The volume of open active threads on M4/3 drops

Some combination of Northern Hemisphere holidays and the site having another go at driving people away with badly designed pop ups. I never used to block ads until they decided to have ones that prevented me using the site in languages I don’t speak for products I’m not interested in.

The static ads are still fine.

I guess that it will get even worse with a paying option as the alternative and I’ll just leave.

Andrew
 
A high level of invasive adds and then endless disable add-blocker popups is going to drive a fair % away.
You need a better ad-blocker. I see none of the above - and never have.
John, are you using a mobile device, tablet, iPad or PC ?

I mostly use an iPad for this site and the ads busted through my older iPad. And now with my newest ipad I’m getting the incessant warning from DPR. My ad blocker has an option to hide from ad blocker detection but I need to subscribe for that.

With my Win11 PC, like you, I none of it

jj
What ad blocker is that?
 
Must be the time of year or boredom from lack of exciting new products being launched.

Not so long ago currently open threads often made it into a second page. Today there are three day old threads on the first page.

But it is still a very busy forum. Not a voice of doom - just noting.
It's dead boring.

No new camera and no rumors. m43rumors.com is full of youtube review, online discount news, with no rumor at all.
 
Must be the time of year or boredom from lack of exciting new products being launched.

Not so long ago currently open threads often made it into a second page. Today there are three day old threads on the first page.

But it is still a very busy forum. Not a voice of doom - just noting.
It's dead boring.

No new camera and no rumors. m43rumors.com is full of youtube review, online discount news, with no rumor at all.
Agree. Boring and a few obnoxious posters makes the forum off putting.
 
Must be the time of year or boredom from lack of exciting new products being launched.

Not so long ago currently open threads often made it into a second page. Today there are three day old threads on the first page.

But it is still a very busy forum. Not a voice of doom - just noting.
Not much new gear coming out from the m43 manufacturers. So no reason to complain about lack of features, inclusion of useless features, too small sensor, too large body, too small body, computational features that are killing traditional photography, just like phones, etc….. and on, and on.
 
Not a voice of doom - just noting.
Many on this forum don't want to hear it, but MFT is on a long downward trend. Two reasons that I can think of: (1) mirrorless is increasingly being targeted to pro and prosumer cameras, and those are mostly FF, with Fuji being an exception. Pro and prosumer use of MFT is unusual these days. (2) Mirrorless ILC is declining in general, because of phones.

When OM System reaches the point when it's no longer a sustainable business, that will pretty much be the end, with a long tail.

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Marc
 
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Not a voice of doom - just noting.
Many on this forum don't want to hear it, but MFT is on a long downward trend. Two reasons that I can think of: (1) mirrorless is increasingly being targeted to pro and prosumer cameras, and those are mostly FF, with Fuji being an exception. Pro and prosumer use of MFT is unusual these days. (2) Mirrorless ILC is declining in general, because of phones.

When OM System reaches the point when it's no longer a sustainable business, that will pretty much be the end, with a long tail.
Well, there IS Panasonic, you know....

Panasonic is putting most of their eggs in the FF basket going forward, but they have been throwing the occasional bone to their M43 customers (G9II is a pretty big bone, and the GH7 is the update to the GH series that all the videographers using the system were asking for...and the G100D update was quite good, even if small). I mean, they've pared their M43 offerings down to what the market seems receptive to, which is smart, and are now focusing their more creative energies on their FF designs. And, they have made their M43 and FF lines ergonomically similar, so users can switch up while using both formats at the same time, without a problem, which is very smart also. So, I don't expect their M43 division to up and evaporate, even if not their front and center focus now.

OM System? Who knows. Nobody really knows what their R&D end is cooking up, which leads to a lot of speculation about their future. But, really, it's a question mark at this point in time. A new body or two, perhaps that had truly new features or high level cross compatibility with the Panasonics, would be a great indication they were actually doing good, new, R&D going forward. But without that, people get worried....

