Canon LP-E6NH Performance

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I have 4 Canon LP-E6NH batteries for my R5. I just recharged all 4 of them and they all show "recharge performance" in the red. Is this coincidental or is there something else going wrong I am missing?

I had bought all 4 of these batteries in the year 2020.

Thank you
 
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Do you always fully charged your battery to 100% ? If you did, then it's about right.
 
Do we even know what the “recharge performance” bars mean? I have several batteries, recent and older, and thie bar display seems to have no relationship to their actual performance. I have an over 10-year old LP-E6, still working, showing one bar, lasts a good time in the camera.
 
My old 2014-vintage LP-E6 shows the same red bar as my 2018-vintage LP-E6N, and there doesn't appear to be any perceptible difference when using them in my 6D ii - both last a LONG time.

In contrast, I have now 6 LP-E17 batteries - 4 brand new (with my new R10 & R8 plus 2 new spares), and all 4 of them show the same 3 green bars as the two 2016-vintage LP-E17 I bought when I got my first M body (M3) - checked in both R10 & R8. Quite odd.
 
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My old 2014-vintage LP-E6 shows the same red bar as my 2018-vintage LP-E6N, and there doesn't appear to be any perceptible difference when using them in my 6D ii - both last a LONG time.

In contrast, I have now 6 LP-E17 batteries - 4 brand new (with my new R10 & R8 plus 2 new spares), and all 4 of them show the same 3 green bars as the two 2016-vintage LP-E17 I bought when I got my first M body (M3) - checked in both R10 & R8. Quite odd.
Very odd. I just checked this with two LP-E17 batteries that I have in a drawer, one quite old, using a friend’s camera (as I no longer have a suitable body). They haven’t been charged in over 2 years but both still showing about 2/3 capacity and 3 green recharge performance bars.

(I’m keeping them in case I buy an R8).
 
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Seems a bit odd to me that all 4 would go red at exactly the same time even if you bought them all on the same day and were the same lot just because battery life isn't that precise. Also, I'm guessing you didn't drain each battery to 100% with each use before charging.

I wonder if you have a bum charger -- maybe because of a surge or something. If you shop at a local dealer, maybe ask if you test your batteries on one of their chargers.

Just anecdotally, I have 3 E6NH batteries, one that came with the R5 (2020) and two that I bought in mid-2021. I have these marked "1", "2", "3", so I can rotate them but I don't know which is the 2020 battery. I typically only use 1 battery per outing (200-1200 shots, depending on what I'm shooting, i.e., shooting speed). Avg. outings per month is 10, so use each battery about 3 times per month. Typically use 75%-100% battery then fully recharge. I have not noticed decreased life yet
 
Seems a bit odd to me that all 4 would go red at exactly the same time even if you bought them all on the same day and were the same lot just because battery life isn't that precise. Also, I'm guessing you didn't drain each battery to 100% with each use before charging.

I wonder if you have a bum charger -- maybe because of a surge or something. If you shop at a local dealer, maybe ask if you test your batteries on one of their chargers.

Just anecdotally, I have 3 E6NH batteries, one that came with the R5 (2020) and two that I bought in mid-2021. I have these marked "1", "2", "3", so I can rotate them but I don't know which is the 2020 battery. I typically only use 1 battery per outing (200-1200 shots, depending on what I'm shooting, i.e., shooting speed). Avg. outings per month is 10, so use each battery about 3 times per month. Typically use 75%-100% battery then fully recharge. I have not noticed decreased life yet
These batteries do have a manufacturing year dmembossed on the label which might help you decide which is which. I label mine with date of acquisition. The discussion has been mostly about the “recharge performance” (green/red bars seen in the battery info tab), rather than about battery life, which obviously varies considerably with how they are used. It would be useful to know what these bars actually mean, because they seem to have little correlation to battery life or even longevity.
 
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Seems a bit odd to me that all 4 would go red at exactly the same time even if you bought them all on the same day and were the same lot just because battery life isn't that precise.
I bought a pair of batteries about 5 months apart in 2020.
Also, I'm guessing you didn't drain each battery to 100% with each use before charging.
I didn't drain them completely before recharging.
I wonder if you have a bum charger -- maybe because of a surge or something. If you shop at a local dealer, maybe ask if you test your batteries on one of their chargers.
The batteries show 100% in the camera but show red for recharge performance.
Just anecdotally, I have 3 E6NH batteries, one that came with the R5 (2020) and two that I bought in mid-2021. I have these marked "1", "2", "3", so I can rotate them but I don't know which is the 2020 battery. I typically only use 1 battery per outing (200-1200 shots, depending on what I'm shooting, i.e., shooting speed). Avg. outings per month is 10, so use each battery about 3 times per month. Typically use 75%-100% battery then fully recharge. I have not noticed decreased life yet
 
Do we even know what the “recharge performance” bars mean?
I have no idea. I don't use my camera much anymore for any events, etc. but more for pleasure. I do plan on a 2-3 week trip to Europe next year so will probably buy 2 more just for precautionary measures but won't buy them until closer to the trip. I'll continue to use these until they die completely.
I have several batteries, recent and older, and thie bar display seems to have no relationship to their actual performance. I have an over 10-year old LP-E6, still working, showing one bar, lasts a good time in the camera.
 
Never leave batteries in charger for long after it’s finished charging. All modern batteries have chip and stops charging, but they should also be allowed to uncharge by themselves when laying on the shelf.

This is especially true for LIPO and DJI batteries. Don’t know about regular camera batteries.
 
