-
Welcome to the new forums! Please read this first. For known issues we are working to resolve, click here.
Is there a market for a stacked sensor A7C variant - say 24mp?
- Thread starter ray_burnimage
- Start date
Impulses
Forum Pro
And it's discontinued isn't it? (at least that's what B&H says) It was still $2K until the OM-1 II replaced it at the same price point and it's still $1,700 on clearance (I assume) on Amazon... Don't think that contradicts anything I said does it? Neither Oly nor Fuji have brought those smaller stacked sensors down to bodies well <$2K, so there does seem to be a higher cost attached to them still. We're quite a few years out from the debut of stacked sensors now...
Last edited:
ray_burnimage
Senior Member
Thank you, I don't think the Z8, which is the size of a small house, helps here, as I have a pair of Sony A1's already. As per my OP
ray_burnimage
Senior Member
ray_burnimage
Senior Member
Erm, that's no more compact than my A1'sWell, there is the ultimate choice - the A9 III, which is only non-silent when you turn on the fake shutter soundI'm shooting a pair of Sony A1's currently and a pair of A9II's before that.
I need stacked sensors for my professional work on movie sets, where silent shooting is mandatory (whilst mitigating flicker banding and rolling shutter).
For my personal work, which is street (and travel) photography, I've also grown to appreciate stacked sensors for shooting silently from the hip, and generally being discrete.
In the latter case, I had, and cannot get on with, the A7RV. The rolling shutter alone is simply unusable for my kinda stuff in silent shutter mode.
So, if I wanted a more compact camera, that rules out the A7Cr and A7CII for me too.
Concurrently with that, Sony seems to have abandoned the <£4000 stacked sensor market, having apparently discontinued the A9II. So you're left with circa £6000 for A1or A9III with Sony.
That seems to play into the hands of Nikon Z8 and perhaps now the Canon R5II too in the £4000 space.
So, that got me wondering. Who thinks there might be a market for the A9II 24mp sensor in an A7C sized body, with the latest processor, AI chip, IBIS, losesless compressed raw etc? Maybe limited to 15 to 20fps, single card slot etc. Basically a parts bin camera.
Priced perhaps a bit higher than A7Cr but below £4000.
I'd be in immediately, but I might be the only one who is
Price wasn't my primary driver, compactness as a third/travel body is.A little beyond your target pricce, though
As per literally the first line of my OP I have upgraded to a pair of A1 bodies from A9II's. So I don't see how downgrading back to A9II's would help here, when I'm discussing smaller bodies.
ray_burnimage
Senior Member
Sony are running down the A9II, but I've upgraded mine to a pair of A1 anyway. It's not the point of this post. This post is about gauging demand for stacked sensors in A7C sized bodies.Sony doesn’t discontinue camera normally and I see the A9 II at £3,999 the A1 at £5,879 as stackedI'm shooting a pair of Sony A1's currently and a pair of A9II's before that.
I need stacked sensors for my professional work on movie sets, where silent shooting is mandatory (whilst mitigating flicker banding and rolling shutter).
For my personal work, which is street (and travel) photography, I've also grown to appreciate stacked sensors for shooting silently from the hip, and generally being discrete.
In the latter case, I had, and cannot get on with, the A7RV. The rolling shutter alone is simply unusable for my kinda stuff in silent shutter mode.
So, if I wanted a more compact camera, that rules out the A7Cr and A7CII for me too.
Concurrently with that, Sony seems to have abandoned the <£4000 stacked sensor market, having apparently discontinued the A9II. So you're left with circa £6000 for A1or A9III with Sony.
That seems to play into the hands of Nikon Z8 and perhaps now the Canon R5II too in the £4000 space.
So, that got me wondering. Who thinks there might be a market for the A9II 24mp sensor in an A7C sized body, with the latest processor, AI chip, IBIS, losesless compressed raw etc? Maybe limited to 15 to 20fps, single card slot etc. Basically a parts bin camera.
Priced perhaps a bit higher than A7Cr but below £4000.
I'd be in immediately, but I might be the only one who is
You wonder if the price of the A9 II will fall considering that the Z8 is lower but there is already a lower pixel count just under £4000
ray_burnimage
Senior Member
I'm more intrigued by the A6700 than any A7C body as a compact companion to my pair of A1 bodies. But not enough to pull the trigger. I'm stacked sensor or no deal lol!the a6700 with the smallrig grip is beautiful in the hand. readout speed is not bad as well.lol... the Z8 dwarfs the A1/A9 series bodies.