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Must be the time of year or boredom from lack of exciting new products being launched.

Not so long ago currently open threads often made it into a second page. Today there are three day old threads on the first page.

But it is still a very busy forum. Not a voice of doom - just noting.
Maybe some discovered you can also take photos with the gear they write about.
High summer in the Northern Hemisphere perhaps?
 
Some combination of Northern Hemisphere holidays and the site having another go at driving people away with badly designed pop ups. I never used to block ads until they decided to have ones that prevented me using the site in languages I don’t speak for products I’m not interested in.

The static ads are still fine.

I guess that it will get even worse with a paying option as the alternative and I’ll just leave.

Andrew
My irritation is the placement of trap ads for accidental clicks to generate revenue and also those ads that pop up and cover the regular information business of the forum.

A pay site and free moderation services don't mix.
 
Some combination of Northern Hemisphere holidays and the site having another go at driving people away with badly designed pop ups. I never used to block ads until they decided to have ones that prevented me using the site in languages I don’t speak for products I’m not interested in.

The static ads are still fine.

I guess that it will get even worse with a paying option as the alternative and I’ll just leave.

Andrew
My irritation is the placement of trap ads for accidental clicks to generate revenue and also those ads that pop up and cover the regular information business of the forum.

A pay site and free moderation services don't mix.
I don’t have a blocker on my iPad and DPR is so underpowered it can take 3 minutes to make a 6 line post because it keeps reloading and there is a delay while it reposts all the ads. The trap ads just ad to the delay. I note who is advertising and make a little store of brand dislike for each.

Andrew
 
Not a voice of doom - just noting.
Many on this forum don't want to hear it, but MFT is on a long downward trend. Two reasons that I can think of: (1) mirrorless is increasingly being targeted to pro and prosumer cameras, and those are mostly FF, with Fuji being an exception. Pro and prosumer use of MFT is unusual these days. (2) Mirrorless ILC is declining in general, because of phones.

When OM System reaches the point when it's no longer a sustainable business, that will pretty much be the end, with a long tail.
^^^ The voice of doom :-)

Mirrorfull ILC are also in decline, Mirrorless ILC are not unique. Photography as we know it is in decline. It is a hill we've been walking down for a decade.
 
... Mirrorless ILC is declining in general, because of phones.
Really? Are users' expectations for photo quality also declining?

I *might* consider replacing my camera with a phone when one can reach out with 800mm and record high quality images.

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-richard

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It's probably a lack of interest in the topics being posted and debates (yay! we have debated everything there was to debate)

When it comes to posts with questions, I feel they get answered quickly.

In my own case, I had two or three threads with questions in recent weeks. I got relevant answers right away in a day or less. Usually there is a delay on my part to go back home, try the suggestions, and respond. In these cases, I can see why the thread dies in two days (because the question is answered).
 
I've been away for awhile, and noticed what you write when I started again.

-richard
 
Photography as we know it is in decline.
If you mean serious photography, I like to see the data. If you mean photography in general, it's the opposite of decline. Never have so many people snapped so many photos.
 
Really? Are users' expectations for photo quality also declining?
I don't have any data, but based on anecdotal evidence, I'd say yes. Recently I showed friends some travel photos, which I considered to be very ordinary, and they marveled at their clarity, colors, sharpness, etc. They were used to the mush from phones.

As for art photography, I don't think there has been any change in expectations. But people don't consider that to be the same thing as phone snapshots that they take.

Recently friends took an African safari and shot all their photos with their phones. They didn't even think about maybe taking along something better.
 
Not a voice of doom - just noting.
Many on this forum don't want to hear it, but MFT is on a long downward trend. Two reasons that I can think of: (1) mirrorless is increasingly being targeted to pro and prosumer cameras, and those are mostly FF, with Fuji being an exception. Pro and prosumer use of MFT is unusual these days. (2) Mirrorless ILC is declining in general, because of phones.

