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That is indeed an interesting machine; notebookcheck did a good technical review.
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Thanks for the review. Have you tried an external 4K monitor?
Windows often has a problem with sleep. Not a big issue for most forum participants, who favor deskside towers, but more so for laptop users. I'm not sure whether it's the fault of Microsoft, wanting to have the machine constantly available for updates, or the hardware vendors, failing to correctly implement power management. (If sleep works for you, great!)
For this I would blame the hardware vendors, or use of a less-than-ideal BlueTooth chip.
The Asus Zenbook 5 16 touted in this thread has a relatively good integrated GPU, Radeon 890M, but maybe not as fast as the one on Snapdragon X. I can't find a comparison.
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Nice user review.
One thing I use on my current win10 laptop when we go to Las Vegas (twice a year) is that I use a USB connection on the laptop to my smart phone and use the phone to connect to the internet. That way I don't have to pay for in room wifi in the hotel. I like connecting via USB to prevent a hacker from intercepting wifi signals (as remote a chance as that may be).
Can your snapdragon plus laptop connect to a phone via USB and connect to the internet that way?
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I've actually not tried this for years. But I just did to answer your question, and it worked flawlessly. With an Android phone and a USB-C-to-USB-C cable.
I usually tether via WiFi.
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I did this morning, with a passive USB-C-to-DP cable, and it worked just as you would expect. Fullscreen 4k YouTube playback did not hitch on the big screen, either.
I had thought this to be a Windows issue in general, too. But having used this device now, I'm inclined to believe that this is actually a chipset/firmware/driver issue and not entirely Microsoft's fault after all.
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The Point and Shoot Pro
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That is usually the case with most issues, but microsoft gets hit with the brown balls because of stuff like this all the time. My system works great. I don't know about others. That's why it's always intermittent when it comes to computer issues using windows....It's not windows, but other factors causing the issue.
Thanks much for taking the time to test it out. That's good news that snapdragon USB tethering works flawlessly with an Android phone since my phone is a Samsung Android.
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This review has some info on that:
https://www.tomsguide.com/computing/laptops/asus-zenbook-s16-copilot-plus-pc-review
but the notebookcheck review has better data on the machine itself.
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I'm on a Pixel 6a, for what it's worth.
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I'm more interested in this 365 processor inside a tablet form factor than this HUGE 16" laptop though. I feel it is more suited for good enough power for portability purposes, great balance of power consumption, processing power and portability.
Check out this Minisforum V3 little wonder running AMD Ryzen 7 8840HS for USD999 32GB ram 1TB storage. Might be a gift to myself this year black fri sales. HAHAHAHA
MINISFORUM V3/V3 SE
This AMD Windows tablet has a built-in IRadeon™ 780M and a 14“ display screen, reaching a maximum frequency of 2700 MHz. It provides excellent performance for a variety of uses, allowing users to enjoy a comfortable experience.
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I would prefer a smaller and cheaper 14.5 in screen version with the Ryzen AI9 HX 370 over a 16 in screen.
Asus is fine, but I prefer 3 USB 4 type c ports (like Lenovo on it's snapdragon machine) over 2 USB 2 USB c type 4 and 1 USB 3.2 gen 2 type A port. One port is lost for the power supply, that leaves only 2 ports. When I transfer data from one fast hard drive to another I only have a 3.2 gen port left for doing this.
Will be interesting to see, how they compare, when software is optimized for the snapdragon, but also for AMD's Ryzen NPU.
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I have a SP11 OLED (Elite X) and COP1 is working absolutely perfectly. I am coming from a core i7 SP8 and I would say it is quicker and more responsive.
I cannot really comment on the impact on battery as I am not editing for 5 hours long straight. But what is great is to have the performance maintained while unplugged. First, it heats much less than the SP8 and you do not see a big drop in performance for instance when exporting hundred of RAW files as it was the case on my Intel Surface Pro ; here, the export time remains basically exactly the same.
I am also using, for what it is worth, the ARM beta version of DaVinci Resolve which works fine (even if the Surface have never been the most powerful video edition machine).
More generally, this is for me a huge leap compared to previous Surface : battery life makes a very significant jump, and it holds its charge while in standby which is a huge plus, screen is great, it is much more silent and using much less the fan as the Intel version and it feels snappier overall without those kind of random slowdown you could have on Intel versions.
For me, this is a killer combo and those new ARM processor are a huge leap forward for Windows laptop / hybrid users.
I think you made a big mistake.
For me, a SP11 with Elite Plus is running circle around a SP9 and cost basically the price you paid for it.
Battery life is in a different world altogether if the SP9 is given has having even worse battery life than my previous SP8. We are speaking of 25% under load...while being MUCH MORE performant on battery (because it does not slow down like crazy like Intel Surface Pro) and more than 40% better battery life in all kind of light casual use (browser, Netflix...).
Performance seems on par with emulation but much better for native ARM application than on the SP9.
And the device is much more reliable overall: wake up without hiccup, does not lose any battery even if not used for days, snappy, ...
Honestly, I see absolutely no compelling reason for 99% of the people to take an Intel Surface, especially at the same price.
It would be interesting to check if the DAC dongle works or not but I would not see any reason why as there is no driver needed for it. Card reader should also work absolutely fine as it does with mine. Same for printer where almost all "recent" printers (meaning in the last 5-8 years) are supported.