I'd be interested in a baby A1 crop sensor body but not with the A7C / 6700 body style.
ray_burnimage
Senior Member
I'm sure stacked will trickle down at some point. But, having a pair of A1's, I'm only interested id it trickles down to A7C size as opposed to A7X size bodies.Yes please. As I said on the other thread, I’m hopeful that stacked sensors will start to trickle down. I personally think Nikon is right with the Z8 and Z9 that the future is all electric. The reason we haven’t seen that yet is largely cost, though interestingly cameras like the RX100 have stacked sensors (albeit much smaller / cheaper ones).I'm shooting a pair of Sony A1's currently and a pair of A9II's before that.
I need stacked sensors for my professional work on movie sets, where silent shooting is mandatory (whilst mitigating flicker banding and rolling shutter).
For my personal work, which is street (and travel) photography, I've also grown to appreciate stacked sensors for shooting silently from the hip, and generally being discrete.
In the latter case, I had, and cannot get on with, the A7RV. The rolling shutter alone is simply unusable for my kinda stuff in silent shutter mode.
So, if I wanted a more compact camera, that rules out the A7Cr and A7CII for me too.
Concurrently with that, Sony seems to have abandoned the <£4000 stacked sensor market, having apparently discontinued the A9II. So you're left with circa £6000 for A1or A9III with Sony.
That seems to play into the hands of Nikon Z8 and perhaps now the Canon R5II too in the £4000 space.
So, that got me wondering. Who thinks there might be a market for the A9II 24mp sensor in an A7C sized body, with the latest processor, AI chip, IBIS, losesless compressed raw etc? Maybe limited to 15 to 20fps, single card slot etc. Basically a parts bin camera.
Priced perhaps a bit higher than A7Cr but below £4000.
I'd be in immediately, but I might be the only one who is
Now that the A9 is global, and possibly the next A1 (if they can improve DR), I think Sony ought to look to trickle down stacked to the A7 line. Given the challenge that Nikon has thrown down with the partially stacked sensor of the Z6 III I think they need to do something to respond.
ray_burnimage
Senior Member
We think alike
I'm happy with my pair of A1 bodies but can see the appeal of a more compact body. But I cannot go back to a non-stacked sensor camera. So, for now, I stick where I am
ray_burnimage
Senior Member
The A6700 is more appealing to me than the A7C series for the reduced rolling shutter (and a full mechanical shutter). But there's still flicker banding to deal with in silent mode. I've decided I'm never buying a camera without a stacked sensor from this point on, the A1 has spoilt me there.Have you tried shooting with an A6700? It's APS-C but the readout speed is pretty decent. Sometimes I used it for tennis and volleyball and although occasionally it has the rolling shutter effects overall it is very good. Most of the time I used the electronic shutter for model shoots in particular the model walking or running towards me. No effects of rolling shutter there.I'm shooting a pair of Sony A1's currently and a pair of A9II's before that.
I need stacked sensors for my professional work on movie sets, where silent shooting is mandatory (whilst mitigating flicker banding and rolling shutter).
For my personal work, which is street (and travel) photography, I've also grown to appreciate stacked sensors for shooting silently from the hip, and generally being discrete.
In the latter case, I had, and cannot get on with, the A7RV. The rolling shutter alone is simply unusable for my kinda stuff in silent shutter mode.
So, if I wanted a more compact camera, that rules out the A7Cr and A7CII for me too.
Concurrently with that, Sony seems to have abandoned the <£4000 stacked sensor market, having apparently discontinued the A9II. So you're left with circa £6000 for A1or A9III with Sony.
That seems to play into the hands of Nikon Z8 and perhaps now the Canon R5II too in the £4000 space.
So, that got me wondering. Who thinks there might be a market for the A9II 24mp sensor in an A7C sized body, with the latest processor, AI chip, IBIS, losesless compressed raw etc? Maybe limited to 15 to 20fps, single card slot etc. Basically a parts bin camera.
Priced perhaps a bit higher than A7Cr but below £4000.
I'd be in immediately, but I might be the only one who is
Last edited:
ray_burnimage
Senior Member
Fuji has XH2-S. But there isn't a FF on the market for £2000 that hasn't got rolling shutter.
