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ive just bought a new a6700 with the so called best af system on the market same as the a7r5. and a new sigma 30 1.4. so the a6700 is a backup camera to my a7iv . today ive been in my studio shooting some test shots to see how good the eye af is with the new af system of the a6700. Im afraid the results are ok when using the sigma 30 set at f2.2. but are perfect when paired to my a7iv. my test images are full body portrait framing then landscape middle framing ,left framing right framing. i then take the 4 images into fast stone and zoom to 200% to compare the images side by side. the problem is the a6700 has the same problem eye af with the sigma 30, tamron 18 300, 18 135 but not the tamron 28 75 g2 🤔🤨 anyone like to share there settings on the a7r5 that work 100% ! my a7iv has no problems with any of my lens even with a totally blacked out studio and the new a6700 is struggleing with all my lights on including the modeling light.

thanks
 
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just spent another hour in the studio and can say that not 1 of any combinations i tried made any difference, and i tried about 30 different combos. i could only get max 3 out of 4 images tack sharp. the a7iv on the other hand could focus a toilet roll and get 100% focused. the a6700 is a good camera just not up to the level of the a7iv with critical focus. is it going to matter for the final print ! no not at all, a little of selective sharpening will be all thats required but its been a good test unless anyone has another set of settings that i may have missed.
 
Finally got it. watched 5 utubes and have the focusing working 100% or very close. it was the aperture drive setting i had it set to the same as my a7iv and changed it to open the lens wide to focus and bingo. funny but even on a 1.4 lens shooting wide still didnt solve the problem. so the sharper bigger pixels on the a7iv doesnt need the lens open to wide to focus acurately even in dark conditions , those big beautiful pixels are used for something 😊
 
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Interesting. Thanks for the follow up.
 
Finally got it. watched 5 utubes and have the focusing working 100% or very close. it was the aperture drive setting i had it set to the same as my a7iv and changed it to open the lens wide to focus and bingo. funny but even on a 1.4 lens shooting wide still didnt solve the problem. so the sharper bigger pixels on the a7iv doesnt need the lens open to wide to focus acurately even in dark conditions , those big beautiful pixels are used for something 😊
If using a fast lens stopped down for dof I find the optional Aperture Drive setting switched to "focus priority" to be invaluable, even on my A1's. It's a great feature and I have it programmed to toggle via a button rather a menu dive because I use it a lot.
 
Interesting. Thanks for the follow up.
Up this morning and into the studio to test the 18 135 and 18 300 , they are now focusing perfectly with that single setting. ive spent 3 weeks trying to perfect the focus on the a6700 . now i know why my bird eye focus was so intermitent as well. I bought the sigma 30 purely because of the fast aperture for AF ,but it still needs that setting to be changed from default. im amazed that the a7iv without it set has never missed a single sharp focus with any lens at any aperture even at f16 🤨
 
Finally got it. watched 5 utubes and have the focusing working 100% or very close. it was the aperture drive setting i had it set to the same as my a7iv and changed it to open the lens wide to focus and bingo. funny but even on a 1.4 lens shooting wide still didnt solve the problem. so the sharper bigger pixels on the a7iv doesnt need the lens open to wide to focus acurately even in dark conditions , those big beautiful pixels are used for something 😊
If using a fast lens stopped down for dof I find the optional Aperture Drive setting switched to "focus priority" to be invaluable, even on my A1's. It's a great feature and I have it programmed to toggle via a button rather a menu dive because I use it a lot.
I cant see any reason now not to have it set to "focus priority" irrelevent of F stop. im not changing the a7iv because if its not broke dont fix it 😁but it does have me second guessing now.
 
Finally got it. watched 5 utubes and have the focusing working 100% or very close. it was the aperture drive setting i had it set to the same as my a7iv and changed it to open the lens wide to focus and bingo. funny but even on a 1.4 lens shooting wide still didnt solve the problem. so the sharper bigger pixels on the a7iv doesnt need the lens open to wide to focus acurately even in dark conditions , those big beautiful pixels are used for something 😊
The aperture drive only stops the aperture to close further than f/11 on full frame

it does not shoot wide open it shoots at the aperture you dial in

So if you shoot at f/4 it will focus at f/4 if you shoot at f/2 it will focus at f/2

When you shoot a fast lens wide open due to the shallow depth of field the focus may shift this why nikon z series focus always at f/5.6 (which has its own challenges)
 
Finally got it. watched 5 utubes and have the focusing working 100% or very close. it was the aperture drive setting i had it set to the same as my a7iv and changed it to open the lens wide to focus and bingo. funny but even on a 1.4 lens shooting wide still didnt solve the problem. so the sharper bigger pixels on the a7iv doesnt need the lens open to wide to focus acurately even in dark conditions , those big beautiful pixels are used for something 😊
The aperture drive only stops the aperture to close further than f/11 on full frame

it does not shoot wide open it shoots at the aperture you dial in

So if you shoot at f/4 it will focus at f/4 if you shoot at f/2 it will focus at f/2

When you shoot a fast lens wide open due to the shallow depth of field the focus may shift this why nikon z series focus always at f/5.6 (which has its own challenges)
Not from what ive read. if you set a lens to f8 and using a f2.8 lens, the camera focuses at 2.8 then takes the image at F8 with "focus priority" set to on. which is what ive set my a6700 to.
 
