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bakubo said:
ArtIsRight: Surface Snapdragon X Pro Photo Test

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"Not decisive and conclusive" if you are a casual user, there's a big 'BUT' that requires many more developers to jump into ARM native support while concurrently supporting x86.

"Don't" if you are a pro relying on computers for content creation or photography business, stick to more matured tech from Intel and AMD.

For me, my interpretation is still the same as my earlier reply, this ARM windows is not ready for primetime yet. It requires both hardware and software to work together, not just a few selected benchmarks and software running. For both video and stills professional work, the basic is to calibrate the screens, and for 2D graphics/3D artistes, they also need to get the Wacom tablet working.

The best is to just wait for ARM to be more matured in the coming 12 months.
 
silentstorm said:
bakubo said:
ArtIsRight: Surface Snapdragon X Pro Photo Test

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"Not decisive and conclusive" if you are a casual user, there's a big 'BUT' that requires many more developers to jump into ARM native support while concurrently supporting x86.

"Don't" if you are a pro relying on computers for content creation or photography business, stick to more matured tech from Intel and AMD.

For me, my interpretation is still the same as my earlier reply, this ARM windows is not ready for primetime yet. It requires both hardware and software to work together, not just a few selected benchmarks and software running. For both video and stills professional work, the basic is to calibrate the screens, and for 2D graphics/3D artistes, they also need to get the Wacom tablet working.

The best is to just wait for ARM to be more matured in the coming 12 months.
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Agreed 100 percent after doing alot of reading about the platform. Plus, everyone knows intel/amd are not sitting there with their thumbs up their bum. They have new stuff thats going to be REALLY good in the next year or two as well. I am waiting it out for a little while longer before upgrading my systems.
 
I now have used my Surface Pro 11 (base model) for about a week. It's great, actually!

My use case is mostly traditional tablet fare: YouTube, Netflix, Web reading. But not with stupidly limited apps, but a real browser. One with real extensions (ad-block! Sponsorblock! Consent-o-Matic!) and real tabs (for, say, queuing more than one video on YouTube).

As a side dish, I use my tablet occasionally as an emergency laptop while I'm on the road. It actually runs Lightroom very well, in a pinch. A light bit of gaming is perfectly reasonable, too.

For this use case, the Snapdragon ARM processor is no problem at all. Battery life is infinitely improved compared to my previous Surface Pro 7, and performance actually makes it a usable laptop. Where my Pro7 could run about two hours of YouTube on a full charge, the Pro 11 easily lasts six or eight hours. Not iPad territory, but easily enough for what I need (A dedicated YouTube app would undoubtedly last much longer than the browser).

To say nothing of how FINALLY, the Snapdragon has a sane Bluetooth implementation that behaves like phones (disconnect on sleep), not Windows (🤬). This feature alone may have been worth the price of the device for me.
 
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I now have used my Surface Pro 11 (base model) for about a week. It's great, actually!

My use case is mostly traditional tablet fare: YouTube, Netflix, Web reading. But not with stupidly limited apps, but a real browser. One with real extensions (ad-block! Sponsorblock! Consent-o-Matic!) and real tabs (for, say, queuing more than one video on YouTube).

As a side dish, I use my tablet occasionally as an emergency laptop while I'm on the road. It actually runs Lightroom very well, in a pinch. A light bit of gaming is perfectly reasonable, too.

For this use case, the Snapdragon ARM processor is no problem at all. Battery life is infinitely improved compared to my previous Surface Pro 7, and performance actually makes it a usable laptop. Where my Pro7 could run about two hours of YouTube on a full charge, the Pro 11 easily lasts six or eight hours. Not iPad territory, but easily enough for what I need (A dedicated YouTube app would undoubtedly last much longer than the browser).

To say nothing of how FINALLY, the Snapdragon has a sane Bluetooth implementation that behaves like phones (disconnect on sleep), not Windows (🤬). This feature alone may have been worth the price of the device for me.
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I was sitting outside with my dog on my ipad yesterday and told the wifey the exact same thing. After some use of the ipad, the surface pro X elite should be a killer device compared to the iPad being gimped by iOS. No extensions on the browser, limited apps etc.
 
bastibe said:
Battery life is infinitely improved compared to my previous Surface Pro 7, and performance actually makes it a usable laptop. Where my Pro7 could run about two hours of YouTube on a full charge, the Pro 11 easily lasts six or eight hours.
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I bought a Surface Pro 9 last year Black Fri sales for USD1050, it's running on intel i7 1255U cpu with 16GB ram. All those Netflix, utube, online shopping, news reading, etc. tasks that you do can run for 6 hrs straight on a full charge without needing power plug.

