Compact cameras vs. high end cell phones

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I'm curious about the role of compact cameras, for example, the Sony Rx100 line vs. high end cell phones with sophisticated cameras. What advantages or benefits do these cameras provide? For those that continue to use them, why do you do it?
 
I'm curious about the role of compact cameras, for example, the Sony Rx100 line vs. high end cell phones with sophisticated cameras. What advantages or benefits do these cameras provide? For those that continue to use them, why do you do it?
Better IQ and better control. I make heavy use of a compact camera -- Canon G7XmkII. My G7 meets my minimum requirements for bringing home a photo:

a) standard 3 x to 4X optical zoom -- good lens.

b) saves a raw file (not a fake raw file).

c) that raw file can capture 9 to 10 stops of DR.

d) minimum 16mp resolution, prefer 20mp.

When a phone camera can do those four things I'm interested -- I'd be happy not to have to carry the G7.
 
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I'm curious about the role of compact cameras, for example, the Sony Rx100 line vs. high end cell phones with sophisticated cameras. What advantages or benefits do these cameras provide?
Eye-level viewfinders, articulating LCDs, real physical controls, real optical zooms, larger sensor areas, action-freezing and bounceable Xenon flashes, and built-in tripod sockets. Plus, a sense of accomplishment that's missing with phones.
For those that continue to use them, why do you do it?
I enjoy the shooting process more and can get better results than my phone produces. Even if I had a high end phone that could match the results, the process would be boring.
 
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It's more a question of process and user experience than a question of IQ.

IQ doesn't win prizes, creativity does.
 
I think it’s a matter of priorities and what you enjoy about the picture-taking and editing process. Apologies to people who have read this before in my previous posts but I had a Sony RX100 and very good it was too. Then I was given an iPhone 6S by a relative who was upgrading. I was surprised by how good the pictures were. Then, in 2021, a member of DPR posted two pictures of the same scene, one taken on a high-end compact and the other on his iPhone. We both preferred the iPhone shot. Later that year, I bought a new iPhone 13 Pro and after six months, hadn’t used the RX100, so sold it. I’ve dipped a toe back into the water of conventional cameras since, and will always keep a “proper” camera, but my recent trade-in of my 13 Pro for a 14 Pro has confirmed that I will be using an iPhone for virtually all my photography now. I do accept entirely that using a smartphone for photography is a compromise - the RX100 had excellent image quality and phones aren’t as comfortable to use, but my iPhone is always in my pocket and in some situations, handles exposure and dynamic range better than the RX100 might - also, the image quality is good enough for me but not for some people. So, I don’t really think it’s a matter of, OMG, smartphones are dreadful and the RX100 is fabulous; it’s more a case of certain preferences tipping the balance one way or another.
 
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I'm curious about the role of compact cameras, for example, the Sony Rx100 line vs. high end cell phones with sophisticated cameras. What advantages or benefits do these cameras provide? For those that continue to use them, why do you do it?
I carry both my RX100vii and iPhone 14 with me.

The advantages of the RX100vii are;

Better IQ.

Far more control over the results.

Much better ergonomics.

Far faster operation and faster shot to shot times.

Far greater lens focal length range.

EVF.

The advantages of my smartphone are convenience and the ability to send photos to someone else and that's it.

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I'm curious about the role of compact cameras, for example, the Sony Rx100 line vs. high end cell phones with sophisticated cameras. What advantages or benefits do these cameras provide? For those that continue to use them, why do you do it?
It's all in the user's head for the most part. They mostly provide no benefit or road blocks.

What camera did I use to make this image? My Rx100, my cell phone, my Olympus E-m1 or Nikon 850?


Which camera would have allowed me to make it or not allowed me to make it?

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I'm curious about the role of compact cameras, for example, the Sony Rx100 line vs. high end cell phones with sophisticated cameras. What advantages or benefits do these cameras provide? For those that continue to use them, why do you do it?
It's all in the user's head for the most part. They mostly provide no benefit or road blocks.