Finally got it. watched 5 utubes and have the focusing working 100% or very close. it was the aperture drive setting i had it set to the same as my a7iv and changed it to open the lens wide to focus and bingo. funny but even on a 1.4 lens shooting wide still didnt solve the problem. so the sharper bigger pixels on the a7iv doesnt need the lens open to wide to focus acurately even in dark conditions , those big beautiful pixels are used for something 😊
The aperture drive only stops the aperture to close further than f/11 on full frame

it does not shoot wide open it shoots at the aperture you dial in

So if you shoot at f/4 it will focus at f/4 if you shoot at f/2 it will focus at f/2

When you shoot a fast lens wide open due to the shallow depth of field the focus may shift this why nikon z series focus always at f/5.6 (which has its own challenges)
Not from what ive read. if you set a lens to f8 and using a f2.8 lens, the camera focuses at 2.8 then takes the image at F8 with "focus priority" set to on. which is what ive set my a6700 to.
It does not

Just look into the lens and see what it does when you change the aperture

Sony cameras focus stopped down, the focus priority only ensures this does not go to a crazy value if you shoot f/16 in all other situations there is little difference between the focus and standard setting

This means the camera focuses consistently also in video where again it stops down the lens but also sets the exposure. When taking photos the camera does not use the shutter speed dialled but a fixed rate and then compensates brightness

To help the camera in low light the camera will drop the frame rate of the EVF/LCD if you allow it (you may choose not to in which case it will struggle but show you a fluid EVF)

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Finally got it. watched 5 utubes and have the focusing working 100% or very close. it was the aperture drive setting i had it set to the same as my a7iv and changed it to open the lens wide to focus and bingo. funny but even on a 1.4 lens shooting wide still didnt solve the problem. so the sharper bigger pixels on the a7iv doesnt need the lens open to wide to focus acurately even in dark conditions , those big beautiful pixels are used for something 😊
The aperture drive only stops the aperture to close further than f/11 on full frame

it does not shoot wide open it shoots at the aperture you dial in

So if you shoot at f/4 it will focus at f/4 if you shoot at f/2 it will focus at f/2

When you shoot a fast lens wide open due to the shallow depth of field the focus may shift this why nikon z series focus always at f/5.6 (which has its own challenges)
Not from what ive read. if you set a lens to f8 and using a f2.8 lens, the camera focuses at 2.8 then takes the image at F8 with "focus priority" set to on. which is what ive set my a6700 to.
It does not

Just look into the lens and see what it does when you change the aperture

Sony cameras focus stopped down, the focus priority only ensures this does not go to a crazy value if you shoot f/16 in all other situations there is little difference between the focus and standard setting

This means the camera focuses consistently also in video where again it stops down the lens but also sets the exposure. When taking photos the camera does not use the shutter speed dialled but a fixed rate and then compensates brightness

To help the camera in low light the camera will drop the frame rate of the EVF/LCD if you allow it (you may choose not to in which case it will struggle but show you a fluid EVF)
disagree, if you read the manual, if you have the camera set to "settings effect on" it uses focus peaking to show you the wide open DOF focus zone then it stops down the lens when you press the shutter button.
 
Finally got it. watched 5 utubes and have the focusing working 100% or very close. it was the aperture drive setting i had it set to the same as my a7iv and changed it to open the lens wide to focus and bingo. funny but even on a 1.4 lens shooting wide still didnt solve the problem. so the sharper bigger pixels on the a7iv doesnt need the lens open to wide to focus acurately even in dark conditions , those big beautiful pixels are used for something 😊
The aperture drive only stops the aperture to close further than f/11 on full frame

it does not shoot wide open it shoots at the aperture you dial in

So if you shoot at f/4 it will focus at f/4 if you shoot at f/2 it will focus at f/2

When you shoot a fast lens wide open due to the shallow depth of field the focus may shift this why nikon z series focus always at f/5.6 (which has its own challenges)
Not from what ive read. if you set a lens to f8 and using a f2.8 lens, the camera focuses at 2.8 then takes the image at F8 with "focus priority" set to on. which is what ive set my a6700 to.
It does not

