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I have a production R5 MK II. I'll be conducting some testing of my own, and I'm happy to take requests and upload RAWs (I'm not too concerned about burning my source), but note that my bandwidth is limited, so answers may not be immediate. My lenses on hand are the EF 24-70 f/2.8 (v1), EF 70-200 f/2.8 (v1), and EF 50 f/1.8 (v2), obviously all adapted. My prior camera I can compare against is a 5D Mk III. Adobe Camera Raw will process the RAWs, though this obviously may be preliminary or generic. I may experiment with DPP.

Test images will be available here:
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1Vkdc_YV1WtWw9FRYJ-Mv5uxKc4xlH1ll?usp=drive_link

As I start making real photos I'm happy with, you'll see them appear on Flickr here: https://www.flickr.com/photos/nrbelex/

PS - Over the coming days, and if he's interested, I'll try to provide Bill Claff what he needs for dynamic range testing per https://www.photonstophotos.net/Collaborations/Dynamic_Range_Collaboration.htm Hopefully my adapted EF glass is sufficient for this purpose.

PPS - Note that I'm cross-posting on both DPReview and Canon Rumors.

PPPS - If you're an established forum member (avoiding Canon trying to catch the source) in NYC and want to purchase the camera now from a Canon authorized retailer, contact me directly and I'll share my source.
 
Nrbelex said:
I have a production R5 MK II. I'll be conducting some testing of my own, and I'm happy to take requests and upload RAWs (I'm not too concerned about burning my source), but note that my bandwidth is limited, so answers may not be immediate. My lenses on hand are the EF 24-70 f/2.8 (v1), EF 70-200 f/2.8 (v1), and EF 50 f/1.8 (v2), obviously all adapted. My prior camera I can compare against is a 5D Mk III. Adobe Camera Raw will process the RAWs, though this obviously may be preliminary or generic. I may experiment with DPP.

Test images will be available here:
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1Vkdc_YV1WtWw9FRYJ-Mv5uxKc4xlH1ll?usp=drive_link

As I start making real photos I'm happy with, you'll see them appear on Flickr here: https://www.flickr.com/photos/nrbelex/

PS - Over the coming days, and if he's interested, I'll try to provide Bill Claff what he needs for dynamic range testing per https://www.photonstophotos.net/Collaborations/Dynamic_Range_Collaboration.htm Hopefully my adapted EF glass is sufficient for this purpose.

PPS - Note that I'm cross-posting on both DPReview and Canon Rumors.

PPPS - If you're an established forum member (avoiding Canon trying to catch the source) in NYC and want to purchase the camera now from a Canon authorized retailer, contact me directly and I'll share my source.
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Thanks Brett.

We wish you lots of fun and pleasure with your new body.

Appreciate your input and ii have had a quick look at your Flickr area and you have some wonderful images. Could fill lots of walls with big prints! 🌟🌟🌟
 
Ephemeris said:
Appreciate your input and ii have had a quick look at your Flickr area and you have some wonderful images. Could fill lots of walls with big prints! 🌟🌟🌟
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Many thanks!

For those who struggled with Eye Control AF on the R3, as Canon mentioned, it is improved on the R5 MK II, but not solved. I could barely register an eye on the R3. On the R5 MK II, I can consistently register my eye, but the target does not perfectly follow it throughout the entirety of the frame. I'm not surprised, but it's a bit of a bummer. I wear contacts and have blue eyes, for what it's worth.
 
Nrbelex said:
Ephemeris said:
Appreciate your input and ii have had a quick look at your Flickr area and you have some wonderful images. Could fill lots of walls with big prints! 🌟🌟🌟
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Many thanks!

For those who struggled with Eye Control AF on the R3, as Canon mentioned, it is improved on the R5 MK II, but not solved. I could barely register an eye on the R3. On the R5 MK II, I can consistently register my eye, but the target does not perfectly follow it throughout the entirety of the frame. I'm not surprised, but it's a bit of a bummer. I wear contacts and have blue eyes, for what it's worth.
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Thanks fella.

I don't wear any form of glasses or contacts but is it a crazy idea to try it without the contact in the eye you use?
 
Ephemeris said:
I don't wear any form of glasses or contacts but is it a crazy idea to try it without the contact in the eye you use?
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Unfortunately I don't think I'd be able to sufficiently compensate for my vision using viewfinder adjustments, but I'll give it a shot. Even if that works, it wouldn't be very practical.
 
I've uploaded RAW and JPEG shots taken with both the electronic and first curtain shutter, all at ISO 100. The first thing I've learned is that nothing in the EXIF data distinguishes electronic and mechanical shutter shots that otherwise have the exact same settings, which doesn't make this all that helpful a comparison. That said, I'm reasonably confident I can identify the electronic shutter shots as they seem to have more noise in the shadows when boosting the exposure. If that's right _88A0031 is electronic while _88A0030 is mechanical.
 
Three big take-aways so far (all of which match my expectations going in):
  1. While the image quality is certainly better than my R5 MK III, particularly at high ISOs, it's not a revolution.
  2. The AF system, on the other hand, is a complete revolution. Having waited a few generations, I suddenly have things like eye detect AF and a plethora of options and modes that I'm confident will increase my keeper rate substantially.
  3. IBIS is giving these old EF lenses a new lease on life. I'm able to hand-hold shots I'd never bother with previously.
P.S. My understanding is the R5 II without the cooling grip has no active fan. It's interesting then that it makes an audible sound in a quiet room, almost like a whirring, whenever powered on, even with IBIS turned off.
 
