Is M43 now a niche format?

As far as M43 being niche..........it's been that way for a long time. IMO, OMDS recognizes this and aims it's marketing accordingly.
I wish Panasonic would, they`ve ditched all the compact M43 cameras bar the G100 and stuffed the G9`s replacement into a bottom end full frame body . No wonder used GX9s, GX80s and even GX800s have gone utterly crazy price wise and forget the GM series, almost Collector prices .
My favorite was/is the LX100. A variable aspect ratio based on the 4/3 sensor so not the full measure of resolution, but a delight to shoot either in auto or full control mode and great images.But, it appears that it too will languish as no counterpart to the new Leica version has been forthcoming.
The LX100 II is still close enough to the new Leica version I would think Panasonic thinks. I mean, other than a new EVF, the new Leica version is simply an aesthetic redesign of an old camera.
 
As far as M43 being niche..........it's been that way for a long time. IMO, OMDS recognizes this and aims it's marketing accordingly.
I wish Panasonic would, they`ve ditched all the compact M43 cameras bar the G100 and stuffed the G9`s replacement into a bottom end full frame body . No wonder used GX9s, GX80s and even GX800s have gone utterly crazy price wise and forget the GM series, almost Collector prices .
My favorite was/is the LX100. A variable aspect ratio based on the 4/3 sensor so not the full measure of resolution, but a delight to shoot either in auto or full control mode and great images.But, it appears that it too will languish as no counterpart to the new Leica version has been forthcoming.
The D-Lux 8 innards are the same as the LX100II. The only real difference of the D-Lux 8 is the presence of an OLED EVF, otherwise the output and performance would be the exact same as the LX100II / D-Lux 7
 
Mainly interest from existing M4/3 gear owners but eventually whatever popularity is left it will slowly diminish especially without new models introduced .
 
As far as M43 being niche..........it's been that way for a long time. IMO, OMDS recognizes this and aims it's marketing accordingly.
I wish Panasonic would, they`ve ditched all the compact M43 cameras bar the G100 and stuffed the G9`s replacement into a bottom end full frame body . No wonder used GX9s, GX80s and even GX800s have gone utterly crazy price wise and forget the GM series, almost Collector prices .
My favorite was/is the LX100. A variable aspect ratio based on the 4/3 sensor so not the full measure of resolution, but a delight to shoot either in auto or full control mode and great images.But, it appears that it too will languish as no counterpart to the new Leica version has been forthcoming.
The D-Lux 8 innards are the same as the LX100II. The only real difference of the D-Lux 8 is the presence of an OLED EVF, otherwise the output and performance would be the exact same as the LX100II / D-Lux 7
Thanks guys, good to know. With the D-Lux/ LX100 mirroring model for model, I just thought there would be a newer LX100. I’m currently shooting the OM TG7 as my grab and go compact, comparable image quality and more extensive specialty modes, but sometimes miss the manual controls of the LX 100 I had….and sold, drat!
 
As far as M43 being niche..........it's been that way for a long time. IMO, OMDS recognizes this and aims it's marketing accordingly.
I wish Panasonic would, they`ve ditched all the compact M43 cameras bar the G100 and stuffed the G9`s replacement into a bottom end full frame body . No wonder used GX9s, GX80s and even GX800s have gone utterly crazy price wise and forget the GM series, almost Collector prices .
My favorite was/is the LX100. A variable aspect ratio based on the 4/3 sensor so not the full measure of resolution, but a delight to shoot either in auto or full control mode and great images.But, it appears that it too will languish as no counterpart to the new Leica version has been forthcoming.
The D-Lux 8 innards are the same as the LX100II. The only real difference of the D-Lux 8 is the presence of an OLED EVF, otherwise the output and performance would be the exact same as the LX100II / D-Lux 7
Thanks guys, good to know. With the D-Lux/ LX100 mirroring model for model, I just thought there would be a newer LX100. I’m currently shooting the OM TG7 as my grab and go compact, comparable image quality and more extensive specialty modes, but sometimes miss the manual controls of the LX 100 I had….and sold, drat!
My mother wanted to get into photography, and I thought the LX100 would be a pretty good camera to start with.

I grabbed one for 150 bucks or so... shortly after that, prices shot up to 400+ on the used market 9if not more). Quite happy I got there before the X100V/ small camera hype !
 
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If you're a fan of the move Airplane ! then read the book; Surely You Can't Be Serious. It's a series of interviews of the ZAZ crew and how the movie came to be. Some great back stories in there.

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Just curious....... what constitutes a "serious" photographer?
For starters, someone who gets paid for it. After that, well, anyone who takes their hoby seriously and cannot produce the kind of images they want using a phone. I admit, the definition has a lot of flexibility. My own opinion, of course.