Just look into the lens and see what it does when you change the aperture

Sony cameras focus stopped down, the focus priority only ensures this does not go to a crazy value if you shoot f/16 in all other situations there is little difference between the focus and standard setting

This means the camera focuses consistently also in video where again it stops down the lens but also sets the exposure. When taking photos the camera does not use the shutter speed dialled but a fixed rate and then compensates brightness

To help the camera in low light the camera will drop the frame rate of the EVF/LCD if you allow it (you may choose not to in which case it will struggle but show you a fluid EVF)
disagree, if you read the manual, if you have the camera set to "settings effect on" it uses focus peaking to show you the wide open DOF focus zone then it stops down the lens when you press the shutter button.
Just look into the camera when it focusses you cannot disagree with reality but of course you can deny it lol

Live view is a simulation not wha the camera really does and it makes no difference to how the camera focusses

In single AF the camera does not stop down the lens in normal operation however when you focus it stops down at the aperture dialled

In CAF the camera starts already stopped down at the aperture dialled

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Finally got it. watched 5 utubes and have the focusing working 100% or very close. it was the aperture drive setting i had it set to the same as my a7iv and changed it to open the lens wide to focus and bingo. funny but even on a 1.4 lens shooting wide still didnt solve the problem. so the sharper bigger pixels on the a7iv doesnt need the lens open to wide to focus acurately even in dark conditions , those big beautiful pixels are used for something 😊
The aperture drive only stops the aperture to close further than f/11 on full frame

it does not shoot wide open it shoots at the aperture you dial in

So if you shoot at f/4 it will focus at f/4 if you shoot at f/2 it will focus at f/2

When you shoot a fast lens wide open due to the shallow depth of field the focus may shift this why nikon z series focus always at f/5.6 (which has its own challenges)
Not from what ive read. if you set a lens to f8 and using a f2.8 lens, the camera focuses at 2.8 then takes the image at F8 with "focus priority" set to on. which is what ive set my a6700 to.
It does not

Just look into the lens and see what it does when you change the aperture

Sony cameras focus stopped down, the focus priority only ensures this does not go to a crazy value if you shoot f/16 in all other situations there is little difference between the focus and standard setting

This means the camera focuses consistently also in video where again it stops down the lens but also sets the exposure. When taking photos the camera does not use the shutter speed dialled but a fixed rate and then compensates brightness

To help the camera in low light the camera will drop the frame rate of the EVF/LCD if you allow it (you may choose not to in which case it will struggle but show you a fluid EVF)
disagree, if you read the manual, if you have the camera set to "settings effect on" it uses focus peaking to show you the wide open DOF focus zone then it stops down the lens when you press the shutter button.
Just look into the camera when it focusses you cannot disagree with reality but of course you can deny it lol

Live view is a simulation not wha the camera really does and it makes no difference to how the camera focusses

In single AF the camera does not stop down the lens in normal operation however when you focus it stops down at the aperture dialled

In CAF the camera starts already stopped down at the aperture dialled
LOL, do some more testing , you are totally wrong.
 
Finally got it. watched 5 utubes and have the focusing working 100% or very close. it was the aperture drive setting i had it set to the same as my a7iv and changed it to open the lens wide to focus and bingo. funny but even on a 1.4 lens shooting wide still didnt solve the problem. so the sharper bigger pixels on the a7iv doesnt need the lens open to wide to focus acurately even in dark conditions , those big beautiful pixels are used for something 😊
The aperture drive only stops the aperture to close further than f/11 on full frame

it does not shoot wide open it shoots at the aperture you dial in

So if you shoot at f/4 it will focus at f/4 if you shoot at f/2 it will focus at f/2

When you shoot a fast lens wide open due to the shallow depth of field the focus may shift this why nikon z series focus always at f/5.6 (which has its own challenges)
Not from what ive read. if you set a lens to f8 and using a f2.8 lens, the camera focuses at 2.8 then takes the image at F8 with "focus priority" set to on. which is what ive set my a6700 to.
It does not

Just look into the lens and see what it does when you change the aperture

Sony cameras focus stopped down, the focus priority only ensures this does not go to a crazy value if you shoot f/16 in all other situations there is little difference between the focus and standard setting

This means the camera focuses consistently also in video where again it stops down the lens but also sets the exposure. When taking photos the camera does not use the shutter speed dialled but a fixed rate and then compensates brightness

To help the camera in low light the camera will drop the frame rate of the EVF/LCD if you allow it (you may choose not to in which case it will struggle but show you a fluid EVF)
disagree, if you read the manual, if you have the camera set to "settings effect on" it uses focus peaking to show you the wide open DOF focus zone then it stops down the lens when you press the shutter button.
Just look into the camera when it focusses you cannot disagree with reality but of course you can deny it lol