So all in all, for me, the SP11 Elite Plus at 1000 USD just killed any Intel previous Surface.
It is crazy to think that a SP8 (or SP9) core i7 with 16Go of Ram used to cost 1700-1800€ here in Europe (with 20% taxes) and the sub 1000€ SP11 Elite + just round circles around those previous top of the line Surface Pro.
Thanks, good to hear.
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Well, I think the mistake is on you.
I replied to bastibe regarding his context on using SP7 for YouTube, Netflix, Web reading and the battery wouldn't last for 2 hours. The SP9 is a much improved version vs the older SP7. I'm not comparing the SP9 with the SP11.
I've read some reviews on the Elite and not convinced. But it's good to hear that the Qualcomm platform is improving. I'm not complaining over better performance with better battery life.
A recent quick look at the new AMD 370 HX has this paragraph:
And obviously, since this is using a good-old x86 chip, you won't deal with any of the lingering compatibility issues that are still part and parcel of a Snapdragon-based system.
If your use have not encountered any compatibility issues, that's great.
Ryzen AI 300 performance review: Impressive CPUs, even if you don’t care about AI
AI gets all the buzz, but these laptop CPUs still get the fundamentals right.
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For me, I'll just continue with the waiting approach till things are ironed out. If I need a thin light tablet computer urgently now, I'll definitely pick up the Minisforum V3 instead, mentioned in an earlier reply (32GB 1TB storage KB included USD1000), don't mind it being not the fastest. BTW, Lenovo has a Elite laptop that claimed to run 29 hrs. That's insane!
Lenovo touts 29-hour battery life for new ThinkPad T14s — laptop features Qualcomm Snapdragon X Elite CPU, 32GB LPDDR5x RAM, and 1TB SSD
Device is starting to roll out in China priced from roughly $1,700.
It's great to see technology progress and improve, plus the prices dropping. Not complaining either.
The Point and Shoot Pro
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I have been bouncing back and forth between what I want in the next few months and I think I am going to be getting 2 14 inch surface laptops with x elite for my wife and I and two base model Pro's for our ipad replacements with the x plus chips.
I am very smitten with the ampere arm desktop systems as well. I am just waiting for MS and Nvidia to get their arm driver set in order. Those arm systems are BEASTS!
I am very smitten with the ampere arm desktop systems as well. I am just waiting for MS and Nvidia to get their arm driver set in order. Those arm systems are BEASTS!
Except it is factually false.
Microsoft Surface Pro IPS Copilot+ review - The base model comes with an IPS display and the Snapdragon X Plus - NotebookCheck.net Reviews
is showing that indeed, the SP9 was a REGRESSION in term of battery life compared to the SP7.
As you can see, in wifi / streaming application, the SP11 is giving between 40 and 55% more battery life than the SP9.
Indeed, the SP9 was almost the worse of all the last 5 years Surface with just the SP8 doing slightly worse.
Those are facts man. This is measured. This not a matter of opinion or having to be convinced.
I am just saying for OTHERS that may believe to make a good deal: a SP9 is WORSE in almost in every way to a SP11...for the SAME price. If it would be significantly cheaper...but this is not even the case as you proved.
What software do you use regularly that you think will be missing on the SP11?
No need, it is working fine.
the V3 is very niche. It has great GPU but ...that it. On the other hand, it is :
- heavier
- much noisier
- battery life is half the SP11
- screen is less bright, has terrible color calibration out of the box (like way WAY off), has a disastrous 16:9 ratio
Honestly, that's a lot to swallow and why it is so niche.
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I think everyone can see you have reading comprehension issues.
Anyway, pulling from microsoft website:
Of course this is comparing Intel with Intel here since SP7 didn't have a ARM option, naturally bastibe has a Intel SP7. And I can't find the SP7 listed in the link you provided.
If you have other sources saying that the SP9 is worse than the SP7 in performance and/or battery life, many of us here would like to see it.
AMD Zen 5 Strix Point iGPU analysis - Radeon 890M versus Intel Arc Graphics, Apple M3 and Qualcomm Adreno X1-85
AMD offers the fastest gaming iGPU. Together with its new Zen 5 mobile processors, AMD has updated its integrated graphics card as well. Top-of-the-range models such as the Ryzen AI 9 HX 370 make use of the new Radeon 890M. We have performed a detailed analysis of this new iGPU inside a variety of laptops.
AMD Zen 5 Strix Point iGPU analysis - Radeon 890M versus Intel Arc Graphics, Apple M3 and Qualcomm Adreno X1-85
Notebookcheck analysis of the new AMD Radeon 890M iGPU compared with the Intel Arc Graphics, Apple M3 and the Qualcomm Adreno X1-85.
www.notebookcheck.net
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At the moment, it seems that AMD built the best laptop chip this year. Which is phenomenal, since the last few years arguably didn't have any very good laptop chips at all. And the Snapdragon chip still isn't bad at all, and the upcoming Intel chip will probably be reasonable as well.
However, the rumor mill has it, that next year, both AMD and Nvidia will release their own ARM-based laptop chips. If that's true, exciting times are ahead! Laptop CPUs going from a de-facto monopoly to an open market with four competing vendors can only be a good thing for us consumers.
However, the rumor mill has it, that next year, both AMD and Nvidia will release their own ARM-based laptop chips. If that's true, exciting times are ahead! Laptop CPUs going from a de-facto monopoly to an open market with four competing vendors can only be a good thing for us consumers.
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