Canon R6 bad/washed out colors?

m100 said:

MAC said:

RLight said:

retro076 said:

J A C S said:

retro076 said:

xuseralpha said:

dpfan32 said:

My outcome was selling the R6 and be happy with the original R and the old 6D

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is the r much different than the r6 in raw profiles (camera matching) for LR?

I've bought the RP now to test against the R8 (which is the same as the rest of the Rs I've heared) and if that doesn't please me, I give it back and buy the r instead (which is very desired by the way and more expensive than the r8). since my r8 is already damaged (sensor) and in repair I took out the 550d - oh what glory colors in raw with portrait style! and the rendering/sharpness with a cheap 15 year old 50mm f1.8 is easily on par with r8+85mm f2 in most cases. the r8 has a very weird way of rendering fine hair (it looks like compression artefacts) in sunlight, which the 550d doesn't have.

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I know what you mean about the hair, I just posted a sample on my other thread. I think Canon has baked NR in the raw files to make the sensor look better.

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What you see here is misfocus. The teeth are in focus, a small part of the hair, too.

m100 said:

I don't see this on my previous Canon bodies. If I PP my image in DPP or Lightroom, I can't get fine details to look good. Look at my daughter's face, it's all smeared detail. I have shot with camera bodies 10 years older than this that look better.

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JACS, thank you. I have been having one stupid user error after another and I keep thinking something is wrong with the camera, but yet everyone praises the sensor. I feel so much better now. I am using eye focus, am I doing something wrong ? Used this before in past bodies, but I know the new AF system is another animal.

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JACS will also tell you, the R8 doesn't have a prim and proper AA filter He hasn't said it yet, but he's thinking it... Now is one really needed? And is the R8 better without one? That's a tough one.

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@ JACS Any thoughts?

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I didn't mind the R8's fine detail rendering in my usage of it, in fact it's quite good. Most of it though is the fact it has a really good knack for nailing focus and metering, which sure, AF misses still happen, even on the R8.

You got the right idea though, 1/125, sharper shots at faster shutters. The R8 doesn't need IBIS, but without it? You should punch 1/125, my 2 cents.

Now f/2.8? The new DLO that comes with the RF lenses is quite good, don't be afraid to push f/1.8 on that nifty fifty, it works better this side of more advanced lens corrections. Now sure, you'll get more sharpness at f/2.8, absolutely. But, f/1.8, f/2, f/2.5, are more approachable on RF glass, assuming this is the RF flavor of the 50mm.

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nope, it sucks big time

Canon RF 50mm F1.8 STM Lens Image Quality (the-digital-picture.com)

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I use mine for bounce flashing with the R8 using an old 580EXII.

The RF 50mm STM on the R8 can get focus in low light at f1.8, stop down to f4 then bounce flash.

Starting at about f4 the RF50mm STM becomes very sharp.

The low weight of the RF 50mm STM makes the whole rig much easier to handle because I have the flash on a bracket on the left side way up.

Don't ask why because that is the way it has to be for me.

The low light focus and high ISO powers of the R8 make it a bounce flasher's dream even with Canon's cheapest lens and a flash that sells for about $75 used .

https://www.mpb.com/en-us/product/canon-speedlite-580ex-ii

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Got it F4 on your 50 makes sense for you

for me, if I need F4 - I use RF24-105 L

for me if I need 50 fov wide open I use 32 F1.4

MAC said:

Kameratrollet said:

R6 Standard profile vs 6D Standard profile. In camera JPEG.


R6


6D

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in these, the 6d is popping a tad more than the R6

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And from DPP4 and white balance set to 18% grey patch. The camera JPEG files had white balance set to flash.




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6D

Guys, this is one of the most discouraging threads I've ever read here on Canon EOS R Talk Forum. Before bashing Canon as a well reputed camera maker wouldn't it be better for the OP (and those who follow up in the same manner) to look into user error issues. There are hundred thousands or even millions of Canon (DSLR or MILC, doesn't matter) owners the world over who have never had such problems. Just thinking out loud!!!

Take care!