I like it's form factor, size and it's weight. Even with a KB and stylus, it's less than 1kg. Full win11 Pro OS, great beautiful screen and 2 type-c ports.

I don't do heavy data crunching on it, and it's a very portable and capable laptop on-the-go. Simple usage on Photoshop, Illustrator and Premiere Pro runs just fine. Compatible with my existing printer, LAN dongle, USB dac dongle and card reader.

I'm also waiting for such a form factor laptop next year when Lunar Lake or Panther Lake becomes mainstream. It's really a great travel companion.
 
The Point and Shoot Pro said:
CAcreeks said:
Yesterday their review appeared:

https://www.notebookcheck.net/Micro...-serious-MacBook-Air-competitor.857051.0.html

Seems like they recommend the non-Elite "Plus" version, which saves $600 and performs almost the same, in current tests. It's nice that the SSD is replaceable, but memory is not.
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Memory upgrading is basically a thing for workstations now, not laptops. Unfortunately.
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Lenovo wants only $69 for a 32 GB memory upgrade. A no brainer IMHO.

https://www.lenovo.com/us/en/configurator/cto/index.html?bundleId=83EDCTO1WWUS1
 
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Pixel8888 said:
The Point and Shoot Pro said:
CAcreeks said:
Yesterday their review appeared:

https://www.notebookcheck.net/Micro...-serious-MacBook-Air-competitor.857051.0.html

Seems like they recommend the non-Elite "Plus" version, which saves $600 and performs almost the same, in current tests. It's nice that the SSD is replaceable, but memory is not.
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Memory upgrading is basically a thing for workstations now, not laptops. Unfortunately.
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Lenovo wants only $69 for a 32 GB memory upgrade. A no brainer IMHO.

https://www.lenovo.com/us/en/configurator/cto/index.html?bundleId=83EDCTO1WWUS1
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Wow, a company that won't gouge their customers for a memory upgrade. I can get behind lenovo if that trend continues!
 
Pixel8888 said:
The Point and Shoot Pro said:
CAcreeks said:
Yesterday their review appeared:

https://www.notebookcheck.net/Micro...-serious-MacBook-Air-competitor.857051.0.html

Seems like they recommend the non-Elite "Plus" version, which saves $600 and performs almost the same, in current tests. It's nice that the SSD is replaceable, but memory is not.
Click to expand...
Memory upgrading is basically a thing for workstations now, not laptops. Unfortunately.
Click to expand...
Lenovo wants only $69 for a 32 GB memory upgrade. A no brainer IMHO.

https://www.lenovo.com/us/en/configurator/cto/index.html?bundleId=83EDCTO1WWUS1
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Agreed. Rather unusual, though in the past I've seen other vendors selling enhanced-version PCs for less than the basic model. I'm wondering if they might have overproduced the nicer version and want to reduce their stock. That Lenovo's storage upgrade is reasonably priced too, by OEM standards. And the 11 Pro upgrade is $28.
 
Austinian said:
Pixel8888 said:
The Point and Shoot Pro said:
CAcreeks said:
Yesterday their review appeared:

https://www.notebookcheck.net/Micro...-serious-MacBook-Air-competitor.857051.0.html

Seems like they recommend the non-Elite "Plus" version, which saves $600 and performs almost the same, in current tests. It's nice that the SSD is replaceable, but memory is not.
Click to expand...
Memory upgrading is basically a thing for workstations now, not laptops. Unfortunately.
Click to expand...
Lenovo wants only $69 for a 32 GB memory upgrade. A no brainer IMHO.

https://www.lenovo.com/us/en/configurator/cto/index.html?bundleId=83EDCTO1WWUS1
Click to expand...
Agreed. Rather unusual, though in the past I've seen other vendors selling enhanced-version PCs for less than the basic model. I'm wondering if they might have overproduced the nicer version and want to reduce their stock. That Lenovo's storage upgrade is reasonably priced too, by OEM standards. And the 11 Pro upgrade is $28.
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I tried configuring a workstation laptop from Lenovo and they only wanted 349 for 64gb ram upgrade instead of the 800 from Dell or the grand from Apple. That's refreshing.
 
with 14.7% market share according to IDC, although Acer and Apple posted the most growth.


