older Canon camera bodies versus the newer ones. But my experience is different. I have owned and used most Canon dSLRs from the original 300D and various xxD and xxxD models, all the 5D versions, the 7D and 6Dii, then more recently the R, RP, R5, R7, R8. (No 1D bodies) I do not see significant differences in the colour output that make any one body or range superior or inferior to the others. For the past 15+ years I have used various iterations of DXO’s RAW converters, this may explain why I have found consistency across the various camera bodies.

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Yes, DXO strips most RAW files to their bone and apply their own color science instead of brand profiles. Usually a good thing if you want consistency and of course like DXOs way of handling colors. Personally I don't.

If you really like the old Canon look that is not an option at all. Most use DPP or Lightroom where you have Canons very own color profiles matched.

I have worked with/used 450D, 30D, 40D, 50D, 60D, 70D, 7D, 7D2,1D3, 1Ds3, 5D, 5D2, 6D, 6D2, R, RP, R6, R7, R8. The Canon color science is NOT the same.

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What is your personal favorite models about great color ?I am talking about the 5dii 5diii 5dsr,6d,6d mark ii era...maybe i should take consideration about 5d mark ii,they are pretty cheap now days,someone says it has cartoony colors,someone else says it has most beautiful colors...i read different opinions.I remember once tried a Raw file from 1ds mark iii,i was just amazed...man i was instantly in love with its rendering and output.

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Of those I would probably say the original 6D for colors if you can live with the old AF. The 6D is particulary good in overcast weather. The files get a very warm and bronzy organic look. I almost destroyed my 6D back in 2014 when I took it for a spin on the streets of Manhattan. It was raining like crazy and when I got back to the hotel the 6D was dead. Put it in the closet for two days and then it was fine . Not weather resistant for sure.

The 1Ds3 has glorious files, even better than 6D. But it is old and clunky and the screen is quite poor. But the files...super! One of the best

The 5D2 is a bit tricky. It can look absolutely amazing but it can also get a bit oversaturated or "cartoony" as you mention. It depends on the scene and available light and sometimes the sensor CFA gets into trouble. But overall it renders great with a lot of warm red. Still classic Canon colors.

After 6D I would probably go for 6D2 or 5DSR. Skip the 5D4 - I never really made my peace with its colors.

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I noticed one interesting thing today,i downloaded from Dpreview studio 1 raw file from the original 5d classic,1 from 5d mark iii and 1 from 6d mark ii,all imported in DPP all white balance,6d mark ii looks very similar more to 5d classic and different from 5d mark iii,which i good i think !I look at this color wheels and the color from 5d mark iii are alot more saturated similar which you find in 6d and 5d mark ii,but 5d classic the colors from orange to green are more muted and less saturated the same story is in 6d mark ii,thats very nice !

Left is 5d classic and right is 6d mark ii.

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The problem with color targets like this is that they are done in perfectly balanced daylight (I guess?) so the difference between models is less obvious. The original 5D had a CFA that really worked well in any light if you ask me. Especially in daylight. So while the 6D2 and 5D might be similar in some scenarios the difference could be much bigger "out in the field".

That said - the 6D2 does indeed paint a great picture with good color balance and the right amount of saturation. The original 6D in daylight can - as you mentioned - appear a bit saturated with Canons profiles and I am not crazy about how it renders blues and purples. But overall a great contender. And of course, with a different profile it's a different story.

Interesting. I haven't used 6D2 for many years so I might rebuy it again. In studio a DSLR is still king.

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Yes,blue and purples with 6d and 5d mark iii are more warm,but 6d mark ii blues are more like 5dsr...maybe 6d mark ii is mix ot 5dsr,1ds mark iii something in that direction which i like...also i like the warm magenta+slighly red tint in 6d mark ii.Maybe i will buy it soon...will see.

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K1 with 30d dcp profile and slightly tweaked to be more consisten vs real 30d Canon...not bad i'd think ?

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Yeah I've experimented with that as well (changing the model in DCP profile). Works pretty good, especially with Canon bodies. But this also looks good and an alternative to a 30D. Not the same of course since the light and CFA can make it different but still. What I like with this conversation is the blue tones which is very 30D.

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Yes,a think is good alternative...from 30d to 6d mark ii and Eos R for example they all will be different as a color style more or less...maybe this is the same direction,i like it so far...i must go out and take more photos to see what happens in sunset,sunrise blue hours etc.

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Yes, tweaking is needed. When I converted the Camera Standard profile for my R7 I remember a lot in the mid-orange range became almost red. That can be a Canon thing in general but this was quite extreme so I had to turn those back to orange. Getting the skintones right can then be a bit inconsistent (lips too red for example) so I avoid using it when shooting portraits. But for walkaround, street, landscape etc I see no reason not to use it.

Or I'll just take my 30D With the AI upscale algorithms today the files become very useful. But the camera in itself is of course a dinosaur.

Click to expand...

I laso do another ''hack'',i export my Raw file with NO added saturation,and i import it as TIFF in DPP then i add there the saturation,i must admit that DPP saturation makes the Canon look by 50%,it makes huge difference...DPP has one of the smartest way to saturate a image,it does not touch the white,gray and black areas they remain natural...its something similar if you create saturation mask,but alot better !

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Interesting. Never crossed my mind.

Just out of curiousity - have you tried the Cobalt profiles?

https://www.cobalt-image.com/product/canon-vintage-for-adobe/

Not sure how/if they work with your K1 but it might be worthwhile to check it out. I have tried them myself and they do make a difference but I wouldn't go as far as they do when they market them as "just like the original". It's an interpretation and tribute to the old Canon models but it's not magic.

Click to expand...

Never heard before of Cobalt...look very interesting,i should check it !

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30d and K1(with the profile) + Saturation 137% with DPP for booth...

I think that my effort with this profile in K1 has better colors than r6 r5 etc.
Maybe i am wrong,maybe not..who knows

Pretty damn close i'd say.

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Yes, the K1 has slightly more magenta but maybe it can be fixed with the WB tint, just lower it a few notches towards green. Or add a few points of green in the Camera Calibration Shadow slider

BTW! I really like Pentax color rendition in general. I have an old K3 Mark II and love its output. Punchy and vivid. I have never invested in good glass though - using an old 18-55 kitlens and some old manual primes

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