Why the Leica D-Lux 8 matters

The thing is, those cameras came out six years ago. Why would Leica release a 6-year old camera with a facelift? The answer begins with the fact that it fixes two of the reasons I didn’t enjoy the LX: the viewfinder and the controls—the contact points. This isn’t a facelift, it’s a major re-engineering the camera—but its surface rather than its insides.
A cynic might take a different view as to where the answer begins.

I suspect somebody looked at the costs of designing a new product and figured even at Leica prices the development costs would need to be curtailed so went with a refurbishment of the old product.

That doesn't mean they haven't been smart. But I'm not sure any company other that Leica can get away with this sort of exercise and expect to be taken as seriously.
 
I wouldn’t even touch this camera with a 10 foot pole.
 
I remember using a LX100 is 2005 or 2006, good compact camera. Leica is a company that knows how to simplify controls. Previous versions looked very much like Panasonic clones; this one looks like a mini-Q3.
 
I remember using a LX100 is 2005 or 2006, good compact camera. Leica is a company that knows how to simplify controls. Previous versions looked very much like Panasonic clones; this one looks like a mini-Q3.
The LX100 was released in 2014 ;-) Auto-text making you relive some of the "good old years"??

https://www.dpreview.com/reviews/panasonic-lumix-dmc-lx100
Right... must have been the LX1 or LX3 then. The series with the smaller than 4/3 sensor.
 
I have the Type 109 which is basically an older version of D-Lux 8 since 2017. It was my backup travel camera when I did a multi-city tour in Italy in 2017. The problem that I found is that almost all of the photos that were keepers for me were taken with my Canon7d Mark 2 with the 18-135mm EF-S Kit Lens. The 4k video of the Leica was better than the 1080 from the 7d mark 2 so I used it in that role. In 2024 I went to Venice, Italy to shoot the Venetian Carnival and my main camera was the Canon 5DSr along with another Canon body and the Type 109 was used for the 4k video. I found it effective for flower photography in macro mode, specially with good light. In the terms of build quality the LCD Panel lost is coating while the lens assembly began making intermittent noises abou 4 years after use. About a year ago I started getting sensor dust which led me to send it to Leica for service/repair and the quote was $699 which is about half the price of the original retail price. Needless to say it is a good (for what it is) not stellar camera until is time for service or repair. My concern with buying a D-Lux 8 would be the dust issue as well as the high cost of service/repair.
 
If you don't want to go near it that's fine. Others may disagree. I like the comments about different cameras for different users.
 
If you don't want to go near it that's fine. Others may disagree. I like the comments about different cameras for different users.
I was exaggerating a little, but let’s face it, it’s a Leica badged Lumix LX100 II, but Leica prices.



I get it, if you’re a Leica guy, I get it but I’m not going to pay Leica prices for a re-badged LX100 II.



I’d rather save my money for a Leica M or Q anyway.
 
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I don't have the D-Lux 8, but from carefully reading reviews, I've gathered up the following differences from the prior D-Lux 7 and LX100/LX100 II models (in no particular order):

Better viewfinder, OLED instead of field sequential.

Brighter LCD display.

Leica menu system, most reviewers say it's much clearer, simpler than before.

Leica designed body, different dimensions than previous LX100 based design models.

Some of the controls have been redesigned.

Leica processor instead of Panasonic processor

USB-C port

There might be other changes as well that I'm not aware of.

So, I'd say there are quite a few incremental improvements to the camera over the prior models and therefore, the D-Lux 8 is not simply a re-badged LX100.

Of course, you may think otherwise.
 
I don't have the D-Lux 8, but from carefully reading reviews, I've gathered up the following differences from the prior D-Lux 7 and LX100/LX100 II models (in no particular order):

Better viewfinder, OLED instead of field sequential.

Brighter LCD display.

Leica menu system, most reviewers say it's much clearer, simpler than before.

Leica designed body, different dimensions than previous LX100 based design models.

Some of the controls have been redesigned.

Leica processor instead of Panasonic processor

USB-C port

There might be other changes as well that I'm not aware of.

So, I'd say there are quite a few incremental improvements to the camera over the prior models and therefore, the D-Lux 8 is not simply a re-badged LX100.

Of course, you may think otherwise.
I don’t 🙂 This very much isn’t a rebadged LX100. What I said was that “This isn’t a facelift, it’s a major re-engineering of the camera—but its surface rather than its insides.”

Of all the points you list, only one is related to the technical image-making capability (and even then I think only JPEGs), which is the Leica rather then Panasonic image processor. But that was equally true of the D-Lux 7, so it’s null and void when comparing the 8 to the 7.