That said, for about £1200 you can buy a used A9 that basically gets you there
ray_burnimage
Senior Member
I'm more than delighted with my pair of A1 bodies. I could never go back. Hence this thread. I'd kind like a compact complementary body, but only if stacked sensor
ray_burnimage
Senior Member
Agreed, plus the Z6III is basically the same size as the A9II, A1 etc. so it's a lesser spec for this body size in 2024 than Sony have been making for yearsAs far as readout speeds go, the Z6 III is still over 3x slower, which limits how usable the e-shutter is across a wide range of scenarios... It's a ton better than the 1/15-1/30 readout of most A7 bodies, for sure, but it's not a revelation either. People that really need the speed will still need a fully stacked sensor...Yes please. As I said on the other thread, I’m hopeful that stacked sensors will start to trickle down. I personally think Nikon is right with the Z8 and Z9 that the future is all electric. The reason we haven’t seen that yet is largely cost, though interestingly cameras like the RX100 have stacked sensors (albeit much smaller / cheaper ones).I'm shooting a pair of Sony A1's currently and a pair of A9II's before that.
I need stacked sensors for my professional work on movie sets, where silent shooting is mandatory (whilst mitigating flicker banding and rolling shutter).
For my personal work, which is street (and travel) photography, I've also grown to appreciate stacked sensors for shooting silently from the hip, and generally being discrete.
In the latter case, I had, and cannot get on with, the A7RV. The rolling shutter alone is simply unusable for my kinda stuff in silent shutter mode.
So, if I wanted a more compact camera, that rules out the A7Cr and A7CII for me too.
Concurrently with that, Sony seems to have abandoned the <£4000 stacked sensor market, having apparently discontinued the A9II. So you're left with circa £6000 for A1or A9III with Sony.
That seems to play into the hands of Nikon Z8 and perhaps now the Canon R5II too in the £4000 space.
So, that got me wondering. Who thinks there might be a market for the A9II 24mp sensor in an A7C sized body, with the latest processor, AI chip, IBIS, losesless compressed raw etc? Maybe limited to 15 to 20fps, single card slot etc. Basically a parts bin camera.
Priced perhaps a bit higher than A7Cr but below £4000.
I'd be in immediately, but I might be the only one who is
Now that the A9 is global, and possibly the next A1 (if they can improve DR), I think Sony ought to look to trickle down stacked to the A7 line. Given the challenge that Nikon has thrown down with the partially stacked sensor of the Z6 III I think they need to do something to respond.
ray_burnimage
Senior Member
Yep, and I've shot with Olympus gear in the past, it's good. But I have no desire to ever run multiple systems and lens kits, or return to M43. I'd rather stick to my pair of A1 bodies and accept that a smaller stacked sensor body for travels and backup might never present itself in Sony (which I can live with).
ray_burnimage
Senior Member
It's all relative, The Sony A1 is tiny compared to Nikon Z8 let alone Z9 and so on.
ray_burnimage
Senior Member
I'm more than happy with my pair of A1 bodies. They are perfect for size/weight/ performance ratio.
My point is that a more compact body would be even nicer for travel and street, but I cannot and will not go back to a non-stacked sensor to get it.
That might put me in a minority of one, hence this thread.
ray_burnimage
Senior Member
Not sure I agree, stacked is still expensive and not everyone needs or wants it.
For stills the A9 from 2017 is still ahead of the Z6III. 1/160th readout in 2017 vs 1/60th in 2024. "Partially stacked" has got the Nikon folk in a frenzy though ;-)
The A1 sensor in an A7C body would be appealing, but at £4000 absolute tops.
All cameras are smaller with a smaller lens mounted ;-)
Agreed, there's a big hole in the price lineup....
R5II is great if you want 2017 rolling shutter performance from A9. And R5II isn't the perfect camera for anyone without the lenses you want to put on it.....
That's why I shoot A1's
Would be good...if priced right.
Disagree, as mentioned earlier.All sensors should now be stacked! m43, 25mp, aps-c, 30mp, FF std. 36mp and FF hr 60mp.Priced perhaps a bit higher than A7Cr but below £4000.
I'd be in immediately, but I might be the only one who is
silentstorm
Senior Member
I agree with you. In fact I'm not greedy, a baby A9ii will do it for me. LOL!! Even if it has only 1card slot (Type-A hybrid).
ray_burnimage
Senior Member
Thank you for your insight. It's good to know that I might consider the Z8 as a more compact version of my Sony A1's ..... ;-)
Keyboard shortcuts
- f
- Forum