What camera did I use to make this image? My Rx100, my cell phone, my Olympus E-m1 or Nikon 850?

Which camera would have allowed me to make it or not allowed me to make it?

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Any camera could take that photo. The full size image is 48mp so I suspect it was taken with one of those 48mp smartphone cameras. That said at full size the quality is very poor so this photo would be better reduced to 12mp to save hard drive space.

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I'm curious about the role of compact cameras, for example, the Sony Rx100 line vs. high end cell phones with sophisticated cameras. What advantages or benefits do these cameras provide? For those that continue to use them, why do you do it?
It's all in the user's head for the most part. They mostly provide no benefit or road blocks.

What camera did I use to make this image? My Rx100, my cell phone, my Olympus E-m1 or Nikon 850?

Which camera would have allowed me to make it or not allowed me to make it?

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The full size image is 48mp so I suspect it was taken with one of those 48mp smartphone cameras. That said at full size the quality is very poor so this photo would be better reduced to 12mp to save hard drive space.
Incorrect, but you demonstrate the point of the pointlessness to all this.

The differences between most cameras in the OP's range are so miniscule that whatever anyone points out as an advantage or disadvantage gets negated in a use case and whatever features there are or aren't are so minor that they are insignificant except as a reason for someone to rationalize their personal choice.

World famous images were made using pieces of glass with emulsion smeared on them in a tent in the middle of no where, to Kodak film stock to digital files, all the which one is better is all mostly just mental masturbation. The best camera is the one you have with you and if you're happy with the pictures you make. One thing has never changed in photography in all these years and that is those who are experts on "image quality" are typically technicians and not photographers. We are all lucky that Robert Capa's editor wasn't one of today's image quality experts.





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I'm curious about the role of compact cameras, for example, the Sony Rx100 line vs. high end cell phones with sophisticated cameras. What advantages or benefits do these cameras provide? For those that continue to use them, why do you do it?
It's all in the user's head for the most part. They mostly provide no benefit or road blocks.

What camera did I use to make this image? My Rx100, my cell phone, my Olympus E-m1 or Nikon 850?

Which camera would have allowed me to make it or not allowed me to make it?

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The full size image is 48mp so I suspect it was taken with one of those 48mp smartphone cameras. That said at full size the quality is very poor so this photo would be better reduced to 12mp to save hard drive space.
Incorrect, but you demonstrate the point of the pointlessness to all this.
How could it be incorrect? None of the cameras mentioned shoot 48mp, unless you used some type of digital zoom which usually produces poor results like this.
The differences between most cameras in the OP's range are so miniscule that whatever anyone points out as an advantage or disadvantage gets negated in a use case and whatever features there are or aren't are so minor that they are insignificant except as a reason for someone to rationalize their personal choice.
I disagree. It depends on the type of photography and what you plan to do with it. For example, smartphones are terrible sports cameras. If you put a 24mm lens on your Nikon it also would be a terrible sports camera but at least it can be made a good one with the right lens. Nothing will make a smartphone a good sports/action/wildlife camera.
World famous images were made using pieces of glass with emulsion smeared on them in a tent in the middle of no where, to Kodak film stock to digital files, all the which one is better is all mostly just mental masturbation. The best camera is the one you have with you and if you're happy with the pictures you make.
That argument doesn't hold water when you consider the whole spectrum of photography. Old cameras with glass emulsions were suitable only for subjects that did not move. I'm afraid you are taking only your opinion and use cases when you make such statements without regard to how others use their cameras.

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Glad Henri Cartier-Bresson, Olga Karlovac weren't worried either.

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As for ergonomics how ergonomic was the camera used to create this photograph?



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Technicians are worried about the gear, photographers go make pictures.
 
Glad Henri Cartier-Bresson, Olga Karlovac weren't worried either.
Sure glad Nick Dale, Isaac Grant, Jack Zhi and Peter Cavanagh do pay attention to the gear they use and don't think just any camera can take the photos.




