Z6III : Strictly for Photographs ?

My best photos were taken with my D200 because I had the time and took the effort to "stand in front of more interesting things" to improve my photography. Advice from my professional friend, based on an unknown author's quote.
That is absolutely the best advice any photographer can get.
We can make things more interesting by photographing them (angle, lighting, lens choice, depth of field, composition, framing), but it helps to start off with something that interests you.

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more pictures of me.

Seriously, I am getting one for my cat. Review Thom Hogan's list and see if any of these resonate for you. Watch the Perry and Wegener videos and that will help you decide. Those helped me focus on what I wanted.

For me it's great for travel, especially in low lit indoor, and also great second camera for wildlife found in general travel or as a backup to an 8 or 9.
 
My cat ordered one too!
 
I was happy to read that UK landscape photographer (Nigel Danson) made identical landscape prints on A2 size paper with the Z8 and Z6III and concluded that there was virtually no difference in the detail , color , etc. between the prints between the Z6III and Z8 at the A2 print size . That is a nice testament as to what you may expect from a production Z6III for photography / photograph usage. I will add that as a street / documentary photographer - I will be quite interested in low light / high ISO usage of photographs taken with the Z6III (seeking cleaner images / higher dynamic range over the Z6II) .
I think in general, 24MP is enough. The issue is with Cropping. Then you are dealing with potentially much lower resolution. Then the prints would show more difference. So a higher MP sensor would yield a better final image.
 
I've been trying to wrap my head around Nikon's menu banks vs. the U1/2 system I'm used to (as I debate this, or a Z8).

Doesn't the U1/2/3 system negate the need for recall settings, as everything is stored in the custom mode? Unless you need more than 3 I guess?
No, the current implementation of Modes doesn't save several (5-7) settings, drive (timer,) and picture control being the most important to me. Drive is saved on the DX bodies. You also can't just change the mode of a U1/U2/U3. You have to reconfigure your PASM settings save it, and put your PSAM settings back; yes they work like another mode. Changing this on the left locking dial is finicky.

Recall Settings lets you instantly switch between two settings or sets of settings, but there is only one on the Z8/Z9. (Hudson Henry is critical of modes/banks too.)

Banks remember your last settings, you give up one, and restore to it. There are also two sets of them, extended banks, and they can't be tied to each other.

In either cases, I'd like to set global/static settings I don't change and hide them. Rather than create a "mymenu" selection which I don't care for navigating.

Sony has 3 in camera and 4 on the card modes, but there is a LONG annoying preview delay switching between them. If you format your card you lose 4.

I haven't used a Canon in a while, but they have an instant eye tracking that can be enabled from ANY mode, three physical ways to change frequent settings. Their buttons are too small for me and tricky with gloves.

NOTE: None of this was a problem with pro Nikon DSLR's because you could change everything with physical switches and (for me years of) muscle memory. Even when I tried the D780 after going ML, it was like going home.
 
  • Better focus
  • Subject detection instead of eye detection
  • Better VR
  • Infinite buffer
  • Always 14-bit
  • Smaller raw file sizes (High Efficiency)
  • Directly supports HDR (HEIF)
  • Faster frame rates with continuous viewfinder
  • Pre-capture release
  • Pixel shift to 96mp
  • High-frequency flicker reduction
  • Flash with silent mode
  • Faster shutter
  • Better viewfinder
  • Ethernet support
  • Direct to cloud support
  • User definable Flexible Picture Controls
  • Better customization options
  • Portrait impression balance
  • New Picture Controls (from Zf)
  • Skin softening
  • Viewfinder display size
These are tons of great new features (some of them are at or above flagship level ) and that too at a very reasonable price , so I wonder why people aren’t so excited?
 
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I use my Z6ii primarily for landscapes and don't plan on upgrading to the Z6iii mainly because I am in no rush, and want to see if anything happens with a Z7iii as the extra MPs appeals to me for cropping.

That said the Z6iii does look a huge upgrade just for photos and a lot of the additions are tempting. Nikon did a great job here, but I hope they don't abandon the Z7 line.

