R5 to R5 II for landscapes

Fellow landscape photographers, how to you see R5MKII and what are your reasons to upgrade? Anything on R5 MKII that will be a significant step forward when it comes to photographing landscapes?
I've already commented on that in a couple of other threads, but here's my thoughts again: from the known specifications, there's literally zero improvements for landscape photography.

The resolution is the same; AF features sound fantastic but they're useless for landscapes. Still no GPS.

I'm yet to see the full user manual, maybe there are some interesting features implemented, but I doubt it. Canon never cared for landscape photographers since the 5Ds.

Also I'll wait for the dynamic range measurements. I think we can expect up to 0.5 stops of DR improvement (best case), but there may also be zero improvement.

Also I'd like to see how the new sensor copes with the hot pixel problem.

We may expect (hopefully) the reduced amount of hot pixels, that'll probably be the best thing.

But from the currently known specs and features - the R5II brings zero benefits for landscape photography, compared to the R5. Canon ignores this market segment.
Given that all current Canon cameras can be use to produce excellent landscapes,
... not equally excellent...
this is a very strange statement. A lot of people on these forums are in the grip of the delusion that you somehow need a gazillion pixels to produce a good landscape.
Please don't turn it into "you don't need an expensive camera to shoot landscapes" argument.

My previous comment was all in the context of upgrading an R5 to an R5II.

In the advertised by Canon new features and highlights of the R5II, there's literally zero bullet points targeted at landscape photographers.

As to the previous cameras in the 5-series line, Canon hasn't produced a single camera dedicated to landscapes since the 5Ds. Of course you can shoot landscapes with Canon cameras, but most, if not all, effort is spent on AF and other features relevant to action photography genres.

The set of landscape-specific features is basically the same in the 5-series cameras for many years. There's still no blinkies in stills live view in the R5. Pixel-shift mode in the R5 is a jpeg-only joke. etc.
Not only is the R5 an excellent landscape camera, so is the R6II, the R8, the R7, the R10, the R, the RP (yes, I know this is shocking, but you don't actually need enormous DR to produce a great landscape image),
The more DR you have, the more creative freedom you get when shooting landscapes.
and so on. I'm interested in the R5II for the amazing AF and performance it offers.
The camera looks amazing in its own. As a landscape camera upgrade from an R5 specifically - not so much.
If such things don't interest you, you can count yourself lucky that you have no reason to spend a bunch of cash on a new camera. If you're dissatisfied with the landscapes you're producing with your current camera, you need to work on your skills.
Thank you for a free lesson, but you didn't have to educate me on this area; also you totally missed the point that was discussed above. It was about upgrading an R5 to an R5II specifically. I wasn't taking about my skills, the OP's skills or your skills.
It definitely seems to me like Canon has decided that image quality is largely good enough for now and that seems to have been the case for a while. The efforts indeed appear to be focused on improving other aspects of the cameras so I can definitely understand the frustration from the landscape photographers.
... and the user manual we've just seen confirms there's zero new landscape-related features. It's basically all the same as the R5, no zebra for stills, no GPS (which we knew already), they removed even handicapped jpeg-only pixel shift etc. etc.
 
Fellow landscape photographers, how to you see R5MKII and what are your reasons to upgrade? Anything on R5 MKII that will be a significant step forward when it comes to photographing landscapes?
I've already commented on that in a couple of other threads, but here's my thoughts again: from the known specifications, there's literally zero improvements for landscape photography.

The resolution is the same; AF features sound fantastic but they're useless for landscapes. Still no GPS.

I'm yet to see the full user manual, maybe there are some interesting features implemented, but I doubt it. Canon never cared for landscape photographers since the 5Ds.

Also I'll wait for the dynamic range measurements. I think we can expect up to 0.5 stops of DR improvement (best case), but there may also be zero improvement.

Also I'd like to see how the new sensor copes with the hot pixel problem.

We may expect (hopefully) the reduced amount of hot pixels, that'll probably be the best thing.

But from the currently known specs and features - the R5II brings zero benefits for landscape photography, compared to the R5. Canon ignores this market segment.
Given that all current Canon cameras can be use to produce excellent landscapes,
... not equally excellent...
this is a very strange statement. A lot of people on these forums are in the grip of the delusion that you somehow need a gazillion pixels to produce a good landscape.
Please don't turn it into "you don't need an expensive camera to shoot landscapes" argument.

My previous comment was all in the context of upgrading an R5 to an R5II.

In the advertised by Canon new features and highlights of the R5II, there's literally zero bullet points targeted at landscape photographers.

As to the previous cameras in the 5-series line, Canon hasn't produced a single camera dedicated to landscapes since the 5Ds. Of course you can shoot landscapes with Canon cameras, but most, if not all, effort is spent on AF and other features relevant to action photography genres.