Live view is a simulation not wha the camera really does and it makes no difference to how the camera focusses

In single AF the camera does not stop down the lens in normal operation however when you focus it stops down at the aperture dialled

In CAF the camera starts already stopped down at the aperture dialled
LOL, do some more testing , you are totally wrong.
I dont need to this is the way it works and is pretty well known

the reason why the a6xxx series have worse focus has nothing to do with settings simply tjis method works less well as the sensor size goes down

i leave you to your ignorance of the topic

fyi the only brands between nikon panasonic and sony that focuses wide open is panasonic

i have yet to find canon examples to see what they do
 
Finally got it. watched 5 utubes and have the focusing working 100% or very close. it was the aperture drive setting i had it set to the same as my a7iv and changed it to open the lens wide to focus and bingo. funny but even on a 1.4 lens shooting wide still didnt solve the problem. so the sharper bigger pixels on the a7iv doesnt need the lens open to wide to focus acurately even in dark conditions , those big beautiful pixels are used for something 😊
The aperture drive only stops the aperture to close further than f/11 on full frame

it does not shoot wide open it shoots at the aperture you dial in

So if you shoot at f/4 it will focus at f/4 if you shoot at f/2 it will focus at f/2

When you shoot a fast lens wide open due to the shallow depth of field the focus may shift this why nikon z series focus always at f/5.6 (which has its own challenges)
Not from what ive read. if you set a lens to f8 and using a f2.8 lens, the camera focuses at 2.8 then takes the image at F8 with "focus priority" set to on. which is what ive set my a6700 to.
It does not

Just look into the lens and see what it does when you change the aperture

Sony cameras focus stopped down, the focus priority only ensures this does not go to a crazy value if you shoot f/16 in all other situations there is little difference between the focus and standard setting

This means the camera focuses consistently also in video where again it stops down the lens but also sets the exposure. When taking photos the camera does not use the shutter speed dialled but a fixed rate and then compensates brightness

To help the camera in low light the camera will drop the frame rate of the EVF/LCD if you allow it (you may choose not to in which case it will struggle but show you a fluid EVF)
disagree, if you read the manual, if you have the camera set to "settings effect on" it uses focus peaking to show you the wide open DOF focus zone then it stops down the lens when you press the shutter button.
Just look into the camera when it focusses you cannot disagree with reality but of course you can deny it lol

Live view is a simulation not wha the camera really does and it makes no difference to how the camera focusses

In single AF the camera does not stop down the lens in normal operation however when you focus it stops down at the aperture dialled

In CAF the camera starts already stopped down at the aperture dialled
LOL, do some more testing , you are totally wrong.
I dont need to this is the way it works and is pretty well known

the reason why the a6xxx series have worse focus has nothing to do with settings simply tjis method works less well as the sensor size goes down

i leave you to your ignorance of the topic

fyi the only brands between nikon panasonic and sony that focuses wide open is panasonic

i have yet to find canon examples to see what they do
you dont even own any sony gear. otherwise you would just do the testing yourself.
 
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Finally got it. watched 5 utubes and have the focusing working 100% or very close. it was the aperture drive setting i had it set to the same as my a7iv and changed it to open the lens wide to focus and bingo. funny but even on a 1.4 lens shooting wide still didnt solve the problem. so the sharper bigger pixels on the a7iv doesnt need the lens open to wide to focus acurately even in dark conditions , those big beautiful pixels are used for something 😊
The aperture drive only stops the aperture to close further than f/11 on full frame

it does not shoot wide open it shoots at the aperture you dial in

So if you shoot at f/4 it will focus at f/4 if you shoot at f/2 it will focus at f/2

When you shoot a fast lens wide open due to the shallow depth of field the focus may shift this why nikon z series focus always at f/5.6 (which has its own challenges)
Not from what ive read. if you set a lens to f8 and using a f2.8 lens, the camera focuses at 2.8 then takes the image at F8 with "focus priority" set to on. which is what ive set my a6700 to.
It does not

Just look into the lens and see what it does when you change the aperture

Sony cameras focus stopped down, the focus priority only ensures this does not go to a crazy value if you shoot f/16 in all other situations there is little difference between the focus and standard setting

This means the camera focuses consistently also in video where again it stops down the lens but also sets the exposure. When taking photos the camera does not use the shutter speed dialled but a fixed rate and then compensates brightness

To help the camera in low light the camera will drop the frame rate of the EVF/LCD if you allow it (you may choose not to in which case it will struggle but show you a fluid EVF)
disagree, if you read the manual, if you have the camera set to "settings effect on" it uses focus peaking to show you the wide open DOF focus zone then it stops down the lens when you press the shutter button.
Just look into the camera when it focusses you cannot disagree with reality but of course you can deny it lol