I feel like there is still a place for the Z7 in the Nikon lineup. I prefer the smaller size, and the speed advantages of the Z8's stacked sensor aren't a huge benefit for me. But the improved Expeed 7 autofocus would be great. The brighter viewfinder also appeals to me shooting in bright daylight.
 
I use my Z6ii primarily for landscapes and don't plan on upgrading to the Z6iii mainly because I am in no rush, and want to see if anything happens with a Z7iii as the extra MPs appeals to me for cropping.

That said the Z6iii does look a huge upgrade just for photos and a lot of the additions are tempting. Nikon did a great job here, but I hope they don't abandon the Z7 line.

I feel like there is still a place for the Z7 in the Nikon lineup. I prefer the smaller size, and the speed advantages of the Z8's stacked sensor aren't a huge benefit for me. But the improved Expeed 7 autofocus would be great. The brighter viewfinder also appeals to me shooting in bright daylight.
I think Nikon will pursue a high MP Z7, 60 or 90 MP. They are currently in the Go Big or Go Home space, and it would give them a good position. Only difference from Z6iii would be the sensor.
 
OK but other than that, anything else? 😬
The Z6iii apparently has a deeper beefier grip, which at least one aussie influencer likes because he has big hands.

It just occurred to me that "influencer" has the same linguistic root as "influenza."
I can see other similarities as well. :) (Joking).
I wish that when I had the influenza, I could make $100k or more per year and stay at hotels for free.
 
Based on the Z6III specs , how do you believe it compares to the Z6II - strictly for photographs ? What key advantages do you see (if any) the Z6III has - again strictly for photography usesge over the Z6II ?
Only three of these items below are video specific.

https://www.nikonusa.com/p/z6iii/1890/overview

I don't expect IQ to be much different from ANY other 24mp sensor/camera in most normal conditions. I could capture decent pictures with the D500, D750, Z50, Z5, and Z7II regardless of the differences between them.
I think it will be better than the sensor in my Nikon D5500 or Z30. I don't think that sensor development stays static.
IMO, what you're really buying is better hit rates and ease of use. I think the Z9 is still twice as good as the Z6III with much better battery life. Photography is like most hobbies and sports. Sometimes the tools/gear make a big difference, but most of the time practice and skill matter more.
Looking at the difference in the spec, I think you getting much more than just better hit rates and ease of use. The question is, how much in that spec list will the average photographer utilize.
My best photos were taken with my D200 because I had the time and took the effort to "stand in front of more interesting things" to improve my photography. Advice from my professional friend, based on an unknown author's quote.
My best were taken with my Nikon D5500. It is still "the ten inches between your ears" that makes most of the difference.
Happy shooting!
 
Based on the Z6III specs , how do you believe it compares to the Z6II - strictly for photographs ? What key advantages do you see (if any) the Z6III has - again strictly for photography usesge over the Z6II ?
  • Better focus
  • Subject detection instead of eye detection
  • Better VR
  • Infinite buffer
  • Always 14-bit
  • Smaller raw file sizes (High Efficiency)
  • Directly supports HDR (HEIF)
  • Faster frame rates with continuous viewfinder
  • Pre-capture release
  • Pixel shift to 96mp
  • High-frequency flicker reduction
  • Flash with silent mode
  • Faster shutter
  • Better viewfinder
  • Ethernet support
  • Direct to cloud support
  • User definable Flexible Picture Controls
  • Better customization options
thom - this bullet point interests me. Are you saying that in the Z6iii (like the Z7/8/9) eye detection is now structured as a subprocess of subject detection - i.e. something that is known to have eyes?

Or are you referring to high-performance 3D tracking as an alternative to qualititative feature (eye) tracking?
 
  • Better focus
  • Subject detection instead of eye detection
  • Better VR
  • Infinite buffer
  • Always 14-bit
  • Smaller raw file sizes (High Efficiency)
  • Directly supports HDR (HEIF)
  • Faster frame rates with continuous viewfinder
  • Pre-capture release
  • Pixel shift to 96mp
  • High-frequency flicker reduction
  • Flash with silent mode
  • Faster shutter
  • Better viewfinder
  • Ethernet support
  • Direct to cloud support
  • User definable Flexible Picture Controls
  • Better customization options
  • Portrait impression balance
  • New Picture Controls (from Zf)
  • Skin softening
  • Viewfinder display size
These are tons of great new features (some of them are at or above flagship level ) and that too at a very reasonable price , so I wonder why people aren’t so excited?
  • They want an even better price
  • No one knows if all this whiz-bang actually enables the Z6iii to exceed the performance (AF, mostly) of its direct competitors. It's what Nikon still keeps getting beat up about on the babblewebs.
 