The point that I was making, and which your list reinforces, is that compared to the D-Lux 7 there is absolutely no material change to its technical capability, but there is a huge change to the user interface (hard and soft: from the EVF to the menus to everything else). That’s extremely unusual; in fact I can’t think of a single camera successor that has followed that approach before. It’s arguably a sign that improvements to spec sheets are less important (at the upper end of the market at least) than improvements to the user experience.

(By the way, you did miss one thing: the D-Lux 8 has no step zoom, which personally I think is a dealbreaker for a fixed-lens zoom, as it no longer qualifies as a “bag of primes”.)
 
I don't have the D-Lux 8, but from carefully reading reviews, I've gathered up the following differences from the prior D-Lux 7 and LX100/LX100 II models (in no particular order):

Better viewfinder, OLED instead of field sequential.

Brighter LCD display.

Leica menu system, most reviewers say it's much clearer, simpler than before.

Leica designed body, different dimensions than previous LX100 based design models.

Some of the controls have been redesigned.

Leica processor instead of Panasonic processor

USB-C port

There might be other changes as well that I'm not aware of.

So, I'd say there are quite a few incremental improvements to the camera over the prior models and therefore, the D-Lux 8 is not simply a re-badged LX100.

Of course, you may think otherwise.
I don’t 🙂 This very much isn’t a rebadged LX100. What I said was that “This isn’t a facelift, it’s a major re-engineering of the camera—but its surface rather than its insides.”

Of all the points you list, only one is related to the technical image-making capability (and even then I think only JPEGs), which is the Leica rather then Panasonic image processor. But that was equally true of the D-Lux 7, so it’s null and void when comparing the 8 to the 7.

The point that I was making, and which your list reinforces, is that compared to the D-Lux 7 there is absolutely no material change to its technical capability, but there is a huge change to the user interface (hard and soft: from the EVF to the menus to everything else). That’s extremely unusual; in fact I can’t think of a single camera successor that has followed that approach before. It’s arguably a sign that improvements to spec sheets are less important (at the upper end of the market at least) than improvements to the user experience.

(By the way, you did miss one thing: the D-Lux 8 has no step zoom, which personally I think is a dealbreaker for a fixed-lens zoom, as it no longer qualifies as a “bag of primes”.)
My apologies for not being more clear!

My comments were not pointed at you, but at others that made uninformed comments about the D-Lux 8 being merely a re-badged LX100...

Think you framed the situation very clearly.

Sorry for any confusion.
 
My apologies for not being more clear!

My comments were not pointed at you, but at others that made uninformed comments about the D-Lux 8 being merely a re-badged LX100...
Ah, I see—sorry. The very special schizophrenia of the DPReview “is it threaded or is it flat? it’s both, so it functions as neither!” forum strikes yet again 🙂
 
My apologies for not being more clear!

My comments were not pointed at you, but at others that made uninformed comments about the D-Lux 8 being merely a re-badged LX100...
Ah, I see—sorry. The very special schizophrenia of the DPReview “is it threaded or is it flat? it’s both, so it functions as neither!” forum strikes yet again 🙂
Well said, Mr Bisquits!

:-)
 
(By the way, you did miss one thing: the D-Lux 8 has no step zoom, which personally I think is a dealbreaker for a fixed-lens zoom, as it no longer qualifies as a “bag of primes”.)
Ummm... what?

Did Leica made the conscious effort to remove that feature? This was implemented in Lumix cameras back with the LX3 in 2008 !

This is a very big oversight in my opinion, they should definitely add it through a firmware update. That's a feature I use a lot on my LX5, I hate to use that camera with the linear zoom !
 
This was implemented in Lumix cameras back with the LX3 in 2008 !
(Apologies in advance for the pedantry…)

Pretty sure the LX5 was the first Lumix to have it. The lack of it was the only thing I didn’t like about the LX3 (which I otherwise preferred over the LX5).

But I agree: an odd decision. It makes such a difference to how these cameras can be used, and I don’t feel it was a feature that was in conflict with the whole philosophy of a purer experience.
 
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You're right, the LX3 didn't have it. No idea why it had it in my mind !
 
Unfortunately, can't edit prior post to add more changes in D-Lux 8 vs D-Lux 7:

Can save files in standard DNG RAW format instead of Leica's version of RAW files.

Definitely, a nice improvement.

Can use UHS-II SD cards instead of UHS-I SD cards.
 
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Unfortunately, can't edit prior post to add more changes in D-Lux 8 vs D-Lux 7:

Can save files in standard DNG RAW format instead of Leica's version of RAW files.

Definitely, a nice improvement.

Can use UHS-II SD cards instead of UHS-I SD cards.
Still no changes to the imaging technology, though. Just ease of use, same as the other changes.
 

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