Live view is a simulation not wha the camera really does and it makes no difference to how the camera focusses

In single AF the camera does not stop down the lens in normal operation however when you focus it stops down at the aperture dialled

In CAF the camera starts already stopped down at the aperture dialled
LOL, do some more testing , you are totally wrong.
I dont need to this is the way it works and is pretty well known

the reason why the a6xxx series have worse focus has nothing to do with settings simply tjis method works less well as the sensor size goes down

i leave you to your ignorance of the topic

fyi the only brands between nikon panasonic and sony that focuses wide open is panasonic

i have yet to find canon examples to see what they do
you dont even own any sony gear. otherwise you would just do the testing yourself.]
I own 2 A1 and 1 A7C II you are reaching delusional stage

Do yourself a favour taking yourself out of the ignorance spot you are

Put the camera on a tripod point it to a target and look at the lens

Sony hybrid AF system is the same and it is a known fact that the camera focus stopped down

There are two reasons for this

1, Avoids focus shift

2. It ensures the highest burst speed as the lens aperture blades don't have to move

This is the reason why Sony A1 and A9 have high CAF burst speed and accuracy no other reason

It is a setting optimised for fast moving target shooting with the lens wide open

This system is designed with PDAF in mind you can see that at half press nothing moves

In single AF the situation is different because there is a hybrid system and the camera will switch to contrast detect in desperate situations so it starts wide open then closes to focus and then goes back. You may be shooting a landscape the little movement does not bother anyone and they think you may have a low light situation where you actually want to see the display somehow

This gives you the flutter issue on the EVF where things move back and forth that does not happen in CAF

It takes five minutes and is very educational

The manuals do not tell you what actually happens so if you are reading that it focuses wide open is because you are imaging it . Otherwise please point me to the manual page where it clearly says that

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Finally got it. watched 5 utubes and have the focusing working 100% or very close. it was the aperture drive setting i had it set to the same as my a7iv and changed it to open the lens wide to focus and bingo. funny but even on a 1.4 lens shooting wide still didnt solve the problem. so the sharper bigger pixels on the a7iv doesnt need the lens open to wide to focus acurately even in dark conditions , those big beautiful pixels are used for something 😊
The aperture drive only stops the aperture to close further than f/11 on full frame

it does not shoot wide open it shoots at the aperture you dial in

So if you shoot at f/4 it will focus at f/4 if you shoot at f/2 it will focus at f/2

When you shoot a fast lens wide open due to the shallow depth of field the focus may shift this why nikon z series focus always at f/5.6 (which has its own challenges)
Not from what ive read. if you set a lens to f8 and using a f2.8 lens, the camera focuses at 2.8 then takes the image at F8 with "focus priority" set to on. which is what ive set my a6700 to.
It does not

Just look into the lens and see what it does when you change the aperture

Sony cameras focus stopped down, the focus priority only ensures this does not go to a crazy value if you shoot f/16 in all other situations there is little difference between the focus and standard setting

This means the camera focuses consistently also in video where again it stops down the lens but also sets the exposure. When taking photos the camera does not use the shutter speed dialled but a fixed rate and then compensates brightness

To help the camera in low light the camera will drop the frame rate of the EVF/LCD if you allow it (you may choose not to in which case it will struggle but show you a fluid EVF)
disagree, if you read the manual, if you have the camera set to "settings effect on" it uses focus peaking to show you the wide open DOF focus zone then it stops down the lens when you press the shutter button.
Just look into the camera when it focusses you cannot disagree with reality but of course you can deny it lol

Live view is a simulation not wha the camera really does and it makes no difference to how the camera focusses

In single AF the camera does not stop down the lens in normal operation however when you focus it stops down at the aperture dialled

In CAF the camera starts already stopped down at the aperture dialled
LOL, do some more testing , you are totally wrong.
I dont need to this is the way it works and is pretty well known

the reason why the a6xxx series have worse focus has nothing to do with settings simply tjis method works less well as the sensor size goes down

i leave you to your ignorance of the topic

fyi the only brands between nikon panasonic and sony that focuses wide open is panasonic

i have yet to find canon examples to see what they do
you dont even own any sony gear. otherwise you would just do the testing yourself.]
I own 2 A1 and 1 A7C II you are reaching delusional stage

Do yourself a favour taking yourself out of the ignorance spot you are

Put the camera on a tripod point it to a target and look at the lens

Sony hybrid AF system is the same and it is a known fact that the camera focus stopped down

There are two reasons for this

1, Avoids focus shift

2. It ensures the highest burst speed as the lens aperture blades don't have to move

This is the reason why Sony A1 and A9 have high CAF burst speed and accuracy no other reason

It is a setting optimised for fast moving target shooting with the lens wide open

