M4/3 camera for CONTENT CREATORS

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We've just seen Panasonic launch their S9 camera, which is being marketed as a camera for Content Creation, although the design and new pancake lens suggests they may be attempting to appeal to street shooters too.

From the S9 press release:

Panasonic Launches New LUMIX S9 Compact Full-Frame Mirrorless Camera, Ushering In A New Era for Seamless Content Creation

Their previous camera that was marketed for Content Creation was the G100.

From the G100 press release:

Panasonic Launches the LUMIX G100, its Newest Mirrorless Camera for Vlogging and Creative Video Content

It's interesting that Panasonic has backed off of using the word 'vlogging' when describing the S9. It appears to have been a marketing faux par as far as the G100 is concerned, which saw it get readily trashed by, wait for it, Content Creators! But that makes me wonder what Panasonic are thinking because the S9 has two key features, which makes it qualify as a good camera for vlogging; IBIS and Active I.S. Active I.S. is apparently designed to iron out additional wobbles caused by walking. IBIS combined with Active I.S. turns in a respectable performance from what I've seen, which anyone doing walk and talk content is going to appreciate. Perhaps not quite in the same league as the DJI Pocket 3 but it doesn't have to be; it just has to be good enough, which it appears to be unlike the G100.

The S9 like the G100 comes in a small and light package (in full frame terms), which can be appealing to solo content creators and I assume Panasonic will also introduce some small AF prime lenses to match with it at some point. But then Panasonic have not included the OZO Audio system, which debuted on the G100, instead opting for a not so good on-board mic that picks up a ton of background noise. I don't see any reason not to include the OZO system if they're promoting it as compact and light, given that there's still the option for an external mic for those who don't mind the potential additional bulk of an extra accessory.

The S9 offers only 15 minutes of 4k footage, likely in order to prevent overheating, but an MFT version with a similar sized body should be able to offer longer 4k recording times, which could count as a differentiating advantage. Another potential advantage of an MFT version is that there's already compact AF prime lenses available.

If Panasonic would make an MFT camera targeting Content Creators with the important features of the S9, particularly IBIS, Active I.S. and PDAF, and include the OZO audio system for people that want to maintain a small foot print, I think they will have a good camera for content creation. Particularly for solo creators doing walk and talk footage.

The thing Panasonic needs to realise is that a camera they say is targeting Content Creators will be reviewed by Content Creators, so it's not wise to make dumb omissions if they want to minimise negative feedback.

So would MTF users here that also shoot video welcome some kind of MFT version of the S9?
 
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I think the S9 is much closer to its aimed position than the G100 ever was, OZO is cool, nokia are an amazing company, but imo it was just a gimmick, as most will add a wireless mic now, so I dont really see that as an omission, paying less licensing fee cant hurt either.

I think its a pretty solid effort!
 
> I think the S9 is much closer to its aimed position

I agree, though they don't currently have the lenses to make that work.

Thom Hogan suggests some from Sigma as being suitable (17mm f4, 20mm f2, 35mm f2, 50mm f2, 65mm f2). From that list the 17m f4 doesn't appear to offer any gain in shooting envelope over the 9mm f1.7 on m4/3.

See https://sansmirror.com/newsviews-2/compact-gets-a-new-contende.html
 
I think the S9 is much closer to its aimed position than the G100 ever was, OZO is cool, nokia are an amazing company, but imo it was just a gimmick, as most will add a wireless mic now, so I dont really see that as an omission, paying less licensing fee cant hurt either.

I think its a pretty solid effort!
I also don't think not having the OZO audio is a big deal, however because it can isolate sound it doesn't necessitate an external mic to achieve that. It can be useful for walk and talk shooting and is something reviewers can add to their list of features when reeling them off!
 