Does Acer make Surface PCs for Microsoft? It's odd not to see Microsoft on the list.
The Point and Shoot Pro said:
Austinian said:
Pixel8888 said:
Lenovo wants only $69 for a 32 GB memory upgrade. A no brainer IMHO.

https://www.lenovo.com/us/en/configurator/cto/index.html?bundleId=83EDCTO1WWUS1
Click to expand...
Agreed. Rather unusual, though in the past I've seen other vendors selling enhanced-version PCs for less than the basic model. I'm wondering if they might have overproduced the nicer version and want to reduce their stock. That Lenovo's storage upgrade is reasonably priced too, by OEM standards. And the 11 Pro upgrade is $28.
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I tried configuring a workstation laptop from Lenovo and they only wanted 349 for 64gb ram upgrade instead of the 800 from Dell or the grand from Apple. That's refreshing.
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Capture One seems to run fine on a Lenovo snapdragon

Has anyone installed Capture One on Snapdragon X laptops?

https://support.captureone.com/hc/e...installed-Capture-One-on-Snapdragon-X-laptops

32 GB LPDDR5X-8448MHz (Soldered)1 TB SSD M.2 2242 PCIe Gen4 TLC

With free expedited shipping Total :$1,247.35 in the US with coupon. Unfortunately the identical configuration is Euros 1600 in Germany. Part of the difference are of course taxes.
 
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CAcreeks said:
with 14.7% market share according to IDC, although Acer and Apple posted the most growth.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/com...-computers-skyrocket-by-nearly-21/ar-BB1pLkG6

Does Acer make Surface PCs for Microsoft? It's odd not to see Microsoft on the list.
The Point and Shoot Pro said:
Austinian said:
Pixel8888 said:
Lenovo wants only $69 for a 32 GB memory upgrade. A no brainer IMHO.

https://www.lenovo.com/us/en/configurator/cto/index.html?bundleId=83EDCTO1WWUS1
Click to expand...
Agreed. Rather unusual, though in the past I've seen other vendors selling enhanced-version PCs for less than the basic model. I'm wondering if they might have overproduced the nicer version and want to reduce their stock. That Lenovo's storage upgrade is reasonably priced too, by OEM standards. And the 11 Pro upgrade is $28.
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I tried configuring a workstation laptop from Lenovo and they only wanted 349 for 64gb ram upgrade instead of the 800 from Dell or the grand from Apple. That's refreshing.
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They are there, just in the "other" category.
 
The Point and Shoot Pro said:
I tried configuring a workstation laptop from Lenovo and they only wanted 349 for 64gb ram upgrade instead of the 800 from Dell or the grand from Apple. That's refreshing.
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$349 to bump from 32 to 64? ECC or no?

May not be that great. A pair of higher performance DDR5 32gb sticks (6000MT, CL30) ran me $215 in the Spring.
 
kelpdiver said:
The Point and Shoot Pro said:
I tried configuring a workstation laptop from Lenovo and they only wanted 349 for 64gb ram upgrade instead of the 800 from Dell or the grand from Apple. That's refreshing.
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$349 to bump from 32 to 64? ECC or no?

May not be that great. A pair of higher performance DDR5 32gb sticks (6000MT, CL30) ran me $215 in the Spring.
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That was going from 16 to 64. Again, the same upgrade with dell is 800 I do believe and from apple the masters of overcharging for upgrades is 1000.00. 349 is reasonable. There is an associated cost with installing that ram too.
 
Did anybody try On1 photo raw on a snapdragon. I read they officially don't support ARM systems. But maybe the emulation works ????

They offer a upgrade from NoNoise to Photo RAW for only $39.99 USD (50% off) at the moment.
 
PC world deep dive Snapdragon x Elite review.

Quite interesting. 2 hrs 16 min

 
It's now been a month with the Surface Pro 11 (Snapdragon Plus). It replaced my Surface Pro 7.

The device wakes from sleep every time. It does not reboot when it wakes up. It does not lose (much) power while it sleeps. This, in itself, is a minor miracle in Windows-Land.

It properly handles Bluetooth while sleeping. When it goes to sleep, playback is paused. I can immediately reuse my Bluetooth headphones from my phone after putting the Surface to sleep. Incredibly, this has not been the case for any other Windows device I've owned. It makes a HUGE difference to my usage.

It no longer struggles with 4k YouTube, or many simultaneous tabs. In fact, it is now one of the faster computers in my home overall, which is a nice change of pace. Firefox sometimes seems to struggle with some YouTube videos on this device. But other browsers do not.

Battery life is significantly improved, although perhaps not quite as much as I had hoped. The old Surface Pro 7 hardly made it through an evening's YouTube on a full charge. It probably lasted less than two hours (four year old battery). The new Surface of course easily does that, and then some. It usually lasts me three days or so, which probably equates to somewhere between 5-8h of my real-world, mostly YouTube, usage. Offline video of course lasts much longer, but I only do that rarely. Still, this is more than enough for my usage.

It is not compatible with my USB-C/HDMI/4k60 dock, which is a minor shame. Probably more to do with the dock than the Surface, though. A straight USB-C-to-HDMI cable connection works, though.

It charges without issue with all our USB-C chargers and cables. I do miss a headphone jack occasionally. I would miss it more if I had any intention of using it for games, I suppose.