The set of landscape-specific features is basically the same in the 5-series cameras for many years. There's still no blinkies in stills live view in the R5. Pixel-shift mode in the R5 is a jpeg-only joke. etc.
Not only is the R5 an excellent landscape camera, so is the R6II, the R8, the R7, the R10, the R, the RP (yes, I know this is shocking, but you don't actually need enormous DR to produce a great landscape image),
The more DR you have, the more creative freedom you get when shooting landscapes.
and so on. I'm interested in the R5II for the amazing AF and performance it offers.
The camera looks amazing in its own. As a landscape camera upgrade from an R5 specifically - not so much.
If such things don't interest you, you can count yourself lucky that you have no reason to spend a bunch of cash on a new camera. If you're dissatisfied with the landscapes you're producing with your current camera, you need to work on your skills.
Thank you for a free lesson, but you didn't have to educate me on this area; also you totally missed the point that was discussed above. It was about upgrading an R5 to an R5II specifically. I wasn't taking about my skills, the OP's skills or your skills.
It definitely seems to me like Canon has decided that image quality is largely good enough for now and that seems to have been the case for a while. The efforts indeed appear to be focused on improving other aspects of the cameras so I can definitely understand the frustration from the landscape photographers.
... and the user manual we've just seen confirms there's zero new landscape-related features. It's basically all the same as the R5, no zebra for stills, no GPS (which we knew already), they removed even handicapped jpeg-only pixel shift etc. etc.
 
This camera is weird for landscape photographers. Like I said, either in the business model of canon this group of people is a complete niche (which it might be) or there is going to be R5s or something like that.

Maybe Canon gave that segment to Sony. It could be. Maybe they decided to go after a different segment that is more profitable. Neither Sony nor Nikon can compete with R5MKII for what it is. Sony A1 is more or less the same camera, but it is 3 year old and it is 2000 more expensive. A1 MKII will surely surpass R5MKII, but then again look at the price.

The way I see it....either Canon gave up on the segment and see no point in doing a camera that will compete with Sony A7R5 or there is going to be another camera within 1-2 years.

It is obvious that R5MKII is in the same category as A1, just much cheaper!

All is awesome, R5MKII is phenomenal for what it is. It just there is no Landscape oriented camera in the current line up. In reality.....there was never a camera for landscapes from Canon after 5D. Ever since 5D MKII....Canon lost it to Nikon (D800, D810) and then Sony. Maybe they gave this segment to Sony and Nikon indeed. Who knows.

I have a friend working for Sony, but I do not know anyone from Canon to ask. But look at the Top 10-20 landscape photographers....I think only Erin Babnik and maybe some other Explorer uses Canon. Rest is Nikon or Sony. This happened after Nikon surpassed Canon with the DR of at least 3-4 stop back in the days of D800.

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... and the user manual we've just seen confirms there's zero new landscape-related features. It's basically all the same as the R5, no zebra for stills, no GPS (which we knew already), they removed even handicapped jpeg-only pixel shift etc. etc.
Hopefully there will be a higher resolution R camera coming.
Meh, even Canonrumors stopped spreading rumours about it :)
 
This camera is weird for landscape photographers. Like I said, either in the business model of canon this group of people is a complete niche (which it might be) or there is going to be R5s or something like that.

Maybe Canon gave that segment to Sony. It could be. Maybe they decided to go after a different segment that is more profitable. Neither Sony nor Nikon can compete with R5MKII for what it is. Sony A1 is more or less the same camera, but it is 3 year old and it is 2000 more expensive. A1 MKII will surely surpass R5MKII, but then again look at the price.

The way I see it....either Canon gave up on the segment and see no point in doing a camera that will compete with Sony A7R5 or there is going to be another camera within 1-2 years.

It is obvious that R5MKII is in the same category as A1, just much cheaper!

All is awesome, R5MKII is phenomenal for what it is. It just there is no Landscape oriented camera in the current line up. In reality.....there was never a camera for landscapes from Canon after 5D. Ever since 5D MKII....Canon lost it to Nikon (D800, D810) and then Sony. Maybe they gave this segment to Sony and Nikon indeed. Who knows.

I have a friend working for Sony, but I do not know anyone from Canon to ask. But look at the Top 10-20 landscape photographers....I think only Erin Babnik and maybe some other Explorer uses Canon. Rest is Nikon or Sony. This happened after Nikon surpassed Canon with the DR of at least 3-4 stop back in the days of D800.
 
There is no obvious advantage for landscape photography.

I use my R5 a lot for landscape and architecture. I see no advantage for these genres, and despite what some others may say, I don’t need more than 45MP. Even if you make enormous prints, 61MP offers little advantage over 45 (only 16% increase in linear resolution). Most landscape work is tripod based, and exposures made at low ISO. The R5 is excellent for this, but as others have commented, so are many other cameras. A built in GPS would have been useful but neither the R5 nor R5ii have it.