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buzzwords confuse things - "Vlogging" maybe a silly made up word but it is what it is - Video-Logging - and the G100 however nice as cute stills camera was lousy as the Video tool on the move it was marketed to be, a lack of IBIS, lack of PDAF etc kinda killed that , the S9 has Both - I doubt long 4K recording is the most important consideration for social media producers .

whereas "Content Creation" could mean anything depending on where the content is targeted - On Instagram, Stills are in the main - Facebook is mixed and TikTok is video only, Why people use the term "Content creator" to mean video is totally beyond me, heck it could mean Text even. so a perfect content creator cam for all content (Bar text of course) , I`d choose something more complete across the board like the G9-II or a Sony A6700 , though neither would be much fun on a handle grip but if your "content" is 90% Video in the "vlogging" camp then the S9 ought to be great - when they get the new 18-40 lens sorted anyway .

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buzzwords confuse things - "Vlogging" maybe a silly made up word but it is what it is - Video-Logging - and the G100 however nice as cute stills camera was lousy as the Video tool on the move it was marketed to be, a lack of IBIS, lack of PDAF etc kinda killed that , the S9 has Both - I doubt long 4K recording is the most important consideration for social media producers .
Yeah, the G100 really missed the mark. As far as a 4k shooting limit is concerned I think it depends on the user's preferred method of shooting if they shoot in 4k. It can get quite frustrating if the camera keeps cutting out in the middle of someone's flow. Some people prefer to keep the camera rolling and edit out the mistakes and gaps in post.
whereas "Content Creation" could mean anything depending on where the content is targeted - On Instagram, Stills are in the main - Facebook is mixed and TikTok is video only, Why people use the term "Content creator" to mean video is totally beyond me, heck it could mean Text even. so a perfect content creator cam for all content (Bar text of course) ,
Panasonic seems to now prefer to say their new camera is for Content Creation rather than vlogging. In fact I've just realised I think I've mixed up the two terms, I should say Content Creation in my title. My bad.
I`d choose something more complete across the board like the G9-II or a Sony A6700 , though neither would be much fun on a handle grip but if your "content" is 90% Video in the "vlogging" camp then the S9 ought to be great - when they get the new 18-40 lens sorted anyway .
I think a camera to replace the lack lustre G100 'vlogging' camera done properly this time would be nice, particularly for people who are already using the system and have lenses.
 
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Two excellent and very small Sigma Contemporary lenses missing from that list are the 24mm f3.5 and 45mm f2.8. Both would be awesome on the S9 and they have aperture rings.
 
Two excellent and very small Sigma Contemporary lenses missing from that list are the 24mm f3.5 and 45mm f2.8. Both would be awesome on the S9 and they have aperture rings.
My gosh yes!

I was checking those on a sigma fp on camerasize, just to get an idea, those two the 24 and 45 were the ones I liked the look of most (size wise), style and build is good too.
 
> I think the S9 is much closer to its aimed position

I agree, though they don't currently have the lenses to make that work.

Thom Hogan suggests some from Sigma as being suitable (17mm f4, 20mm f2, 35mm f2, 50mm f2, 65mm f2). From that list the 17m f4 doesn't appear to offer any gain in shooting envelope over the 9mm f1.7 on m4/3.

See https://sansmirror.com/newsviews-2/compact-gets-a-new-contende.html
I don't know much about those lenses but I think the design aesthetic will complement the S9.
 
Don't the "vlogers" see themselves as "content creators" ?

I think that Pany is appealing to that whole segement, regardless of labels; the design is centered on the "Video to Web" work flow.
 
> I think the S9 is much closer to its aimed position

I agree, though they don't currently have the lenses to make that work.

Thom Hogan suggests some from Sigma as being suitable (17mm f4, 20mm f2, 35mm f2, 50mm f2, 65mm f2). From that list the 17m f4 doesn't appear to offer any gain in shooting envelope over the 9mm f1.7 on m4/3.

See https://sansmirror.com/newsviews-2/compact-gets-a-new-contende.html
I think thats the only down point people have really stopped on for any length of time tbh, with good reason imo.

Thats a good list, like Pete mentions the 24mm and 45mm are also available (and would probably be my choice for small and light).

I'd much prefer an mft version so I could mount the 14mm f/2.5 etc XD

I would even think of moving to continuous lighting instead of using flash!

For pro vs cons overall this camera sit pretty well with me, especially since it looks to be hitting it target pretty well.