Question: do you consider yourself a serious photographer?
Well, while I am serious about my photography, I don’t consider myself a serious photographer in that I don’t do it as a vocation. I have however, been published numerous times and have won awards in competitions, both of which have generated some payment
Like you, I guess I am serious enough to care about the images I create. And I've been published many times, as well. I also shoot events as a volunteer, and have a couple coming up this fall. For my shooting, well, I need a "real" camera. Cell phones don't cut it for surfing. ;-)



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Just curious....... what constitutes a "serious" photographer?
For starters, someone who gets paid for it. After that, well, anyone who takes their hoby seriously and cannot produce the kind of images they want using a phone. I admit, the definition has a lot of flexibility. My own opinion, of course.

Question: do you consider yourself a serious photographer?
Well, while I am serious about my photography, I don’t consider myself a serious photographer in that I don’t do it as a vocation. I have however, been published numerous times and have won awards in competitions, both of which have generated some payment
Like you, I guess I am serious enough to care about the images I create. And I've been published many times, as well. I also shoot events as a volunteer, and have a couple coming up this fall. For my shooting, well, I need a "real" camera. Cell phones don't cut it for surfing. ;-)

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“Surfer” magazine, 2014 “Will tomorrow's best surf photos be taken with a phone?”

“If an image this clean can be shot with an iPhone 5, imagine what future generations will be capable of.” ( https://www.surfer.com/news/surf-iphoneography ).
 
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Just curious....... what constitutes a "serious" photographer?
For starters, someone who gets paid for it. After that, well, anyone who takes their hoby seriously and cannot produce the kind of images they want using a phone. I admit, the definition has a lot of flexibility. My own opinion, of course.

Question: do you consider yourself a serious photographer?
Well, while I am serious about my photography, I don’t consider myself a serious photographer in that I don’t do it as a vocation. I have however, been published numerous times and have won awards in competitions, both of which have generated some payment
Like you, I guess I am serious enough to care about the images I create. And I've been published many times, as well. I also shoot events as a volunteer, and have a couple coming up this fall. For my shooting, well, I need a "real" camera. Cell phones don't cut it for surfing. ;-)

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“Surfer” magazine, 2014 “Will tomorrow's best surf photos be taken with a phone?”

“If an image this clean can be shot with an iPhone 5, imagine what future generations will be capable of.” ( https://www.surfer.com/news/surf-iphoneography ).
That image is only 2mp. It's barely usable for anything but tiny prints. I would think that for surfing you would need at least 200mm or more optical zoom.

I will add that I once owned an iPhone 6 and it's IQ was barely usable. My new iPhone is much better

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... I guess I am serious enough to care about the images I create. And I've been published many times, as well. I also shoot events as a volunteer, and have a couple coming up this fall. For my shooting, well, I need a "real" camera. Cell phones don't cut it for surfing. ;-)

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“Surfer” magazine, 2014 “Will tomorrow's best surf photos be taken with a phone?”

“If an image this clean can be shot with an iPhone 5, imagine what future generations will be capable of.” ( https://www.surfer.com/news/surf-iphoneography ).
That image is only 2mp. It's barely usable for anything but tiny prints. I would think that for surfing you would need at least 200mm or more optical zoom.
The 2MP image shown here was not shot with a phone. It was a 26MP APS-C camera with a 500mm lens. We can be sure the detail is good in the full resolution version.

The images in the article are only fractions of a megapixel, so it's impossible to judge the quality of the details. Also, they were shot from in the water with short focal lengths.

No phone can do what an ILC with a 750mm equivalent lens can do. The inverse is also true, of course, which is why there are both things in the world.
 
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... I guess I am serious enough to care about the images I create. And I've been published many times, as well. I also shoot events as a volunteer, and have a couple coming up this fall. For my shooting, well, I need a "real" camera. Cell phones don't cut it for surfing. ;-)

69e8a9080402410aabdabd726d02745a.jpg
“Surfer” magazine, 2014 “Will tomorrow's best surf photos be taken with a phone?”

“If an image this clean can be shot with an iPhone 5, imagine what future generations will be capable of.” ( https://www.surfer.com/news/surf-iphoneography ).
That image is only 2mp. It's barely usable for anything but tiny prints. I would think that for surfing you would need at least 200mm or more optical zoom.
The 2MP image shown here was not shot with a phone. It was a 26MP APS-C camera with a 500mm lens. We can be sure the detail is good in the full resolution version.

The images in the article are only fractions of a megapixel, so it's impossible to judge the quality of the details. Also, they were shot from in the water with short focal lengths.
Yes, it was the images in the article I was commenting on. My point being that you can make very compelling surfing images using an iPhone and a POV suited to the phone. You could argue that the limitation wrt focal length actually produces more compelling images (because it makes the photographer be with the surfer) than distant images using a long lens
No phone can do what an ILC with a 750mm equivalent lens can do. The inverse is also true, of course, which is why there are both things in the world.
 