Of course I use it for other things too, and that is where differences may matter more.
 
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BSI sensor +1 for Landscape (DR gain)

Stacked sensor -1 for landscape ( often reduced DR and gain in speed)

Why not try Sony A7RV 61 MP with great DR good for landscape with hugh lensselection.
The term stacked is just a high tech assembly method that can stack multiple pieces of silicon together. Without knowing exactly what components are stacked and how they are stacked - it is hard to tell whether it can affect DR.

Sensor stacking technology is definitely much improved compare to a few year ago.

Stacked sensor obviously has shorter signal paths between components

Shorter signal paths can increase speed for sure.

Another benefit of shorter signal paths is this can help to reduce crosstalk noises picked up along the signal paths - possibly helps to improve DR

On the flip side, crosstalk between components in close proximity is higher.

So it really depends on how well the stacked sensor is designed and manufactured
 
... in fact, I actually don't want a stacked sensor in my landscape camera.
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I'm curious. Is there a down side to using a stacked sensor for landscapes, or is it just personal preference? Cost of the stacked sensor possibly?

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I think that @Wing2 answered my question further along in the thread.
 
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... in fact, I actually don't want a stacked sensor in my landscape camera.
<snip>

I'm curious. Is there a down side to using a stacked sensor for landscapes, or is it just personal preference? Cost of the stacked sensor possibly?

Edit

I think that @Wing2 answered my question further along in the thread.
There is a lot of test showing Stacked sensor takes a hit on DR, so now you are paying more for a sensor that is giving you some disadvantage for the specific application you are buying the camera for, technologies are evolving, ( myself in semiconductor chip industry ), my comment was based on the "older stuff" like Z7 and Z9 I have. this new Stacked Sensor can be totally different, who knows, will have to wait and see the test result.
 
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... in fact, I actually don't want a stacked sensor in my landscape camera.
<snip>

I'm curious. Is there a down side to using a stacked sensor for landscapes, or is it just personal preference? Cost of the stacked sensor possibly?

Edit

I think that @Wing2 answered my question further along in the thread.
There is a lot of test showing Stacked sensor takes a hit on DR, so now you are paying more for a sensor that is giving you some disadvantage for the specific application you are buying the camera for, technologies are evolving, ( myself in semiconductor chip industry ), my comment was based on the "older stuff" like Z7 and Z9 I have. this new Stacked Sensor can be totally different, who knows, will have to wait and see the test result.
Thanks for the information. Yes, we'll need to see how it stacks up in the testing (pun intended).
 
Not a very competent video, he doesn't fully understand what he's talking about (which often happens on YouTube) and provides some false information.

Also, the video is simply irrelevant to this topic. Both R5 and R5II have the same amount of pixels...
 
The only one advantage I see on R5 Mark ll is the 14 bit on ES, I shoot a lot on ES with my R5 including landscape and the R5 dot it in 12 Bit.

But tbh until this day never ever noticed any difference between a 12 and 14 bit file
 
Not a very competent video, he doesn't fully understand what he's talking about (which often happens on YouTube) and provides some false information.

Also, the video is simply irrelevant to this topic. Both R5 and R5II have the same amount of pixels...
Yeah it was late and I hit the wrong button. I can't edit or delete.
 
The only one advantage I see on R5 Mark ll is the 14 bit on ES, I shoot a lot on ES with my R5 including landscape and the R5 dot it in 12 Bit.

But tbh until this day never ever noticed any difference between a 12 and 14 bit file
https://photographylife.com/14-bit-vs-12-bit-raw
Thank you for this link just proves my point 12-14 Bit no difference at all... which makes the R5 Mark 2 less appealing to us landscape photographers
I know I would not get the R5II for landscapes only unless I had unlimited funds. If I needed it for sports, birding, etc then I'd think about it.
 
Somehow I believe something will change. It cannot be that Canon will not raise the resolution above 45MP for the next 5 years (R5 MKII life cycle). I sense there will be R5s in the next 1-2 years. I will not upgrade to MKII and will wait for a higher MP camera. It must come and it will.
I think a resolution focus camera sacrificing some of the speed goodies may be on the cards at some point. But if 5Ds is anything to go by, it may not be a priority for Canon. It's not just that Canon doesn't care, it also has to likely do with that not enough buyers care as much when it comes to whatever gets traded off in the process. Canon is likely going with where the demand is and prioritizing based on that. But yet, things lower in priority do happen at some point, just a bit with lower priority

There is also a conundrum of FF vs MF. No matter what Canon does, a FF will not be able to compete with a good MF one on parameters in question here. So there is a good risk of putting something out and many of the users who are not seeing value in current lineup still gravitating towards MF. That's a lose lose, so there is not a huge incentive compared to putting all rounded bodies like the current lineup, or niche ones that other formats cannot easily compete on
 

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