Fingers crossed for sales (and an mft version) :D
 
In addition to those, Panasonic are offering substantial discounts on some lenses if bought with the S9 - 35mm f1.8, 50mm f1.8 and 85mm f1.8. These lenses are a bit bigger than the SIgma f2 offerings, but the discount brings them under half the price.

Mark
 
Don't the "vlogers" see themselves as "content creators" ?

I think that Pany is appealing to that whole segement, regardless of labels; the design is centered on the "Video to Web" work flow.
Yeah, that's right. I think Panasonic may have chosen to use an umbrella term so reviewers are less likely to criticise the specs like they did with the G100. Vlogging refers to a very specific use case.
 
I am a bit tempted by it as an addition to my current GX9 based kit, with the f2 or f1.8 lenses. The slower lenses don't offer much (if any) extra over what I get with my existing m4/3 lenses. E.g. the Sigma 24mm f3.5 is essentially equivalent to my Olympus 12mm f2.

Mark
 
In addition to those, Panasonic are offering substantial discounts on some lenses if bought with the S9 - 35mm f1.8, 50mm f1.8 and 85mm f1.8. These lenses are a bit bigger than the SIgma f2 offerings, but the discount brings them under half the price.

Mark
That sounds like a great deal.
 
> I think the S9 is much closer to its aimed position

I agree, though they don't currently have the lenses to make that work.

Thom Hogan suggests some from Sigma as being suitable (17mm f4, 20mm f2, 35mm f2, 50mm f2, 65mm f2). From that list the 17m f4 doesn't appear to offer any gain in shooting envelope over the 9mm f1.7 on m4/3.

See https://sansmirror.com/newsviews-2/compact-gets-a-new-contende.html
I don't know much about those lenses but I think the design aesthetic will complement the S9.
I have the i-35/2. They are chunky lenses with a lot if metal, including the hood. Despite being well made and optically pretty decent, they are not expensive.

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In addition to those, Panasonic are offering substantial discounts on some lenses if bought with the S9 - 35mm f1.8, 50mm f1.8 and 85mm f1.8. These lenses are a bit bigger than the SIgma f2 offerings, but the discount brings them under half the price.

Mark
I expect to see direct incentives on the S9 rather quickly. Telling that the Leica D-Lux 8 (also launched this week) already climbed to the top 10 on B&H best seller list whereas the S9 made a brief appearance in the top 30 but has quickly fallen to page 3. Panasonic needs to get in front of this quickly. Even the hard core Lumix promoters seem to struggle with recommending this.
 
> I think the S9 is much closer to its aimed position

I agree, though they don't currently have the lenses to make that work.

Thom Hogan suggests some from Sigma as being suitable (17mm f4, 20mm f2, 35mm f2, 50mm f2, 65mm f2). From that list the 17m f4 doesn't appear to offer any gain in shooting envelope over the 9mm f1.7 on m4/3.

See https://sansmirror.com/newsviews-2/compact-gets-a-new-contende.html
I don't know much about those lenses but I think the design aesthetic will complement the S9.
I have the i-35/2. They are chunky lenses with a lot if metal, including the hood. Despite being well made and optically pretty decent, they are not expensive.
Paired with the S9 they sound like they would make a nice setup. That could make the case for a m4/3 version of the S9 less compelling to potential buyers, depending on the price difference of course.
 
In addition to those, Panasonic are offering substantial discounts on some lenses if bought with the S9 - 35mm f1.8, 50mm f1.8 and 85mm f1.8. These lenses are a bit bigger than the SIgma f2 offerings, but the discount brings them under half the price.

Mark
I expect to see direct incentives on the S9 rather quickly. Telling that the Leica D-Lux 8 (also launched this week) already climbed to the top 10 on B&H best seller list whereas the S9 made a brief appearance in the top 30 but has quickly fallen to page 3. Panasonic needs to get in front of this quickly. Even the hard core Lumix promoters seem to struggle with recommending this.
That's interesting. What aspects of the S9 make Lumix promoters struggle to recommend it?
 

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