The slightly bigger screen compared to the Surface Pro 7 is nice. I don't like the tiny side bezels, though. I tend to accidentally tap the sides when holding it there, often initiating an accidental scroll. I've had to re-train my hands when holding it. It feels slightly heavier than the Surface Pro 7. The more rounded edges are much nicer to hold, though, and ni longer bite into my hands.

Overall, a very worthwhile upgrade for me. Note however that I'm not using any peripherals, nor run much of any fancy software beyond a browser.
 
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bastibe said:
It's now been a month with the Surface Pro 11 (Snapdragon Plus). It replaced my Surface Pro 7.

The device wakes from sleep every time. It does not reboot when it wakes up. It does not lose (much) power while it sleeps. This, in itself, is a minor miracle in Windows-Land.

It properly handles Bluetooth while sleeping. When it goes to sleep, playback is paused. I can immediately reuse my Bluetooth headphones from my phone after putting the Surface to sleep. Incredibly, this has not been the case for any other Windows device I've owned. It makes a HUGE difference to my usage.

It no longer struggles with 4k YouTube, or many simultaneous tabs. In fact, it is now one of the faster computers in my home overall, which is a nice change of pace. Firefox sometimes seems to struggle with some YouTube videos on this device. But other browsers do not.

Battery life is significantly improved, although perhaps not quite as much as I had hoped. The old Surface Pro 7 hardly made it through an evening's YouTube on a full charge. It probably lasted less than two hours (four year old battery). The new Surface of course easily does that, and then some. It usually lasts me three days or so, which probably equates to somewhere between 5-8h of my real-world, mostly YouTube, usage. Offline video of course lasts much longer, but I only do that rarely. Still, this is more than enough for my usage.

It is not compatible with my USB-C/HDMI/4k60 dock, which is a minor shame. Probably more to do with the dock than the Surface, though. A straight USB-C-to-HDMI cable connection works, though.

It charges without issue with all our USB-C chargers and cables. I do miss a headphone jack occasionally. I would miss it more if I had any intention of using it for games, I suppose.

The slightly bigger screen compared to the Surface Pro 7 is nice. I don't like the tiny side bezels, though. I tend to accidentally tap the sides when holding it there, often initiating an accidental scroll. I've had to re-train my hands when holding it. It feels slightly heavier than the Surface Pro 7. The more rounded edges are much nicer to hold, though, and ni longer bite into my hands.

Overall, a very worthwhile upgrade for me. Note however that I'm not using any peripherals, nor run much of any fancy software beyond a browser.
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Interesting technology, but a bit overpriced in Germany compared to the US. Even with taxes included.
 
bastibe said:
It is not compatible with my USB-C/HDMI/4k60 dock, which is a minor shame. Probably more to do with the dock than the Surface, though. A straight USB-C-to-HDMI cable connection works, though.

It charges without issue with all our USB-C chargers and cables. I do miss a headphone jack occasionally. I would miss it more if I had any intention of using it for games, I suppose.

Overall, a very worthwhile upgrade for me. Note however that I'm not using any peripherals, nor run much of any fancy software beyond a browser.
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Thanks for the 1st hand experience. I won't be buying one for those compatibility reasons though, and no phone jack for calls. I understand where you are coming from with the old SP7, but my SP9 is fulfilling it's duty really well currently, battery life can be stretched to 9hrs on web browsing only with screen brightness set to 35% indoors.

The upcoming AMD HX 370 laptop looks very interesting/promising in both compute and graphics prowess. Looking forward to that review instead. :-D
 
silentstorm said:
bastibe said:
It is not compatible with my USB-C/HDMI/4k60 dock, which is a minor shame. Probably more to do with the dock than the Surface, though. A straight USB-C-to-HDMI cable connection works, though.

It charges without issue with all our USB-C chargers and cables. I do miss a headphone jack occasionally. I would miss it more if I had any intention of using it for games, I suppose.

Overall, a very worthwhile upgrade for me. Note however that I'm not using any peripherals, nor run much of any fancy software beyond a browser.
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Thanks for the 1st hand experience. I won't be buying one for those compatibility reasons though, and no phone jack for calls. I understand where you are coming from with the old SP7, but my SP9 is fulfilling it's duty really well currently, battery life can be stretched to 9hrs on web browsing only with screen brightness set to 35% indoors.

The upcoming AMD HX 370 laptop looks very interesting/promising in both compute and graphics prowess. Looking forward to that review instead. :-D
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Another interesting newcomer.

Asus Zenbook s16

This AMD powered notebook looks interesting too. No compatibly problems, but also includes a NPU. But the battery life is not as good as the snapdragon's.

The reviews compares it with the snapdragon.

 
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