Based on the Z6III specs , how do you believe it compares to the Z6II - strictly for photographs ? What key advantages do you see (if any) the Z6III has - again strictly for photography usesge over the Z6II ?
  • Better focus
  • Subject detection instead of eye detection
  • Better VR
  • Infinite buffer
  • Always 14-bit
  • Smaller raw file sizes (High Efficiency)
  • Directly supports HDR (HEIF)
  • Faster frame rates with continuous viewfinder
  • Pre-capture release
  • Pixel shift to 96mp
  • High-frequency flicker reduction
  • Flash with silent mode
  • Faster shutter
  • Better viewfinder
  • Ethernet support
  • Direct to cloud support
  • User definable Flexible Picture Controls
  • Better customization options
thom - this bullet point interests me. Are you saying that in the Z6iii (like the Z7/8/9) eye detection is now structured as a subprocess of subject detection - i.e. something that is known to have eyes?
Or are you referring to high-performance 3D tracking as an alternative to qualititative feature (eye) tracking?
Face and eye detect is now (I believe on all Nikon's since the Z9) listed as "People" within the subject detection feature:

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It will of course, in "Animal" try to find the eye of recognised animals, or fall back to face/head/body. Similarly for vehicles/planes, i.e. it prioritises the cockpit of aircraft if it can see it, or falls back to the fuselage as a whole.

You can use subject detection with the: wide, 3D, subject tracking, or auto AF area modes.
 
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Based on the Z6III specs , how do you believe it compares to the Z6II - strictly for photographs ? What key advantages do you see (if any) the Z6III has - again strictly for photography usesge over the Z6II ?
  • Better focus
  • Subject detection instead of eye detection
  • Better VR
  • Infinite buffer
  • Always 14-bit
  • Smaller raw file sizes (High Efficiency)
  • Directly supports HDR (HEIF)
  • Faster frame rates with continuous viewfinder
  • Pre-capture release
  • Pixel shift to 96mp
  • High-frequency flicker reduction
  • Flash with silent mode
  • Faster shutter
  • Better viewfinder
  • Ethernet support
  • Direct to cloud support
  • User definable Flexible Picture Controls
  • Better customization options
thom - this bullet point interests me. Are you saying that in the Z6iii (like the Z7/8/9) eye detection is now structured as a subprocess of subject detection - i.e. something that is known to have eyes?
Or are you referring to high-performance 3D tracking as an alternative to qualititative feature (eye) tracking?
Face and eye detect is now (I believe on all Nikon's since the Z9) listed as "People" within the subject detection feature:

be835e9f14b547d3a90274a657cf2582.jpg.png


It will of course, in "Animal" try to find the eye of recognised animals, or fall back to face/head/body. Similarly for vehicles/planes, i.e. it prioritises the cockpit of aircraft if it can see it, or falls back to the fuselage as a whole.

You can use subject detection with the: wide, 3D, subject tracking, or auto AF area modes.
That’s what I thought, the qualitative AF modes are now more formally structured. Auto goes through the general class list options below it, then looks for a preferred sub feature (in people, face, then eye; in airplanes, fuselage then cockpit).

3D is a designate then track functionality without qualitative analysis - just pattern memorization. Is any sort of qualitative identification possible as an at-evf option? Basically, the camera always looking for something that might be an eye or face, and offering it up as a refinement to the initial target designated by the photographer?
 