This system is designed with PDAF in mind you can see that at half press nothing moves

In single AF the situation is different because there is a hybrid system and the camera will switch to contrast detect in desperate situations so it starts wide open then closes to focus and then goes back. You may be shooting a landscape the little movement does not bother anyone and they think you may have a low light situation where you actually want to see the display somehow

This gives you the flutter issue on the EVF where things move back and forth that does not happen in CAF

It takes five minutes and is very educational

The manuals do not tell you what actually happens so if you are reading that it focuses wide open is because you are imaging it . Otherwise please point me to the manual page where it clearly says that
 
Finally got it. watched 5 utubes and have the focusing working 100% or very close. it was the aperture drive setting i had it set to the same as my a7iv and changed it to open the lens wide to focus and bingo. funny but even on a 1.4 lens shooting wide still didnt solve the problem. so the sharper bigger pixels on the a7iv doesnt need the lens open to wide to focus acurately even in dark conditions , those big beautiful pixels are used for something 😊
The aperture drive only stops the aperture to close further than f/11 on full frame

it does not shoot wide open it shoots at the aperture you dial in

So if you shoot at f/4 it will focus at f/4 if you shoot at f/2 it will focus at f/2

When you shoot a fast lens wide open due to the shallow depth of field the focus may shift this why nikon z series focus always at f/5.6 (which has its own challenges)
Not from what ive read. if you set a lens to f8 and using a f2.8 lens, the camera focuses at 2.8 then takes the image at F8 with "focus priority" set to on. which is what ive set my a6700 to.
It does not

Just look into the lens and see what it does when you change the aperture

Sony cameras focus stopped down, the focus priority only ensures this does not go to a crazy value if you shoot f/16 in all other situations there is little difference between the focus and standard setting

This means the camera focuses consistently also in video where again it stops down the lens but also sets the exposure. When taking photos the camera does not use the shutter speed dialled but a fixed rate and then compensates brightness

To help the camera in low light the camera will drop the frame rate of the EVF/LCD if you allow it (you may choose not to in which case it will struggle but show you a fluid EVF)
disagree, if you read the manual, if you have the camera set to "settings effect on" it uses focus peaking to show you the wide open DOF focus zone then it stops down the lens when you press the shutter button.
Just look into the camera when it focusses you cannot disagree with reality but of course you can deny it lol

Live view is a simulation not wha the camera really does and it makes no difference to how the camera focusses

In single AF the camera does not stop down the lens in normal operation however when you focus it stops down at the aperture dialled

In CAF the camera starts already stopped down at the aperture dialled
LOL, do some more testing , you are totally wrong.
I dont need to this is the way it works and is pretty well known

the reason why the a6xxx series have worse focus has nothing to do with settings simply tjis method works less well as the sensor size goes down

i leave you to your ignorance of the topic

fyi the only brands between nikon panasonic and sony that focuses wide open is panasonic

i have yet to find canon examples to see what they do
you dont even own any sony gear. otherwise you would just do the testing yourself.]
I own 2 A1 and 1 A7C II you are reaching delusional stage

Do yourself a favour taking yourself out of the ignorance spot you are

Put the camera on a tripod point it to a target and look at the lens

Sony hybrid AF system is the same and it is a known fact that the camera focus stopped down

There are two reasons for this

1, Avoids focus shift

2. It ensures the highest burst speed as the lens aperture blades don't have to move

This is the reason why Sony A1 and A9 have high CAF burst speed and accuracy no other reason

It is a setting optimised for fast moving target shooting with the lens wide open

This system is designed with PDAF in mind you can see that at half press nothing moves

In single AF the situation is different because there is a hybrid system and the camera will switch to contrast detect in desperate situations so it starts wide open then closes to focus and then goes back. You may be shooting a landscape the little movement does not bother anyone and they think you may have a low light situation where you actually want to see the display somehow

This gives you the flutter issue on the EVF where things move back and forth that does not happen in CAF

It takes five minutes and is very educational

The manuals do not tell you what actually happens so if you are reading that it focuses wide open is because you are imaging it . Otherwise please point me to the manual page where it clearly says that
You are both wrong in the details but both right to an extent. This is how Mar Galer explains it

The three settings are:
1. Standard. The f/stop stays closed as long as it is set to f/22 or
larger (smaller number); and it opens up a little bit when trying
to acquire focus.
2. Focus Priority, where the camera will have the f/stop open about
halfway to allow faster and more accurate focusing, then stop
down to the working setting at the time of exposure. (This puts
it a little closer to DLSR behavior.)
3. Silent Priority. It does the opposite of 2. above; it makes certain
the f/stop doesn’t ever change, whether you’re focusing or
shooting. The camera may hunt a little bit more when focusing,
but at least you won’t get the sound of the f/stop moving like
you do with the Focus Priority function.
Mark Gaeler has not looked into the lens but he can

The focus priority only stops the lens going further than f/11

What does f/stop open halfway mean anyway?