I am very unhappy with my new R6 Mark II colors, it is terrible! What happened to the good canon colors?! But it could be a software problem, something is off.



i‘ve read that new color profiles in lr are a problem, let‘s see where I get with that.

cfk10 said:

I am very unhappy with my new R6 Mark II colors, it is terrible! What happened to the good canon colors?! But it could be a software problem, something is off.

i‘ve read that new color profiles in lr are a problem, let‘s see where I get with that.

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The color profiles in LR for my R8 are pretty good. The colors are supposed to be the same as the R6II, so I am not sure what is going on. Can you be specific as to your issue?

LennyLevino said:

I can't seem to get decent jpgs out of the camera. I have set the jpeg processing to "Standard" in the menu. Every picture I take looks like it has blown out highlights, washed out colors and low saturation. Comparing them side by side to the RAWs in either MacOS's Preview or in Windows shows a huge difference (not in favour of the jpegs).

Comparing them to jpegs from the 6D is just a sad sight.

Anyone else have or had this problem? What can I do to fix it (if possible)? Considering selling the camera if there is no fix. Because even though I shoot RAW, I also want useable JPEG files.

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If shooting directly out of the box without altering your camera's default settings, the EOS R6 will seem a bit dull and lifeless with standard settings applied. You'll need to select a "Picture Style Characteristic" (see page 185 of the EOS R6 user manual). I personally recommend Fine Detail because this setting was optimized for Museum photography yet it renders very well for every other type of scene you might want. Colors are a little more lively, sharpness is not excessive and tonal range is good. Canon claims that "colors will be slightly vivid" with this setting. I find it's just about right and you can also alter these settings if you wish.
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* Use "Fine Detail" as your JPEG image processing setting.
(then possibly increase saturation by one stop to match my settings).
* Drop your exposure by a notch and leave it there to avoid overexposure (it's easier to recover from shadow than a blown-out highlight).
* Use a C-PL filter when shooting in direct sunlight if possible.
* Don't increase in-camera sharpening beyond what the Fine Detail setting offers you. (you can do that during post-processing if needed).
* If using Adobe Photoshop, play with the "Color Balance" settings if you need to tweak the colors in any direction.
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A lot of photographers, even professionals, now prefer to shoot in JPEG with cameras like this one because the image processor does a fantastic job. I occasionally shoot in RAW but the JPEGs are so good that I tend to just stick with the JPEGs. The 6D (DSLR) is a great camera, but mine has sat unused since buying the EOS R6. The noise control and image rendering is just great on the R6.
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These examples below aren't exactly ideal but they do show a similarity when the R6 and 6D JPEGS are compared side-by-side.
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EOS 6D + EF 100-400mmL II + EF 1.4x III Extender... shot in JPEG


EOS R6 + EF 100-400mmL II + EF 1.4x III Extender... shot in JPEG


EOS 6D + EF 100-400mmL II ... shot in JPEG


EOS R6 + EF 100-400mmL II ... shot in JPEG


EOS 6D + EF 100-400mmL II ... shot in JPEG


EOS R6 + EF 100-400mmL II ... shot in JPEG


EOS 6D + EF 85mm f/1.2L II USM lens .... shot in JPEG


EOS R6 + RF 85mm f/1.2L USM lens .... shot in JPEG



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Regards,
Marco Nero.

I solved it - lightroom classic adobe presets make the r6mark ii images a little washed out, skin color and for example lips look unpleasant. I opened the same images in dxo and there you have it, the „normal canon colors“.



when i switch to camera settings rather than adobe presets in the preset menu of lr classic it looks similiar to dxo, but the blacks crash more often and the shadows look in dxo are a little richer.

the color issues which i mentioned remain, but they are more often due to the auto wb settings, which worked better with my 5d mark iv and other canon cameras. In some cases images look perfect. I dont know if it‘s my camera, usually the auto wb nailed the colors in canon cameras, but the r6mark ii makes a lot of color issues, sometimes magenta, sometimes green.

cfk10 said:

I solved it - lightroom classic adobe presets make the r6mark ii images a little washed out, skin color and for example lips look unpleasant. I opened the same images in dxo and there you have it, the „normal canon colors“.

when i switch to camera settings rather than adobe presets in the preset menu of lr classic it looks similiar to dxo, but the blacks crash more often and the shadows look in dxo are a little richer.
the color issues which i mentioned remain, but they are more often due to the auto wb settings, which worked better with my 5d mark iv and other canon cameras. In some cases images look perfect. I dont know if it‘s my camera, usually the auto wb nailed the colors in canon cameras, but the r6mark ii makes a lot of color issues, sometimes magenta, sometimes green.