Technicians are worried about the gear, photographers go make pictures.
 
I did my tests, a Sony ZV-1 outperforms any phone ever released in picture quality by quite a margin. I spent hours testing new phones and pixel-peeping images. And i have used a whole bunch of cameras in the last decade.

With a modern 1 inch sensor compact camera, the optical zoom is real, no interpolation. Better flash. Better control and ergonomics. Also better exposure and IS overall. And better lens, of course. The processing is also different, but ultimately the files look much better and are easier to edit.

Phones are ok, but untill they can match the IQ exactly there's always room for a rx100/zv-1.

And i'm writing this AFTER selling my ZV-1 and trying to replace it with a smartphone. Now i have to get another ZV-1, i guess.....
 
I'm curious about the role of compact cameras, for example, the Sony Rx100 line vs. high end cell phones with sophisticated cameras. What advantages or benefits do these cameras provide? For those that continue to use them, why do you do it?
The greatest advantage of a compact camera (or any camera) is that its not a smart phone. Those things are far too smart and have come to own the brains and behaviours of billions of people.

Ask who really owns the smartphones and their "services". It ain't the mugs walking around gawping and fingering at them. The real owners are busy using them to arrange to own everything else in the world whilst we mugs must rent from them: be their wage slaves/cannon-fodder (coming soon); their mob; their flesh robots programmable to perform all sorts of acts in the interests of those blasted oligarchs and against the interests of we flesh robots.

Once they used newspapers but smartphones are so much more effective at duping fools, eh?
 
Glad Henri Cartier-Bresson, Olga Karlovac weren't worried either.
Sure glad Nick Dale, Isaac Grant, Jack Zhi and Peter Cavanagh do pay attention to the gear they use and don't think just any camera can take the photos.

https://www.nickdalephotography.com/top-100-colour

https://www.isaacgrantphotography.com/portfolio/flight

https://www.nhm.ac.uk/wpy/gallery/2024-practice-makes-perfect

https://www.petercavanagh.us/birds-in-flight
Technicians are worried about the gear, photographers go make pictures.
Ah... so what we can say is that photography can be judged by a wide range of criteria, not just pixel peeping. Yes, I would agree.

And I'm guessing if any of those people you admire were around 10, 20, 30 years ago doing photography then the gear they are using today is more advanced than what they were using then, having "better IQ" and yet they still made images then to be proud of, they didn't wait until 2025 to have what they have today to start making images, and yet so many wring there hands over gear here worrying over what is the perfect combination.
 
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I'm curious about the role of compact cameras, for example, the Sony Rx100 line vs. high end cell phones with sophisticated cameras. What advantages or benefits do these cameras provide? For those that continue to use them, why do you do it?
The greatest advantage of a compact camera (or any camera) is that its not a smart phone. Those things are far too smart and have come to own the brains and behaviours of billions of people.

Ask who really owns the smartphones and their "services". It ain't the mugs walking around gawping and fingering at them. The real owners are busy using them to arrange to own everything else in the world whilst we mugs must rent from them: be their wage slaves/cannon-fodder (coming soon); their mob; their flesh robots programmable to perform all sorts of acts in the interests of those blasted oligarchs and against the interests of we flesh robots.

Once they used newspapers but smartphones are so much more effective at duping fools, eh?
 
Glad Henri Cartier-Bresson, Olga Karlovac weren't worried either.
Sure glad Nick Dale, Isaac Grant, Jack Zhi and Peter Cavanagh do pay attention to the gear they use and don't think just any camera can take the photos.

https://www.nickdalephotography.com/top-100-colour

https://www.isaacgrantphotography.com/portfolio/flight

https://www.nhm.ac.uk/wpy/gallery/2024-practice-makes-perfect

https://www.petercavanagh.us/birds-in-flight
Technicians are worried about the gear, photographers go make pictures.
Ah... so what we can say is that photography can be judged by a wide range of criteria, not just pixel peeping. Yes, I would agree.