The camera behaves differently in Single AF and Continuous AF anyway in terms of what the aperture blades do

Tell him to do some testing lol
 
Finally got it. watched 5 utubes and have the focusing working 100% or very close. it was the aperture drive setting i had it set to the same as my a7iv and changed it to open the lens wide to focus and bingo. funny but even on a 1.4 lens shooting wide still didnt solve the problem. so the sharper bigger pixels on the a7iv doesnt need the lens open to wide to focus acurately even in dark conditions , those big beautiful pixels are used for something 😊
The aperture drive only stops the aperture to close further than f/11 on full frame

it does not shoot wide open it shoots at the aperture you dial in

So if you shoot at f/4 it will focus at f/4 if you shoot at f/2 it will focus at f/2

When you shoot a fast lens wide open due to the shallow depth of field the focus may shift this why nikon z series focus always at f/5.6 (which has its own challenges)
Not from what ive read. if you set a lens to f8 and using a f2.8 lens, the camera focuses at 2.8 then takes the image at F8 with "focus priority" set to on. which is what ive set my a6700 to.
It does not

Just look into the lens and see what it does when you change the aperture

Sony cameras focus stopped down, the focus priority only ensures this does not go to a crazy value if you shoot f/16 in all other situations there is little difference between the focus and standard setting

This means the camera focuses consistently also in video where again it stops down the lens but also sets the exposure. When taking photos the camera does not use the shutter speed dialled but a fixed rate and then compensates brightness

To help the camera in low light the camera will drop the frame rate of the EVF/LCD if you allow it (you may choose not to in which case it will struggle but show you a fluid EVF)
disagree, if you read the manual, if you have the camera set to "settings effect on" it uses focus peaking to show you the wide open DOF focus zone then it stops down the lens when you press the shutter button.
Just look into the camera when it focusses you cannot disagree with reality but of course you can deny it lol

Live view is a simulation not wha the camera really does and it makes no difference to how the camera focusses

In single AF the camera does not stop down the lens in normal operation however when you focus it stops down at the aperture dialled

In CAF the camera starts already stopped down at the aperture dialled
LOL, do some more testing , you are totally wrong.
I dont need to this is the way it works and is pretty well known

the reason why the a6xxx series have worse focus has nothing to do with settings simply tjis method works less well as the sensor size goes down

i leave you to your ignorance of the topic

fyi the only brands between nikon panasonic and sony that focuses wide open is panasonic

i have yet to find canon examples to see what they do
you dont even own any sony gear. otherwise you would just do the testing yourself.]
I own 2 A1 and 1 A7C II you are reaching delusional stage

Do yourself a favour taking yourself out of the ignorance spot you are

Put the camera on a tripod point it to a target and look at the lens

Sony hybrid AF system is the same and it is a known fact that the camera focus stopped down

There are two reasons for this

1, Avoids focus shift

2. It ensures the highest burst speed as the lens aperture blades don't have to move

This is the reason why Sony A1 and A9 have high CAF burst speed and accuracy no other reason

It is a setting optimised for fast moving target shooting with the lens wide open

This system is designed with PDAF in mind you can see that at half press nothing moves

In single AF the situation is different because there is a hybrid system and the camera will switch to contrast detect in desperate situations so it starts wide open then closes to focus and then goes back. You may be shooting a landscape the little movement does not bother anyone and they think you may have a low light situation where you actually want to see the display somehow

This gives you the flutter issue on the EVF where things move back and forth that does not happen in CAF

It takes five minutes and is very educational

The manuals do not tell you what actually happens so if you are reading that it focuses wide open is because you are imaging it . Otherwise please point me to the manual page where it clearly says that
You are both wrong in the details but both right to an extent. This is how Mar Galer explains it

The three settings are:
1. Standard. The f/stop stays closed as long as it is set to f/22 or
larger (smaller number); and it opens up a little bit when trying
to acquire focus.
2. Focus Priority, where the camera will have the f/stop open about
halfway to allow faster and more accurate focusing, then stop
down to the working setting at the time of exposure. (This puts
it a little closer to DLSR behavior.)
3. Silent Priority. It does the opposite of 2. above; it makes certain
the f/stop doesn’t ever change, whether you’re focusing or
shooting. The camera may hunt a little bit more when focusing,
but at least you won’t get the sound of the f/stop moving like
you do with the Focus Priority function.
you must be using a different camera than me because both my a7iv and a6700 focus wide open at 1.4 and then stop down to 2.8 to take the image. if you owned a studio you can watch on the live monitors what is happening even changing the menu without shooting an image.
 