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Nrbelex said:
Three big take-aways so far (all of which match my expectations going in):
  1. While the image quality is certainly better than my R5 MK III, particularly at high ISOs, it's not a revolution.
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Did you mean 5D Mk III?
Nrbelex said:
  1. The AF system, on the other hand, is a complete revolution. Having waited a few generations, I suddenly have things like eye detect AF and a plethora of options and modes that I'm confident will increase my keeper rate substantially.
  2. IBIS is giving these old EF lenses a new lease on life. I'm able to hand-hold shots I'd never bother with previously.
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For those of us who are on R5, it would be interesting to see what the step up is, having already experienced part of this goodness when moving to R5
Nrbelex said:
P.S. My understanding is the R5 II without the cooling grip has no active fan. It's interesting then that it makes an audible sound in a quiet room, almost like a whirring, whenever powered on, even with IBIS turned off.
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It's probably the IBIS unit. The sensor is floating, so the unit is always active whether compensating for Camera movement or not

See https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/64769664
 
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PicPocket said:
Nrbelex said:
Three big take-aways so far (all of which match my expectations going in):
  1. While the image quality is certainly better than my R5 MK III, particularly at high ISOs, it's not a revolution.
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Did you mean 5D Mk III?
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Yes, thanks, and I'd edit to correct if I could...
PicPocket said:
PicPocket said:
  1. The AF system, on the other hand, is a complete revolution. Having waited a few generations, I suddenly have things like eye detect AF and a plethora of options and modes that I'm confident will increase my keeper rate substantially.
  2. IBIS is giving these old EF lenses a new lease on life. I'm able to hand-hold shots I'd never bother with previously.
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For those of us who are on R5, it would be interesting to see what the step up is, having already experienced part of this goodness when moving to R5
PicPocket said:
P.S. My understanding is the R5 II without the cooling grip has no active fan. It's interesting then that it makes an audible sound in a quiet room, almost like a whirring, whenever powered on, even with IBIS turned off.
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It's probably the IBIS unit. The sensor is floating, so the unit is always active whether compensating for Camera movement or not

See https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/64769664
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That was my suspicion, but I had IBIS turned off. I suppose it may be running in some manner anyway.

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https://flickr.com/photos/nrbelex/
 
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Nrbelex said:
PicPocket said:
Nrbelex said:
Three big take-aways so far (all of which match my expectations going in):
  1. While the image quality is certainly better than my R5 MK III, particularly at high ISOs, it's not a revolution.
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Did you mean 5D Mk III?
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Yes, thanks, and I'd edit to correct if I could...
Nrbelex said:
Nrbelex said:
  1. The AF system, on the other hand, is a complete revolution. Having waited a few generations, I suddenly have things like eye detect AF and a plethora of options and modes that I'm confident will increase my keeper rate substantially.
  2. IBIS is giving these old EF lenses a new lease on life. I'm able to hand-hold shots I'd never bother with previously.
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For those of us who are on R5, it would be interesting to see what the step up is, having already experienced part of this goodness when moving to R5
Nrbelex said:
P.S. My understanding is the R5 II without the cooling grip has no active fan. It's interesting then that it makes an audible sound in a quiet room, almost like a whirring, whenever powered on, even with IBIS turned off.
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It's probably the IBIS unit. The sensor is floating, so the unit is always active whether compensating for Camera movement or not

See https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/64769664
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That was my suspicion, but I had IBIS turned off. I suppose it may be running in some manner anyway.
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Yea it still runs. Provides that more stable display. Perhaps AF requires it also.
Nrbelex said:
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https://flickr.com/photos/nrbelex/
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Thanks for this, I'm thinking of purchasing the R5II but not sure yet as I'm invested in Nikon Z9 Z8.
 
Would you upload a black frame there, ISO 100, speed like 1/125 or so, EFC (not electronic shutter)?
 
Nrbelex said:
Nrbelex said:
Nrbelex said:
P.S. My understanding is the R5 II without the cooling grip has no active fan. It's interesting then that it makes an audible sound in a quiet room, almost like a whirring, whenever powered on, even with IBIS turned off.
Click to expand...
It's probably the IBIS unit. The sensor is floating, so the unit is always active whether compensating for Camera movement or not

See https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/64769664
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That was my suspicion, but I had IBIS turned off. I suppose it may be running in some manner anyway.
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I noticed the R5 and 100-500 just has a constant whirling, IBIS on or off (via the lens' switch). It is incredibly faint, but it is there. I too assume it is the IBIS motors staying primed while the camera is on and awake.
 
J A C S said:
Would you upload a black frame there, ISO 100, speed like 1/125 or so, EFC (not electronic shutter)?
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And a long exposure 60s black frame (with the lens cap on), without Long Exposure Noise Reduction (it should be off by default anyway), to check on the hot pixels?
 
I've uploaded a few more out of camera RAWs and JPEGs here, and I'll look through the thread and try to respond to requests this evening. The goal was generic but realistic shots without shying away from high ISOs.
 
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J A C S said:
Would you upload a black frame there, ISO 100, speed like 1/125 or so, EFC (not electronic shutter)?
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Yes, I've uploaded a series of requested dark frames here (both RAWs and JPEGs).

In order, this includes:
  • 30s, ISO 100, ES
  • 30s, ISO 10,000, ES
  • 30s, ISO 10,000 MS
  • 30s, ISO 100 MS
  • 1/125, ISO 100, EFC
  • 1/125, ISO 10,000, EFC
  • 1 min, ISO 100, EFC
  • 1 min, ISO 10,000, EFC
  • 1 min, ISO 100, ES
  • 1 min, ISO 10,000, ES
  • 1 min, ISO 100, MS
  • 1 min, ISO 10,000, MS
All forms of noise reduction were turned off at all times.

Per my prior note, I'm planning to work with Bill Claff in the coming day to provide what he needs for more serious measurements.
 
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