And I'm guessing if any of those people you admire were around 10, 20, 30 years ago doing photography then the gear they are using today is more advanced than what they were using then, having "better IQ" and yet they still made images then to be proud of, they didn't wait until 2025 to have what they have today to start making images, and yet so many wring there hands over gear here worrying over what is the perfect combination so I can make images.
Of course, they would do the best they could with what was available. But saying that tools don't matter is old tired nonsense. The arts require tools, a musician needs an instrument, a ceramicist needs a wheel and glazes and a kiln, a painter needs paint, etc. You think a concert guitarist is going to Walmart to shop for a guitar?

Of course its not about the tools it's about the work and how effectively the work expresses the artist's intent but tools can't be dismissed. There's a reason a concert guitarist is going to buy a Ramirez guitar and not the one at Walmart. The tools can either enhance the work or tarnish it. Same goes for cameras and photographers.

The phone camera can be fine for some people and many types of photographs. For me it would tarnish my photos and interfere to the point of preventing me from taking the photo I want to take. Stopping me from taking the photo is a line not to cross.
 
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Of course, they would do the best they could with what was available. But saying that tools don't matter is old tired nonsense. The arts require tools, a musician needs an instrument, a ceramicist needs a wheel and glazes and a kiln, a painter needs paint, etc. You think a concert guitarist is going to Walmart to shop for a guitar?

Of course its not about the tools it's about the work and how effectively the work expresses the artist's intent but tools can't be dismissed. There's a reason a concert guitarist is going to buy a Ramirez guitar and not the one at Walmart. The tools can either enhance the work or tarnish it. Same goes for cameras and photographers.

The phone camera can be fine for some people and many types of photographs. For me it would tarnish my photos and interfere to the point of preventing me from taking the photo I want to take. Stopping me from taking the photo is a line not to cross.
We are close on agreement but what separates us the use of extremes as examples.

The cameras in question here are not at the extreme ends of each other but very close together in terms of what they can accomplish based on their abilities. They have much more in common than what they have in difference.

It's quite one thing to show up at a real estate shoot for pictures to be put on the MLS for a home listing with a pin hole camera made from a shoe box versus a Nikon D 850, it's not that much different showing up at a real estate shoot with a Compact camera or a high end cell phone.

Yes, there are some genres of photography that the results will be not attainable without some very specialized gear, but for the other 95% of photography, and the other 99.9% of the population of non-professional photo enthusiasts this just really just isn't the reality. It's self-inflicted wants versus realistic needs, but that's the joy of this hobby for most because it's all driven on disposable income with no pragmatic requirements really, but our own personal whims and fantasies driving what we "need".

In another thread here Flicker reveals the top 10 cameras used for the pictures posted on the site, with only one "real" camera even making the top 10. Flicker boosts a pretty well regarded photo enthusiast user base with a sprinkling of professionals and semi professionals, and something such as this thread where people are pooing a high end cell phone doesn't have enough quality over a high end compact camera... well the high end compact camera doesn't even make this list yet 9 cell phones do.

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Distilling things down to the essence, and yes, to here also to repeat an often recited mantra: it's not the gear that makes a successful, compelling, intriguing image....

What is the real magic behind outstanding photography? Images which captivate the viewer?

IMHO, in a nutshell:

Creativity. The ability of someone to notice and immediately "see" an image, no matter when or where or whatever tool he or she might have on hand to record a particular scene right then and there.....
 
In another thread here Flicker reveals the top 10 cameras used for the pictures posted on the site, with only one "real" camera even making the top 10. Flicker boosts a pretty well regarded photo enthusiast user base with a sprinkling of professionals and semi professionals, and something such as this thread where people are pooing a high end cell phone doesn't have enough quality over a high end compact camera... well the high end compact camera doesn't even make this list yet 9 cell phones do.

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McDonalds sells 6.48 million burgers every day. Enough said. Popularity is meaningless.

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