Finally got it. watched 5 utubes and have the focusing working 100% or very close. it was the aperture drive setting i had it set to the same as my a7iv and changed it to open the lens wide to focus and bingo. funny but even on a 1.4 lens shooting wide still didnt solve the problem. so the sharper bigger pixels on the a7iv doesnt need the lens open to wide to focus acurately even in dark conditions , those big beautiful pixels are used for something 😊
The aperture drive only stops the aperture to close further than f/11 on full frame

it does not shoot wide open it shoots at the aperture you dial in

So if you shoot at f/4 it will focus at f/4 if you shoot at f/2 it will focus at f/2

When you shoot a fast lens wide open due to the shallow depth of field the focus may shift this why nikon z series focus always at f/5.6 (which has its own challenges)
Not from what ive read. if you set a lens to f8 and using a f2.8 lens, the camera focuses at 2.8 then takes the image at F8 with "focus priority" set to on. which is what ive set my a6700 to.
It does not

Just look into the lens and see what it does when you change the aperture

Sony cameras focus stopped down, the focus priority only ensures this does not go to a crazy value if you shoot f/16 in all other situations there is little difference between the focus and standard setting

This means the camera focuses consistently also in video where again it stops down the lens but also sets the exposure. When taking photos the camera does not use the shutter speed dialled but a fixed rate and then compensates brightness

To help the camera in low light the camera will drop the frame rate of the EVF/LCD if you allow it (you may choose not to in which case it will struggle but show you a fluid EVF)
disagree, if you read the manual, if you have the camera set to "settings effect on" it uses focus peaking to show you the wide open DOF focus zone then it stops down the lens when you press the shutter button.
Just look into the camera when it focusses you cannot disagree with reality but of course you can deny it lol

Live view is a simulation not wha the camera really does and it makes no difference to how the camera focusses

In single AF the camera does not stop down the lens in normal operation however when you focus it stops down at the aperture dialled

In CAF the camera starts already stopped down at the aperture dialled
LOL, do some more testing , you are totally wrong.
I dont need to this is the way it works and is pretty well known

the reason why the a6xxx series have worse focus has nothing to do with settings simply tjis method works less well as the sensor size goes down

i leave you to your ignorance of the topic

fyi the only brands between nikon panasonic and sony that focuses wide open is panasonic

i have yet to find canon examples to see what they do
you dont even own any sony gear. otherwise you would just do the testing yourself.]
I own 2 A1 and 1 A7C II you are reaching delusional stage

Do yourself a favour taking yourself out of the ignorance spot you are

Put the camera on a tripod point it to a target and look at the lens

Sony hybrid AF system is the same and it is a known fact that the camera focus stopped down

There are two reasons for this

1, Avoids focus shift

2. It ensures the highest burst speed as the lens aperture blades don't have to move

This is the reason why Sony A1 and A9 have high CAF burst speed and accuracy no other reason

It is a setting optimised for fast moving target shooting with the lens wide open

This system is designed with PDAF in mind you can see that at half press nothing moves

In single AF the situation is different because there is a hybrid system and the camera will switch to contrast detect in desperate situations so it starts wide open then closes to focus and then goes back. You may be shooting a landscape the little movement does not bother anyone and they think you may have a low light situation where you actually want to see the display somehow

This gives you the flutter issue on the EVF where things move back and forth that does not happen in CAF

It takes five minutes and is very educational

The manuals do not tell you what actually happens so if you are reading that it focuses wide open is because you are imaging it . Otherwise please point me to the manual page where it clearly says that
You are both wrong in the details but both right to an extent. This is how Mar Galer explains it

The three settings are:
1. Standard. The f/stop stays closed as long as it is set to f/22 or
larger (smaller number); and it opens up a little bit when trying
to acquire focus.
2. Focus Priority, where the camera will have the f/stop open about
halfway to allow faster and more accurate focusing, then stop
down to the working setting at the time of exposure. (This puts
it a little closer to DLSR behavior.)
3. Silent Priority. It does the opposite of 2. above; it makes certain
the f/stop doesn’t ever change, whether you’re focusing or
shooting. The camera may hunt a little bit more when focusing,
but at least you won’t get the sound of the f/stop moving like
you do with the Focus Priority function.
Mark Gaeler has not looked into the lens but he can

The focus priority only stops the lens going further than f/11

What does f/stop open halfway mean anyway?

The camera behaves differently in Single AF and Continuous AF anyway in terms of what the aperture blades do

Tell him to do some testing lol
The text was from Gary Friedman not Mark Galer, I opened the wrong book. I have both…

I think I’ll take my lead from an established industry legend who has been documenting and teaching Sony cameras since the beginning over the ‘observations’ of someone who looked in the lens when pressing the shutter button.
 
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