My old 2014-vintage LP-E6 shows the same red bar as my 2018-vintage LP-E6N, and there doesn't appear to be any perceptible difference when using them in my 6D ii - both last a LONG time.

In contrast, I have now 6 LP-E17 batteries - 4 brand new (with my new R10 & R8 plus 2 new spares), and all 4 of them show the same 3 green bars as the two 2016-vintage LP-E17 I bought when I got my first M body (M3) - checked in both R10 & R8. Quite odd.
Very odd. I just checked this with two LP-E17 batteries that I have in a drawer, one quite old, using a friend’s camera (as I no longer have a suitable body). They haven’t been charged in over 2 years but both still showing about 2/3 capacity and 3 green recharge performance bars.
That is odd.
(I’m keeping them in case I buy an R8).
 
Never leave batteries in charger for long after it’s finished charging. All modern batteries have chip and stops charging, but they should also be allowed to uncharge by themselves when laying on the shelf.

This is especially true for LIPO and DJI batteries. Don’t know about regular camera batteries.
After I charge these batteries I take them out of the charger typically in less than an hour.
 
Do you always fully charged your battery to 100% ? If you did, then it's about right.
Typically I fully charge the batteries.
Never fully charge lithium ion batteries (whether those in phone, strobe or camera), every time you did that, you are reducing the lifespan by a tiny bit. You can watch wes perry video on that. He was talking about Godox battery for the flashes, but the same principle applies
 
Seems a bit odd to me that all 4 would go red at exactly the same time even if you bought them all on the same day and were the same lot just because battery life isn't that precise. Also, I'm guessing you didn't drain each battery to 100% with each use before charging.

I wonder if you have a bum charger -- maybe because of a surge or something. If you shop at a local dealer, maybe ask if you test your batteries on one of their chargers.

Just anecdotally, I have 3 E6NH batteries, one that came with the R5 (2020) and two that I bought in mid-2021. I have these marked "1", "2", "3", so I can rotate them but I don't know which is the 2020 battery. I typically only use 1 battery per outing (200-1200 shots, depending on what I'm shooting, i.e., shooting speed). Avg. outings per month is 10, so use each battery about 3 times per month. Typically use 75%-100% battery then fully recharge. I have not noticed decreased life yet
I have done the same thing with numbering batteries for years. That way I'm not hammering the same battery over and over with recharges. I'm not sure if it really helps but I have batteries from my Nikon cameras that are 8-10 years old and still charge and work. I've only been in the Canon system for about 18 months so it's too early to tell but so far, none of my batteries are showing any trouble.

Interesting to see someone else with the same battery numbering system. I guess great minds think alike. (or in my case, a blind squirrel finds an acorn)

Jeff
 
These batteries do have a manufacturing year dmembossed on the label which might help you decide which is which.
Right, for clarification, I meant when I'm picking up a battery to put in my camera I don't have it easily marked which battery is the oldest.
 
Do you always fully charged your battery to 100% ? If you did, then it's about right.
Typically I fully charge the batteries.
Never fully charge lithium ion batteries (whether those in phone, strobe or camera), every time you did that, you are reducing the lifespan by a tiny bit. You can watch wes perry video on that. He was talking about Godox battery for the flashes, but the same principle applies
Thanks, interesting.
 
Do you always fully charged your battery to 100% ? If you did, then it's about right.
Typically I fully charge the batteries.
Never fully charge lithium ion batteries (whether those in phone, strobe or camera), every time you did that, you are reducing the lifespan by a tiny bit. You can watch wes perry video on that. He was talking about Godox battery for the flashes, but the same principle applies
+1 A Li-Ion battery will basically last an unlimited number of charging cycles if you only charged it up to 40% every time (and discharged it down to 20%).

That's impractical for a lot of uses (I charge my camera batts to 100% right after use), but an 80%/ 20% cycle is a lot more practical than 40/20.

R2
 
Do you always fully charged your battery to 100% ? If you did, then it's about right.
Typically I fully charge the batteries.
Never fully charge lithium ion batteries (whether those in phone, strobe or camera), every time you did that, you are reducing the lifespan by a tiny bit. You can watch wes perry video on that. He was talking about Godox battery for the flashes, but the same principle applies
+1 A Li-Ion battery will basically last an unlimited number of charging cycles if you only charged it up to 40% every time (and discharged it down to 20%).

That's impractical for a lot of uses (I charge my camera batts to 100% right after use), but an 80%/ 20% cycle is a lot more practical than 40/20.

R2

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When these batteries have completed a charge cycle they are still not fully charged and sit below the 4.2v that could be considered the ceiling (per cell).
 
Do you always fully charged your battery to 100% ? If you did, then it's about right.
Typically I fully charge the batteries.
Never fully charge lithium ion batteries (whether those in phone, strobe or camera), every time you did that, you are reducing the lifespan by a tiny bit. You can watch wes perry video on that. He was talking about Godox battery for the flashes, but the same principle applies
+1 A Li-Ion battery will basically last an unlimited number of charging cycles if you only charged it up to 40% every time (and discharged it down to 20%).

That's impractical for a lot of uses (I charge my camera batts to 100% right after use), but an 80%/ 20% cycle is a lot more practical than 40/20.

R2
When these batteries have completed a charge cycle they are still not fully charged and sit below the 4.2v that could be considered the ceiling (per cell).
Just measured a Canon, fairly new, 3 weeks old. Popped it back on the charger, waited a minute and removed.

Bench meter at 21C gives me 8.304v which gives 4.152v per cell if both are equal.

A little headroom but not much.
 

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