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+1 Really like DxO's rendering of my RAW's. Highly recommend PhotoLab!

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Really? Examples?

gscotten said:

cfk10 said:

I am very unhappy with my new R6 Mark II colors, it is terrible! What happened to the good canon colors?! But it could be a software problem, something is off.

i‘ve read that new color profiles in lr are a problem, let‘s see where I get with that.

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The color profiles in LR for my R8 are pretty good. The colors are supposed to be the same as the R6II, so I am not sure what is going on. Can you be specific as to your issue?

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no, they are utterly bad

smilerliu said:

The left eye seems in focus. Which part of the face doesn't have the details you are looking for? I can see the little bumps of the skin on the left cheek and the chin; the details look excellent to me there.

BTW I don't think you can get this level of details from a cheap 50mm 1.8 lens from most (if not all) of the 10 year old cameras, especially DSLRs.

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you can, my 50mm f1.8 bought with my eos 350d kicks ass any day

Marco Nero said:

LennyLevino said:

I can't seem to get decent jpgs out of the camera. I have set the jpeg processing to "Standard" in the menu. Every picture I take looks like it has blown out highlights, washed out colors and low saturation. Comparing them side by side to the RAWs in either MacOS's Preview or in Windows shows a huge difference (not in favour of the jpegs).

Comparing them to jpegs from the 6D is just a sad sight.

Anyone else have or had this problem? What can I do to fix it (if possible)? Considering selling the camera if there is no fix. Because even though I shoot RAW, I also want useable JPEG files.

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If shooting directly out of the box without altering your camera's default settings, the EOS R6 will seem a bit dull and lifeless with standard settings applied. You'll need to select a "Picture Style Characteristic" (see page 185 of the EOS R6 user manual). I personally recommend Fine Detail because this setting was optimized for Museum photography yet it renders very well for every other type of scene you might want. Colors are a little more lively, sharpness is not excessive and tonal range is good. Canon claims that "colors will be slightly vivid" with this setting. I find it's just about right and you can also alter these settings if you wish.
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* Use "Fine Detail" as your JPEG image processing setting.
(then possibly increase saturation by one stop to match my settings).
* Drop your exposure by a notch and leave it there to avoid overexposure (it's easier to recover from shadow than a blown-out highlight).
* Use a C-PL filter when shooting in direct sunlight if possible.
* Don't increase in-camera sharpening beyond what the Fine Detail setting offers you. (you can do that during post-processing if needed).
* If using Adobe Photoshop, play with the "Color Balance" settings if you need to tweak the colors in any direction.
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A lot of photographers, even professionals, now prefer to shoot in JPEG with cameras like this one because the image processor does a fantastic job. I occasionally shoot in RAW but the JPEGs are so good that I tend to just stick with the JPEGs. The 6D (DSLR) is a great camera, but mine has sat unused since buying the EOS R6. The noise control and image rendering is just great on the R6.
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These examples below aren't exactly ideal but they do show a similarity when the R6 and 6D JPEGS are compared side-by-side.
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EOS 6D + EF 100-400mmL II + EF 1.4x III Extender... shot in JPEG


EOS R6 + EF 100-400mmL II + EF 1.4x III Extender... shot in JPEG


EOS 6D + EF 100-400mmL II ... shot in JPEG


EOS R6 + EF 100-400mmL II ... shot in JPEG


EOS 6D + EF 100-400mmL II ... shot in JPEG


EOS R6 + EF 100-400mmL II ... shot in JPEG


EOS 6D + EF 85mm f/1.2L II USM lens .... shot in JPEG


EOS R6 + RF 85mm f/1.2L USM lens .... shot in JPEG

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a good example of why I don‘t like the new color philosophy also each one of those has wb issues, false unnatural colors and color casts

xuseralpha said:

gscotten said:

cfk10 said:

I am very unhappy with my new R6 Mark II colors, it is terrible! What happened to the good canon colors?! But it could be a software problem, something is off.

i‘ve read that new color profiles in lr are a problem, let‘s see where I get with that.