Based on the Z6III specs , how do you believe it compares to the Z6II - strictly for photographs ? What key advantages do you see (if any) the Z6III has - again strictly for photography usesge over the Z6II ?
  • Better focus
  • Subject detection instead of eye detection
  • Better VR
  • Infinite buffer
  • Always 14-bit
  • Smaller raw file sizes (High Efficiency)
  • Directly supports HDR (HEIF)
  • Faster frame rates with continuous viewfinder
  • Pre-capture release
  • Pixel shift to 96mp
  • High-frequency flicker reduction
  • Flash with silent mode
  • Faster shutter
  • Better viewfinder
  • Ethernet support
  • Direct to cloud support
  • User definable Flexible Picture Controls
  • Better customization options
thom - this bullet point interests me. Are you saying that in the Z6iii (like the Z7/8/9) eye detection is now structured as a subprocess of subject detection - i.e. something that is known to have eyes?
Or are you referring to high-performance 3D tracking as an alternative to qualititative feature (eye) tracking?
Face and eye detect is now (I believe on all Nikon's since the Z9) listed as "People" within the subject detection feature:

be835e9f14b547d3a90274a657cf2582.jpg.png


It will of course, in "Animal" try to find the eye of recognised animals, or fall back to face/head/body. Similarly for vehicles/planes, i.e. it prioritises the cockpit of aircraft if it can see it, or falls back to the fuselage as a whole.

You can use subject detection with the: wide, 3D, subject tracking, or auto AF area modes.
Detection is one thing. Focusing is another. Been shooting a bit of volleyball this week and while the camera (Z9) can give me (using wide-S in the smallest available square with people detect on) the box around the face and eye of the player behind the net, the camera most of the time just doesn't want to focus on the box. It gets stuck to the net. Jiggled the focus by manually shifting it back and forth to the face, but the camera will paint the player nicely with the box, but it will focus right back onto the net.
 
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These are tons of great new features (some of them are at or above flagship level ) and that too at a very reasonable price , so I wonder why people aren’t so excited?
I guess that the price is a bit prohibitive for many photographers still.

And the price is reasonable only in places like the US. In Malaysia as an example, the expected price of the body will be 12.5k ringgit (which is higher that the exchange rate of RM4.7 to 1 USD).

Many people can't really afford that, so they go back to their sub-1k usd FF camera bodies like the D750 or even the Z5/6. Hard for them to be excited over something they can't afford.
 
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Based on the Z6III specs , how do you believe it compares to the Z6II - strictly for photographs ? What key advantages do you see (if any) the Z6III has - again strictly for photography usesge over the Z6II ?
  • Better focus
  • Subject detection instead of eye detection
  • Better VR
  • Infinite buffer
  • Always 14-bit
  • Smaller raw file sizes (High Efficiency)
  • Directly supports HDR (HEIF)
  • Faster frame rates with continuous viewfinder
  • Pre-capture release
  • Pixel shift to 96mp
  • High-frequency flicker reduction
  • Flash with silent mode
  • Faster shutter
  • Better viewfinder
  • Ethernet support
  • Direct to cloud support
  • User definable Flexible Picture Controls
  • Better customization options
thom - this bullet point interests me. Are you saying that in the Z6iii (like the Z7/8/9) eye detection is now structured as a subprocess of subject detection - i.e. something that is known to have eyes?
Or are you referring to high-performance 3D tracking as an alternative to qualititative feature (eye) tracking?
The former. In the earlier models, eye detection was a separate Large-area mode. In the Zf/Z6 III/Z8/Z9, they all use subject detection, and for humans that works in an order: torso, head, eyes. You don't specifically say "focus on eyes."
 
Based on the Z6III specs , how do you believe it compares to the Z6II - strictly for photographs ? What key advantages do you see (if any) the Z6III has - again strictly for photography usesge over the Z6II ?
Only three of these items below are video specific.

https://www.nikonusa.com/p/z6iii/1890/overview

I don't expect IQ to be much different from ANY other 24mp sensor/camera in most normal conditions. I could capture decent pictures with the D500, D750, Z50, Z5, and Z7II regardless of the differences between them.
I think it will be better than the sensor in my Nikon D5500 or Z30. I don't think that sensor development stays static.
Sensors have been within a narrow range for quite some time now. They reliably capture the randomness of photons and do so within a narrow range of efficiency. Once we got there over ten years ago, most of the sensor improvements have been targeted on increasing speed without causing read noise to start climbing into visibility.
 

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