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“Surfer” magazine, 2014 “Will tomorrow's best surf photos be taken with a phone?”

“If an image this clean can be shot with an iPhone 5, imagine what future generations will be capable of.” ( https://www.surfer.com/news/surf-iphoneography ).
... it was the images in the article I was commenting on. My point being that you can make very compelling surfing images using an iPhone and a POV suited to the phone. You could argue that the limitation wrt focal length actually produces more compelling images (because it makes the photographer be with the surfer) than distant images using a long lens
The same kind of compelling images have been shot for decades with dedicated cameras made for use in water or equipped with watertight housings. That hasn't meant they were the best (whatever 'best' means) surf photos, though.

The use of 'tomorrow' in the article title is clearly metaphorical, but there's no reason to think the best surf photos will be shot with phones unless dedicated cameras fall out of use completely.
 
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I am serious

90cce25574c74a839f6c322dbd6c84c5.jpg
If you're a fan of the move Airplane ! then read the book; Surely You Can't Be Serious. It's a series of interviews of the ZAZ crew and how the movie came to be. Some great back stories in there.

:-)
What is ZAZ?
Shoot, sorry. Initials for Zucker, Abrahams, Zucker, the three principals behind the movle.

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I am serious

90cce25574c74a839f6c322dbd6c84c5.jpg
If you're a fan of the move Airplane ! then read the book; Surely You Can't Be Serious. It's a series of interviews of the ZAZ crew and how the movie came to be. Some great back stories in there.

:-)

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---Have camera, will travel.---
I actually have the soundtrack on vinyl. Been collecting Leslie films lately.
 
I am serious

90cce25574c74a839f6c322dbd6c84c5.jpg
If you're a fan of the move Airplane ! then read the book; Surely You Can't Be Serious. It's a series of interviews of the ZAZ crew and how the movie came to be. Some great back stories in there.

:-)
I actually have the soundtrack on vinyl. Been collecting Leslie films lately.
He's excellent in Airplane! along with the others. They had to work hard to convince Peter Graves to appear. He thought it would be a total flop so he took a small sum up front instead of a percentage. Huge mistake.

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---Have camera, will travel.---
 
“Surfer” magazine, 2014 “Will tomorrow's best surf photos be taken with a phone?”

“If an image this clean can be shot with an iPhone 5, imagine what future generations will be capable of.” ( https://www.surfer.com/news/surf-iphoneography ).
... it was the images in the article I was commenting on. My point being that you can make very compelling surfing images using an iPhone and a POV suited to the phone. You could argue that the limitation wrt focal length actually produces more compelling images (because it makes the photographer be with the surfer) than distant images using a long lens
The same kind of compelling images have been shot for decades with dedicated cameras made for use in water or equipped with watertight housings. That hasn't meant they were the best (whatever 'best' means) surf photos, though.

The use of 'tomorrow' in the article title is clearly metaphorical, but there's no reason to think the best surf photos will be shot with phones unless dedicated cameras fall out of use completely.
No, but it does call into question whether “Cell phones don't cut it for surfing” (which what my original response was to)

(To put my cards on the table, all dedicated digital cameras are now niche - I don’t believe they were ever anything else, the big peak of sales around 2010 was just people replacing film compacts, and they’ve now replaced those replacements with phones. But being niche doesn’t necessarily mean worse - the harpsichord is niche, but that doesn’t prevent new harpsichord music being released)
 
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You could argue that the limitation wrt focal length actually produces more compelling images (because it makes the photographer be with the surfer) than distant images using a long lens
LOL, that's a stretch. I wouldn't accept that argument. What do you expect the photographer to do? Take his camera out on a boat or surfboard to be near the surfer? Looking at the size of the waves even a boat would be problematic.
 
You could argue that the limitation wrt focal length actually produces more compelling images (because it makes the photographer be with the surfer) than distant images using a long lens
LOL, that's a stretch. I wouldn't accept that argument. What do you expect the photographer to do? Take his camera out on a boat or surfboard to be near the surfer? Looking at the size of the waves even a boat would be problematic.
And yet that’s what it appears they’ve done with the iPhone 5, and what I’ve seen the output of people doing using (film) Nikonos
 
It seems like a really solid choice for my kind of shooting. The 150-600 on the OM1 body, gives the equivalent reach of 1200mm.

Here's the thing though, besides all the specs in type print, which often don't mean very much, I've seen a lot of really nice stuff taken with that system. If all my stuff got stolen today, I'd probably rent that system and give it a shot. Good chance I'd still go back to my Canon setup, but it's not a given. I really have very little loyalty to any brand. I just use whatever works best for me 👍

But honestly, I think it might do about the same as my R7 + 200-800.
 

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