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The color profiles in LR for my R8 are pretty good. The colors are supposed to be the same as the R6II, so I am not sure what is going on. Can you be specific as to your issue?

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no, they are utterly bad

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I have R8 and can say they are pretty good. They are different from the camera rendering but not necessarily bad. I'm happy with the color I get at the end.

xuseralpha said:

Marco Nero said:

LennyLevino said:

I can't seem to get decent jpgs out of the camera. I have set the jpeg processing to "Standard" in the menu. Every picture I take looks like it has blown out highlights, washed out colors and low saturation. Comparing them side by side to the RAWs in either MacOS's Preview or in Windows shows a huge difference (not in favour of the jpegs).

Comparing them to jpegs from the 6D is just a sad sight.

Anyone else have or had this problem? What can I do to fix it (if possible)? Considering selling the camera if there is no fix. Because even though I shoot RAW, I also want useable JPEG files.

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If shooting directly out of the box without altering your camera's default settings, the EOS R6 will seem a bit dull and lifeless with standard settings applied. You'll need to select a "Picture Style Characteristic" (see page 185 of the EOS R6 user manual). I personally recommend Fine Detail because this setting was optimized for Museum photography yet it renders very well for every other type of scene you might want. Colors are a little more lively, sharpness is not excessive and tonal range is good. Canon claims that "colors will be slightly vivid" with this setting. I find it's just about right and you can also alter these settings if you wish.
.

* Use "Fine Detail" as your JPEG image processing setting.
(then possibly increase saturation by one stop to match my settings).
* Drop your exposure by a notch and leave it there to avoid overexposure (it's easier to recover from shadow than a blown-out highlight).
* Use a C-PL filter when shooting in direct sunlight if possible.
* Don't increase in-camera sharpening beyond what the Fine Detail setting offers you. (you can do that during post-processing if needed).
* If using Adobe Photoshop, play with the "Color Balance" settings if you need to tweak the colors in any direction.
.
A lot of photographers, even professionals, now prefer to shoot in JPEG with cameras like this one because the image processor does a fantastic job. I occasionally shoot in RAW but the JPEGs are so good that I tend to just stick with the JPEGs. The 6D (DSLR) is a great camera, but mine has sat unused since buying the EOS R6. The noise control and image rendering is just great on the R6.
.
These examples below aren't exactly ideal but they do show a similarity when the R6 and 6D JPEGS are compared side-by-side.
.


EOS 6D + EF 100-400mmL II + EF 1.4x III Extender... shot in JPEG


EOS R6 + EF 100-400mmL II + EF 1.4x III Extender... shot in JPEG


EOS 6D + EF 100-400mmL II ... shot in JPEG


EOS R6 + EF 100-400mmL II ... shot in JPEG


EOS 6D + EF 100-400mmL II ... shot in JPEG


EOS R6 + EF 100-400mmL II ... shot in JPEG


EOS 6D + EF 85mm f/1.2L II USM lens .... shot in JPEG


EOS R6 + RF 85mm f/1.2L USM lens .... shot in JPEG

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a good example of why I don‘t like the new color philosophy also each one of those has wb issues, false unnatural colors and color casts

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These examples are Marcos interpretation of the scenes and has nothing to do with “ the new colour philosophy” whatever that is .

xuseralpha said:

a good example of why I don‘t like the new color philosophy also each one of those has wb issues, false unnatural colors and color casts

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In your opinion which camera(s) are spot on for color?

I don't know why others are still responding to the OP's post. He already replied with his solution but everyone ignored it. See below:

LennyLevino said:

I'm here.

The outcome was that I eventually sold the R6. I'm now shooting with a Sony A7C2 and a Nikon Z5. Both cameras have great color.

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