When OM System reaches the point when it's no longer a sustainable business, that will pretty much be the end, with a long tail.
^^^ The voice of doom :-)

Mirrorfull ILC are also in decline, Mirrorless ILC are not unique. Photography as we know it is in decline. It is a hill we've been walking down for a decade.
Not so much a decline as "not needed" and also with the casual photographers quite happy with their phone cameras. The lack of new killer features to justify updating the same thing with yet another makeover series leaves not a lot to market and as the cost of most product steadily increases due to lower market demand, the demand gets even lower.

We should be happy to be able to buy a camera today that will serve us well for over five years and maybe quite a lot more years after that as well.

The manufacturers see video as being the most likely area of photography so they are pushing this. There are some spin off advantages for stills shooters from video enhancements.

I am possibly wrong but I don't think that there is enough video market to sustain the camera industry on its own.

Stills shooters are seen as "old fogeys" but geriatric or otherwise you cannot make them/us buy a new camera body for enhanced video features alone. Don't write off the stills shooters as irrelevant. By and large the old fogeys have more money to spend on cameras. Furthermore do we really think that we can keep the industry rolling along by regularly buying made-over series of expensive camera bodies be they stills orientated or video orientated unless we can see a cost benefit in exciting new features that make such investments worth while.

Otherwise the update market might be replaced by those merely replacing worn out well-used kit. On that basis the GM5 might be due for a replacement as it has served well for near 10 years now. Arguably they are now approaching end of service life and still remain a unique and desirable niche product.

Consider just how much the confirmed GM5 user has saved by not being tempted by an updated version every few years ... The G9 has had a decent shelf life and I would suppose that the G9II is going to be expected to serve well for at least as long. This makes the annual cost of ownership of the GM5/G9/G9II (and other similar long-lived camera bodies) much more affordable.

It also makes cameras such as the low-cost but quite additive G100 type even more enticing. I am expecting my G100 bodies to last as long as my GM5 bodies. Really? Yes "really". The simpler but effective camera bodies have less need of being updated. The small changes now marketed as the G100D seem a natural in production update rather than a new model type.

My G9 is far from worn out and the G9II is just a very refined version of the G9.

It is hardly surprising that digital camera users are tending to keep their much loved gear for longer periods of use. One might wonder just how many series of made-over versions of much the same thing that Canon and Sony can foist on their devoted customers before they are also forced into less frequent updates.
 
Photography as we know it is in decline.
If you mean serious photography, I like to see the data. If you mean photography in general, it's the opposite of decline. Never have so many people snapped so many photos.
I guess I was a bit vague. "As we know it" means, basically, ILCs both mirrored and mirrorless. "We" being "photographers" both amateur & professional. I've seen several well-sourced data showing declining sales in the industry but have none without researching it now.
 
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Some combination of Northern Hemisphere holidays and the site having another go at driving people away with badly designed pop ups. I never used to block ads until they decided to have ones that prevented me using the site in languages I don’t speak for products I’m not interested in.

The static ads are still fine.

I guess that it will get even worse with a paying option as the alternative and I’ll just leave.

Andrew
My irritation is the placement of trap ads for accidental clicks to generate revenue and also those ads that pop up and cover the regular information business of the forum.
A pay site and free moderation services don't mix.
Yes, that’s something that moderators will likely be thinking about.
Maybe DPR will offer free (and ad free) subscription to moderators

jj
 
Photography as we know it is in decline.
If you mean serious photography, I like to see the data. If you mean photography in general, it's the opposite of decline. Never have so many people snapped so many photos.
I guess I was a bit vague. "As we know it" means, basically, ILCs both mirrored and mirrorless. "We" being "photographers" both amateur & professional. I've seen several well-sourced data showing declining sales in the industry but have none without researching it now.
My guess (also without hard research), is that there are more ILCs made now than ever. However, since the first commercial camera was produced, the world's population has grown almost 7 times larger. So, it would be safe to say that the ILC industry is in decline in relative terms. That is to say, per 100,000 people, there are fewer using ILCs.
 

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